Horror Movie Podcast Ep. 020: Deliver Us From Evil (2014) and Horror on the Fourth of July

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Better late than never! We’re finally bringing you HORROR MOVIE PODCAST, Episode 020 a week behind schedule… Sorry! Jay of the Dead’s computer died, and we were delayed a week from our anticipated July 4, 2014 release. To celebrate Independence Day, we put together an episode of “Horror on the Fourth of July.” Wolfman Josh and Jay of the Dead also bring you a review of “Deliver Us From Evil” (2014). Join us! Thanks for listening.

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SHOW NOTES:
I. Introduction
— Halloween falling on Movie Release Friday
— Trailer for “Dracula Untold”
— Monsters as heroes

II. Feature Review: DELIVER US FROM EVIL (2014)
Jay of the Dead = 5.5 ( Rental )
Wolfman Josh = 8 ( Rental )

III. Feature Review: JAWS (1975)
Jay of the Dead = 10 ( Buy it! )
Wolfman Josh = 10 ( Buy it! )
Dr. Shock = 10 ( Buy it! )

IV. Feature Review: CAPE FEAR (1991)
Jay of the Dead = 6 ( Rental )
Wolfman Josh = 8 ( Buy it! )
Dr. Shock = 7 ( Buy it! )

V. Feature Review: I KNOW WHAT YOU DID LAST SUMMER (1997)
Jay of the Dead = 5.5 ( Low-priority Rental )
Wolfman Josh = 5 ( High-priority Rental )
Dr. Shock = 6 ( Rental )

VI. Feature Review: UNCLE SAM (1997)
Jay of the Dead = 5.5 ( Rental )
Dr. Shock = 6.5 ( Rental )

VII. Sneak Peek of THE PURGE: ANARCHY (2014)
Willis Wheeler = 8.5 ( Theater / Buy it! )

VIII. Wrap-Up:

NEXT ON HMP — IN ABOUT ONE WEEK: Releasing on Saturday, July 19, 2014 — Episode 021. Definitely don’t miss it!

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Jay of the Dead

20 thoughts on “Horror Movie Podcast Ep. 020: Deliver Us From Evil (2014) and Horror on the Fourth of July

  1. It sure is great to hear Doc, Wolfman and Jay back together again!

    Anyway I’m only a short way into the episode so far but I wanted to take some time to address the issue that Jay raised about sympathetic monsters being less scary.

    This is a concept that endlessly fascinates me and while I’m in agreement with Jay to a certain extent, I think it’ll be interesting to elaborate on this. Personally my take on the matter is dependent on whether we’re talking about “Monsters” in the specific sense or using it as a blanket term for all horror movie antagonists. Generally I will find an actual physical “Monster” (something ferocious, non-human and dangerous) far scarier if it is presented as a reasonless killing machine or an enigmatic and mysterious force of evil. The same would also apply to Slasher movies. If we’re happy to call Jason and Michael “Monsters” then they too are of the variety that is most effective when bereft of complicated back stories and sympathetic traits. To me there’s something much scarier about somebody coming to kill you if you have no idea why they are doing it or if there’s any chance of appealing to some element of humanity that might lurk beneath their murderous exterior. If we are given too much insight into the kind of “Monster” which poses us the threat of physical harm then we come to view said “Monster” as possessing inherently human traits. The sense of threat is somewhat compromised because there’s more potential to appeal to those human traits in an attacker who is shown as a entity deserving of sympathy and possessing relatable emotions. If we can sympathise with a “Monster” then maybe we can also reason with it.

    Now for the type of “Monster” whose potency is less compromised by a sympathetic nature; the Ghost. I love supernatural horror movies and for the most part it’s the only sub-genre that can genuinely terrify me. That’s not to say that I won’t find a Cannibal movie disturbing or a Slasher movie suspenseful, but the Ghost movie is the only type of film that gets me to the point that I don’t want to look in the mirror when I’m taking a leak in the middle of the night in case there’s something behind me. No other type of film will infect me with that unique, creepy, skin-crawling paranoia that can leave me frightened to open my eyes in case there’s something otherworldly stood over the bed. Now I’m a fairly sceptical person; I’m Agnostic and generally not one to take something at face value yet I still find Ghosts really scary and even when they are given a sympathetic back-story their ability to terrify me is seldom diluted. I think what this really comes down to is that the scariness of a Ghost is not generally reliant on it being a threat to our physical well-being. It is our psychological well being that is threatened by this variety of “Monster”. The fear of simply seeing a ghost is what really gets to me. I have no idea how I would act and how my mental state would be affected by such an event. Once we see a ghost, even if it is a sympathetic figure, even if it means us no physical harm, an entire Pandora’s Box of psychological implications is opened. Could they be around us all the time? Is one standing beside me right now? Imagine having to cope for the rest of your life knowing that a dead person could be watching you every moment, that one could appear to you at any time, that there is nowhere at all safe from a potential encounter. I think it’s these implications that truly terrify me and therefore the actual motive of the Ghost as a “Monster” and the level of sympathy it elicits are less important with regards to its ability to terrify.

    Of course the above thoughts are just my personal opinions and there are always exceptions. Anyway, again I must apologise for a horribly bloated comment.
    I’ll go back to listening now.

    – David

    • I think you make a lot of really solid points, David. I agree with many of them. And yes, I love the faceless specter of Michael Myers in the original Halloween. But, I also enjoyed Rob Zombie’s take on the character. In Scream, the villain preaches that it’s “much scarier if there’s no motive,” but of course, that is immediately undercut by the revelation that the motive is in fact primal and deep. To me, there is sometimes nothing scarier or more nausea-inducing than a villain whose character is so well-developed that, even though what they’re doing is morally reprehensible, you understand why they are doing it, even empathize with their reasons for doing it, even though you know it is wrong too. To me, that crosses into an even deeper level of horror, forcing the audience to come to terms with their own values and morals. Let the Right One in is a perfect example of that for me. I actually had that feeling in the theater this week with Dawn of the Planet of the Apes as well. I like (and loathe) being put in that moral dilemma and not knowing what I’d do.

      • Thanks for the reply Josh! It’s always interesting to hear your insight into this sort of thing and you raise an excellent point.

        I think almost all horror films have introspective psychological implications (at least to a certain extent) but as a matter of personal preference I for the most part enjoy the genre as a means of escapism. My tastes veer more towards the “fun” feel of 80’s horror or elements of the genre that might best be described as “spooky” or “creepy” rather than overtly and psychologically disturbing (and here I refer to the psychological disturbance of finding something inherently troubling about oneself or human nature in general rather than my earlier description of the psychological implications of Ghost movies). That said I certainly appreciate when a horror movie actually has the ability to truly disturb on a deep psychological level. An antagonist who is written well enough to be sympathetic and relatable without detriment to their standing as a figure of fear can raise issues about out own internal morality and can play into the Jungian notion that our outwardly projected fears are manifestations of the Shadow Self. Being forced to question ones own internal morality and finding it flawed or contradictory can be a very frightening thing.

        It’s my opinion that in most genres, and storytelling in general, the best or at least most realistic villain is someone who doesn’t see themselves as a villain at all; rather they are the protagonist in their own story and feel justified in their acts (the replicants in “Bladerunner” being the first example that springs to mind). However I would suggest that Horror is a genre where this approach shouldn’t always be applied. Often the focus of the human drama in a horror narrative is more to do with the internal struggle within a core group of characters with the antagonist purely acting as an almost unknowable outside force pressing in on the situation (“Alien”, “The Thing”, “Day of the Dead” being good examples). Of course this isn’t always the case and if handled correctly, a good complex villain can be very effective in this genre, but I find this is seldom the case and often when such a character is attempted in this context it will back-fire to some degree.

        Anyway, all this is starting to get very convoluted and probably self-contradictory, but I think that’s just because there are no real absolutes with this kind of thing. It amounts to asking the question: “If a horror movie is made more compelling and interesting but less frightening because a villain is given more complex or sympathetic character traits, does that make it a worse horror movie? Or a better movie? Both?”

        I’ll be damned if I know.

        – David

  2. Noooooo this didn’t last long enough. I’m already finished. Now what?

    Great episode you guys! I love the movies that you picked though I’ve only seen two of them. Jaws is just a masterpiece. It’s one of the movies that marked my childhood forever and I’ve probably seen it like 30+ times (and that’s a modest estimate). I’m not sure if Jaws is really the cause, but I don’t love the beach haha. I have tons of great memories of my family and I at the beach, but for some reason I stopped loving it as an adult. Sharks do scare me, but I think more than that it’s the fact that I can’t see what’s beneath the water that makes me really uncomfortable. Anyway, there’s just no other movie that I associate more with sharks or the ocean than Jaws. It’s a 10 for me.

    I Know What You Did Last Summer is dear to me since I saw it at a time when I wasn’t as critical of movies as I am now. Besides that, I think this is just clean, harmless fun. Like the recently discussed Phantoms, this is not great cinema, but it’s entertaining. Because of that, it gets points from me. This gets a 6.5 from me and it’s a definite ’90s must watch.

    Josh why don’t you like Sarah Michelle Gellar? I agree that she’s not a great actress, but her run in Buffy the Vampire Slayer was great. No? Anyone a fan of the show?

    • I wish I had a better explanation than “she bugs” but that’s it. I find her grating. I don’t like looking at her face or hearing her voice. Haha. That sounds terrible, but it is honest.

      I was very annoyed that they cast her as Daphne in Scooby Doo. No bueno. James Gunn wrote that script and the casting of Lillard and Cardellini was brilliant! It could have actually been a great movie! But, FPJr and SMG were terrible choices for those iconic roles and the director was (and is) terrible.

      My favorite performance of SMG’s is in Scream 2, but I could honestly do without it too. Not a fan.

      As far as Buffy goes, I will admit I haven’t given it a fair shake, but I’ve tried to get into it several times with no luck. I know it is controversial amongst Whedon adherents, but I far prefer the Buffy movie to the television show and I absolutely love Kristy Swanson in the titular role. I am planning on giving Buffy one last chance after I finish up Hemlock Grove, but this is it for SMG.

      • Hahaha nice! Ok so, exactly what is it that bugs you about poor Buffy? Is it her physique? Her acting? Her voice? Her persona? Personally, I find her adorable. She’s super cute and the role of Buffy is a perfect fit. I didn’t love the Buffy movie. I think it’s ok, but I haven’t revisited it so maybe I’ll have a different opinion after having seen the show. Josh! Hemlock Grove is terrible! What are you doing watching that? You should be watching Buffy instead!

        Yeah, i didn’t love the casting of SMG and FPJ in Scooby Doo either, but let’s be honest, even with a better cast, that movie was not going to be any better than it is.

        Speaking of women that bug, for some reason I can’t stand Amy Adams. I know she’s a good actress and people seem to think she’s super talented and hot, but I can’t stand to see her in anything. Like you said, she just bugs me to no end. So yeah, I know where you’re coming from, man.

  3. Great episode so far gentlemen.
    I just wanted to add to your conversation about Jaws being based, loosely, on real events.
    There are a couple of books out there based on this story that are a little more factually based. One is more of a narrative style novel called Closer To Shore

    http://www.amazon.com/Close-Shore-Story-Terror-Innocence/dp/0767904133/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1405259691&sr=8-1&keywords=closer+to+shore

    The second novel is called 12 Days Of Terror and has a bit more of an academic feel to it, but it is also good.

    http://www.amazon.com/Twelve-Days-Terror-Definitive-Investigation/dp/1585745758/ref=pd_sim_b_2?ie=UTF8&refRID=0TBGWKZ6NGTJTXKDPYZ9

    Finally there was a TV movie from 2005 by the same title, 12 Days of Terror starring John Rhys-Davies. It is a period piece set in 1916 about these shark attacks. Although it isn’t the best movie, it is still pretty enjoyable.

    Just in case anyone is looking for some more information on this topic!

    The Dud

  4. The 1990s have the reputation of being the wasteland decade of horror cinema. It came hot on the heels of the 1980s where the slasher reigned supreme and the advancement of practical effects and more sex and violence than one can shake a stick at left their indelible mark on the viewers. Many of us pine for these days still. And let’s not forget about the 1970s when horror started to take a more realistic view point. Things were more gritty and gone were the warm and fuzzy days of the Universal Monsters.

    All this being said, there were still some great films to come out of the 90s. Perhaps the weren’t masterpieces and perhaps they didn’t push the envelop like some of the offerings from the previous two decades, but they were entertaining. I have complied a list of movies that I have personally enjoyed that came out during this much frowned upon decade:

    -Ravenous (1999)
    -Scream (1996)
    -Tremors (1990)
    -Dead Alive (1992)
    -In The Mouth Of Madness (1995)
    -Candy Man (1992)
    -Stir of Echoes (1999)
    -Ringu (1998)
    -The Blair Witch Project (1999)
    -Sleepy Hollow (1999)
    -Cube(1997)
    -Event Horizon (1997)
    -Night Of The Living Dead-Remake (1990)
    -From Dusk Til Dawn (1996)
    -Lake Placid (1999)
    -Exorcist III (1990)
    -The House On Haunted Hill – Remake (1999)
    -Wes Craven’s New Nightmare (which really laid the ground work for Scream)
    -Bordello of Blood (very guilty pleasure)
    -Arachnophobia (1990)
    -The Frighteners (1996)
    -Nightbreed (1990)
    -IT (1990)
    -Frankenstein Unbound
    -Body Parts (1991)
    -The Dark Half (1993)
    -Needful Things (1993)
    -Return of the Living Dead III (1993)
    -The Beast – Mini Series (1996)
    -Funny Games(1997)
    -Mimic (1997)
    -Vampires (1998)
    -Urban Legend (1998)
    -Deep Blue Sea (I’m a sucker for shark movies)
    -Audition (1999)

    I know that not all of these flicks are great and very few of them pushed the boundaries of horror, but hey…they’re fun flicks.

    Feel free to add your own if I have missed any or not seen some of them.

    The Dude

    • There’s one or two on there that I’m not a big fan of but this is an absolutely awesome list man! You’ve covered most of the important stuff as well as some more obscure fare. Really well done and I’m glad you’re defending the 90’s. Although I’d never pretend it was anywhere close to the 70’s or 80’s in terms of quality and quantity of horror movies I do have a fondness for this decade; being born in 87, the 90’s was the decade that most of my fondest childhood memories belong to but that nostalgia factor aside I still think people are a little too fast to dismiss the horror from this period.

      Here’s a few additions of my own, though I should note that while some of these are excellent, others aren’t that great, but they’d all get a 5.5 rating or higher from me and would be worth a watch at least once:

      The Sixth Sense (1999)
      Cemetery Man (1994)
      Se7en (1995)*
      Silence of the Lambs (1991)*
      Misery (1990)*
      Necronomicon (1993)
      Don’t Look Up (1996)
      Thinner (1996)
      Castle Freak (1995)
      Jacobs Ladder (1990)*
      Hiruko the Goblin (1991)
      The Night Flier (1997)
      Popcorn (1990)
      Troll 2 (1990)

      I’d also like to point out that the 90’s gave us “The X-files” which is one of my all time favourite shows and had a high percentage of episodes that would easily fall into the horror category.

      * I totally class these movies as horror and I blame mainstream movie critics for attaching the psychological thriller label to any horror movies that happen to gain acclaim rather than admitting to their enjoyment of something from such a lowly and primitive genre.

      • Daved you’ve added some great films to the list. I purposely left movies like Misery, Silence of the Lambs and Seven off the list because of the heavy debate over their horror elements. Regards these are all great films to pop in for an great nights entertainment.

        I really struggled as to whether or not I should include Cemetery Man on my list. This movie had so much promise and I always get excited to see it again and I’m always let down. Perhaps it is just too bizarre or disjointed, but I have a hard time being won over by this film.
        All that being said I might dust off my old VHS copy of it in the near future and give it another shot!

        • I totally understand you omitting “Misery”, “Silence of the Lambs” etc, because horror fans can sometimes get a little uppity about what should and shouldn’t be classed as horror. But speaking from a personal point of view, I want to be recommended as many movies that could even loosely be considered horror as possible, so long as they’re good films. I don’t get the sort of exclusivity that some horror fans seem to promote. I understand the importance and usefulness of genre classifications, but I’d never write-off a movie because it doesn’t align perfectly with the conventions of the genre I’m most interested in. This is actually a subject I’d love to hear these guys do a podcast about, It’d be interesting to hear peoples arguments for and against why something like “Silence of the Lambs” should/shouldn’t be classed as horror.

          Also I’m kind of with you when it comes to “Cemetery Man”. I included it because it’s notable as a unique and interesting horror movie but I find that I have to be in a very specific frame of mind to enjoy it. I also find that it’s kind of tonally awkward. It has some scenes where I’m not sure if it’s supposed to be darkly comedic or horrific/dramatic. But maybe that’s just me being a dumbass!

  5. Guys:
    Always good to hear a new podcast, late or not. I saw Deliver us From Evil also and it did remind me of Seven and The Exorcist. The whole Exorcism thing didn’t set well with me for some reason. Seems like it was too forced. I was also wanting it to be more cult like. I still thought it was a pretty good movie, but thought it was a little too much of the normal Exorcism movie. It might be that I’ve seen too many of them. : ) I will give it a 6.5
    It’s too bad the 90’s get stuck with the whole Teen Scream theme. My favorite is The Craft. I can always relate to the whole “outcast” idea. There were a lot of good Horror movies to come out in the 90’s. Event Horizon, Flatliners, Silence of the Lambs, From Dust Til Dawn, Blair Witch and Candyman are some pretty good ones. It’s not my favorite era for horror movies, but it deserves more credit than it gets.
    I really hope Purge: Anarchy is as good as Willis lets on to. The first one was pretty much crap in my eyes. So many things pissed me off in that movie. It does have the chance to have several other sequels. They could do a lot of cool things with it. I hope Hollywood doesn’t screw it up again!
    I did see Dawn of the Planet of the Apes. It is a very good movie. Not too much to complain about. The theme I got out of it was the Humans and Apes are very similar. I won’t spoil anything, but I will give it a 9.
    Keep up the good work guys. Hands down the best Horror Podcast.

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