Horror Movie Podcast Ep. 017: Pudgy Godzilla, Blood Glacier and Eating Bananas While Crying

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Rrrarrrrr! It’s GODZILLA time on this Frankensteinian episode of HORROR MOVIE PODCAST, so prepare for an epic battle … Not a battle between Mothra and Godzilla, but a tag-team battle between Wolfman Josh and Dr. Shock — versus — Jay of the Dead and guest host One Sick Puppy from the Dead as Hell Horror Podcast. We also bring you a review of another 2014 film called “Blood Glacier,” and much more. Join us!

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SHOW NOTES:
I. Introduction
— Welcome guest host One Sick Puppy
— Lizzie Borden transcripts
— Revisiting our debate on “The Sacrament,” marketing and trailers

II. Monsters: Dark Continent trailer – watch it here

III. Impromptu Mini Review: MONSTERS (2010)
Jay of the Dead = 4 ( Avoid )
Wolfman Josh = 8 ( Buy it! )
Dr. Shock = 7 ( Rental )

IV. Feature Review: GODZILLA (2014)
Jay of the Dead = 4.5 ( Low-priority Rental )
Wolfman Josh = 7 ( Theater / Rental )
Dr. Shock = 7 ( Theater / Rental )
One Sick Puppy = 5 ( Rental )

V. Review: BLOOD GLACIER (2014)
Jay of the Dead = 4 ( Avoid )
Wolfman Josh = 5.5 ( Rental )

VI. Review: FROSTBITTEN (2006)
Jay of the Dead = 5 ( Low-priority Rental )
Wolfman Josh = 5 ( Rental )

VII. Review: BLACULA (1972)
Dr. Shock = 7.5 ( Rental )

VIII. Review: AMERICAN SCARY (2006)
Dr. Shock = 8 ( Rental )

IX. Miscellany
— Leading listeners to buy movies they don’t like
— Rosemary’s Baby TV mini series
— Halloween: The Complete Collection Blu-rays

X. Review: ALBINO FARM (2009)
Jay of the Dead = 4 ( Rental )

XI. Review: JAWS 2 (1978)
Dr. Shock = 6 ( Rental )
Jay of the Dead = 5.5 ( Rental )

XII. Review: GUTTERBALLS (2008) – dedicated to Ron Martin
Jay of the Dead = 8.5 ( Will not recommend to anyone, but would be in the “Buy it!” range for me, if not so explicit )

VI. Listener Feedback and Announcements
— iTunes review from Anthon01 (Thank you!)
— iTunes review from SodaPopRocker (Thank you!)
— iTunes review from Moonlight Shogun — and her husband (Thank you!)
— And thanks to our Ep. 016 commentators: David, Dark Passenger, The Dude, GerdyWerdy, His Dinner’s In the Oven, Juan, Nisu Shah, One Sick Puppy, Tony Is On Fire
— And thanks to our e-mailers: Sean, Holly, William and Levi

VII. Wrap-Up:

NEXT ON HMP — IN TWO WEEKS: Releasing on Friday, June 6, 2014 — Episode 018. Definitely don’t miss it!

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86 thoughts on “Horror Movie Podcast Ep. 017: Pudgy Godzilla, Blood Glacier and Eating Bananas While Crying

  1. Sweet, this episode’s up earlier than I expected!

    I’m about 25 minutes in and I’m sorry Jay but I’ve got to side with Dr. Shock and Josh in the “Monsters” discussion. I think your point that if Gareth Edwards only had a low budget then he shouldn’t have tackled such a large scale concept is pretty unfair. In fact, if anything I’d say that he should be given extra points for finding a way to tackle such a large concept on such a small budget. I think that kind of ingenuity and ambition has led to some really great movies in the past. I also don’t think it makes much sense to restrict all movies dealing with monsters by suggesting they should be tailored to our specific expectations, surely there’s as much a place for intimate human dramas set against horror or sci-fi backdrops as there is any other kind of movie?

    Finally I also don’t think it’s fair to judge the movie by its title. There’s a 2003 movie about serial killer Aileen Wuornos entitled “Monster”, would you automatically give that a low rating due to it’s lack of Beastly Freaks? Or how about “Star Wars”? As far as I remember that movie didn’t actually chronicle a conflict between several spheres of incandescent gas. That could lend a whole new meaning to a rating of zero stars!

    Sorry to give you a hard time though Jay. Just like everyone else on the show, I always appreciate your opinions whether I agree with them or not.

    And thanks for the episode. It’s great to have Dr. Shock and One Sick Puppy back this week!

    • Great comment, David. If I ever put together a debate team, I’d want you on it. For your consideration, Sir:

      Yes, many great filmmakers and great films have come as a result of having to get creative on a limited budget. That’s true. But I’ve read a number of screenwriting books, and heard interviews with writers and directors who advise that a budding filmmaker should tell a story that he or she can tell successfully. Sure — there’s a lot of high praise and glory that comes when someone pulls it off — like Duncan Jones’s “Moon,” for example. But I wonder how many potentially great filmmakers have fallen into obscurity because they were too ambitious in their early projects and lost their chance.

      But hey — who am I to judge ambitious indie directors? Gareth Edwards just got tapped to direct “Star Wars VII,” much to my chagrin, so his ambitious trajectory has apparently paid off for him. … I’m just worried he’s going to ruin our next “Star Wars” movie…

      And just for the record, my two top priorities in any film are: 1. Premise 2. Story. So, I’m all about having an intimate human drama within my monster movies. That’s why “28 Days Later…” is in my Top 10. “Godzilla” just has a very weak human drama (and an even weaker lead in Aaron Taylor-Johnson).

      To your next point: What percentage of art works (books, paintings, films, etc.) have a title that reflect what the artwork is? Not just many, I’d even say most do. So, it’s not unreasonable or unusual to look to a work’s title as a significant descriptor.

      I actually intended to use “Monster” (2003) as an example during the show. That film’s title is perfect because it delivers exactly what it suggests: Aileen (Charlize Theron) really is a monster!

      Some titles state exactly what the movie is: “Waterworld,” “Sharknado.” Some titles have double meanings, relating to the film’s content: “The Battery,” “Independence Day.” And some titles are terrible descriptors: “Cloverfield,” “Jan-Gel: The Beast From the East.”

      But for “Monsters” (and for that matter, “Godzilla”), it seems apparent that the titles suggest we are going to be treated to monsters. Maybe I need to look for films titled “Mucho Monsters!” And speaking of “Star Wars” again, that title works great because it depicts “a war among the stars.”

      Anyway, sorry I was so long-winded, but you left an awesome comment, and I had a blast responding to it. Thanks for writing!

      Jay of the Dead

      • Jay,

        I’m waiting until my next day off to read the entirety of your response above, when I can parcel out about 6-7 hours. However, I did want to briefly (a word you might be unfamiliar with… just kidding!) address one comment you made at the very top:

        ” writers and directors… advise that a budding filmmaker should tell a story that he or she can tell successfully”

        The point we were making with regards to Gareth Edwards and MONSTERS is that this is exactly what he did!

      • Jay, thanks for responding so swiftly and with such an intelligent and challenging rebuttal. I’m afraid I’m on my second porter of the night so you’ll have to forgive me if my thoughts come across as a little hazy!

        Firstly, you make a very good point about over-ambition being potentially damaging to the output and/or career of a fledgling filmmaker, however it’s partly that level of risk that I think is worthy of applause (which isn’t to suggest that taking such a risk should excuse crappy filmmaking). Your point that “budding filmmakers should tell a story that he or she can tell successfully” is certainly one I agree with, though the successful telling of a story is to an extent subjective. With regards to “Monsters” it could be argued that Gareth Edwards found a way to successfully explore a large concept by telling a comparatively small story. I think it would have been over-ambitious if he had tried to make the titular monsters a bigger part of that story on such a small budget. You could say that it’s his restraint that allowed him to successfully tell a story that in more ambitious (but equally financially handicapped) hands might have unravelled entirely. Of course I acknowledge that you might not consider “Monsters” a successfully told story, and if that’s the case, then this last paragraph is pretty redundant!

        Now, as your comments about the majority of artworks having titles representative of their content: This is a good point and is definitely true most of the time but it’s still easy to come up with important examples where the title is only related to the content in a tenuous or abstract way, be they classic works of literature (Sound and the Fury, Catcher in the Rye, Lord of the Flies) or critically acclaimed films (One Flew Over the Cuckoo’s Nest, Brazil, The Deer Hunter). Of course it’s rare for a title to be completely irrelevant to the work and the ones listed above all do apply to a thematic device or level of subtext present in each story but none of these titles could be considered as obviously representative of the content as a whole.

        Now, of course I agree with you that Aileen Wuornos is indeed a “Monster” and therefore the title is perfect and absolutely relevant to the content of the film. That said the movie is a world away from what most peoples preconceived idea of a “monster movie” would be. Surely this illustrates just how varied the connotations or applications of the word “Monster” can be? And with such varied content associated with that single word isn’t it only logical that to judge a film based on your personal semantic preconceptions is indeed unfair?

        As for my Star Wars comment; I was just playing a particularly pedantic game of devils advocate. (and also, surely Gareth Edwards can’t do any worse of a job than George Lucas has in recent years!)

        At the end of the day though, you make some great points Jay and I really appreciate you elaborating on your stance with these issues. I hope it doesn’t seem like I’m picking on you, you have my utmost respect and it’s just fun to debate this stuff with you.

        Thanks again for the wonderful response and excellent podcast.

        – David

      • Yes, Jason, indie filmmakers would be wise to make films that they can execute within their budget. Garreth Edwards does just that. And that is precisely why he was snatched up for Godzilla and Star Wars–which by the way is a little light on the “wars” portion, which don’t show up until the end. And in the tradition of Star Wars, Monsters has monsters. And they don’t look “indie,” they look great. Garreth Edwards seems to execute exactly what he hopes to in that film. And judging by Godzilla, I assume he wouldn’t have told the story any differently with a $30 million budget. He has some growing to do, but reigning in a film on the scale of Godzilla is a difficult task for a filmmaker of any experience level (see Michael Bay’s Transformers films), which makes it all the more impressive that Edwards tamed the $160 million beast (he’s more than doubled that in returns, by the way) after coming off a $500 thousand indie as a no name director. I’ve never said the film is without its problems–it’s got some big ones–but I’m impressed and encouraged by Edwards’ work. And yes, Mucho Monsters sounds right up your alley.

        • I would have argued with you Jay, but David already did a great job, and you’re unmovable in your opinion making (which is fair), so it would be pointless to continue arguing the same things over and over. I’m just letting you know that once more, we seem to agree to disagree haha. Great show by the way. I love all the “fighting”. More of that please! :)

  2. Here are a few critics that actually wanted to see the guy the movie was named after (besides Jay and myself). I moved my favorite one to the top.

    “I say that because someone’s clearly lost sight of the obvious when the no-name monsters get more screen time in Godzilla than the main attraction. Forgotten is the primary reason we show up in such massive numbers — we actually want to see the big guy go stomping and tromping through cities, crunching skyscrapers like soda cans, breathing fire and sending the fearful fleeing.” —Betsy Sharkey, L.A. Times

    “Godzilla could use a whole lot more Godzilla.” —Tom Long, Detroit News

    “Turns out you miss the monster when he’s not around.” —Bill Goondykoontz, Arizona Central

    “The reptilian wrecker’s screech-roar still resonates, too, but as in the 1960s, he has no beef with humanity. He should: He ends up a supporting player in his own, underwhelming movie.” —Joe Neumaier, New York Daily News

    “Godzilla is in what passes for his ‘good’ mode here because there are a couple of other creatures on the scene even meaner than him, and they get way more screen time than the big guy. So much, in fact, that Godzilla is practically a supporting character in his own movie.” —Soren Andersen, Seattle Times

    “If you’re thinking, gee, I don’t see the word ‘Godzilla’ anywhere in the above paragraph, well, he isn’t around yet. Edwards has made The Third Man of monster movies.” —Joe Gross, Austin 360

    “Godzilla – despite having his name on the poster – almost feels like a supporting character.” —Matt Maytum, Total Film

    “We have suspected as much all along, but Godzilla is in no hurry to show us the monsters.” —A.O. Scott, New York Times

    “Godzilla has the budget, but it maintains commitment to the notion that the unseen is more impressive than the seen: Godzilla doesn’t appear until over halfway into the film (after one nicely executed bait-and-switch), and really doesn’t take center stage until the very end.” —Ian Buckwalter, NPR

    “Patience is a virtue, and you’ll need lots of it during the first half of Godzilla, which threatens to be a lizardly variant of Waiting for Godot.” —Joe Morgenstern, The Wall Street Journal

    “In fact, from his place behind the camera, Edwards seems to take sadistic pleasure in obscuring his creatures for much of the film’s running time.” —Jason Buchanan, TV Guide

    “Probably the strangest thing about Godzilla is how long it takes for the big guy to show up and, even then, how little screen time he gets.” —Richard Roeper, Chicago Sun-Times

    “It’s like having sex withheld.” —Randy Shulman, Metro Weekly

    “As if he were an elderly stage star being deferentially treated, the title character barely shows up until the second act.” —Todd McCarthy, The Hollywood Reporter

    “And he gets little screen time. Godzilla isn’t even the main monster: he is the referee, rival or enabler — we won’t say which — to a pair of other creatures.” —Richard Corliss, Time

    “So while many people might want to go to the cinema to see Godzilla, what they get instead is a load of homosapiens desperately trying to put a human face on the drama.” —Paul MacInnes, The Guardian

    “While it does indeed take close to an hour for the prehistoric being to get his first full-on, gangway-world-get-off-of-my-runway close-up, director Gareth Edwards lays the expository groundwork nicely and hands the audience what it craves in the second half.” —Michael Phillips, Chicago Tribune

    “Is it too much to ask that a ‘Godzilla’ movie feature more Godzilla than, say, ‘Rosencrantz and Guildenstern Are Dead’ features Hamlet? Sixty years after debuting on the big screen, Godzilla is still a global superstar; if Americans are going to build big-budget movies around him, they could at least give this legend more screen time. Esther Williams, after all, could be counted on to hit the pool within the first 10 minutes.” —Alonso Duralde, The Wrap

    • One Sick Puppy,
      Very impressive… Way to cite the community of critics! I guarantee you Wolfman Josh will answer back with a comparably huge list with an opposite opinion to support his arguments… That’s just the way Josh is, and it’s annoying. ha ha
      JOTD

      • OSP – You may think JOTD is complimenting your over-compensation above, but let’s break it down … It seems that Jason is either lauding you for something he apparently despises in me OR he is calling YOU annoying, in a roundabout way. Hmmm …

          • That was the first option that I posited above, dummy. I just didn’t explain the ramifications of choosing that option. They are as follows: That is either a personal attack against me OR that makes you a hypocrite OR that makes you mentally insane. I suppose those could be “AND/OR” as none of those are necessarily mutually exclusive.

    • Interesting. I;m glad you found critics who agree with you. I guess it somehow validates your opinion. Question: would you still hold fast if you stood alone?

      Seeing as Godzilla currently has a 73% approval rating on Rottentomatoes, I’m sure I could come up with just as many comments supporting mine and Josh’s point of view.

      But, really, why bother? I prefer to stand on my own :)

      • You’re on particularly acerbic form today Dr. Shock!

        As for me I’m going to be waiting for “Godzilla” to make his appearance on DVD. Then it’ll be interesting to see which side I come down on.

        P.S. It was cool to hear that you’re a fan of “Midnight Cowboy” Doc! That’s definitely up there in my top ten favourite films of all time.

        • David: Yes, I’m definitely a big fan of MIDNIGHT COWBOY. There was a time when I ranked it in my top-5 (it’s still in my top 20)

          And after re-reading my comments above, I feel they may have come across much more mean-spirited than they were intended.

          For years, I’ve been teasing Jay about the wordiness of some of his e-mails and messages. It’s been a running joke between the two of us for at least that long, but this is the first time I’ve poked fun at him in a public forum (at least I THINK it is).

          And many of the quotes One Sick Puppy listed above do, indeed, echo the sentiments expressed by himself and Jay during the podcast, so I definitely understand why he decided to use them.

          I assure you (and everyone else) that my comments above were intended to be humorous, and not mean-spirited.

          For months, everyone on this board has been professional and polite. I’d hate to be considered the first “Troll” !!

          • I think you’ve a long way to go before you could be considered a “Troll” Doc. Your comments didn’t come across as anything other than good natured banter to me.

            I don’t think the civility of the comments section is threatened which is good news as it means you guys can save the fisticuffs for the next episode!

      • It’s also worth noting that the poll on this site is in favor of this new Godzilla movie. The people have spoken.

      • To my mind, the fact that I agreed with Jay before I looked up opinions on the web indicates that I would stand alone- or at least with one guy.

        The point of listing the critics (which were all in one article, and took almost no work to find) was to prove that the observation was not as absurd as the opposition made it out to be, not to prove that I was right.

      • Perfectly put, Doc. My reply would have been much more base: “Who Cares?”

        Showing that others agree with you doesn’t prove that you (or they) are correct.

        Also, it’s okay to disagree. That’s what keeps things interesting around here.

        • Josh — I care. And if you’re all for dismissing (or ignoring) critical opinions, then how does that harmonize with your well-worn belief in film criticism and the importance of discussing the cinema?

          True — we don’t bend our own beliefs to match a prevalent sentiment among other critics, but I think it’s worth noting where you’re floating in the tide of opinions. Hey, that rhymed!

          JOTD

          • But, as you so obviously pointed out, I could compile a list of reviews just as long stating the opposite (if I was as annoying as you think I am and if I wanted to waste my afternoon). And what would that prove? Nothing. You know that. Why? Because this doesn’t represent the tide of opinion. These pull quotes are being presented here as argumentative evidence. That’s a different thing than appreciating the subjective art of film criticism. You’re only going to to change my mind by presenting new ideas, not by talking more loudly (or with more voices) about the same lazy critique. The majority of these quotes simply restate the criticism, but few (to none) say anything convincing about why it is problem. This flurry of out-of-context pull quotes is not interesting to me … and so it doesn’t challenge my perceptions of the film … and so I don’t care.

    • There’s only one I agree with in the list that I’ve read…ehhh…oh, it’d be that one about “it’s like having sex withheld.”

      Well, I know all about that. But I’m patient. I don’t need to have all the WHAM BAM craziness right up front. You gotta build to that.

      And it takes time.

  3. Hey Jay, don’t know if I missed you say it (or I didn’t leave it in Itunes review) but you can add Buffalo, NY to the list

    and I think I am definitly going to be seeking out gutterballs… I will just make sure I watch it alone

  4. So far great show (I’m about halfway through the episode). So glad to hear doc give Blacula the cred it deserves! It’s one of my favorite 70s vampire flicks (and makes a great double feature with count yorga– if the mood strikes).
    Blacula scared the crud out of me when I was a kid and I think it’s ridiculously rewatchable– which is why I own it on both VHS and DVD. I think you’re right. The name doesn’t invite people to take it seriously. Also some of the cover art which has a cartoon stake going through William Marshall’s heart looks kinda dumb (didn’t stop me from hanging the poster in my office, though).

    Anyway, don’t set your sights too high for scream, Blacula, scream. It’s not terrible, but there’s probably a reason this wasn’t a trilogy. I’m a big fan of the blaxploitation era of horror… But this is by far the best of them (although objectively, most of them are kinda bad… I’m looking at you Blackenstien). I’m interested in knowing if you’ve ever seen Abby? I’ve had trouble tracking it down, but always wondered how good it was. William Marshall is in that too, and plays the priest in what sounds like an exorcist ripoff– er, homage.

    Also, haven’t seen Godzilla yet. But listening to your discussion, I was wondering if anyone has seen Godzilla final wars. It’s silly (as most Godzilla films are want to be) but It has a pretty awesome seen where the rubber Godzilla actually fights the 98 cgi version of Godzilla.

    Anyway going to go finish listening! Great cast so far and thanks for everything!

    Hdiito

  5. Jay, I have a question for you regarding Gutterballs:

    Your review of this movie really piqued my interest but as I’ve stated before I often have trouble with more recent Slashers because of the awful characters. Would you say that Gutterballs suffers from this problem? Is every character a reprehensible scumbag or are there at least one or two decent individuals that you can root for?

    Apologies if you touched upon this in your review and I missed it.

    Also, I can relate to your predisposition for hanging out in bowling alleys. I’ll go bowling with friends once in a while but I can’t say it’s a passtime that I’m passionate about (though I do enjoy that it’s the closest thing to a sport I don’t utterly fail at and I’m allowed to drink beer while I do it), I do however have a love for the unique atmosphere of the bowling alley. I think it probably ties in to my appreciation of everything 80’s; most Bowling Alleys I’ve been to seem to be the last remaining relics of that decades obsessive use of colourful geometric shapes and gaudy pastel colours. I swear I’ve never been to a Bowling Alley where the carpet doesn’t look like it was designed by the costume department of Miami Vice.
    Until a few years ago one here in town still had a Namco Pole Position console tucked away in the corner. They’re magical places.

    – David

    P.S. I’ve been intermittently adding short reviews to my Letterboxd page if anyone fancies checking it out: http://letterboxd.com/david_cassette/films/reviews/

    • David,
      “Gutterballs” does not have great characters, neither in their conception nor execution. The “bad guy” team is obviously morally deplorable, but they’re so difficult to tolerate, it’s tough to wait for their welcomed demise. (But when they die, they die badly, and that’s good.) And the “good guys” are unlikable, as well.

      But you definitely sympathize for the assault victim and the abused transgender character. So, I guess in that way, you get behind these characters somewhat.

      So, the most appealing aspects of “Gutterballs” are the amazing setting, the ’80s throw-back style and the creatively gory kills. Those are the reasons to see this film. But the performances and scripting are abysmal, so I guess you’ll have to weigh the good and bad and go with your gut. For me it’s an 8.5, and if it were merely rated R, I would definitely own it.

      We should all go bowling sometime. : )
      Jay of the Dead

      • Many thanks for the response, Jay.

        Taking that into consideration I don’t think Gutterballs is going to be “buy” for me, but I’d still be interested in checking it out sometime. Its inventive use of the location appeals to me as does your comparison to Intruder which is up there in my top 10 Slashers of all time.

        Much appreciated good sir! And a Horror Movie Podcast bowling team would be a spectacle to behold!

        – David

  6. Hey guys,
    Still listening to the cast, but HAD to post re: All Hallow’s Eve. Yes, I did buy it. Yes, I did hate it. But I don’t regret buying it for a moment! I’m glad I saw it and, believe it or not, it’s a movie I will likely revisit at some point (for some reason, I will re-watch terrible movies repeatedly). Please don’t be gun-shy about making recommendations! Keep them coming. Here’s an INCOMPLETE list of awesome movies I bought blind just from listening to your casts over the years:

    The Beyond
    Gantz
    Deadgirl
    The Grapes of Death
    Wither
    Cold Prey
    Cold Prey 2
    Black Christmas
    Contracted
    Haunter
    You’re Next
    Mama
    The Woman in Black

    And for perspective, here is an EXHAUSTIVE, complete list of movies I blind-bought based on your recommendations that I didn’t like:

    All Hallow’s Eve.

    You guys are awesome!

    hdiito

  7. Hi guys, another great episode. I haven’t seen any of the movies reviewed, but I have seen some of the movies mentioned during the podcast and so here’s what I stand on those and also here’s what I’ve been watching:

    Monsters/Godzilla (2010)/(2014)
    I liked this movie quite a bit, I just don’t think it is as great as Josh or Dr. Shock think it is. But honestly, I don’t remember what their ratings were, so maybe we’re all on the same boat. I just remember them praising (defendingI it a lot so I’m going off of that. I think Monsters is a very well made movie that employs a larger than life background, which in this case is literally monsters (hence the title MONSTERS, Jay), to tell a very human story. I like the idea, I like the execution of it, and I like the end result. The movie had it’s fair share of problems, none of which I can list with detail since I haven’t seen the movie since it came out. I do remember being impressed with what I saw yet disappointed that it didn’t reach the heights of tension and drama that I wanted out of it. Anyway, this is a good film and I can see the direction where Gareth Edwards wanted to take Godzilla in, but ultimately didn’t succeed as much as in Monsters. I think I would rate both movies about the same. I give them both a 7.5.

    Leprechaun (1993)
    I love this movie. I think it’s kind of a rarity within the horror genre. It’s a terrible movie in the best possible way, it’s funny, it’s scary (like kids would be scared of it scary), it’s bloody, it’s violent, it has an iconic and likable villain, and it’s got a young Jennifer Anniston 😉 This movie is just so much fun. I always have a blast watching it either by myself or with others. They don’t make movies like this anymore. I give this an 8 and say watch it right meow, it’s on Netflix!

    Screamtime (1986)
    I found this little gem on Netflix by endlessly browsing a Sunday afternoon, looking for something to watch while there are perfectly good movies on my list which is already maxed out. Anyway, back to the movie. Screamtime i a British anthology in the vein of Creepshow. It contains within it three stories and and and overarching story kind of like in VHS. Actually, thinking about it, I think this might be where VHS borrowed some ideas from. All stories are great, there are no weak links here. Well, except maybe the last one a little bit, but overall it’s a lot of fun and it’s quite scary at times. It’s very demented for sure. There is this exploitation quality to it that I really love. I wish there were more movies like these out there. I’m sure there are, I just don’t know about them. So if any of you know of any, please let me know. I love anthologies. I think they’re something that needs to make a comeback in a bigger way. I know VHS and The ABCs of Death are trying to bring that back, but it’s not enough. I need more. Anyway, I give this an 8 and say watch it while it’s on Netflix!

    The Awakening (2011)
    I wanted this to to be better. It’s not that it was badly made and it wasn’t even a bad movie, it was just kind of generic. I felt like I’d seen that movie hundreds of times. There was nothing about it that stood out other than Rebecca Hall who did a great job and whom I find extremely lovely. There are far better movies than this that deal with similar themes. But it’s not a complete waste of time, so I say it’s a 6. It’s on Netflix so…

    Wishmaster (1997)
    Ah Wishmaster, my favorite movie about a djinn… Well, this is a pretty straightforward film. Evil genie wants to conquer the world. Evil genie needs for three wishes to be made in order for his conquering plans to advance. Evil genie finds petty human to carry out his plan and hilarity ensues. There are great practical special effects here and a pretty memorable role by Andrew Divoff who plays the titular role. I loved his exaggeration of the letter s whenever the said ’whishessssa” and I loved the confidence with which he spoke. Is this guy in more stuff? Because I think he’s great. There are a lot of weird 90’s psychedelic stuff happening that every time I see it, it makes my head hurt. And the acting was horrendous except for Divoff. Pretty silly movie, but it has enough good stuff happening that I think it warrants a view. Wishmaster is a 6 and it’s streaming on Netflix along with the sequels. Might check those out too!

    Cursed (2005)
    I know, I know. Why am I watching this horrible movie you ask? Well, this is a first time watch for me, so that’s always a good reason in my book. And Christina Ricci is in it! And I have a huge crush on her. So, guys, this movie isn’t that bad. I’ve heard tons of criticisms (well deserved) and all kinds of warnings against watching it (something about going dumb and blind), but honestly, I enjoyed it quite a bit. I mean, yeah it’s dumb and predictable and it hasn’t aged well, but it’s still good fun. Oh and the special effects are actually kind of impressive at times. I mean, for a 10 year old movie, it’s not bad. Now, I’m a sucker for werewolf movies so you may want to take my recommendation with caution. I give this a 6.5 and say stream it, it’s on Netflix!

    Fright Night – original (1985) and remake (2011)
    Alright, now we’re getting to the really good stuff here! Man, what can I say about Fright Night? It’s a classic. Not only that, but it’s a classic deservedly so. It actually delivers the goods that everyone talks about and somehow exceeds them. I’ve heard some people call it a comedy and others argue that it’s not a comedy at all. I think it falls somewhere in between if that makes any sense. It’s comedy is not as prominent as it is in Shaun of the Dead, but there is a lot of humor in it for sure. A solid cast, great performances throughout, great special effects, iconic characters and time tested one liners all make one hell of a movie. And the remake, although unnecessary, is just as good. It doesn’t improve on the original and it doesn’t deviate too much from the original, but it’s just a rock solid remake that’s very well made and it’s a perfect update for the younger audience that might find the original a little too “old school”. I give both a 9 and say watch it!

    The Serpent and the Rainbow (1985)
    What a letdown. I really wanted to like this movie a whole lot more than I did. I find the subject matter extremely interesting. They just didn’t go deep enough into the culture and they didn’t treat it with enough respect. If there are any other movies out there that touch on the subject matter that this movie does, please let me know. I’d be very interested in checking them out. Ok so the movie is not terrible, but it falls short on its promise. I give this a 5 and say check it out if you’re in the mood for it.

    Scream (1996)
    I just realized that I kind of went on a Wes Craven marathon of sorts haha. It was not my intention. I’m not a fan of his. With the exception of A Nightmare on Elm Street and Scream, I don’t much like his work. Scream though, it’s a masterpiece in my opinion. It’s a movie that was ahead of the curve back in 1996. It was self aware and it was just smart enough to elevate it and separate it from the pack of slashers out there. It reminds of Cabin in the Woods, only it’s not as smart or original. But they’re very different movies so it’s not a fair comparison. Scream is a definite classic and a must watch. It not only gave the world ghost face, but it gave us a young Neve Campbell, and for that I’ll always be grateful. So I guess it comes down to this: Do you like scary movies? If the answer is yes, watch Scream immediately. This is a 9.5 for me.

    Alright so that’s all I’ve been watching lately. I just got Big Bad Wolves in the mail, so I’ll be watching that this week. And then after that I think I’m going to go on a big Mexican horror movie spree. There are tons of recommended movies that are hard to find so I’ll see how that goes.

    What has everybody been watching? Anything good? Any recommendations?

    • Oooops I forgot to comment on High Lane, which is a 4 for me. It absolutely sucks. Sorry Jay, I know you love it. Believe me, I wanted to love it too. I liked the premise, but the film was ultimately too dumb and silly for me to like. And I just can’t get over the terrible production values or the bad acting. When it’s done right, it’s wonderful, when it’s not it’s painful. Here, it’s painful. But don’t let me deter you from recommending movies. I have an open mind and are always on the lookout for recommendations.

      • Juan,
        Sniffle, sniffle… I have been utterly shocked at the number of “High Lane” naysayers I’ve had over the past year (only 3 or 4, but that’s still a lot). That’s one of those horror movies I thought everyone would love, for the most part, barring minor complaints.

        I might have to revisit it for this podcast (I originally championed it on MPW), and point out its many elements of greatness, but in the meantime, for everyone else reading these comments, here’s my pitch:

        “High Lane” (2009) — Premise: When a group of friends opts to climb on a closed trail in the mountains of Croatia, they face dangers far more perilous than just a hazardous mountainside…

        Jay’s Micro Review of “High Lane”:
        The cover art and title for “High Lane” are not overly striking, but it’s a must-see for horror fans. It is structured in two halves: The first half of this movie is a thriller, and the second half crosses over into full-blown horror territory. As with other effective groups-in-danger narratives, the discord and treachery that occur internally between the individuals of the party are equally as intriguing as the external threat(s). If you liked “The Ruins,” you’ll love this movie (and it has a better “monster” than “The Ruins”).

        To me, “High Lane” is an 8.5 out of 10 and a Buy! But if Juan’s comment makes you leery, it’s currently streaming on Netflix Watch Instantly. Check it out!

        Jay of the Dead

        • Jay, technical question. Does it ever happen that when you type something and then click on post comment, sometimes extra words get added or words are misspelled? I was reading my post and there are quite a few extra words that shouldn’t be there. I mean, I’m pretty sure that I didn’t write and and and hahaha. Anyway, just curious.

    • Juan, It’s great to hear more of your thoughts and on such an eclectic mix of horror movies and as always I’ll throw in my two cents:

      “Cursed” and “The Awakening” I haven’t seen and I’m in no particular rush to change that at the moment. “The Serpent and the Rainbow” is something I’ve been interested in watching for a while though, I’ve just never gotten round to it and most peoples opinions on it seem to be mixed at best. I still may check it out however. If you’re looking for other movies that broach a similar subject matter (that of Haitian zombie lore) then the one that instantly springs to mind would be “White Zombie” (1932) if you haven’t already seen it and don’t have a problem with vintage horror.

      I feel that I should reserve my judgement on “Wishmaster” and “Fright Night” as it’s nearing a decade since I watched either of those movies (and I’ve yet to see the “Fright Night” remake) but “Leprechaun” is a little more distinct in my memory and I’d give it a 6/10. Certainly a fun movie to watch in company of friends and beers and I agree with your assertion that they don’t really make stuff like this anymore but it’s just a little too heavy on the silliness for me to give it a higher rating.

      Now “Screamtime” is definitely an interesting recommendation. I don’t believe I’ve come across this movie before and I’m going to have to look into it after reading your review. I’ve found decent horror anthologies are unfortunately hard to come by. Here’s a link to a list of horror anthologies (most of them fairly obscure): http://letterboxd.com/holliehorror/list/horror-anthologies/ I should note that this isn’t my own list and of the films listed I think I’ve only seen a handful. “Terrorgram” (1988) I’d give a 4.5/10 but say it’s worth checking out solely for the awesome narration by James Earl Jones. “Kwaidan” (1964) however is a 9/10 for me, probably pretty tame by today’s standards and very much rooted in Japanese ghost folklore (most if not all of the stories I’d actually previously read in a Lafcadio Hearn collection) but it’s an absolutely beautiful movie and well worth a watch. I’m afraid I recall so little about the few other movies from that list that I’ve seen (aside from the obvious stuff like Creepshow, Twilight Zone, Trick R Treat etc) that I can’t really give further recommendations or ratings based upon it. On the topic of “Kwaidan” however, I will suggest that if you don’t have a problem with J-Horror or anthologies that are mainly comprised of ghost stories it might be worth looking into some other Japanese material. They’ve produced a wealth of straight-to-video and made-for -TV horror anthologies. The production values often aren’t great and there’s normally a few dud sections to deal with but if you enjoyed movies like “Ju-on: The Grudge” and “Ringu” then you’ll definitely find something to give you the creeps. Here’s a few titles that might be worth checking out:
      “Honto ni atta kowai hanashi: Jushiryou” (1992)
      “Scary True Stories” (1991)
      “Tales of Terror from Tokyo” (2003)

      And finally time to throw the cat amongst the pigeons: I don’t like “Scream”. For me it’s a 4.5/10, though admittedly it probably deserves a higher rating than that, but I just find it hard to distance it from the wave of slick, generic, mainstream slashers that it started. I know that’s unfair and really “Scream” is an entertaining and sometimes suspenseful movie. The opening scene in fact I think is fantastic but there’s just something with all the meta-cleverness and knowing winks to the audience that feels a bit smug to me. That wouldn’t bother me too much but the whole film just looks way too polished for my taste in slashers. I like them grainy and low budget looking but “Scream” feels kind of like a slasher packaged specifically for the mainstream. Maybe I’m just being a contrary curmudgeon, but something about that movie (and more-so the slew of slashers that followed) has always bugged me.

      And now that I’ve alienated every other horror fan ever, I think it’s time for me to go!

      • Those all sound like great recommendations. I’m definitely interested in hunting those down. I love Asian horror so those movies will probably make it to the top of my queue. Although I have to say, I watch movies depending on the mood I happen to be in at the moment. Sometimes it makes for some interesting choices. See my list above for an example. And David, love that y’all take the time to comment on my stuff. It’s always a nice feeling checking the site and finding a new comment. I love everyone’s comments whether they agree with me or not. It’s what keeps me coming back to the site after I finish listening to the podcast. In a way it’s an extension of the podcast. And the longer we keep it going, the easier the wait for a new podcast to go up. This is like the blue stuff. It’s super addicting!

        Regarding Scream, I can’t believe you scored it so low. I’ve heard that complain before, that it looks too clean for a slasher. You sounded a bit like Billchete there. Honestly I don’t get why you would hold that against it. I understand that your preference is more along the lines of The Burning, but if the film is solid, that should be enough. I think the clean look was on purpose and I think it served that purpose well. I mean how could you have a self aware horror movie that looked like it was from the 80s? I just don’t think that would work. But I understand your hatred for the countless teen horror movies that came after. And if that’s good enough reason to hate on Scream, who am I to say you’re wrong? I have to say though, I’m a big sucker for those. It’s probably my favorite horror subgenre. Don’t ask me to explain why because I wouldn’t be able to. Just know that it’s a feeling deep inside of me, like a hunger, that can only be satiated with the blood of dumb, hot, degenerate teens.

        Thanks for the list. It looks great. I can’t wait to check some of those out. I think I should get my own letterboxd. How do you like it?

        Oh and going through some past episodes, I saw your top ten list that you posted and a comment from me promising my top ten list. Sorry that I never posted it. It fluctuates from time to time, but I’d say there’s a few that will always remain in the top ten. So, these are my top ten at the moment and yes, they’re in order.

        Alien
        The Thing
        The Shining
        The Fly
        Halloween
        Let the Right One In
        Rosemary’s Baby
        The Omen
        The Ring
        The Birds

        Not as eclectic anymore right? Pretty obvious choices but hey, these are classics in every sense of the word and they helped shape my love and taste for horror. I’ve watched them time and time again and they’re slay a pleasure to watch.

        • Actually, almost immediately after writing that post I felt bad because I think I was being too harsh on “Scream”. While it doesn’t appeal to my taste in Slashers I would be hard pushed to call it a bad movie and letting my dislike of what came in the era it initiated taint my view of the movie itself is unfair. I think I’ll have to give it a rewatch and try to be a bit more objective with my thoughts.

          I’d definitely endorse you setting up your own Letterboxd account Juan. I’m always looking for interesting horror obscurities from the past but I often found myself terribly frustrated with the lists and recommendations I’d find on IMDB or as the result of exhaustive google searches. Mainly just generic lists full of the same old obvious movies made by people who really don’t seem to be actual horror fans or who haven’t seen a film made before the year 2000. I’d search for “obscure horror movies of the 80’s” and end up with suggestions like “Evil Dead” and “The Changeling” (great movies but hardly “obscure”). Letterboxd has changed all that and in the short time I’ve been on there I’ve found some great horror fans who make thorough and specific lists relating to all kinds of sub-genres and genius categories. Hollie Horror who made the anthology list I showed you has everything from a list of 68 horror movies featuring memorable scenes in a hospital to a list of 116 films featuring killer kids! I’ve found so many new movies to watch since signing up and the movie diary feature is really useful too.

          Lastly, it was great to see your top ten my friend. There’re some excellent choices there and I’d actually say it is somewhat eclectic. You’ve got all sorts of sub-genres covered: sci-fi horror, possession, slasher, vampires, ghosts and even a nature-run-amok movie. Great stuff but I’m curious as to which version of The Fly you selected?

          Until recently I’ve not maintained a specific top ten list and the one I posted before was pretty much off the top of my head so it may not be totally accurate and is probably very much prone to fluctuation anyway. I’ve actually just finished a few sub-genre top ten lists that I’ve been putting a bit more thought into and hopefully they’ll provide a better overview of my tastes so I’ll post those soon but I’ll put them at the bottom of the page in a new comment lest this one never end!

          – David

          • It’s David Cronenberg’s The Fly that’s on my list. Unfortunately, I have never seen the original Fly or the original The Thing for that matter.

          • I don’t think I’ve actually seen the original “The Thing From Another World” but I have seen “The Fly” from the 50’s and I remember it being a good movie but very much of its time. The Cronenberg one is far superior in my opinion. It places far more emphasis on Brundle’s gradual loss of humanity which I think is the films strongest point. It’s almost Kafka-esque.

    • Juan…
      Thanks for the reviews. I am definitely going to check out Screamtime. I love anthology movies and have been hoping the guys tackle the subgenre some day. I’ll recommend some, but I’m guessing you’ve seen most of the best. But here are a pair of ones: Have you ever seen Monster Club? Not a great movie, but a totally bizarre one. You’ll never see another movie like it. Plus it’s fun to see Vincent price and john carradine in the wraparound. If you’ve never seen Body Bags, I’d check it out. Doesn’t live up to the potential of the talent involved but definitely entertains.

      Hdiito

      • No man, honestly I think I’m one of the less knowledgeable people on this site. I think I can keep up with you guys for the most part, but there are tons of movies that are mentioned here that I’ve never even heard of. The movies you mentioned, I wasn’t aware of any of them, but now I’ll have to check them out. Thanks a lot man. I’m always on the lookout for new stuff.

        • Great call on Screamtime! Loved the middle one! Thanks for the suggestion. And the wraparound was great too! They reminded me of the great Amicus anthologies– tales from the crypt and vault of horror. If you haven’t seen those check them out!

          • Cool! I’m glad you enjoyed it. Is the middle tale the one with the “ghosts” that’s actually just a really cool twist at the end? Yeah, that was great. I also enjoyed the one with the puppet. It’s so bananas!

          • The middle one could’ve been a feature, I think. One of the best concepts in an anthology movie I’ve seen in a while. Speaking of anthology movies, I caught a pretty decent one on Netflix if you haven’t seen it. It’s called “Doomsday Book,” it’s a Japanese/Korean production that leans more toward science fiction than horror– but I really liked the first segment. The second two… I could take or leave.

  8. Great episode, fellas. Hopefully Josh is well-rested now, and I love when Jay and Doc are cutting heads (I think you could call that last segment cutting heads).

    Speaking of cutting heads: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RIpKzCygePo
    (skip to the 3:53 mark of the video)

    Anyway, I came across an interesting website that I wanted to share with the community that maps out “The Geography of Horror” (http://mediamaps.esri.com/geography-of-horror/). In a nutshell, it’s an interactive map that sorts a list of about 200 horror movies by location and by decade. I find it useful to help select a movie when I’m in the mood to, for example, watch something set in Eastern Europe. The list of movies isn’t exactly exhaustive, but thought it was worth sharing.

    Dino

      • My pleasure. I just wish they would expand it to include more than the 200 movies they currently have. I think it would be even more interesting and provide more utility and insight into horror history.

  9. First of all, I’m trying to come up with a good horror nickname. I would like to use the best line from Child’s Play 3, but it’s not really family friendly.

    I agree with Jay and One Sick Puppy, there is not enough Godzilla in a Godzilla movie. Also, my son asked is Godzilla good or bad. They didn’t portray Godzilla as the bad monster he is. I think Godzilla should be on screen destroying things. Besides that I thought it was an enjoyable movie. My rating is a 7.5, high priority rental if you don’t see it in the theater. Defiantly better than the last two movies I saw in the theater, Oculus (5.5) and The Quite Ones (4).

    Also, did the Ford Brody character in Godzilla remind anybody of the Gerry Lane character in World War Z? They both survive multiple horrific accidents and ended up right where they needed to be at the right time. The both had a wife and son that didn’t know where they were at the whole time. This thought kept running through my head during the movie.

    Jay I live in Indiana. Let me know when you come to our fine state.

    I still need to watch the copy of Jan-Gel I received from One Sick Puppy. Thanks by the way. I’m waiting on my two sons to be available so we can give a group review.

    I noticed you are reviewing Mr. Jones on the next podcast. I bought this after watching the trailer online. My mini review. The POV, found footage, whatever you call it, was terrible. The dialogue when the main character is talking to the camera is just plain silly. The ending was hard to follow and left me confused. My rating 2.5, avoid.

    Monticello, Indiana

  10. Godzilla films (and kaiju films in general) are always at their best when they are military science-fiction first, and I felt that the remake nailed it. Many of the old films suffer from the same problems as the remake, clunky human-story, not enough creature fighting. So many of the old films have that set-up that in many ways they have changed from a bug to a feature.

    I’m glad I enjoyed this film as much as I did, because I was not a fan of “Monsters” at all. I agree with you Jay, it’s bumbling, tiring, and the human drama was weak at best.

    Keep up the great shows guys!

    • To expand on The Grey man’s excellent comment above:

      I heard something very interesting today while listening to the Cinema Diabolica podcast. The following comment, lifted from this URL: http://angryjoeshow.com/2014/05/godzilla-2014-angry-movie-review/ essentially repeats what I heard. It’s a response to someone complaining there wasn’t enough Godzilla in the new movie:.

      “Then you clearly haven’t watched much Godzilla before.

      The human/monster ratio is pretty much the same as a majority of previous Toho Godzilla films, much less the first 1954 film this was meant to pay homage to – which only had about 10 to 15 minutes of actual Godzilla appearance time out of the entire 80 or 96 minute movie, depending on if you see the US or original Japanese version, while the rest is on the humans caught in his/their path(s).

      If you came into it expecting “Pacific Rim 1.5: Now with Godzilla!” then it’s no wonder you’re disappointed”.

      Whole I’m a fan of the early Godzilla films, I’m certainly no expert. But I now plan to go back and watch a few of these older films, to see exactly how MUCH Godzilla we actually get.

      Does anyone know of a film where Godzilla is in 50% or more of the movie?

      • I made a similar point over on the Movie Podcast Weekly Episode 086 comments section:

        “I think it’s worth pointing out that if you look back at some of the classic Godzilla movies, the titular beast wasn’t actually in them that much either and often the first part of those films would concentrate on the more human elements of the story. I’m not trying to excuse the new Godzilla for any of the criticisms it has elicited, rather just contextualise the decisions the filmmakers may have made in an attempt to stay true to the franchise.”

        I’m also only a casual fan and It’s been a long time since I’ve watched any of these movies but from what I remember I’d say it’s pretty uncommon for at least the first half hour of one of these films to show us much more than a bunch of pseudo-science shenanigans and human drama.

        In fact I’m tempted to say that the movies that showed us the most in the way of Godzilla/monster battles were some of the worst in the franchise. “All Monsters Attack” (1969) being a prime example. That movie features Godzilla fighting a bunch of different monsters (mainly derived from stock-footage) but that doesn’t mean it isn’t absolutely terrible.

        – David

        • I should’ve mentioned this in my review of Godzilla:
          “If you’re one of the individuals looking to see more monsters and more fighting, then may I recommend the 1995 cult classic Power Rangers The Movie. There you will find what you’re craving for and more, much more.”

          Oh missed opportunities! :/

      • It all depends on what generation of Godzilla films you watch. The ones that the crew and One Sick Puppy were discussing seemed to be from the Shouwa series, which began with the original and ended with “The Terror of Mechagodzilla.” Those were incredibly cheesy and was aimed at younger fans. There is a ton of monster fighting in those, but they are pretty ridiculous.

        The Nissei series started with “Godzilla 1985.” It threw out all of the films but the original. This was more serious, and is, in my opinion, the best generation. It ended with “Godzilla vs. Destroyah,” in which Toho officially killed Godzilla so that Hollywood could make the 1998 film.

        Finally there is the Millennium series, which ran from “Godzilla 2000” to “Godzilla: Final Wars.” Similar to the Nissei series, it took only the original and 1985 as cannon.

        Edwards was clearly tapping into the last two series, which are very different. Those films didn’t see much airtime on television (I know I saw them by buying VHS tapes), so many people are only familiar with the schlockier (but still fun!) Shouwa series.

        And yes, I do know way too much about Godzilla.

  11. Hey, sorry to chime in so late. This is my first time commenting, and in all honesty it too me a while to figure out where to go to do so :/

    Anyway, I haven’t seen the new Godzilla yet. After the last N/A release in ’98, I almost couldn’t care less for another one… Until I saw the trailer, that is. It was obvious from the get-go that here we weren’t going to have another one of our standard Godzilla movies, and I loved that idea. In saying that, I’m still going to check it out, but after listening to the discussion, I just wanted to address something that had me totally agreeing with Dr. Shock right off the bat. (Sorry Jay and OSP.)

    But seriously, you guys couldn’t have expected a movie like this to just be one big battle royale, did you? I can understand the sentiment that there’s something fun and schlocky about watching a bunch of overgrown monsters duke it out while a bunch of people run around helplessly. In fact, it’s part of the reason there are literally dozens of other Godzilla movies that do that. Run on a shoe-sting budget, throw some bad costuming, effects and set-pieces around, and voila. Godzilla movie.

    And that’s all why they’re almost all universally terrible movies, from almost any objective standpoint.

    Specifically after the ’98 release, there was such a huge backlash that Japan released Godzilla 2000. If you’ve watched the film, you’ll know it went back to ‘the roots’ of Godzilla, so to speak, and while I won’t comment on which film is better, (the ’98 version and Godzilla 2000 are both terrible, if for very different reasons,) I can’t imagine anybody in this day and age legitimately trying to make a modern Godzilla movie and going that route. On the one hand, just watch any of the other 30 or so ‘Zilla flicks. Much like any franchise, (I’m thinking James Bond, for example,) at a certain point you have to change the formula. Sure it’s not always entirely successful, but you don’t put together a 150 million dollar movie with the expectations of simply rehashing an old, worn-out, and frankly ridiculous template for a film.

    I guess what I’m saying is while the new film might not be perfect, I can’t see how anyone would even consider it feasible to attempt to strictly go that route.

    (As a side note, I did watch Monsters from 2010, and I honestly thoroughly enjoyed it. I don’t think the film should be criticized specifically for it’s ‘lack of monster’ presence. In fact, it’s something I think works well to the film’s benefit, and the size of the creatures went far into creating the mood for the piece. While the interactions between the main characters and the creatures was kept to a minimum, for the most part, it helped set the tone. Here was this omnipresent danger that was on everyone’s mind, their visual presence alone impossible to ignore, and therefore always at the forefront of both the viewer’s and player’s conscious. Yes, it’s a drama and a love-story above all else, but there are still too many instances of the creatures themselves to look at it as being anything as a horror-flick. I think it speaks to the film’s credit that Edwards was able to craft this horror-setting and still tell a compelling drama without falling into the trappings of humans vs. aliens, and frankly if we wanted to see that we could just go to Cloverfield. But hey, that’s just my opinion!)

    Anyway, sorry for the long-winded response, but just wanted to add that I’m enjoying the show, and keep up the good work!

    P.S. Monster’s Ball. Just ‘sayin lol.

  12. Apologies that this has little to do with this episode but I’ve been working on my top tens recently and thought this as good a place as any to post them. Here’s what I have so far:

    Top 10 Ghost movies:
    1. Whistle and I’ll come to you
    2. Kwaidan
    3. Poltergeist
    4. Stir of Echoes
    5. The Eye
    6. The Sixth Sense
    7. The Ghost of Yotsuya
    8. Ju-on: The Grudge
    9. Carnival of Souls
    10. The Orphanage

    Top 10 Slashers:
    1. The Burning
    2. New York Ripper
    3. Texas Chainsaw Massacre (proto-slasher I know, but I had to put it somewhere!)
    4. Friday the 13th part 4
    5. Intruder
    6. Pieces
    7. Halloween
    8. Friday the 13th
    9. Sleepaway Camp
    10. Psycho II

    Top 10 Zombie movies:
    1. The Beyond
    2. Day of the Dead
    3. Return of the Living Dead
    4. Dawn of the Dead
    5. Zombi (aka Zombi 2, Zombie Flesh Eaters etc)
    6. City of the Living Dead
    7. Night of the Living Dead
    8. Dead and Buried
    9. The Video Dead
    10. Braindead

    Top 10 sci-fi horror movies:
    1. Alien
    2. The Thing
    3. Invasion of the Body Snatchers (1978)
    4. Aliens
    5. The Fly (1986)
    6. Event Horizon
    7. The Deadly Spawn
    8. Predator
    9. The Blob (1988)
    10. The Mist

    I’ll just note that these aren’t necessarily what I perceive to be the very best films in each subcategory, rather they are just the ones that I personally have the most affection for.

    -David

    • Hey David,
      Thanks for posting the list! I agree with many of your picks (although, I’d have them ordered a little differently). I’m glad you listed Kwaidan as I’ve just found out about it a couple of months ago. I love anthology movies, so I’d love to see this. A question: Is Kwaidan placed so highly on your list because it’s an extremely well made ghost movie? Or because it is one the scariest ghost movies you’ve seen? In other words, I see that this movie is fifty years old now… is it a better movie than “Stir of Echoes,” and “The Eye,” or is it scarier movie? I’ll watch it either way, but wanted to hear your thoughts.

      Thanks!

      hdiito

      • Hisdinnerisintheoven! Thanks for the comment.

        Kwaidan is definitely not on my list due to it being a particularly scary ghost movie but rather because it is a beautifully crafted and incredibly atmospheric film. It’s basis is a selection of Japanese folk-tales as interpreted by writer Lafcadio Hearn and while some of these tales are certainly spooky they err more on the side of traditional morality tales than they do narratives structured around twists and jump-scares. So it doesn’t pack the creepiness factor of movies like “Stir of Echoes” or “The Eye” but at the end of the day scariness is somewhat subjective and I think that the eerie, expressionism of Kwaidan may have stayed with me longer than the cheap jump scares of many more conventional horror films.

        I hope that answers your question and if you check Kwaidan out I hope you enjoy it though I’m aware it may not be everybodies cup of tea.

        – David

    • Nice lists man! There’s a few that I haven’t seen, so I’ll definitely check those out. Kwaidan sounds very interesting. I’m dying to see it. I’m glad The Blob got some love from you. It’s one of my favorite sci-fi horror movies. Seeing all these cool lists and comments really makes me wish that I had friends here in Houston that I could share my enthusiasm with. Maybe I should try looking up some meet up groups online. Have any of you tried your luck with that?

      • Although I’m a bigger horror fan than most of my friends I’m very fortunate that we all grew up getting drunk and watching these kind of movies together so I’ve never really felt the need to look into meet up groups or anything.

        A friend of mine did find out about a horror club of sorts in York (the closest city to where I live) though. They would screen a different horror movie every month at a venue and they’d serve themed drinks and have trivia and quizzes and stuff. They showed stuff like “The Thing”, “The Blob” (1988) and “Return of the Living Dead”. We went along to the “Return of the Living Dead” screening. Tickets were about the same as you’d pay in a cheap cinema but all you can eat free popcorn was included and it was loads of fun. It was pretty busy and everyone seemed super friendly and pretty passionate about horror. I don’t know if they have this kind of thing over in the States but if they do I’d recommend giving it a try. York is a pretty small city so I’m sure there must be even more horror fans in somewhere as big as Houston! I think the best places to find out about these kind of events are probably comic book stores and independent record stores and the like. I hope you find some horror buddies to share your love of the genre with in person!

        • There is one meet up group and it’s rather large (500+), but I assume that only a few go to the shows. They also don’t get together that often. I’m hoping to make friends with a few and maybe do our own, more intimate gatherings. The good news is that the next movie is Jason X, so I’m very excited about it. It might just be my favorite Friday the 13th movie (even though it doesn’t carry the Friday the 13th name).

          • Jason X is one of those movies that I couldn’t stand when I was younger but as I’ve gotten older and maybe a little wiser I’ve come to appreciate it for its cheesy excess and wealth of entertainment value. Not my favourite in the franchise but definitely a very fun movie to watch, especially in a big group.

      • Thanks for sharing those lists, David. I’m a big lists guy.

        There are a few on there I have not seen yet, so I’ll definitely check them out. Nice to see two installments of the Friday the 13th series in your slasher top 10!

        • Thanks for the comment Dino!

          Friday the 13th is definitely my favourite of the major slasher franchises. I especially love the first four movies but even Jason Takes Manhattan has a little place in my heart.

          Also I encourage everyone else to share their lists if they so wish. I’m always extremely interested to see what horror movies people really love.

          – David

  13. For all of you creature feature lovers out there. There is a movie that I watched as a kid and whose name I can’t remember. I don’t remember the movie very well, but I remember the creature. It’s in the shape of a frisbee and it flies through the air and then latches onto you with it’s many sharp teeth and it just sucks away your blood I guess. And it’s not just the one creature, it’s many of them. I know it’s not a lot to go on, but if anyone has any idea of what this movie might be, please let me know. The movie is probably from the 80s, maybe 70s.

      • You know, I just watched the trailer for that and a lot of the scenes are giving me some major deja-vu… except for the alien hunter. Also, I do remember a lot of desert scenes in the movie that I’m talking about. No desert scenes are featured in the trailer, so I don’t know. But damn, now I want to see that haha. Looks awesome!

        • Well I think it was shot in Southern California so there is a chance that there might be some desert scenes in the movie. I can’t think of any other films off the top of my head that would fit that description but who knows!
          I think the whole movie is up on youtube anyway.

          • I just read that “Without Warning” is being re-released on Blu-Ray in a couple months. I’ve been wanting to watch this movie for a while (and am just now hearing that it’s been youtube all along!). I want to see how close to Predator people claim that it is.

  14. Add me to the list of Godzilla supporters. I took my 6 year old son, 2 year old daughter, and wife and we loved it. Granted my daughter didn’t have much to say, but it’s one of the few movies that my wife or I didn’t have to take her out and walk the hallways. My wife went back a second time with our son and watched it again. I’ll admit, I’m a relative noob to the Godzilla movies, mainly remember him in Pee Wee’s big Adventure lol, but I did own several toys and I assume saw some movies when I was a kid. Had it just been monster fights, I would have been bored and probably thought it was silly. My main disappointment was that the trailer seemed to make the movie appear that Godzilla was going to destroy the world and that was obviously far from the case. I thought the movie was going to have a more tense atmosphere (I want to say scary but it’s not a horror movie) than it had. The trailer felt really bleak and depressing to me. Regardless, I really enjoyed the movie for what it was and was glad that I was able to catch it in the theater. I immediately went to Toys ‘R Us following the movie and picked up a big Godzilla figure for my son, and for me if I’m being honest. I’ll definitely purchase this movie when it becomes available on iTunes.

    Jay add Metropolis, Illinois to your shirt for me!

    Thanks
    Jarrett (The Chief)

  15. I’m late to the party but that happens when one wanders off into the woods for a 7 day camping trip.

    I want to flesh out a point about Godzilla that was slightly touched on in this episode, but I think that it can be expanded on.

    I should note that I have not seen the new Godzilla movie so please take my comments with a grain of salt.

    Over the years and the dozens of movies, Godzilla has become somewhat of a superhero. Yes I know that sounds true, but if you look at a lot of the movies you could easily replace Godzilla with a guy in tights and the story would be virtually unchanged.
    This new movie is essentially a reboot of the Godzilla franchise and I would consider this more or a superhero archetype then a monster movie (whether that is right or wrong, it is up to you to decide). Look at other superhero movies and how long it takes for them to introduce their heroes etc (Transformers, Iron Man, Captain America, Batman Begins). It usually takes a good 45 minutes to an hour before our heroes are fully introduced. From the sounds of it this new Godzilla movie follows very similar storyline to your average superhero movie.

    I am also willing to bet that in the sequel (and we all know its coming). The big guy will hit the screen smashing very early.

    Abide

    The Dude

  16. Gotta say not seeing Godzilla a ton in this movie is fine with me, I mean I’m a big G fan and come on Jay almost ALL of the Toho Godzilla movies (Final Wars being an exception) are just like this, bunch of people standing around talking, then you see a little bit of the monsters, more people talking bout science, new weapon, etc. then some more monsters, little bit more talking and then BAM final showdown. I enjoyed the story very very much on this one and LOVED the acting. I can’t say too much bad about the 98 Zilla cuz while it is NOT Godzilla it did get me into him, I was 7 when I saw it in the theater, then I went out and got King Kong vs Godzilla and have been a huge fan ever since 😀 love the new Godzilla! And he’s not that fat, check out some of the late 60’s Godzilla bout the same size

  17. I just discovered the podcast and love it. I’m catching up on these old episodes.
    Last night I watched Blood Glacier (it shows up as The Station in Plex, weird) and Jay you were so right about it reminding one of The Thing. In spots I was wondering if the score of The Thing was ripped off wholesale and put into this movie.

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