Horror Movie Podcast Ep. 018: Sometimes Horror Is About the Absence of Peace

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Episode 018 of HORROR MOVIE PODCAST is a two-hander with Jay of the Dead and Dr. Shock. (Wolfman Josh was in flight and en route as we were recording.) So, this is another motley mix of Frankensteinian fun. And we’ll just ask ahead of time: Forgive us for spending so much time giggling about terrible movies… It’s a weakness of ours. Remember Jan-Gel?

Be sure to vote on Dr. Shock’s provocative poll question below:

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SHOW NOTES:
I. Introduction
— No Wolfman Josh for this episode
— Poll question results from Ep. 017
— GregaMortis and “Halloween” fans
— Selling “The Texas Chain Saw Massacre” (1974) to listeners of The Traders Podcast
— Unscrupulous directing
— Dr. Shock’s provocative poll question — please vote!

II. 5 New Horror Trailers (Watch with us!)
Eli Roth’s The Green Inferno
Willow Creek
Nothing Bad Can Happen
Deliver Us From Evil
As Above, So Below

III. Review: 5IVE GIRLS (2006)
Dr. Shock = 6.5 ( Rental )

IV. Review: THE CORRIDOR (2010)
Dr. Shock = 7 ( Rental )

V. Review: SCREAMING IN HIGH HEELS (2011)
Dr. Shock = 8 ( Buy it! )

VI. Review: BANSHEE CHAPTER (2013) — Recommended by Justin
Jay of the Dead = 6.5 ( Rental )

VII. Review: HEADLESS HORSEMAN (2007)
Dr. Shock = 1.5 ( Avoid )

VIII. Review: TREASURE CHEST OF HORRORS (2012)
Dr. Shock = 2.5 ( Avoid )

IX. Review: THE ROAD (2011) — Recommended by Rhardo
Jay of the Dead = 6 ( Rental )

X. Review: CHANDU THE MAGICIAN (1932)
Dr. Shock = 5.5 ( Rental )

XI. Dr. Shock’s 5 Bela Lugosi Movies That Are Worth Checking Out if You Dig Old-Time Horror and You’d Like to Watch an Acting Great:
1. Son of Frankenstein (1939)
2. Dracula (1931)
3. The Black Cat (1934)
4. White Zombie (1932)
5. Murders in the Rue Morgue (1932)

XII. The World of Professional Haunting and Great Horror Campout
Great Horror Campout.com

XIII. Miscellany
— iTunes review from KZ-Justin (Thank you!)
— True story: Creeper in the Closet! (Read the NBC News story)
— Doc Shock’s freaky nightmare

XIV. Wrap-Up:

NEXT ON HMP — IN TWO WEEKS: Releasing on Friday, June 20, 2014 — Episode 019: THE SIEGE NARRATIVE. Definitely don’t miss it!

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Hear Jay of the Dead review “SAW” (2004) on Ron Martin’s The Resurrection of Zombie 7 horror podcast: Episode 97: Saw

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Dr. Shock on Twitter: @DVDinfatuation
Dr. Shock’s other horror podcast: Land of the Creeps

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Thanks for listening.
Jay of the Dead

57 thoughts on “Horror Movie Podcast Ep. 018: Sometimes Horror Is About the Absence of Peace

  1. An early release…well done.
    I haven’t listened to the episode yet, but I am excited about the old Bela Lugosi recommendations.
    I am a HUGE fan of the classics, dating back even earlier than Nosferatu (just for you Jay :)).

    All of those films are great Doc and I hope that everyone gets a chance to check them out.

    I would also add a couple of more to your list Doc.
    1) Island of Lost Souls (1932): Although this isn’t primarily a Lugosi film, he does have an excellent part in it. This is the film version of HG Wells Island of Dr. Moreau, which just happens to be my favourite book of all time.
    2) The Raven (1935): Another pairing with Karloff. I actually like this one slightly better than The Black Cat, but both are excellent films. I recommend checking out a double feature if you can.
    3) The Body Snatcher (1945): This is a classic Robert Wise directed film that once again pair Karloff and Lugosi. Based and the Robert Lewis Stevenson story of the same name which was inspired by the exploits of Scottish grave robbers Burke and Hare. A must see.

    I can’t wait to dig into this episode.

    Abide

    The Dude

    • Hearing and reading about the horror movies from yesteryear makes me want to go on a marathon of classic horror. I think out of all the old classics I’ve only seen The Mummy, House on Haunted Hill, and Creature from the Black Lagoon. In all honesty, I really enjoyed them. I thought it would be kind of a drag to watch them, but I sincerely didn’t feel bored at any point. Doc, do you have a list somewhere of the essentials that you just have to see? I’d like to start with that and then work my way up.

      • I would very much look forward to seeing Doc’s list but I just can’t resist putting together my own list of favourites. Broken down my Decade

        Silent Classics:
        -The Cabinet of Dr Caligari (1919)
        – The Phantom Carriage (1921)
        – Nosferatu (1922)
        – The Phantom of the Opera (1925)
        – The Cat and the Canary (1927)

        1930s:
        Frankenstein (1931)
        Dracula (1931) (Both English and Spanish versions)
        Freaks (1932)
        Island of Lost Sous (1932)
        The Mummy (1932)
        The Old Dark House (1932)
        Vampyr (1932)
        White Zombie (1932)
        Bride of Frankenstein (1935)
        Mad Love (1935)
        The Raven (1935)
        Son of Frankenstein (1939)

        1940s:
        Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde (1941)
        The Wolf Man (1941)
        Cat People (1942)
        Frankenstein Meets The Wolfman (1943)
        Son of Dracula (1943)
        The Uninvited (1944)
        Dead of Night (1945)
        The Picture of Dorian Grey (1945)
        Abbott and Costello Meet Frankenstein (1948)

        1950s:
        The Thing (From Another World) (1951)
        House of Wax (1953)
        Creature From The Black Lagoon (1954)
        Godzilla (The non-pudgy version) (1954)
        Them (1954)
        Diabolique (1955)
        Invasion of the Body Snatchers (1956)
        Blood for Dracula (1957)
        The Curse of Frankenstein (1957)
        Night of the Demon (1957)
        The Blob (1958)
        Fiend Without A Face (a must see) (1958)
        Horrors of the Black Museum (1959)
        The Tingler (1959)

        I am sure that there are lots more that can be added to this list. If you have any questions, just let me know and I’ll be happy to make some recommendations.

        • Wow! The Dude!

          Great list! I’ve seen quite a few of these, but I’m still going to actually save your list on a document on my computer. Thanks, Brother. Killer list…
          JOTD

          • Haha thanks. That is just the tip of the iceberg. To say I am into the classics of horror is an understatment.

            Enjoy the titles.

            The dude

        • Nice, man! Thanks dude, I’m putting all of those in my queue and I’ll make sure to report back as soon as I see them.

        • Wow, there’s a bunch of these movies I haven’t seen, but of the ones I have all were excellent. So as far as I can tell this list is fantastic!

        • That is a truly impressive list! I think you’ve just about nailed it. For those wanting to explore the best of what old-time horror has to offer, you can’t do much better than what The Dude has listed above.

          The only two additions I would make would both be to the 1930s section: THE INVISIBLE MAN (which we already covered on the show) and the Fredric March version of DR. JEKYLL AND MR. HYDE. I do like the Spencer Tracy version as well, but the 1930’s film was extremely innovative in its technique and has some scenes that, even today, are a little shocking.

          Other than that, I wouldn’t add / subtract a single thing from the Dude’s list. All are classics, and worth a watch!

          • Ah damn…how could I have forgotten THE INVISIBLE MAN, it is one of my personal favourites. In all fairness you can just about put anything made by Universal on the list from 1931 to 1939. The 1940’s brought us THE WOLF MAN and a number sequels that had diminishing returns but the were still fun popcorn flicks.

            There are 3 major versions of DR. JEKYLL AND MR. HYDE movies that I would recommend.
            1) 1920 version staring film great John Barrymore. This is notable for being a very early adaptation of RL Stevenson’s novella and for the performance by John Barrymore. Unlike later versions, the use of make up wasn’t used for the Hyde character. Instead Barrymore disheveled his appearance, changed his mannerisms and body language to articulate the change.

            2) 1931 version. This really is the definitive screen version of this story. This time around Fredric March plays our hero (er…villain) and delivers an outstanding performance. This is one of the rare horror films that has won one of the 4 major Academy Awards. March was the co-winner (along with Wallace Beery from THE CHAMP) of the Best Actor award.

            3) The final version of this movie that I would recommend is the 1941 version. This version stars Spencer Tracey as our title character as well as Ingrid Bergman and Lana Turner. Victor Fleming of GONE WITH THE WIND and THE WIZARD OF OZ fame is at the helm. This version not only has a strong cast and direction.

            One last note…Doc I have to give you a shout out for your Dwight Fry / Renfield impression on this last episode. That moment that you so eloquently described is (IMO) the most power and creepy moment in Browning’s version of DRACULA (1931). I might even go as far as saying that is might just be the single best moment in all of Universal Horror. You impression was spot on.

            As always….Abide

            The Dude

  2. Regarding horror related or non horror content on this show, I would love to hear about films that are scary or terrifying even if they’re not horror films! For instance, Deliverance gave me a nightmare (and it wasn’t the rape that did it) because it’s a frightening film, even if it isn’t a horror film.

    And this is primarily a comment for Dr. Shock, but I want to point everyone to Terror Troop Episode 87: Foreign Film Fest. In a segment regarding High Tension, I offer a defense of the film structure used. I believe the film makes sense in how it DOESN’T make sense, and Boss Butcher and I talk about the how and why.

  3. Hi guys, I’m still listening to the episode, but I had to comment on something that you said Jay. First of all, I’m beyond excited for The Green Inferno. I have really high hopes for it and I have the feeling that we’re in for something special. Having said that, the trailer didn’t do anything for me. I wanted it to give me chills, to leave me wanting to see the movie on day one, but sadly, it didn’t. The funny thing is that the reasons why the trailer sort of turned me off are the same reasons why you liked the trailer, Jay. And even funnier is that those same things that bothered me in this case, I usually find enticing. The clean look, the super HD look to it, the overabundance of color, all of that I would usually find super appealing. I think that I automatically associate The Green Inferno with the cannibal movies from the 70s and 80s and they all had a very specific look that fits perfectly with the cannibalism theme. I guess I kind of wanted that same look for The Green Inferno. I have to admit though, that it does look beautiful. It’s so colorful. Do you think that’s perhaps an Argento homage?

    • Hey Juan, this is irrelevant to your comment but I just thought I’d let you know that since our comments in the last episode I’ve revisited “Scream” and yeah, i was being way too harsh on it. The endless referential stuff still felt kind of smug and a little condescending to me, and I can’t say that it was particularly scary but it was undeniably entertaining. I also think that my nostalgia for the 90’s has grown a great deal since the last time I saw it, so this time I actually found the overly polished look of that decade kind of endearing. I’m revising my score from an unfair 4.5/10 to a solid 6.5/10. Still probably low by most peoples standards but I’m just kind of a jerk with ratings anyway :-]

      – David

      • Hello friend! Wow, two whole points uh? LOL. That’s fine man, you don’t have to like a movie because other people like it. Which I know it’s not the case here, but I’m just saying. I don’t like Italian horror a whole lot and I’ve made peace with that already. I don’t think it makes me any less of a horror movie fan or any less appreciative of that sub-genre. So, good for you for giving Scream another go. I certainly appreciate you taking the time to re-watch it and re-score it. I’ll make sure to return the favor when I give a low score to something that you score high.

        • Well I’m grateful to you for giving me the impetus to re-watch it because it means I found enjoyment in a movie that I might otherwise have written off for the rest of my days. Truthfully, I think 6.5 is a fairly good rating for me. Just 1.5 points below “Halloween” and a whole 4 points above the likes of “Halloween: Resurrection”, “Alien vs Predator” and “Underworld”. It’s rare I cut a movie much slack and I ain’t cutting no slack with “Scream” anyhow, it definitely, genuinely deserves an above average score in my book.

          Anyway, it’s good that we can celebrate the diversity of tastes in this community, especially when it results in a Doc Shock and Wolfman Josh vs Jay of the Dead and One Sick Puppy tag team match like the last episode!

          -David

  4. Wolfman’s absence is a shame but it looks like you guys made up for it with a whole bunch of reviews and an early posting!

    Anyway, I’m only a little way into the episode so far but thought I’d throw in my two cents regarding Dr. Shock’s pole question:

    I think it’s a great idea although I certainly understand Jason’s concerns with regards to diluting the content of the podcast. Maybe if a full episode of non-horror movies would turn people off, then just a segment of non-horror coverage every few episodes would work better? though admittedly that may be detrimental to the depth of the discussion. Either way I’m a fan of all kinds of movies and would love to hear the hosts of this show delve into some material from outside of the horror genre although I will say that I do think if that’s going to happen on this podcast then the movies covered should have some kind of a link to its titular genre, however tenuous.

    It’s definitely interesting to contextualise horror films by looking at how they have been influenced by/influential towards films outside of the genre and to be honest I’m not one for drawing strict guidelines as to what makes something horror anyway. I think that being dogmatic about any specific genre is inherently going to limit that genres potential so I’m all for looking at films that don’t necessarily fit the specific mold. There’s a bunch of super violent action movies out there that gore-hounds would love and I’m sure there’s a bunch of thrillers that fans of psychological horror would get a kick out of. There’s a bunch of Sci-fi movies (Doc’s suggestion of “Forbidden Planet” being a perfect example) that are rife with horror conventions and some extremely gritty dramas can be even more disturbing than a straight up horror movie. We’ve got folks like David Lynch who aren’t generally considered horror directors but who’s work is undeniably nightmarish and we’ve got movies like “The Warriors” that aren’t much to do with horror but would likely be appreciated by a similar audience. Not only that but just bringing up why some movies are classified as horror and some aren’t is an interesting debate in and of itself. I always see “Silence of the Lambs” classed as a thriller and I swear that the only reasoning behind that is that it was a critically acclaimed film and certain critics would balk at the idea of praising something as lowly as a horror movie. But at the end of the day it is a film about a cannibal who cuts someone’s face off and wears it as a mask and another guy who skins women to make a suit out of their skin. Other movies like “8mm” and “Se7en” have suffered a similar fate. Anyway I digress.

    Really my point is that “horror” is a concept that spans many genres and is itself a genre that draws inspiration from innumerable sources, be they early 20th century French stage plays or awesome Ray Harryhausen monster movies, so I think that expanding the discussion into the fringes is ultimately a good idea. I even feel that some documentaries would be relevant to the horror community. “American Movie” would be a great one to cover and I’m sure lots of people would be moved by the prejudice showcased in something like “Paradise Lost: The Child Murders at Robin Hood Hills”.

    Anyway, I’m rambling now but as one final point of this post I’d like to also give my support to Jason’s idea of covering horrifying movies outside of the genre, not least for the many reasons listed above but also because a bunch of the stuff that scared us as kids probably wasn’t something we saw in horror film but more likely some strange element of a film totally unrelated to the genre. There’s a scene in Barry Manilow’s TV movie/musical “Copacabana” that haunted me for years. I think it was just a shot of a young woman sat at a bar slowly cross-fading into a shot of her somewhat wrinkly older self. Boy do I have issues.

    – David

    • Hi David,

      While I do find your points to be steel-solid and I would agree with them nine point five times out of ten, I’m going to be the party pooper and play devil’s advocate. First of all, let’s not forget the name of this podcast. Let’s also not forget the reason why we all gather here every two weeks. And lastly, let’s not forget why this podcast even exists in the first place.

      I’m a movie lover first and foremost. And even though horror is my favorite genre, it’s not the only thing I watch. So no, I am not opposed to hearing other types of movies being discussed. I’m just opposed to them being discussed in a podcast whose inception and dedication has been to horror and horror alone. I agree that the horror genre can be tricky to define and it’s fun to see how much horror can be stretched before it becomes something else. If we look hard enough, we can find horror in every movie, but that’s not what a horror movie is. That’s now what a horror movie should be. Yes, there are arguments to be made for certain movies. Is S7ven a horror movie? I sure think so, but I know there are people out there who think that’s a preposterous categorization. Lines can be blurred, yes, but they’re still there.

      I cheated on you guys, I listened to another horror podcast the other day just to check it out. Man did it suck! I won’t mention the name of such podcast, but just know that the movies that they were discussing were not horror. Do you know what their number one horror movie of the year was? Gravity! You cannot be serious! I love Gravity, it’s an experience like no other and it was not only my favorite movie of last year, but I think over the years it will make my top 10 of all time. But Gravity is not a horror movie. I depicts a horrific event that, if it were to happen to me, I would probably be scared shitless, but let’s not kid ourselves, it wasn’t intended to be a horror movie and so it’s not one. That podcast that I just described is something that I don’t want to happen to this podcast. I would be perfectly fine, with movies outside the horror realm that still STRONGLY portray horror and/or gore in some way. But let’s not stray too far. I mean, we have moviepodcastweekly.com for the rest of the stuff that’s not covered here. Unless what you guys were thinking more along the lines of a (gasp!) merger. In which case, I’d be really sad, but still listen to you.

      I guess my point is this: horror has enough diversity and spans enough decades to keep things interesting for a very long time. There’s no need to bring other genres to one that is already rich in content. I’m not opposing your decision Doc, I love the idea of approaching horror from a different perspective and I’m all in when it comes to elevating and advancing the genre and forum discussions. But I am asking for a little caution when picking the movies outside of the circles of hell.

  5. Juan, you raise brilliant points and I totally appreciate your concerns. Truth be told it’s incredibly rare to find a horror podcast as good as this one (though there are a few great ones out there) and I understand reluctance on anyone’s part to potentially negate the excellent standards that these guys uphold. That being said I trust that no matter what movies they chose to focus on, there’s little chance that they would lose their perspective to the point of having “Gravity” anywhere near a best-of-the-year horror list. That does seem ridiculous!

    Still I understand the point you are making and I agree to the extent that if they do go in the suggested direction, it should only be a very minimal element of the podcast or a once-in-a-blue-moon special episode but I do maintain that exploring the outer fringes of this type of cinema (while remaining securely anchored to the mainland) would make for some very interesting and refreshing discussions.

    – David

  6. @The Dude
    — Thanks for giving us those additional, classics recommendations. One of my favorite things this community does is recommends movies.

    @The Unknown Murderer
    — Thanks for voting for a “Terrifying Films That Aren’t Horror” episode. I suspect it would go over well. And yes, “Deliverance” is truly scary, and I love it. (P.S. I’m a terrible person. So sorry! I still need to answer your e-mail!)

    @Juan
    — That is hilarious how you and I are typically on the opposite ends of the spectrum, except for this one instance, where our tastes have swapped… Absolutely bizarre. But I have two things to say about that: 1. I think the reason the vibrant, colorful polish of this trailer gave me a good feeling is because “Aftershock” looked that way, too, and it ended up being a “fun” experience. 2. We should try to analyze why we’ve traded places on this… Tastes are subjective, but this is too much of a coincidence: There must be something to it. (I didn’t think of the Argento homage angle, but I hope not, because for me that would be a bad thing… ha ha.) And yes, the name of this podcast, in its purity and simplicity, is intentional, and it stands for something. Thanks for your kind words about our show, Juan. I know from experience that you speak your mind with candor, so that goes a long way. I’m glad you like our show, especially when there are other great horror shows out there. And I personally think “Gravity” is truly horrifying, but I agree with you that it’s not a horror film.

    @David
    — I need to revisit “Scream,” as well. It’s been way too long since I’ve seen that movie (but I remember being amused and impressed). By the way, I like the way you rate things. I can relate. That way people know you’re serious when you throw out a 9 or 10 rating … that is, until you [read: “ I ”] oversell “Insidious: Chapter 2.” ha ha. And yes, to your point about “diversity of tastes,” it’s our “battles” that make it so fun to debate about horror movies. I’m glad this whole community has jumped in to the fray. I was worried where the poll question was going initially, because I voted as a “Keep HMP horror-only and do it on MPW,” but it looks like the Universe is properly balancing itself out… ha ha. I do really like Doc’s idea, and I’m glad people are encouraging us to still go for it over on Movie Podcast Weekly. I like to pull Karl and Andy in to the mix with us. By the way, “American Movie” is one of my all-time favorite documentaries, and I think everyone who loves horror films should watch it (even though it’s not a horror film). Interesting that you mentioned “Paradise Lost…” That’s going to come back around. And thank you for also supporting the “Terrifying Films That Aren’t Horror” episode idea. (I have so many similar experiences to your Barry Manilow example…)

    Thanks for your comments, Everybody. You guys are the best!
    Jay of the Dead (The Self-Proclaimed Ed Wood of Horror Podcasting)

    • Don’t you be ashamed of your “Insidious: Chapter 2” rating Jay! If I recall correctly that score was representative of the great time you had watching that movie in the theatre and if you enjoyed it that much then you shouldn’t be shy about it. It may transpire that on a re-watch in a different situation you’ll end up lowering your score, or maybe it would remain the same, it doesn’t matter either way. It’s pretty much impossible for us to experience a film devoid of some kind of external influence; just as the communal jubilance of a packed theatre could add to our enjoyment of a film, the quietude of an empty home could render a film boring. A bad day at work could cast a shadow over an otherwise good movie, or cold weather could make a spooky tale that much more unsettling. I generally lean more towards ratings representing an honest emotional response than a carefully considered cerebral analysis. Besides I’m sure there are a bunch of movies that I’ve given what seem to be inordinately high ratings. I tend to be pretty lenient when it comes to stuff like amateurish acting and low production values and on the other side of the same coin, I can sometimes come across as predisposed to unfairly low ratings of slicker, bigger budgeted movies. I gave “Resident Evil” a 4/10 while “Basket Case” is an 8/10. I’m sure that might seem ludicrous to some people.

      Also glad to hear you’re a fan of “American Movie”. What with that and “The Devil and Daniel Johnston” it seems we have similar tastes in documentaries!

      – David

      • Don’t listen to David, you should feel ashamed, Jay. Shame on you, Jay, shame on you. Lol just kidding. I am of the mindset that one shouldn’t have “guilty pleasures”, but just pleasures. If you like something, you shouldn’t have to apologize for it. Ultimately, David’s wise words hit the mark. So Jay, embrace your score with pride and champion Insidious 2 all you want, just be prepared for some teasing :)

        • I certainly do. I won’t end up changing my rating on Insidious: Chapter 2; however, I’ve heard so many naysayers now, I plan to revisit it someday to see if I just got swept up in the theater experience. I jumped like 20-some times, and jump scares don’t usually get me.

          The film I’m truly prepared to fight for (and take abuse for) is “Alien: Resurrection” (1997). I freakin’ love that movie! Anybody with me on that one?
          JOTD

          • “Alien: Resurrection” is one of those movies that I think unfairly suffers because of its placement in a franchise that also contains two absolute classics.

            In my opinion it doesn’t hold a candle to “Alien” or “Aliens”, which I’d rate a 10/10 and a 9.5/10 respectively, but I don’t think it’s anywhere near as bad as a lot of people make out. It’s certainly entertaining and I really love the scene in the lab with all the freaky Ripley clones. It also gets an extra point for being the goriest movie in the franchise and in that regard it’s much more to my taste than “AVP” which just felt totally neutered to me. I think I’d give “Alien: Resurrection” a high 6.5 or maybe a 7/10. Can’t make up my mind right now.

            – David

          • Dear Jay and David,

            I’m with you 100% on Alien: Resurrection. I love that movie for some unknown reason. It’s not even the “it’s so bad it’s good”, it’s something else that I can’t quite describe. But I love it and although I also don’t think it holds a candle to the first two, it’s still one of the good Alien movies in my book.

            Alien: 10
            Aliens: 9.5
            Alien Resurrection: 7

          • @Juan (and David):
            I think the reason “Alien: Resurrection” works is because it’s still a fun / decent sci-fi horror flick, even if it’s not a great “Alien” movie…

            If that baby were named something different (and weren’t penalized for being part of the “Alien” franchise), then I think it would be almost as appreciated as “Event Horizon.”

            Truly, it’s the kind of film (like “Tremors,” for example) that didn’t have a great box office reception when it was in theaters, but it would have been beloved once it hit video — again, if it weren’t associated with that franchise.
            JOTD

  7. I voted on the poll question before listening to the episode and I’d like to change my vote. I said I didn’t want anything but horror, but after listening to Dr Shock’s reasoning and recommendations, I’d like to hear some opinions and reviews of movies that I normally wouldn’t watch like maybe sci-fi. Also the example of talking about Quentin Tarantino movies is an amazing idea! Thanks so much for all that u do!

    • I’m a little torn on this question. I feel like introducing non-horror is the thin edge of the wedge. You would have to work to remain focused on horror because there are so many great movies in other genres.

      That said, there are likely opportunities to discuss ‘fringe’ movies that have horror elements, but may not be fully classified as horror. I am thinking of films like Silence of the Lambs, Seven and the like (as David also mentions above).

      I say keep it horror and if one of you famous ‘tangents’ pops up that takes us in another direction for a while, we’ll forgive us; unless its a Twilight Tangent 😉

      The Dude

      • I would love to hear reviews/thoughts on Silence of the Lambs and Seven! Also when I say sci-fi, I don’t mean like Star Trek…I talking more along the lines of Alien, Event Horizon, etc. But I totally agree, no Twilight! Lol

        • Ah I loves me some Event Horizon…it might make my top 10 90s horror flicks. I remember seeing it in the theatre with a less than impressed ex girlfriend. Hahaha

          • “Event Horizon” is an 8/10 for me. A very underrated movie in my opinion and the only Paul W.S Anderson movie I’ve seen that’s been any good.

        • I agree 100% with every single thing David wrote just one comment above regarding “Event Horizon.” (AVP: Alien vs. Predator and surprisingly — Pompeii — are tolerable.)

          • AVP was an abomination. I felt like Paul WS Anderson spit in the face all both franchise fans. AVP Requiem was a much better flick, but still far from what the fans deserve.

          • “AVP” is another good example of my being a harsh rating jerk. 2/10 for me. Gone was the gory violence of “Predator” and gone was the atmospheric suspense of “Alien”. Replaced by awful, gimmicky bullet time effects, crappy dialogue, characters I couldn’t care less about and Predators that looked like they’d just got off filming the latest Royal Rumble. Even worse than all that I got the distinct feeling that this movie had been tailored by a committee to appeal to the widest audience possible and in doing so they compromised everything that made the source franchises special.

  8. Guys, I didn’t get to watch as many horror movies as I would’ve liked, because I’ve been trying to catch up on some shows (and some games) that I’ve been neglecting like:

    The Walking Dead (finally caught up with season four and super excited for the next season!)
    Eastbound and Down (this show is genius, one of my favorite shows of all time)
    Hello Ladies (kind of a letdown. It’s cancellation makes sense, but still glad I watched it)

    Anyway, I did get to watch one movie and here are my thoughts on it:

    Halloween (2007)
    John Carpenter’s Halloween is one my favorite movies of all time. Like 50 Cent put it so eloquently: I love it like a fat kid loves cake. It’s not my first time watching Rob Zombie’s version, in fact before today, his version was ok in my book. I think Zombie meant well with this remake of his. He clearly has a solid knowledge of the genre, he has respect and love for it in spades, and it shows in everything he does. But in all honesty, I think he did Halloween a disservice.

    In trying to better understand the character of Michael Myers, he pulled a George Lucas and gave us an in depth look at a character whose mystery is more important than its backstory. The original Halloween gave us a glimpse of the past. It showed us young Michael and it showed us what he did and the consequences it had on him. That’s all we needed to know from the man behind the mask. We didn’t need to know what his family was like, we didn’t need to know the extent of his twisted mind, we didn’t need to know how he spent his time at the Sanitarium. The mystery surrounding Michael Myers is a big part of the appeal of not only the character itself, but the movie as a whole. In Rob Zombie’s version, that mystery vanished, and the backstory that we were treated to didn’t have the impact needed to propulse the character and/or story to new heights. It didn’t even feel like we were being told something new, it just felt like the five minutes or so that Carpenter spent on the origins of Michael were stretched to about 40 minutes of stylish fluff. I believe there’s room for a backstory, but it needs to be treated with a level of sophistication, wit, and maturity, that in my opinion, Rob Zombie lacks at the moment.

    I’m not uncomfortable with the level of cursing and vulgarity present in all of Zombie’s films, but I found it to be detrimental in this case. His movies all have a very specific look and feel and it just made me think that this movie took place in the same universe as House of 1000 Corpses and The Devil’s Rejects. And for me that was enough to take me out of the movie. I understand the need to portray a family so dysfunctional and vile, but I think it could have been handled in a more tasteful way.

    I’m a fan of Rob Zombie. I like his music, his movies, and I absolutely love his aesthetics. But I felt like his style clashed with what Carpenter established a long time ago. Not everything was negative though. There are things that worked well in the remake that actually improved on the original. For instance, Michael’s strength and physicality were portrayed beautifully. The way he walked, his size, his strength, his intensity, and his overall presence were a nice upgrade that make the original Michael seem like he could be destroyed by this new incarnation of him. The new mask is nice. I wouldn’t necessarily call it better than the original, but it’s an interesting and scarier version that is more than welcome. The nods to Rob Zombie’s influences were nice and are pretty fun to catch on repeat viewings.

    Rob Zombie’s Halloween is not a terrible movie, but it’s not the updated version that I hoped for and it’s a far cry from what Carpenter did. The inclusion of young Michael was ultimately an unnecessary failed attempt at developing a character that didn’t need it. There’s really funny bit from one of Patton Oswalt’s stand ups that I think applies. In it he makes fun of George Lucas for showing us young Darth Vader. He ends that bit by saying “I don’t give a shit where the stuff I love comes from. I just love the stuff I love”. And although it’s unfair to compare Rob Zombie to George Lucas, I think it illustrates my general feelings towards this movie. I give this a 5 and I give the original a 10.

    • While I’m not as big a Halloween fan as you are Juan (though don’t get me wrong, I do consider it a masterpiece) I totally agree with all of your sentiments regarding Zombies remake. I think he should be applauded for trying to do something original and subversive with the remake, he’s obviously a film-maker who takes the genre seriously and is passionate about what he does, but for me it just didn’t work here. In essence he demystified a character whose enigmatic relentlessness was what made him so creepy and effective in the first place. I’ve only ever seen the “Halloween” remake once (maybe it’s another film I should revisit) but as it stands I’d come in with the same as you; 5/10.

  9. Inspired by some of the other commenter’s posting their ratings and mini reviews for movies they’ve been watching lately I’ve decided to copy and paste some of my relatively recent letterboxd reviews here:

    The Ghost of Yotsuya (1959)

    This is a beautifully atmospheric Japanese morality tale/ghost story. Our main character is truly reprehensible and you’d be forgiven for assuming that this fact might make the movie a tough sit but in fact I found myself compelled the entire time; his closet of skeletons grows crowded and when it all finally comes back to bite him in the ass the pay-off is superb and despite our sympathies falling on the side of the ghost, the direction and effects still manage to imbue the haunting scenes with some genuine moments of terror.

    The sets and cinematography were wonderful and although the supernatural element doesn’t enter until close to the end, the whole thing still moves along at a very good pace. Some of the scenes are also pretty gruesome by ’59 standards. Excellent stuff. 8.5/10

    The Amityville Horror (2005)

    It’s honestly been so long since I watched the original that I don’t feel comfortable looking at the remake from a comparative standpoint so I’ll just review it as a stand alone movie.

    And…. it’s just average really. Just generic, predictable Hollywood ghost-fare. Some scenes were definitely effective, the acting wasn’t bad, the pacing was fine, the effects were pretty good and it was mercifully conservative with the CGI (at least until that lame final jump-scare). It certainly succeeded in creeping me out in a few scenes and in building up a feel of tension and dread but unfortunately, to the films detriment, it succumbs to way too many annoying modern horror trappings: obnoxious music stingers whenever we’re supposed to jump, that awful quick cut editing style that makes me feel like I’m watching a Korn music video from 2001 and of course the aforementioned final jump-scare which just left the awful taste of gimmicky CGI and pointlessness in my mouth.

    So at the end of the day some positives but enough negatives to bring it down to a totally average rating. 5/10.

    Matango: Attack of the Mushroom People (1963)

    Recently I’ve been trying to find tokusatsu movies that have more of an atmospheric horror bent than your average kaiju or super sentai fare. This movie fits the bill perfectly!

    A group on a boating trip fall afoul of heavy seas and end up stranded on an eerie island where they set up camp unaware of the surreal terror that lurks in the nearby forest: mutant mushrooms. Awesome.

    While some viewers may find the pacing too slow here, I welcomed the character development and gradual escalation of despair and dread. Each of the characters is distinct and a great deal of the tension earlier in the film comes from their bickering and attempts at self-preservation but all throughout this there is an underlying nightmarish quality which culminates in a finale that manages to be both charmingly goofy (in keeping with the VERY 60’s feel of the whole thing) and genuinely frightening and bleak.

    For what it is this movie was extremely well made, with an excellent mood established by creative special effects and some great sets. A very entertaining and strangely unsettling film and one I’d recommend to anyone wanting a monster movie that’s a little different from the norm. 7.5/10.

    Tarantula (1955)

    So here we have what might be considered a quintessential 50’s giant monster movie. There’s little on offer here aside from what that description might suggest, but it does what it does with aplomb. Extremely impressive composite effects combined with solid cinematography lend a skin-crawling quality to scenes of the titular arachnid creeping about the desert landscape and aside from what may have been a few inconsistencies with the size of the spider, it’s a near flawless execution that remains impressive. The acting and script here are nothing to write home about (although Leo G. Carroll’s character is somewhat nuanced) but we came for a giant mutant spider and that’s exactly what we got. 7/10

    Apologies for the lengthiness of this post!

    – David

    • Great reviews, man! Matango and Tarantula seem right up my alley. I can’t wait to check them out. The Ghost of Yotsuya sounds interesting. I like slow movies so I’ll definitely check that one out. I’ve seen The Amityville Horror remake and I remember liking it just fine, but I don’t remember any specifics so that just lets me know that it probably wasn’t that memorable.

      • Thanks you my friend! A big part of the reason I love “The Ghost of Yotsuya” is that I have a lot of affection for Japanese culture and aesthetics and to an extent the movie plays out like a period drama, thus it is rife with such elements. I’m not sure I’d recommend it to somebody wanting a movie that’s non-stop horror from start to finish but it does get pretty creepy towards the end, especially for a 50’s movie, and I’d imagine some of those scenes might have been quite influential on more modern J-horror movies.

        • I’m also a lover of Japanese culture. I’m huge on anime, videogames, and Japanese cinema in general. Although I have to admit that my knowledge of martial arts movies far outweighs my knowledge of J-horror. You know, I’m not a fan of period dramas, but it’s more for a lack of exposure than anything else. I’m still intrigued by your description of the movie though.

    • This does look interesting. I’m getting a sort of “Dexter” meets “Funny Games” vibe. I hated that group of guys just from watching the trailer which makes me want to see the movie just to watch them get freakin’ killed. The concept also has the potential to do some pretty interesting stuff with genre conventions and I hope it lives up to that potential.

      Thanks for posting this The Dude!

    • Ha! That does look pretty damn cool. I love Wes Bentley. I think he’s a bit u underused. He was great in P2 and American Beauty of course.

  10. Yet another review of an old Japanese horror movie:

    Jigoku (1960)

    So far I’ve only seen two of Nobuo Nakagawa’s movies; this one and the “The Ghost of Yotsuya” which came out the previous year. Of the two I feel that this is the lesser film, however I also feel that it’s probably the one more deserving of a place in history.

    Unlike “Yotsuya” this is set in then contemporary 1960 Japan but, that point aside, the two films share several similarities: A large portion of the running time of both movies is taken up by a series of escalating dramatic events with little emphasis on horror until both culminate in grisly, supernatural finales. Both films also focus on moral transgression/missteps which lead to said finales. But while I felt “Yotsuya” flowed naturally and maintained my interest throughout “Jigoku” suffered from a tendency to meander and an over reliance on plot contrivance, though I’ll be the first to admit that these problems may be due more to my lack of knowledge with regards to the cultural context of the story. Where “Jigoku” really shines however, is in it’s latter section which focuses on the tortures endured by our characters in a Japanese vision of hell. It’s often stated that Herschell Gordon Lewis is the godfather of gore but after seeing the final act of this movie I’d be A-okay with Nakagawa challenging that title. “Jigoku” was released a full 3 years before “Blood Feast” and features some scenes of truly demented torture and bloodshed that are undeniably shocking considering the period in which they were filmed. In fact it’s for this reason that “Jigoku” should be a point of interest for most horror fans and a necessity for anybody curious about the early days of splatter cinema.

    – David

  11. Just a quick question for Jay.
    Who’s going to pay the dry cleaning bill for my shorts after that demonic voice came screaming through my headphones.
    haha, well done guys

    • Ha ha! Thanks for noticing. When Doc was telling me that story in the middle of the night, he was telling it with a lot of pauses and build-up, so I thought he was going to try to get me with some scary voice…

      He didn’t, but I thought — These are Horror fans! I’ll insert a scary demon voice! They’ll love it / deserve it. : )

      A horror movie podcast worth its salt should also be scary in its own right!
      JOTD

      • The demon voice was great and that whole segment got me thinking that a nightmare themed episode might be a cool idea sometime. You could cover movies that have that distinct nightmarish quality (The Beyond, Lost Highway, In the Mouth of Madness and obviously Nightmare on Elm Street are a few that I think fit the bill) and you could also discuss some of the worst nightmares you’ve had.

        I have this recurring one where I wake up in the middle of the night and my bedroom door is open and there’s just this pair of legs, clad in jeans and cut off in a grisly fashion at the waist, standing in the doorway.

        • David,
          I think legs in jeans cut off at the waist comes from “The Mist” (2007). That movie has everything you described above, except they’re not standing in a doorway … … They’re being dragged back to the doorway. ha ha.
          JOTD

          • Jay, I never actually drew that parallel before and I’m a fan of “The Mist” but I’m pretty certain I first had the dream before I ever saw it.

            I’m kind of worried as to where the rest of the guy is. I don’t want to see those legs standing there bereft of an upper body and then feel something climbing up under my covers!

        • Speaking of nightmare themed episode, I just watched Never Sleep Again: The Elm Street Legacy. It’s a documentary on ALL Nightmare on Elm Street movies including the tv show and Freddy Vs. Jason, but excluding the Nightmare on Elm Street remake. It is four hours long, so I advice to think twice before watching it if you’re not that big of a fan of the series. But for fans, this is pure, solid gold. The amount of behind the scenes, the in-depth look at the special effects used, the number of actors they managed to get together, the crazy stories and anecdotes told, all of it is great in quantity and quality. I know four hours is a long time to invest, but I think it’s well worth it. I’m a big fan of the series and even though it’s very uneven, I still like all of the movies and I love the fact that they’re so different, that it never feels like you’re watching the same thing over and over. And after watching this documentary, you’ll see why the unevenness and even learn to appreciate it. As a fan I might be biased, but you can’t argue with the content. I give this a 9.5. only because there were a couple of actors they didn’t manage to get, but it’s understandable why they couldn’t. I say watch it right now while it’s streaming on Netflix.

  12. Oh yeah!!!

    Thanks for featuring my recommendation.

    You did an excellent review on The Road 2011, Jay. And knowing your standards, I’m glad you gave it a 6 out of 10. Nice!

    Keep on, guys!

  13. So, I finally watched the French film, Inside! Wow, that’s a brutally disturbing horror film. I was tense the entire time and squirming in my seat…I was afraid my wife would walk in…8 out of 10! I can’t remember when you guys recommended it, but thanks!

  14. I feel like Doc should switch his Indie Slog segment to a horror documentary segment. Maybe call it Real Horror, or something like that.

    • Great find man. The 80’s inspired approach as suggested by the description is exactly the kind of thing that appeals to me. Artful practical effects and a sense of fun as well as the macabre; I’m pretty much sold on that!

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