Horror Movie Podcast Ep. 029: Halloween H20: 20 Years Later (1998) and Halloween: Resurrection (2002) – Part 3 of 5

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Episode 029 is Part 3 of the HORROR MOVIE PODCAST HALLOWEEN EXTRAVAGANZA… This is a five-part series, where your hosts — and some great guests — cover the entire Halloween franchise in-depth, Horror Movie Podcast-style…

In Episode 029, your hosts Jay of the Dead, Wolfman Josh and Dr. Shock bring you in-depth movie reviews of Halloween H20: 20 Years Later (1998) and Halloween: Resurrection (2002). Our special guest for this show was slated to be Haddonfield Hatchet, but he got called to work. Even so, he still sends us his ratings and recommendations on these two films. Plus, HH will be joining us in the fifth and final part of this Halloween Extravaganza for our Franchise Overview on October 31.

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SHOW NOTES:

[ 0:01:42 ] I. Feature Review: HALLOWEEN H20: 20 YEARS LATER (1998)
Jay of the Dead = 7.5 ( Buy it! )
Wolfman Josh = 9.5 ( Buy it! )
Dr. Shock = 8 ( Buy it! )
Haddonfield Hatchet = 8 ( Buy it! )


[ 0:58:41 ] II. Feature Review: HALLOWEEN: RESURRECTION (2002)
Jay of the Dead = 6 ( Rental )
Wolfman Josh = 7 ( Rental )
Dr. Shock = 5 ( Rental )
Haddonfield Hatchet = 5.5 ( Rental )


III. Wrap-Up / Plugs / Ending

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Dr. Shock’s other horror podcast: Land of the Creeps

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32 thoughts on “Horror Movie Podcast Ep. 029: Halloween H20: 20 Years Later (1998) and Halloween: Resurrection (2002) – Part 3 of 5

    • Wait. Is this about the H 2 O thing? Because that bothers me too. It might sound like some’thing’, but it’s really nothing. It is meaningless. But maybe this is something else entirely.

      • Yep, Levi, Willis is razzing me about the H20 versus H2O thing…

        It’s just plain problematic… Even if we called it “H Twenty,” that would indicate to me that it’s the 20th installment of the franchise, and it’s not. That’s like “Leonard Part 6” (there were not five — or any — preceding Leonards…).

        As I said in this episode, using “H2O” suggests some sort of aquatic tie-in… But it should have simply been named: “Halloween: 20 Years Later.”

        Here are some similar movie titles that sort of work:
        Se7en. Tak3n. Step Up 2: The Streets. Not great, but you can see what they were going for.

        I guess I’d be OK with “Waterworld: H2O.” Or “The Abyss: H2O.”

        J-ZERO-TD

          • Jay, I have a love/hate relationship with the way you get hung up on the tiniest of details. On one hand, it bugs me that your score of a movie suffers because of things that you find annoying, but that play an insignificant role when looking at the big picture. On the other hand, I like that you pick up on things that no one else does (or bothers to). I wish I had examples of both sides of the coin, but unfortunately none are coming to mind at the moment. Anyway, just know that loved or hated, I still appreciate those moments and at the end of the day they don’t infuriate me like they do Josh but rather make me smile.

          • It makes me smile as a passing comment. A funny moment. It only infuriates me when Im asked to comment on it as if it has any actual merit. But, guys, I promise that I don’t hate Jason. He’s the ying to my yang. The Mr. Glass to my Unbreakable. The Xamot to my Tomax. The Bill to my Ted. He completes me.

  1. I believe it was Wolfman Josh that commented about amount of masks used in H20. There were 4 which can all be seen throughout the movie. The opening scenes he’s wearing a mask that closely resembles what was worn in “The Curse”. He then can be seen wearing one which is most often referred to as the “KNB” mask. It’s very plain and unusual looking which is why I suppose they decided to change. For that reason the next mask is a CGI mask. It’s really weird and sticks out like a sore thumb when you see it (when he kills Charlie). Finally there is the final mask which you see throughout the majority of the movie.

    • Super-weird, and I didn’t even notice a difference until someone pointed it out. Even now, if I’m not thinking about it, it doesn’t register. I do like where they ended-up, though.

      • It boggles my mind how difficult getting a Michael Myer’s mask can be. It seems that on every movie since The Return of Michael Myers there has been controversy and adjustments made mid-film. I wonder how much money was spent with reshoots because ‘someone’ didn’t like the look of the mask and it was changed during production.

        I’m with Doc on this…I really didn’t notice the subtle changes film over film, nor do I really care. My biggest gripe about the mask was whether it was tucked into his coveralls or overtop.

        • That boggled my mind when Doc said it and you’ve boggled my mind again here, Dude. The masks are honestly my biggest complaints with 4&5 because they pull me out of the experience from the start and I have to constantly fight that feeling. It’s like if there was a boom mic in every shot that was supposed to be scary … or if Michael’s fly was down. I cannot abide this.

  2. Kevin Williamson update:

    Okay, I’ve been reading-up on this because I was so surprised to find out that Williamson didn’t write H20. I apologize to the listeners for not having this info on hand during the podcast. That was lazy of me.

    I found that Williamson wrote the original treatment for the film (linked below) as well as the first outline. Two writers were then hired to come in and actually put pen to paper on the screenplay.

    Robert Zappia, who is primarily a story editor for children’s and comedy shows, worked out the story kinks and added enough to the narrative that he was eventually credited with a “story by” credit. Matt Greenberg was brought in as the “horror guy,” having recently written CHILDREN OF THE CORN 3 and THE PROPHECY 2 for the Weinsteins / Dimension.

    Together, they completed the screenplay with a lot of Williamson interplay. Williamson then did a pass on the script to punch up dialog and make final changes he wanted. So, Williamson’s fingerprints were all over this movie, but Zappia and Greenberg definitely deserve more credit than they get from jerks like me.

    You can’t blame me, though, when you watch the H20 behind-the-scenes. I just re-watched them and the EPK featurette actually opens with a clip from SCREAM (and there are more throughout) and ends with a clip from SCREAM 2! Then, the first two interviews you get are Jamie Lee Curtis, followed by Williamson. And they way the story is told in that EPK, Jamie Lee Curtis–excited by what she saw in SCREAM and by the upcoming 20th anniversary of HALLOWEEN–pitched the idea of doing H20 (including the clever title that drives Jason batty) to Williamson and says “You’re going to write it and I’m going to star in it.” Further, according to Steve Miner, Jamie Lee Curtis also hired him after Carpenter turned her down.

    So, anyway, we’re clearly lead to believe that Williamson wrote this thing by the promotional materials at the time. In fact, this EPK, which features interviews with Carpenter, Akkad, film critics and historians, the cinematographer, the editor, etc … does not feature an interview with the two writers. Just Kevin WIlliamson. Interesting.

    Link to Williamson’s original treatment for the film:

    http://162mc.files.wordpress.com/2014/02/halloween-h20-treatment.pdf

    One other little P.S. here: Steve Miner refers to Michael Myers as “Mike” in the EPK.

  3. So Wolfman Josh has blown my mind with his leniency regarding “Halloween: Resurrection”!

    I have to admit it’s been quite a while since I saw that film but I vividly recall finding the retcon contrived, cheap and insulting to the effective and well written ending of H20. I’m also predisposed to dislike movies that try to embrace pop-culture/trendy technology in a gimmicky way so that bugged me too. And Busty Rhymes should stick to his dancing or what ever it is he does.

    I have to say that after listening to this episode though I am very tempted to give Resurrection an open minded rewatch. I think It’s rare that I disagree with the Wolfman when it comes to horror so maybe my distaste was just the result of a youthful cinematic cynicism that I’ve since outgrown (as opposed to the regular cynicism which only balloons as I age).

    On a final note I was thinking about that Michael Myers mask and came up with an idea for a meta “New Nightmare”-esque take on the Halloween franchise which would involve William Shatner murdering all the real life actors who played Michael Myers and then wearing their faces. The box office won’t know what hit it!

    • Believe me. I get it. I don’t necessarily disagree with any of your points and I definitely had a lot of problems with the eventual execution, but I also think Resurrection attempts some very interesting things that pay tribute to the franchise and could have really advanced it with a better roll of the dice. I just think it’s a shame that the good is so often unduly overlooked. Not to mention … there are far worse movies within the walls of this franchise.

      • Well I do think it can be easier to overlook the good points in an otherwise flawed film when it belongs to a franchise also containing an absolute classic and several other above average flicks. If I do give it a re-watch (and that’s gonna be a hard sell when I think about the other movies I could be spending my time on) then I promise to try and take a compartmental approach and view it as I would a stand alone horror flick. I still think 7 is a pretty wacky rating though Josh but I do always find it admirable when someone sticks up for such a maligned and crappy movie (which maybe why I admire Jay so much).

    • I don’t know, even with an appreciation for the things “Halloween: Resurrection” does right (or tries to do right), it is still a pretty terrible movie. The movie suffers from a very gimmicky idea that did nothing interesting at the time it came out. And even when some of those ideas could potentially be interesting if executed differently, I still don’t think the movie deserves credit for something that it did poorly. Sure, I’ll agree that Resurrection was “ahead of its time”, but is that really enough to defend it? Gimmicks aside, the acting alone hurts the movie so much that I can’t get myself to give this movie more than a score of 5. I don’t think it’s the worst entry in the franchise, but it’s most definitely on the weaker end of the spectrum. If I were to rank the Halloween movies (having just re-watched all of them), this would be the order I’d place them in. Final answer.

      1. Halloween
      2. Halloween H20
      3. Halloween 2
      4. Halloween 4
      5. Halloween III: Season of the Witch
      6. Halloween (Rob Zombie re-make)
      7. Halloween II (Rob Zombie re-make)
      8. Halloween Resurrection
      9. Halloween 5
      10. Halloween 6

      • I give you my ranking very briefly two episodes from now–not sure why we didn’t make a bigger deal of that to close out the series–but mine isn’t too far from yours, Juan. Except for Rob Zombie’s Halloween II. I can’t accept any of your above critiques on Resurrection with you rating Zombie II so highly.

      • So-called “gimmicks” aside (ie: web-series and stunt-casting), they’ve got the correct Meyers house, they’ve got a great mask, they’ve got a great actor playing Michael, they’ve got a great storyline for Michael himself, they’ve got a great new final girl, and they’ve got a beautiful end to Laurie’s story. All more than I can say for Part 4. Yes, the ret-coning that David mentions bugs me beyond belief because it sucks some power from the beautiful ending of H20, but if we accept the reality that this franchise is going to continue, this is a far more effective ret-con than most we’ve had previously. 5 comes to mind as being much worse. It’s not just the Ghost Hunters stuff that I’m arguing here.

  4. Four masks were used for H20. The Curse mask made an appearance in the intro. The KNB mask was shot throughout the film. However, Jamie Lee Curtis complained that it didn’t look enough like the original mask so Stan Winston was hired to create a new mask and they reshot all of those scenes. Due to cost issues they could not reshoot the scene with the corkscrew kid so they used a CGI.
    You guys are very gentle with these films as well as H4-6. Compared to the original they are a joke. Without Carpenter these films are just paint by number slasher clones. H20 had its moments but H8 deserves nothing higher than a 0.5 on the rating scale. A true trilogy could have been Halloween, Halloween II and Carpenter’s original idea for Halloween IV. It was a great concept rejected by Akkad – the premise being about the town of Haddonfield coping with the events that occurred in 1978. Their focused attention on Michael ends up bringing him back. It was a supernatural ghost story which I believe could have been much better than the slew of Jason rip offs we ended up getting instead.

  5. I’m in agreement with Josh, H20 is one of the best 90s/Halloween franchise movies in my opinion. Since Miner directed, you get elements of Friday the 13th mixed in with the Halloween lore we fanboys love (hell there’s even a scene where Myers lowers himself from the rafters identically to Jason a la part 3). Only real downside, the mask sucks in this one… it looks cheap like something you’d buy in a discount rack at the costume shop.

    • Great points about the Friday the 13th connection. I wish we’d covered that aspect a bit more. I actually really liked the final version of the mask that they settled on. But, as you see from all of the mask comments above, there were a lot of mask problems this time around. Both the Miner mask and the CGI mask were terrible. Still, the flaws here don’t get close to my mask problems with 4 or 5. Those actually distract me from watching the film.

      • You’d think keeping a mask consistent would not be such a problem…. Yeah I think you get something really special here with the Miner/Halloween hybrid. Some of the kills/dead body reveals feel old school Friday… (skate to the head, hanging from the light fixture). The music also feels very Friday… (until the end I’d say). If you’re curious to hear our opinion we cover this one in episode 60 (spoiler: we also really loved it). Great episode guys. I’m going to have to listen to them all. ps. Josh I used a video in my Halloween playlist on YouTube this year that I think you edited (Alkaline Trio’s cover of Halloween cut to Trick r’ Treat and H20 I believe). Was that you?

        • Haha. Yes! That’s so funny that you came across that. I’m oddly proud of it for a little YouTube mash-up. I think it’s just bc I’m such a fanboy of all the disparate elements involved, I like getting my fingers in them a bit.

          I’ve always liked that Alkaline Trio cover of that Misfits song, but I had only ever heard it on the special features of a live ALK3 concert video that KungFu Records put out … the song wasn’t available for sale anywhere; they just released it on a 7 inch, which they gifted everyone at that live show taping. When “Remains” came out, I was sure it would be on there, but when it wasn’t, I found myself lamenting that on some random YouTube comments section when another user said, “buddy, I have it and I will email you a download link.” I was so excited to have it, I had to share it and I thought it would be fun to cut it to Trick R Treat, which had just come out on DVD. I really only wanted that first shot from H20, but I used a couple more so I could call it a mash-up. In retro-spect, I should have used some other Halloween franchise imagery, like those intro shots from Halloween 4, the kids taunting Jamie in 4, or maybe the party footage from Halloween 5. That would have all cut in well. Maybe I will re-cut it with an HD version. HD wasn’t available then, but I’ve got all the BluRays now.

          • Well, you did a great job man. That 7 inch was given as a gift to those in attendance during Alkaline Trio’s Halloween show at the Metro in Chicago (it’s rather rare). Trick r’ Treat is my second favorite Halloween-themed movie (you can easily guess my first, which also happens to be my favorite movie of all time). I think that Trick r’ Treat captures the aesthetic of Halloween (and dare I say, spirit?) better than maybe any other horror film. If you care to check out the playlist you can find it here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZjlSZwCoXDU&list=PLgGrb85wEdkJoSlQubDRBW6veVA8Pcshr
            Your vid ends the list… so fitting :)

          • Yeah, exactly. And I’d been hunting for a digitized track for years. In fact, the song only appears on the DVD special features in the still photo slideshow and there is a *snapshot* sound every time the photo changes. Super annoying. So, before I finally got this track, I just had a copy I ripped from that DVD slideshow. And every few seconds ** that damn snapshot sound. ANYWAY, that was a fun but super-nerdy tangent. Nice to talk to another ALK3 fan,.

            For anyone who stumbles upon my geekery and is wondering what we’re talking about, here is the video in question: http://bit.ly/1Dx2Dw0

          • Alkaline Trio were one of those bands who were at the height of their popularity about the time I was really into that sort of music but for what ever reason (no fault of their own as anything I’ve heard by them I’ve liked) I never really got into them. I really like this cover though and the video works great. I like that it draws mainly from my favourite segment of Trick r’ Treat. I LOVE that part and just watching this video has made me want to revisit it in preparation for Halloween as well as making me nostalgic for the punk rock music of the late 1990’s/early 2000’s.

  6. It’s crazy looking at these Dimension posters side-by-side in the episode artwork. Just realized for the first time that they are really trying to connect the HALLOWEEN mask visually to the SCREAM mask marketing. Feels really cheap, almost like something from The Asylum where their hoping people will accidentally pick up RESURRECTION, thinking it’s a SCREAM movie. It’s obvious, but it had never occurred to me before. They really milked that great GhostFace mask. Whoever the costume designer was on that movie should be getting royalties for that genius choice. Remember the SCREAM 3 teaser trailer? It was just the mask. Very bold, almost recalling Tim Burton’s Batman. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QbP-AJyhgXU

    • I think a part of the problem is that those posters are endemic of the extremely charmless poster art of the 90’s which I’ve complained about before (and which to an extent continues to this day). Sure here at least we get a glimpse of the Myers mask, as well as the standard dopey-floating-heads-of-attractive-youngsters-photoshopped-together-on-a-black-background but it’s still another example of what I think might be (an admittedly small) part of the reason people find horror in the 90’s so forgettable: When I think of some of my favourite 70’s/80’s classics often the first image that jumps into my head is the vivid and striking poster art. When I try to recall the horror movies of the 90’s my mind has no such visual axis about which to pivot. Phantoms, I Know What You Did Last Summer, Final Destination, Urban Legend etc. their posters all blur together and say nothing to me but “look at all the unrealistically attractive young actors in our movie” and I’d rather a horror movie poster say “Look at all the creepy imagery/ideas in our movie”.

      That said I have noted before that these 90’s posters are so artless there’s almost a nostalgic simplicity to them. The H20 poster has a special place in my heart simply because I have a vivid memory of seeing it everyday for what seemed like months on the side of a bus shelter on my way home from school when I must have been about 11 or 12 and wondering why it was called H20 and what it was about. It seems such a short time ago when I think about it.

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