Horror Movie Podcast Ep. 045: Friday the 13th Part VII: The New Blood (1988) and Friday the 13th Part VIII: Jason Takes Manhattan (1989) and Jason Goes to Hell: The Final Friday (1993)

HMP F13th Ep 4

Welcome to the fourth installment of our FRIDAY THE 13th FRANCHISE REVIEW for HORROR MOVIE PODCAST, where we’re Dead Serious About Horror Movies.

Just as we did for the Halloween films back in October 2014, we’re bringing you a multi-part series of in-depth, hardcore Jason Voorhees analysis! In this episode, we bring you debates and reviews for Friday the 13th Part VII: The New Blood (1988) and Friday the 13th Part VIII: Jason Takes Manhattan (1989) and Jason Goes to Hell: The Final Friday (1993). This week we welcome special guests BillChete from Horror On The Go and Mattroid from The Sci-Fi Podcast for one review each. Remember, facing your fear doesn’t always conquer it. Join us or die.

Horror Movie Podcast is typically a bi-weekly show that’s released every other Friday. If you’d like to support our show, please subscribe to our podcast free in iTunes, and leave us a review! And remember, we love getting your voice mails, so call in with more recommendations and comments at this number: (801) 382-8789 Thanks for listening to Horror Movie Podcast!

SHOW NOTES:

I. Introduction
Prize giveaway for this episode:
Jason Takes Manhattan movie poster

How you can qualify to potentially win:
1. Leave a comment in the show notes or e-mail us at HorrorMoviePodcast@gmail.com.
2. Indicate which city you’re writing from.
3. Tell us your Top 3 Favorite Kills in the Friday the 13th franchise.


[ 0:05:20 ] II. Feature Review: FRIDAY THE 13th PART VII: THE NEW BLOOD (1988)
Jay of the Dead = 5.5 ( Rental )
Wolfman Josh = 6 ( Rental )
Dr. Shock = 6.5 ( Rental )


[ 0:47:10 ] III. Feature Review: FRIDAY THE 13th PART VIII: JASON TAKES MANHATTAN (1989) with BillChete
Jay of the Dead = 5.5 ( Rental )
Wolfman Josh = 7 ( Buy it! )
Dr. Shock = 5.5 ( Rental )
BillChete = 8 ( Buy it! )


[ 1:31:10 ] III. Feature Review: JASON GOES TO HELL: THE FINAL FRIDAY (1993) with Mattroid
Jay of the Dead = 3 ( Avoid )
Wolfman Josh = 2 ( Avoid )
Dr. Shock = 2.5 ( Avoid )
Mattroid = 3 ( Very Low-priority Rental )


IV. Wrap-Up / Plugs / Ending

JOIN US NEXT FRIDAY ON HMP: For our fifth installment of Friday the 13th franchise reviews, releasing on Friday the 13th of March 2015.

LINKS FOR THIS EPISODE:

BillChete’s links:
Horror On The Go.com
Android App for Horror On The Go
On Twitter: @BillChete
On Facebook
On Tumblr
On Google+
BillChete’s Top 10 Horror Lists archive

Mattroid’s links:
Mattroid’s The Sci-Fi Podcast
Karl Huddleston appears in Mattroid’s Gary the Unicorn comedy skits
Gary the Unicorn’s 31 Days of Halloween for the Daily Herald newspaper

Wolfman Josh’s links:
Wolfman Josh on Twitter: @IcarusArts
Wolfman covers movies streaming online on: Movie Stream Cast

Dr. Shock’s links:
Dr. Shock’s daily movie review Web site: DVD Infatuation.com
Dr. Shock on Twitter: @DVDinfatuation
Dr. Shock’s other horror podcast: Land of the Creeps

Jay of the Dead’s links:
Jay of the Dead and Horror Movie Podcast Official Twitter: @HorrorMovieCast
Jay of the Dead covers new releases in theaters on: Movie Podcast Weekly
And if you’d like to e-mail Jay of the Dead with a good Beastly Freaks recommendation: BeastlyFreaks@gmail.com

Dr. Walking Dead’s links:
Dr. Walking Dead on Twitter: @DrWalkingDead
Dr. Walking Dead’s books American Zombie Gothic and Triumph of The Walking Dead

You can always contact us by e-mailing HorrorMoviePodcast@gmail.com. Or you can call and leave us a voice mail at: (801) 382-8789. And you can leave us a comment in the show notes for this episode.

Special thanks goes out to singer-songwriter Frederick Ingram for the use of his music for Horror Movie Podcast.

If you like Horror Movie Podcast, please subscribe and leave us a review in iTunes. If you want to support the show, we have PayPal buttons on our sister site, Movie Podcast Weekly.com, in the right-hand sidebar where you can make a one-time donation or you can become a recurring donor for just $2 per month. (Every little bit helps!)

NOTE FOR NEWCOMERS: If you love this podcast, there are 36 episodes of two other great podcasts that precede this one. Just scroll back through our archives, or use the links in the sidebar on the right.

Thanks for listening, and join us again next Friday for HORROR MOVIE PODCAST!

130 thoughts on “Horror Movie Podcast Ep. 045: Friday the 13th Part VII: The New Blood (1988) and Friday the 13th Part VIII: Jason Takes Manhattan (1989) and Jason Goes to Hell: The Final Friday (1993)

  1. Top three Kills of the Franchise:
    1. Machete to the head of Wheelchair-bound Mark in part 2. The best kill ever!

    2. “Split down the middle” of Hand-walking Andy in Part 3. Super awesome, in super 3D!

    3. Liquid Nitrogen head smash in Jason X. Although not my favorite movie in the franchise, I can’t deny that this kill the was both unique and wonderful.

    Slasher Matt
    Huntingtown, Maryland
    (iTunes review was left some point back, not so I could win a prize, but because I enjoy the Podcast).

    • Thanks, Slasher Matt. I can completely back you on your No. 2 and No. 3 pick. You’re right; those kills are “special.”

      Some wild conjecture on the liquid nitrogen kill…

      I wonder if the liquid nitrogen head-smash may have taken some inspiration from “Terminator 2: Judgment Day,” from 10 years earlier. Namely, this scene: http://bit.ly/1GuJVt5 (Start at about 1 minute in…)

      Yeah, even the similar poster art makes me wonder if “Jason X” didn’t end up taking a lot of inspiration from T2. Compare the posters: http://bit.ly/1A85kRt

      Indeed, the director of “Jason X” — which was the late James Isaac — was also a Special Effects man of many years, so you know T2 was prominent in his wheelhouse.

      But just out of curiosity… What is it about the “wheel chair-bound Mark” kill? Do you think it has anything to do with the fact that a guy who is “differently abled” suffers the same, raw brutality as typically abled people? Or is it a matter of just liking the effects… Just curious.

      JOTD

      • I’d say that it’s totally unique in the franchise and it’s a big pretty intense rush to see a wheelchair cascading down a giant flight of stairs. The only downside for me is that the shot obviously didn’t look real at the end, so they flash to white (like the 1958 kills in Part 1) instead of showing the crash-landing, which would have been a dramatic conclusion.

      • I don’t think of it as Jason being an “equal opportunity” killer (but obviously he is). To me, it had much more to do with the atmosphere of that particular kill, combined with the music and visual of Mark and his wheel chair bouncing down those stairs in the middle of a storm. It’s just so memorable and iconic!

        Slasher Matt

      • >Jay of the Dead on March 7, 2015 at 11:35 pm said:

        “…But just out of curiosity… What is it about the “wheel chair-bound Mark” kill? Do you think it has anything to do with the fact that a guy who is “differently abled” suffers the same, raw brutality as typically abled people? Or is it a matter of just liking the effects… Just curious.”

        I back Slasher Matt on this one. I don’t know if it’s my favorite kill in the franchise, but it definitely is way up there. From the very beginning – the setup, with Mark going out onto the front porch. Then, suddenly, the machete comes out of nowhere, and there’s some real substance behind the impact into the face and the sound it makes… absolutely chilling. Finishing up with the iconic shot of the wheelchair bounding down the ridiculously long staircase in reverse. It’s just awesome.

        I will agree with Wolfman Josh, though, in that ending that sequence with the wheelchair crashing down at the bottom of the staircase would have made it even better.

    • I have an old friend that lives in Fredrick, MD named Matt Collingham. When we were kids, he was the one who laughed hardest at Mark’s wheelchair/machete death in Part 2.

  2. Thanks again guys, for 2+ hours of Voorhees entertainment!

    I have a lot to say about these 3 installments. I’ll try to be concise. (Ha, yea right)

    Part 7 – I actually love this one. I enjoyed the Carrie vs. Jason thing, though the ending was silly. I’ve always felt this one was the worst victim of the MPAA. The kills could have been so much more graphic. Jason was great in this one. I didn’t mind the Kane Hodderisms you guys noted that the end. Kane’s stalking/killing were enough to win favor for me. The victim/teens in this one for also very fun – goofy, poorly acted, and incredibly flamboyant (easy to notice the cheesiness, but I’d put this crew second behind the part 4 kids.) People may not love part 7, but you gotta admit it was a new concept added to the story (telekinesis) but at least they stuck to SOME of the original premise.

    Part 8 – Like Wolfman Josh, I liked the boat setting – it was unique and claustrophobic as a woods setting could be. I didn’t mind so much that most of it didn’t actually take place in Manhattan (ahem… Vancouver). I actually always wished this had been two movies; One on the Lazarus, and then part 9 in Manhattan. Great characters and kills scenes in this sequel. The Julius head-knocking scene is incredibly memorable. The ending was of course TERRIBLE as you all pointed out. To me the moment that boy Jason washed up in that sewer was the REAL end of the Jason story. Everything else after that has been contrived garbage, ideas that tried to hard to be new ideas, lame attempts to “rejuvenate” the franchise.

    Just like “All Men Must Die” in Game of Thrones, All Franchises Must Die. It hurts to say, but would anyone be too upset if there hadn’t been another sequel after “Manhattan?” At least until the remake craze of recent times began? I wish I wish I wish, this franchise was untouched since then, and then more sequels were started after the 90’s went away! Looking at it now, I could have waited that long!

    Also in Part 8, did anyone notice Jason’s uncanny ability to teleport? This always bugged me a little. Either it was bad film-making or just too much power vested into supernatural Jason. I know he did this in some of the other movies, but here it was just out of control. And I totally agree with Dr. Shock about the Manhattan thing. Jason should definitely have killed more random people in his way in this movie. We just needed more kills in the city. It was a weakness of the last portion of the film, which was otherwise fast and fun.
    Part 8 is unique; it feels more like an action movie once in Manhattan. We have a GROUP of survivors all being pursued by Jason, instead of just the normal 1 or 2 heroes. This was different and a nice change of pace, but just a little more Jason killing was in order for me.

    “Jason Goes to Hell”: What more can I say that you guys haven’t already said? It was putrid from the get-go. One of the most disappointing sequels ever. And also I found the music to be so bad in this one; it was like some 14 year old recorded a .MIDI file on an old 386 PC computer and mailed it to New Line Cinema. I actually didn’t mind the opening sequence as much as you guys ripped it. I’ve always felt that Jason being blown to bits by the S.W.A.T. team would have made a great ending to a sequel, not a beginning as in this filth. The “special agent set up” was interesting, but I’m not sure where they could have gone after that scene and not made a dumb movie.

    Awesome job once again, guys! I am loving this tribute to my guilty pleasure in life… Excited to hear Wolfman Josh give the cold jagged machete to Jason X!!
    Grey Imp

    • Excellent thoughts, as always, Grey Imp. You reminded me of something I meant to mention during the show about the telekinesis in Part VII: I know I complained about the appearance of the moving matchbook, but the small, floating TV set is actually pretty fantastic and eerie to me. That effect looks great.

      Another thing your comments reminded me of… It’s common for the later sequels of a well-worn franchise, which are usually terrible, to have such little value that there’s not much to discuss. Well, this episode ended up being over two hours, so there is obviously much to discuss about these three films. I appreciate when films are at least novel, even if they’re terrible. Thanks for writing.
      JOTD

  3. Wow, Josh. The Jason Takes Manhattan poster one of the greatest posters of all time? That’s questionable, but I understand where you’re coming from. It’s a cool poster though. I like it. I do find it weird that instead of a machete, Jason’s holding a knife. What I do love about it is the old school collaging of images that’s more cut and paste rather than Photoshop, which came out in February of 1990, only a few months after the movie came out!

  4. There’s something I noticed in Part 7 that makes me think that Jason actually cares about fashion, particularly accessories. When he’s being attacked and chocked by the electrical cables, after he frees himself he takes off the cables around his neck, but he doesn’t take the chain that’s been hanging around his neck since the end of Part 6. Hmmm… curious, right? I mean, great choice, bro! That’s a most excellent look.

    • Great observation, Juan of the Dead!
      I bet this has to do with it being made in the era of Mr. T and his propensity to wear chains… That was en vogue in the ’80s, especially for tough guys who wanted to be intimidating or appear to have great strength. Behold, the 1980s:

      http://bit.ly/1KEYz3R

      Jay of the Dead

        • Haha sorry, Josh, but I’m with Jay on this one. I never was much of a punk rocker and never did appreciate their culture, so images like that look a bit silly to me. I know you’re probably heartbroken and disappointed, but it is what it is. You’ll be glad to know that I’m sort of coming around to it, some of it at least. I like the early stuff like The Ramones, Sex Pistols, and Iggy Pop. I’m not educated enough in the subject to know if those are just cliché or if they were the real deal. I also like the metal/punk fusion that I’m hearing a lot of now. Well, it’s new to me, but I think it’s been around for a while. Band like Converge are right down my alley. I’m not sure if that’s too heavy for your old ears though 😉

          • I was listening to heavy music when you were in diapers, Young Juan.

            And if you prefer a man with a perm in a banana hammock to a music icon, `then that’s on you.

          • Haha I don’t think you’re that much older than me, Josh. But if you want to claim grampahood, that’s on you 😉

  5. Hello Kind sir,
    I am a new listener and just wanted to let you know I have been enjoying your podcast quite a bit so far.

    Will you be doing this for all the major franchise you believe? Nightmare on Elm Street, Hellraiser, Chucky etc.?

    For some reason Freddy doesn’t seem to get as much love as Jason or Michael but I have personally enjoyed the Nightmare the most since they always seemed to try something new, it might not have always worked (Freddy’s dead) but the good ones always seemed to be even better than the usual slasher movie.

    Anyway, keep up the great work

    • Hi Michael. Welcome to the boards, man! It’s always great to see a new name pop up. I hope you come back often.

      I think the Nightmare on Elm Street franchise got plenty of love back in the day. From what I read, it was a huge pop culture phenomenon that took the US by storm. As popular as Jason and Michael were in their own time, I don’t think they shined as bright as Freddy did. I mean, he had something that the other two lacked: personality (and plenty of it). That’s why Freddy was able to go to talk shows, have a hotline, and even a TV show which he himself hosted! This all was possible because he could speak and he had jokes and he was charismatic. Financially, I think the Nightmare on Elm Street movies were on par with both Halloween and Friday the 13th, but I think Freddy had much more exposure. That’s all faded though. I think out of all the monsters from that era, he has aged the least gracefully. I love that franchise. They may not be better movies, but for me, they’re more fun to watch than either of the big two.

    • Thanks, Michael. We will definitely be getting around to all of the major horror franchise at some point. We are talking about doing Romero’s Dead films next, but I’d be open to doing the Nightmare films. Truthfully, I haven’t watched any of them since high school except for Dream Warriors and the original. It would be nice to have an excuse to revisit. I don’t know if the other guys are fans, though. I think Dr. Shock may be particularly NOT a fan, but I don’t want to speak for him.

  6. Ok finally just bought a blu ray player and looking to purchase my first movie,horror of course, looking for advice on what i should get(looking for some good special features,dir.commentaries,etc.)and who better to ask then my fellow horror movie freaks….

    • First off, always start with Halloween (1978).

      Next, and say what you will about the movies, but the behind-the-scenes documentaries on The Devil’s Rejects and Rob Zombie’s Halloween are two of the best looks into what day to day life is like on a film set and what goes into making a movie that are in existence.

      Likewise, David Fincher’s Zodiac has one of the all-time great behind the scenes docs. And that BluRay is beautiful.

      The Scream BluRays have great commentaries and the Aliens films always have good content.

      If you like Scanners, the Criterion BluRay is incredible and has a bunch of great extras.

      Generally, I’d recommend Blue Underground releases for excellent Horror BluRay releases.

      The Universal Monster movies all just got re-released on BluRay and are packed with great special features. I picked up Dracula (which has the acclaimed Spanish version on the disc) and The Mummy which has a piece on Jack Pierce, among many awesome bits.

      For some more recent films, the Tusk and Attack the Block BluRays are great for extras.

      I’m actually going to be doing a short-format podcast called Special Features with Kill Bill Kill aka William Rowan Jr about the best BluRay and DVD special features, so stay tuned for that.

      • “I’m actually going to be doing a short-format podcast called Special Features with Kill Bill Kill aka William Rowan Jr about the best BluRay and DVD special features, so stay tuned for that.”

        That’s such a genius idea!

        • It was William’s genius idea, David, because he wanted to do something short-format like Movie Stream Cast. But, I’m quite excited because I buy discs of movies I don’t even like just for the special features ALL THE TIME! By the hundreds! I’m addicted to DVD extras and something of a connoisseur, if I do say so myself. Kind of like you and Juan (and Dino?) with beer. I could start a sister ite with Doc called DVDextrasinfatuation.com

          • Haha I love this idea because I’ve always wanted to delve into the extras of the movies, but never have the time to. I feel like if I spend time watching the extras, it’s time I could’ve spent watching a movie instead. I’m interested and like what little extras I’ve seen. It’s great to find out about fun facts and behind the scenes stories. I feel very conflicted about this. Maybe this way, I’ll be able to gain some insight without having to watch the extras. Win win if you ask me.

          • I think you should give some extras a chance Juan, certain ones are fascinating little films all of their own.

            Does anyone know if the DVD/Bluray of “American Movie” comes with good extras? That’s the kind of film where I wouldn’t want to pass on the extras because I could imagine them being amazing.

          • “Kind of like you and Juan (and Dino?) with beer.”

            As I read that sentence, I stopped and thought to myself “huh, I don’t think I’ve ever really watched DVD extras.” Then, I took a sip of my latest Flanders red ale, finished reading the sentence… and nodded in agreement.

  7. Recently I’ve been thinking about where I’d like this franchise to go next. It’s gone past the point where it felt like they should just stop making them now. Recently it feels a bit like these 80’s franchises are receiving retroactive acclaim. It’d be the perfect time to take the franchise back to it’s slightly more restrained, grainy roots. It might seem like an odd choice but I’d love to see what someone like Ti West would do with a “Friday the 13th” movie. I even think Rob Zombie would do a much better job of a reboot of this franchise than he did with “Halloween”.

    • In fact I’d love to see them do something really inventive like an anthology of Jason stories with different directors for each segment. Of course the aforementioned West and Zombie could be involved but also guys like Scott Derrickson and Eli Roth. I’m not a fan of Roth but even I have to admit that a super gory Friday the 13th short by him would probably be great.

      • These are all great thoughts and we will discuss them when we talk about Jason X and the 2009 remake a bit and definitely on the Franchise Overview. If anybody else has thought along these lines, please leave them here or send an email or voicemail on the topic … maybe we could even make a poll !!!

        Thanks, David.

    • thanx Josh, lots if great info and i decided to start w the best …Halloween ,John Carpenters version of course

    • Yeah, I’m a big JtM fan (sounds like I’m admitting to being a fan of one of the backstreet boys) but “Pet Semetary” is ultimately a much better film.

  8. Jay, I agreed with every single thing you have said about this franchise so far.

    I don’t know what has happened, but I agree with ALL of it. This feels so weird.

    Anyways, my top three favorite Friday kills are as follows:

    1.) Jimmy in Friday the 13th Part 4! “Ted? TED! Where’s the damn corkscrew?!?”
    His twitching here was really something, even better than his dancing.

    2.) Mark from Friday Part 2: Getting hit in the face with a machete and rolling down the stairs in your wheelchair is bad enough. What’s worse is when little kids crack up watching it and they’re not even teenagers yet. That’s what happened to me and my buddies, and it still looks funny!

    3.) Adrienne: The Cryo-Face Slushie Smash from Jason X is so good. And kind of delicious looking, except it’s coming out of a head.

    Honorable Mention: Marcie in Friday the 13th.

    She gets an axe to the face and when she falls back and slides against the wall, the lighting here gets to me. And the fact that I really liked her and thought she was cute, and now she’s dead…it’s disturbing.

    I don’t like it.

        • Not yet. I just know that Jimmy’s kill is my No.1. Aside from the arrow through Kevin Bacon’s neck, it’s the one I always think of first when someone mentions “Friday the 13th” kills. It’s a great effect and a brutal kill made all the more disturbingly memorable by the fact that Crispin Glover injects so much dorky personality into his character and it’s truly sad to see him go.

          I’m a big fan of the liquid nitrogen kill from “Jason X” too but I’m not sure that would make my top 3 list. I think the kid who gets his head punched off in Jason Takes Manhattan has a good chance of sneaking in.

          • Liquid nitrogen has to for me because of the gross laugh factor.

            That Kevin bacon kill…it is vintage.

          • Guys, I don’t know how this happened, but I think we actually forgot to talk about the liquid nitrogen kill! At least we’ll get to discuss it in the series overview when we talk best kills.

  9. TOP THREE KILLS:
    1: Handstand HACK – Andy in F13 Part III

    2. Jimmy Mortimer in F13 Part 4: “Where’s the corkscrew?!” Why it’s in your hand… see that? NOW SEE THIS!!!

    3. Freddy vs. Jason: Trey Taco- Jason folds Trey in half with a bed. Just nasty.

    Honorable Mention: Mark in F13 part 2- Machete to the face and a ride down the staircase.
    Salinas, CA

    • Great picks, Mark. I think that “Handstand Hack” has a real shot at fan favorite. And is that the first mention of Freddy vs Jason so far?

      BTW, I’ve been to Salinas, but I’m having trouble remembering when and why. It’s driving me crazy trying to figure it out.

      • Salinas is where Salad and John Steinbeck come from… it’s not at all that exciting. I have no idea why you would’ve been here, but those are the two big things in the city. We’re also right next to Monterey Bay and close to Santa Cruz (The place with all the damn vampires). On another note; I’ve been listening to the podcast for only a short time now but it’s definitely one of my favorites- really enjoying the look back at all the F13 films and it encouraged me to do a marathon viewing this coming friday of some of personal favorites. If I’m the first to mention F vs. J then I won’t be surprised. Actually looking forward to hearing some thoughts on the film in the near future.

        • “Salinas is where Salad and John Steinbeck come from… it’s not at all that exciting.”

          That sounds pretty awesome to me!

        • Well, welcome to the podcast, Mark. Always love to hear from a new listener. These guys holding it down on the message boards are a really smart, great group. Hope to keep hearing from you here. Check out the links to the themed episodes on the sidebar. I’d say that’s our best stuff. And there are some surprises in there that you might not expect based on the titles.

          I’ve definitely been to Santa Cruz and pretended it’s Santa Carla. Probably due for another visit. Maybe I just passed through Salinas, but I thought I’d spent some time there.

          Man, I think we are going to be upsetting a lot of Freddy Krueger fans this week. Yikes!

  10. Hey again guys, this is MISS snowyotter, hailing from Minneapolis Minnesota.
    My top 3 kills in the series are as follows:
    3)Sleeping bag kill of Judy in part 7. It was like a giant bashing a human burrito. So much fun!
    2) I’m picking for my second favorite as the hot sauna coal rock thing in the belly of the boxer guy from none other than part 8. That always makes me cringe.
    1) Mark. Part 2. First of all this guys in a wheelchair about to get laid. Give the guy a break, right? But no, potato sack Jason has to cock block and wedge a machete right in his face with such force causing him to plummet not one but TWO flights of steps…backwards. What a deal. But it’s always been my favorite.

    Also! Josh, you KNOW F13 part 8 is in my top 3 favorite movies in the series so you KNOW I am dead serious about winning this poster. Anything! I’ll even tear down that valley like a son of a gun! Please!

    • MISS snowyotter … now we know!

      Well, we can’t play favorites, but I’ll happily remove anyone’s name from this particular drawing that doesn’t actually want the poster in order to improve your odds, snowy.

      Juan, I’m looking at you.

      snowyotter, I’ll be rooting for you on this one.

        • “Juan, I’m looking at you”

          I don’t think Josh was criticising you here Juan. I actually believe the above sentence to be a very literal and quite sinister statement of fact.

        • Juan, I’m just suggesting that since you don’t necessarily care for this poster, you might extricate yourself, as David did, from this prize drawing so that snowyotter has a better chance. That’s all.

          • my main man josh here. I hope I have some good juju going on because part 8 has hands down the absolute best poster. If I win I’m framing it for my new apartment.

          • I will do no such thing! I WILL win this poster and I will keep it locked away in my flat file while I buy a shiny new frame for my Rosemary’s Baby poster. Hmph!

      • I have some friends from that area. It’s beautiful near the lakes. David, Minnesota gave us Terry Gilliam, The Coen Brothers, Winona Ryder, Vince Vaughn, Steve Zahn, Chris Pratt, James LeGros, Marc Webber, Josh Hartnett, Jessica Biel. “Kevin” from the U.S. Office is also from there. An actress friend of mine was in a play with him there before he got The Office. Plus, The Mall of America is located there, best possible location for a “Mall Fantasia” zombie movie! Black Friday!

        • Why do you guys know more about Minnesota than me?! Haha we gave to world Spam and Prince, and always lose at sports, that’s all you really need to know.

        • “David, Minnesota gave us Terry Gilliam, The Coen Brothers, Winona Ryder, Vince Vaughn, Steve Zahn, Chris Pratt, James LeGros, Marc Webber, Josh Hartnett, Jessica Biel. “Kevin” from the U.S. Office is also from there.”

          What an amazing place!

          And is the “Mall of America” an actual single specific mall? I always thought that it was just a sort of diaphanous term that symbolised unabashed capitalism. I think that might just be down to the Desaparecidos song though.

          “Haha we gave to world Spam and Prince, and always lose at sports, that’s all you really need to know”

          Well I can’t say I’m a fan of spam but I do love Prince and hate sports, so I’m moved to recapitulate: What an amazing place!

          • David, I think you may have just won my heart a little bit referencing Desaparecidos like that. Dang!

          • “David, I think you may have just won my heart a little bit referencing Desaparecidos like that. Dang!”

            And you mine for noticing the reference!

          • Also I feel that i should qualify my love of Prince with the fact that I’m referring solely to his music. I don’t line up with him on lots of other issues.

            I’m actually quite tall.

          • Guys, I love Desaparacidos too! That whole album is incredible. They are on tour right now and coming to town in April. Super excited. I’ve seen Conor twice with Bright Eyes, once on the Fevers and Mirrors tour in a tiny room with 10 people and once at the height of his popularity in a huge theater. But, Desaparecidos is the best. And Monsters of Folk.

            And yes, The Mall of America is a real place. It’s a temple to consumerism. Jay’s mecca, most likely.

            Re: Prince, I like a few of his old jams, but my favorite thing about him is the story Kevin Smith tells about him on “An Evening With…” Insanity.

            http://bit.ly/1EJPFym (if you haven’t seen it)

          • Yes josh! That’s one of my favorite albums, I love it so so much. I remember buying it right before my first bright eyes concert in 03. Don’t know what album they were touring but I know Lifted was out by then and I remember being so mad they didn’t play Lover I Don’t Have to Love. Seen them also in a theatre. More and more all the time you’re my fave josh and its small stuff like this. I was actually just at the mall of America a couple weeks ago haha, it’s so huge I hate going there cause you end up walking at least a mile or so depending on what stores you need to go to in which case I had an LL Bean gift card I had to use! The nickelodeon theme park is kind of eerie at night when they lower the lights in there with not many kids around and these huge metal behemoths just groaning to be used. Well that sounded muh scarier than need be.

  11. Great episode guys. I have to say of these 3 films I like part 7 and can tolerate part 8, but the other one…I cant even watch. I seen it when it released and I was a kid, but overall JGTH is just pure garbage. People hate part 5… but this is where the hate should be directed.
    As for this contest, heres my picks.
    Id have to say my 3 favorite kills would be
    1. Andy – from part 3 getting chopped in half while walking on his hands. YES!!!!!!
    2. Rick – getting his head crushed and we get the 3D eye pop!!! Pure brute stength
    3. Doug – from part 4, something about that shower scene. Him getting his face crushed into the shower wall was just so brutal. Another pure brute strength smashing your skull kill.
    Good simple kills, nothing fancy just pure brutality.
    Tampa, Florida right here guys

  12. Some great picks for best kills of the series above!
    @Armoredfoe – I also love the Doug kill – glad you mentioned that one. It is vastly overlooked! Great Savini work on that one too.

    Can’t believe there’s no love for Paul in Part 4’s skewering by the nuts while running out of the lake!! – That still makes me cringe.

    For the record my top 3:
    1. Paul getting skewered in the nuts in part 4.
    2. Judy’s sleeping bag bludgeoning in part 7.
    3. Julius getting head popped off in part 8.

    from Phoenixville, PA (A.K.A – Home of “The Blob”)

  13. Ok heres my top 3 kills…
    3. Knife to top of head of girl under dock in the remake.
    2. Tommy killing Jason at the end of The Final Chapter…(Hey nobody said it had to be Jason doing the killing…)
    1. The hitchhiker at the beginning of The Final Chapter…the close up her squeezing that banana…(Yikes!!! The nightmare never ends…)

    • The bannana?! Hahaha

      Well done, Shannon. You’re outside-the-box picks are always entertaining.

      You’re damn right about #2 and I’m totally with you on #3. #1, well, at least your pick makes me laugh. Love it.

      Stick with that physical therapy. Best way to heal in the long run, buddy.

    • Shannon your number 2. pick was a very strong contender for my list as well. I know it’s not Jason doing the killing but that’s such a cool scene. The way his deformed head slides down the knife. Excessively fun 80’s violence!

  14. Okay guys, I’d like to extricate myself from this competition because I don’t have anywhere that I’d really be able to hang the poster and have it look good (though I do agree with Josh that it’s a beautiful poster) and I’d hate the thought of you spending the money to ship it to me only to have it stowed away in a drawer somewhere.

    Also, I’m one of the folk’s who neglected to add my town to my previous entries but that’s because I kind of feel a lot of disenfranchisement and disgust for my home town. I’ve never been one for local pride based solely on the fact it’s the place I live and to be frank the place is poisoned by corruption. How about my county of North Yorkshire instead? That’s not so bad I guess.

    Anyway, as previously stated, I extricate myself from the poster contest but I’ll give you my top 3 kills anyway, just for fun:

    1. Jimbo from Part 4. Jim is one of my favourite characters in the whole franchise and although his kill is sudden it sticks in my mind because it’s so brutal. Jason uses two different implements here; a corkscrew and a big knife, and there’s something about going into the kitchen alone at a party hoping to open some booze and then being horribly dispatched before even having a single drink that chills me to the bone.

    2. Julius from Part 8. This one is kind of ridiculous and silly but I love the way the movie tricks you into thinking Julius is going to end up losing his footing and going off the edge (with a low angle shot giving us an idea how high up they are and suggesting Julius’ perilous position). Then it hits us by surprise (although it’s also criminally obvious) with something more grotesque that displays Jason’s brute strength and mercilessness. I love the way Julius’ head lands in a grubby back alley dumpster, adding gritty insult to comical injury.

    3. Rick from Part 3. Ah, the 80’s when eyeballs popped out of papier-mâché heads like there was no tomorrow. This is admittedly a kind of hokey looking effect when viewed in retrospect but I love that homespun practical feel. There’s just something really gruesome about this one that means it really stays in my head, which is more than can be said for Rick’s left eyeball.

    I know all of these have shown up on other peoples lists but I don’t want to be disingenuous for the sake of obscurity. I thought about it a lot and these are definitely my favourites.

  15. Ok since there has been no love for Freddy vs Jason so far and I have it as my favorite Jason movie…let me give a few reasons why I like it so much before its discussed on the next episode…
    1. Being a comic book geek…a verses story between anyone you’ve never seen before is what comics are all about…and being a horror fan this was a first…and we waited forever never expecting to see it…and of course everyones expectations could never live up to the hype…
    2. There’s actually an interesting and original plot…more than any other entry in either franchise…they stayed true to both mythos…while combining them…
    3. One of Jasons highest kill counts…
    4. Freddy became a serious evil prick again…
    5. Jason became the fan favorite…but staying the unstoppable killing machine…isn’t that what eveyone wants…
    6. Jason on fire!!!
    7. After the castrating of all the violence of previous films this was a bloody river gore fest…
    8. The acting and production put the other movies in both franchises to shame…
    9. The soundtrack is a metal heads dream…
    10. Jason wins!!!
    I fucking love this place because its a stew of everyone…its just not Jay’s, Josh’s, Dave’s opinions….it’s us the listeners too…I’m pretty sure there isnt another podcast that is as listener friendly as this one and I’m proud as fuck to be part of this family…

    • I really enjoy Freddy vs Jason as well but I have to disagree on 2 points:
      1. The acting portion. The original Nightmare and New Nightmare had some pretty good acting as well as several performances in the Friday the 13th series (Betsy Palmer being one)

      2. Jason did not win. Nobody won. However Freddy won the fight

      • The final scene with jason walking out of the water with Freddy’s head was the best scene of the entire movie…it gives me goosebumbs everytime I see it…who was the last man standing…they had to do the Freddy wink just to keep things on the up and up….Jason fucked him upped in the “real world”…

    • I can’t say I’m a big fan of “Freddy vs Jason” although it’s admittedly been a long time since I gave it a chance but you are certainly in good company with your appreciation of that movie Shannon; I seem to recall it being one of Willis Wheelers all time favourites!

  16. I didn’t really mean to compare it to the originals because they are untouchable…just meaning the series as a whole…

  17. Juan’s Top Friday the 13th Kills:

    1. Julius gets his head knocked off: This may not be the flashiest, or the most original, or the goriest of all the great kills in the franchise, but it’s the most emotional for me. Julius made a mistake in confronting Jason, but he was brave and made a courageous decision to try to save his life and for that he has my respect. He didn’t curl up into a corner waiting for his death, he put up his dukes and tried to keep his life with everything he had. If he was going to go down, he was going to go out swinging. And that’s literally what happened. He gave it his best, but in the end it wasn’t enough.

    2. Tina gets thrown through a window and lands on a car. This is just brutal. It showcases two things: Jason’s intensity and his efficiency at killing. No weapon? No problem, the outcome will still be the same. Jason’s disregard for human life is not easy to miss, but here he displays it as if setting an example.

    3. Vera gets shot in the eye with a harpoon… in 3D! This one’s just fun and cool to watch, but it’s the follow through that really takes it to the new level for me. After Jason shoots Vera, he stares for a few seconds, drops the weapon with such apathy—almost like saying “I don’t give a Frak”—then continues to walk in the coolest way possible. It’s the small things that bring me the most joy, and the way Jason carries himself during and after this kill makes me really, really happy.

    • “3. Vera gets shot in the eye with a harpoon… in 3D!”

      It’s also the first time we see Jason with the hockey mask. An iconic moment in the franchise (and the horror genre) in every way.

  18. I still haven’t finished my re-watch of the franchise – I’ll be watching JASON X, FREDDY VS. JASON, and FRIDAY THE 13TH (2009) tonight – so this list will likely change. But, here are my top 3 through the first nine films of the franchise…

    1. Judy – sleeping bag bash, FRIDAY THE 13TH PART VII: THE NEW BLOOD
    2. Allen – punched through the heart by Jason’s bare hand, JASON LIVES: FRIDAY THE 13TH PART VI
    3. Mark – machete to the head, FRIDAY THE 13TH PART 2

    There are several others that could easily have made it to my top 3 – Tina (garden sheers to the eyes) in PART V, Deborah (signpost impalement/split) in JASON GOES TO HELL, Jack (arrow through the throat) in the original, to name a few – but I’ll stick with the three above as my top 3 through nine films.

    I didn’t include any kills from the last three films of the franchise because I haven’t rewatched them yet, but I do remember the liquid nitrogen face bash kill and getting sucked into space through a grate from JASON X as being pretty great.

    • “This sucks on so many levels” hahaha so many great one-liners!

      I’ll be watching Jason X tonight. I re-watched Friday the 13th remake and kind of hated it for the most part, but there was one kill that I thought was pretty awesome. I don’t know if I’ll get to re-watch Jason Goes to Hell in time. Maybe that’s for the better.

  19. I know everyone’s probably looking forward to tomorrow’s release on the franchise’s final three films, but I wanted to share a few quick thoughts on PART VII, PART VIII, and JASON GOES TO HELL.

    These films are really where I began feeling the influence of A NIGHTMARE ON ELM STREET, primarily in PART VII and PART VIII. Tina’s telekinesis and visions in THE NEW BLOOD and Rennie’s flashbacks and daydreams in JASON TAKES MANHATTAN just smack of ELM STREET dream/supernatural to me, and it really rubs me the wrong way. There are other, more direct visual cues, as well, like the engine room scene early in PART VIII (what a failed opportunity for a great scene, btw).

    Apart from that, there were definitely some redeeming qualities in both PART VII and PART VIII. I like how, overall, PART VII still feels like an old-school F13 film. In PART VIII, Jason leaves the lake, but the suspense during the boat scenes and the city chase are great. I especially like the juxtaposition between the trapped, claustrophobic feeling on the boat and the wide open expanse of the big city, and how they can’t escape Jason in either of those settings.

    The overall look of Jason in PART VII and PART VIII is awesome, too, and Kane Hodder does a great job. I don’t know if I’m completely sold on his extremely heavy breathing… I think I prefer Jason to be a little more still, like in JASON LIVES… but that’s really my only (sort of) gripe when it comes to the character design and acting of Jason in these two movies. Also, we get some pretty awesome, brutal kills in PART VII and PART VIII.

    JASON GOES TO HELL is a difficult film to discuss in a constructive manner. As much as it pains me to say (being the F13 fanboy/cry-baby that I am), it really is not a good movie. It’s not a “so bad it’s good” movie… not a guilty pleasure… not a “I see what they were going for there, but it just fell short”… it’s none of those. It’s just bad.

    There are some good moments, though. Deborah’s kill (death by signpost) and the opening sequence (which is a little hit and miss, but more hit in my opinion) are highlights to me.

    In many ways, I actually think it’s a more well-done film than the prior eight in the franchise, from a technical perspective. But the execution of the story, the realization of the Friday the 13th environment, the story itself… it’s all just so bad. I don’t even exactly understand what they were trying to do, other than that they were trying to do something different. Overall, it was a miserable failure of a film, and a gross defiling of the franchise.

    Unfortunately, JASON GOES TO HELL wouldn’t be the last defiling of the franchise…

    • There’re so many fantastic points in this post!

      “I especially like the juxtaposition between the trapped, claustrophobic feeling on the boat and the wide open expanse of the big city, and how they can’t escape Jason in either of those settings.”

      I love this observation. I’d never specifically been able to put my finger on why that juxtaposition works so well before but you hit the nail on the head here! Brilliant stuff.

      “I don’t know if I’m completely sold on his extremely heavy breathing… I think I prefer Jason to be a little more still”

      I’m in total agreement on this point too. The heavy breathing gives him the vibe of a wrestler who’s getting really mad. I’ve got nothing against mad wrestlers but it’s not an approach that I feel is congruent with Jason’s character.

      “In many ways, I actually think it’s a more well-done film than the prior eight in the franchise, from a technical perspective. But the execution of the story, the realization of the Friday the 13th environment, the story itself… it’s all just so bad.”

      Another excellent point that taps into something I’ve always felt about “Jason Goes to Hell” but have never been able to articulate. It is a pretty damned proficient film visually. Some of the very best special effects that the franchise has to offer. But that stuff is all totally scuppered by every single other element of the film. It feels like there is a tiny little corner of my heart where I do love a tiny little element of this film and I think you’ve verbalised what that element is quite perfectly. I find it interesting to see such a technically proficient (when it comes to visuals at least) pre-2000 entry in this franchise even if the rest of it sucks on so many levels.

      “Unfortunately, JASON GOES TO HELL wouldn’t be the last defiling of the franchise…”

      What a statement to go out on Dino. Have you posted a list of the movies in the franchise in order of personal preference? I’m really curious to see what your least favourites are now.

      • PART VIII, perhaps more than any other film in the franchise, drives home the feeling that you can never escape Jason. Like Grey Imp mentioned above, it’s at uncanny teleportation levels. I feel like it works, though, and maybe because of this juxtaposition in space between the boat and the city.

        Your mad wrestler analogy is spot on for the heavy breathing, and it is totally incongruent with Jason’s character. That’s exactly why it puts me off a little.

        I mentioned in the preview blog post for this episode that I remembered liking JASON GOES TO HELL when I originally saw it in theaters, and then not liking it in subsequent viewings afterwards. I think the technical polish (so to speak) had a heavy influence on my initial fondness of the film. I also had a really fun movie-going experience, which no doubt helped.

        I have not yet posted my full rankings for the franchise, just my initial top 3 films to participate in the contests on earlier shows. I want to complete my re-watch of all the films before doing a full ranking. My opinion of some of the movies has actually changed a bit with this re-watch, so some movies have shuffled up or down. I am fairly positive JASON GOES TO HELL will be at the bottom, though.

        • Yeah, it’s difficult to put anything too far below Jason Goes to Hell. Guys, so much great stuff here. I loved Dino’s original post and I agreed with all of David’s responses. My favorite points were the better-than-average technical filmmaking in Part 9 (which I kind of came around to in my review) and the point about the juxtaposition of locations in Part 8. A really brilliant observation there, Dino.

  20. Hello gentlemen. Horror head & new listener (and also SLCer, Jay of the Dead) who is way too late to this party. Love the podcast. Just want to say that I’m surprised Tina herself didn’t feature more in your Part VII discussion. When Joss Whedon conceived of Buffy, he was thinking of a horror movie heroine with the actual power to fight back, to become the nightmare of the monster herself. And I think Tina was an early predecessor in that respect.

    Plus her showdown with Jason was spectacular. I felt like I was watching a superhero battle. I’d love a Tina based sequel/remake.

  21. Hey guys,

    I’m listening to your review of Part 8; not sure if this has been mentioned but in the diner scene, the tall guy Jason throws into the mirror is Ken Kirzinger who was a stand-in for Kane Hodder in this movie. He would later go on to play Jason in Freddy vs Jason.

Leave a Reply

Your email address will not be published. Required fields are marked *