Horror Movie Podcast Ep. 050: It Follows (2015) and Dead as Hell Horror Podcast Crossover Reviews of the Pumpkinhead Franchise

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Watch your back, and only enter rooms that have more than one exit. Welcome to Episode 050 of HORROR MOVIE PODCAST, where we’re Dead Serious About Horror Movies… In this Frankensteinian show, Jay of the Dead and Wolfman Josh bring you an epic Feature Review of It Follows (2015). And then, through the wonders of a crossover franchise review, HMP brings you Feature Reviews of Pumpkinhead (1988) and Pumpkinhead II: Blood Wings (1993) with special guest One Sick Puppy.

And then over on One Sick Puppy’s Dead as Hell Horror Podcast, he brings you the remaining reviews of the “Pumpkinhead” franchise, namely Pumpkinhead: Ashes to Ashes (2006) and Pumpkinhead: Blood Feud (2007) with special guest Jay of the Dead. So, be sure to listen to this Dead as Hell episode for parts 3 and 4.

Also during this show — HMP Ep. 050 — you’ll hear Dr. Shock’s review of Gothic (1986) and a Wolfman’s Got Nards segment on Contracted (2013).

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SHOW NOTES:

I. Introduction
— 50 episodes of HMP!
— Doc razzes Jay about his rating system explanation
— Announce the prize winner of the “Inside” DVD
— Friday the 13th prizes are coming! Promise!
— Transcribed voicemail from Michael


[ 0:07:04 ] II. Feature Review: IT FOLLOWS (2015)
Jay of the Dead = 8.5 ( Must-See / Theater / Buy it! )
Wolfman Josh = 9 ( Theater / Buy it! )


[ 1:04:39 ] III. Review by Dr. Shock: GOTHIC (1986)
Dr. Shock = 6 ( Rental )


[ 1:20:27 ] IV. Wolfman’s Got Nards: CONTRACTED (2013)
Wolfman Josh = 3 ( Avoid )


[ 1:38:56 ] V. HMP Horror News and Miscellany:
— A Lizzie Borden TV Series
— Town of the Living Dead TV Series


[ 1:47:28 ] VI. Feature Review: PUMPKINHEAD (1988)
Jay of the Dead = 8.5 ( Must-See / Buy it! )
Dr. Shock = 8 ( Buy it! )
One Sick Puppy = 8 ( Buy it! )


[ 2:36:23 ] VII. Feature Review: PUMPKINHEAD II: BLOOD WINGS (1993)
Jay of the Dead = 4.5 ( Low-priority Rental )
One Sick Puppy = 2 ( Avoid )


VIII. Wrap-Up / Plugs / Ending


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246 thoughts on “Horror Movie Podcast Ep. 050: It Follows (2015) and Dead as Hell Horror Podcast Crossover Reviews of the Pumpkinhead Franchise

    • Honestly… I was shocked at how good of a review you guys gave “It Follows”. I went to see it with my girlfriend when it came out and we were both incredibly disappointed. Slow moving, no real deaths besides the one in the beginning. The only thing good about this movie was the cinematography. To each there own, but I thought this movie sucked!

      • Jeff, I totally have to agree with you. And I usually find myself agreeing with the HMP guys.

        I finally got around to seeing this film, and did not think much of it at all. In fact, I totally zoned out halfway through, I just couldn’t stay focused. Maybe because I’m not a fan of the American Teen Horror genre(?) but to me, this was an avoid.

        Don’t get me wrong, I enjoy the premise of a new type monster, but I didn’t think it was executed well. The monster just had too many flaws to make it truly frightening. Slow zombie swarms work well because there’s lots of them. One zombie just isn’t scary.
        Also not to spoil it for anyone who hasn’t seen it, but could you not just get on a plane and go far far away?

        Sorry to be such a pessimist on a film that everybody seems to love.

  1. Yes! I’m so glad you gave Contracted a 3, Josh. I’ve always thought that Jay and Billchete overrated it so much. Sorry Jay, but deep down you know that movie is not that great. I think I gave it a 4.

    • I’m a little more in-line with JOTD’s assessment on CONTRACTED. I give it a 6.5/10 and think it’s a solid body-horror entry worth seeing. I see all the same problems that Wolfman Josh mentioned, but they didn’t bother me as much.

      • Me, too! I really liked ‘Contracted.’ I agree that the girl is very annoying, but not annoying enough to ruin the movie for me! I gave it a 7, however, I’ll never understand why so many people would kiss her when her face was falling off!

          • From a body-horror perspective, CONTRACTED is far superior to HONEYMOON. I also feel like it has a more complete story and a far better ending. The acting is better in HONEYMOON, which closes the gap a little. So, yep, a 6.5 compared to a 5.5 sounds about right for me.

          • I disagree. Contracted, like Josh already stated, only has its effects going for it. For me, body horror has to have weight behind its effects in order for the abject to be effective. The Fly is a great example of this. Yes there was plenty of disgusting stuff to look at, but that wasn’t all it was. There were great characters and a very human and touching story behind all of the effects that gave its body horror the weight that it needed for it all to have purpose. Contracted doesn’t have this. It has plenty of things to look at, but they are all hollow, and shallow, and in the end meaningless. Honeymoon is another matter. Mini-review coming later this week, maybe even tonight!

          • I guess we’ll have to agree to disagree on this one, buddy.

            For me, the body-horror elements in CONTRACTED worked. They worked because the effects were really good and disgusting, but I also think they had weight behind them. Samantha was not to blame for her circumstances. She was a victim, drugged and raped, and the prize for her trouble was having to deal with the awful realities of what’s happening to her body and mind. The story is what gives the body-horror elements weight, imo.

            Could the acting and character development have been better? Yes. Would that have made this a better, more meaty body-horror entry? Absolutely. I also agree with JOTD and Wolfman Josh that the last scene should have been extended out an additional 15 minutes or so (taking that time out of the middle section of the film). If these changes were made to the movie then it would have been in the 7-8 range for me, and would have approached must-see/potential buy territory. As it is, though, I think it’s a solid body-horror entry.

            One thing I do have to say, though, is it’s unfair to break out THE FLY as a comparison. We’re talking about a classic horror film, and one of the greatest body-horror movies of all-time. I enjoyed CONTRACTED, but only as a fun rental type of movie (6.5). I cringed a bit when Wolfman Josh brought up that comparison in his review because they’re incomparable films in terms of scope and ambition.

          • Dino, I will agree with you that bringing up The Fly was possibly below the belt, but it was still so fresh in my mind when discussing “the abject” in body horror. I actually hate when people wheel out classic movies to rip on brand new films, but it was just a spur of the moment type thing.

            That movie is effing terrible, though. I don’t expect everyone to hate it as much as me, I suppose, but I can’t respect any rating higher than a 5. It’s so poorly written (in both narrative and dialogue) and so poorly edited and it is filled to the brim with mostly-bad acting as well.

  2. Almost three and a half hours! Fantastic!

    Also, Dr. Shock’s wisecracks at the beginning of this episode had me laughing out loud. I love that guy.

  3. ***PUBLIC SERVICE ANNOUNCEMENT***

    THE BABADOOK is now streaming on Netflix in the US.

    Awesome news… which I wanted to get out of the way before the IT FOLLOWS discussion began.

  4. Guys, Dino just brought the fact that “The Canal” is now streaming on Netflix USA to my attention.

    I know you have all sorts of content in the pipeline already but please try to cram in a review of this movie at some point. In my opinion it was one of the best horror films released last year. I gave it a 7.5/10 in my initial review but having dwelt on it for a bit longer it has climbed with sodden and creaking limbs up to an 8/10.

    • David,
      “The Canal” is actually already on our schedule to record a review of this upcoming Wednesday (Wolfman), in case you didn’t see it. Great timing, David. So, that review will be coming in a couple of weeks.
      J

        • Are you a fan? My wife and I are obsessed, so much so that we both refuse to read the books so none of the plot points are spoiled (my wife is a big reader, and doesn’t usually care about spoilers like I do).

          • It’s up there with The Wire, Breaking Bad, True Detective and The Killing as one of my favourite TV shows. It’s unbelievably well written and well made. And I’m of the same mindset as you when it comes to the books, though I do hope to read them eventually. But boy is it a show that you don’t want spoiled. I didn’t see that Red Wedding episode coming and it hit me harder than any other moment of fictional television that I can recall. It’s just so uncompromising.

          • Have you listened to “A Cast of Kings” podcast? It’s a GoT podcast produced by the host/producer of the /Filmcast, David Chen (who JOTD has referenced several times in the past), and featuring Johanna Robinson. It’s easily the best GoT podcast out there. The dynamic between David and Johanna is great and the setup of the podcast is great, too – Johanna has read all of the GoT books, while David has not read any of them. They (read: Johanna) also do not give any spoilers for the series beyond the current show: as they say in their disclaimer at the beginning of each episode, they spoil everything that’s happened up through and including “season 5 episode XX,” but nothing beyond and nothing that has happened in the books that has not already happened in the show.

            A Cast of Kings and The Weekly Horror Movie Podcast are the two podcasts that got me into podcasts in the first place. Highly recommended.

          • Dino, I haven’t ever listened to the “A Cast of Kings” podcast but you’ve just given me the impetus too. I’m always kind of lost when it comes to finding new podcasts to listen to so I very much appreciate your input!

    • @David – I watched THE CANAL last night.

      It was good, but the ending really dragged it down for me. Not the absolute final scene; that was really disturbing, actually. But the final 15 minutes or so leading up to that was pretty silly, imo.

      The rest of the movie was very good, though, and I enjoyed the eerie build up through most of it. The scene in the public toilet when the psychotic break begins was actually a little nauseating to me. Not in a “gross content” kind of way, but the actual frequency of the sound and the camera flicks made me physically nauseous. My physical response was actually pretty cool when paired with the dingy, dirty setting. I thought the combination worked very effectively to create a mood that reflected the overall feeling of what was actually happening during that scene.

      Overall, the acting and production quality of the film were good, and the supernatural elements were done well. I give it a 6.5/10, and say it’s a solid rental recommendation. My rating would have been more in line with your’s, David, but I really hated that final climactic scene.

      • -SPOILER ALERT!-

        Is the climactic scene that you’re talking about the chase through the sewers part?

        I didn’t think the ending was mind-blowing (though the car scene was genuinely shocking) but nothing stood out to me as being particularly silly. Did you feel it just went a bit too far in places?

        • *****ADDITIONAL SPOILERS FOR THE CANAL*****

          Yep, the sewer chase scene. Actually, it started losing me when the ghost figure came out of the wall because I just kept thinking about how it seemed like a rip-off of THE RING, but it was pretty cool later on when they did the reveal and showed that it was actually him strangling her. But that sewer chase scene just didn’t sit well with me. I don’t know exactly why… maybe it’s what you said, I just thought it went too far.

          Overall, good movie, though, and definitely one of the stronger supernatural movies to come out recently. I liked it.

          • OMFG! Are you serious, bro? That’s two for two great movies that you’ve panned and yet you gave a pass to Contracted out of all movies? Are you sure that we watched the same movies? Don’t get me wrong, I respect your ratings and thoughts but given your capacity to not only appreciate and analyze movies, I was sure that you were going to like these movies a lot more than you did. And yes, I get that every movie is its own individual case and just because you like a certain type of movie, it doesn’t mean that you’ll like everything that falls under that umbrella. Then there’s a case for objectivity and subjectivity, the circumstances surrounding your movie experience, and many other factors that could influence one’s opinion. But come on, bro! Anyway, I think it would help me to understand where you come from if you posted a series of charts and statistics. Just saying.

            #thetruthisoutthere

          • Walk off the ledge, bro! I liked THE CANAL. Like I said to David, my rating would have been more in-line with his if not for the final scene. Up to that point, it was like a 7.5-8 for me.

  5. Jay! Come on, man! One can literally make fun of anything. Give me any movie that you think couldn’t be made fun of and I’ll gladly prove you wrong. I think deducting points because a scene can potentially be made fun of is quite ridiculous. Forgive me for sounding this harsh, but you keep asking for it haha. If you listen to the episode again you’ll see how Josh sighs and says “oh brother”. That’s a sign of concern when the wolfman sighs at Jay.

    #yourekillinmesmalls
    #leavehairpullingalone

    • That is probably the strangest criticism that Jay has a tendency to throw at movies. Rather than being a signifier of a films quality it’s simply a reflection of the parody-heavy nature of modern pop culture. Surely if his favourite, “The Texas Chainsaw Massacre”, hadn’t been released until recently it would be absolutely ripe for parody. Leatherface could be made a bumbling laughing stock and Grandpa could be played by one of the Jackass guys in their old-man make-up. Does that make it any less of an effective film? Of course not!

    • @Juan and David (and Wolfman Josh),

      My criticism of this unfortunate phenomenon isn’t really about whether a scene COULD be parodied… what bothers me gravely is when a scene LOOKS LIKE a parody — as is — in its present form.

      The first aftermath scene in “It Follows” looks like a shot out of the Scary Movie franchise…

      It’s when a film abruptly crosses over from verisimilitude to artificiality, insomuch that it strikes me in no other way than comically.

      This is a huge problem for me, because it’s distracting and it breaks the spell for me. Rips me right out of the movie.

      #StopWithTheDamnHairPulling
      #HairPullingIsntInherentlyScaryAnyway
      #EverSeenTheThreeStooges?
      #WhatsWithAllTheHairPulling?
      #ThatsAnOldFolksHomeFinishingMove

      JOTD

      • Well that definitely makes more sense as a criticism. I think the problem we all had was with the idea that a film should be deserving of pre-emptive scorn simply based on the guesstimation (I hate myself for using this non-term) that it might someday fall victim to parody. A movie already looking like a parody of its own genre is an entirely different matter.

        If you tell me that a film contains moments that might in some far flung future be parodied by a terrifying army of Wayans-clones who have inexplicably become the future rulers of the Universe then I automatically have a few questions. Conversely, if you just say: “this scene had the distinct gouging-out-ones-own-eyes vibe of a “Scary Movie” sequel” then I’m far more convinced that the cinematic subject of discussion might indeed have some genuine issues.

        P.S. I’m struggling to calculate the obnoxiousness of my comments this evening because some total jerk has been putting rum in my coke all night. Apologies.

        • Yeah, except he usually says it the other way, if I’m not mistaken. He talks about it in terms of things that could be parodied. This is the first time I’ve heard this alternate explanation, as far as I can remember.

          • As far as I recall, up until now, it’s always been a case of “this might have the potential to end up being parodied so lets hack away at those points!”

            Jay could you please put together a detailed blog post (preferably involving charts and graphs) so as to better explain your stance on this issue?

      • @JOTD – Re: the opening scene and kill aftermath, you are crazy! There’s nothing funny or off about that opening scene and kill. It’s amazing. We see this girl who’s running away from apparently nothing, dressed in lingerie and red high heels. We don’t see why she’s running or, later at the beach, why she’s getting so scared. We think she’s crazy or disoriented (I mean, she’s running around in lingerie with red high heels and telling everyone that she’s fine – definitely crazy) until we see the aftermath of the kill and that her terror was real.

        It was important to show that the threat was real right from the start. What happened to that girl looked completely unnatural (in a good way) and severe, and her behavior leading up to it was terrifying. Now we know later in the film that when Hugh tells Jay not to let it grab her, he’s not joking.

        Which is exactly why the hair pulling part is terrifying. Yes, that’s becoming a horror trope, but for a reason. When there’s an unseen force that can influence real world physical objects, it’s necessary to show its presence in a way that everyone can see. That scene would not have been as effective and, more importantly, Jay’s friends would not have reacted the same way in trying to help her if they did not see physical evidence that the monster was real and present.

        If the monster was just trying to grab Jay by the shoulder, they would not have “seen” proof that it was there, so might have just thought Jay was going crazy, freaking out for no apparent reason. This is the first time Jay’s friends saw actual, physical evidence that the monster was real and was there at that moment, and they acted in kind by trying to help her (other than just trying to comfort her and tell her she was going to be ok, which is what they had been doing to that point).

        Later in that scene when Paul goes flying, again, I would argue that was necessary to convey the sheer power and absolute threat this supernatural force presents. If Paul was just shoved aside, that wouldn’t have been nearly as threatening or scary.

        I respect that anything can be read in a multitude of ways, but I don’t think it’s fair to dismiss these parts of the movie as parody-like in their current form. I think they were deliberate decisions made by the filmmaker to convey a specific idea of the monster and its capabilities.

    • @Juan – Preach, brother! This was driving me crazy while listening to their review of IT FOLLOWS earlier today.

      I will agree that a scene in a horror movie that is not only ripe for parody, but is somewhat of a parody in itself should warrant “deducting points” from the film. However, there is absolutely nothing in IT FOLLOWS that plays as a parody of itself. There is nothing silly about this movie. Nothing cheesy. Will it be parodied? Of course… just like any idiot class clown will make fun of anything in school, so will idiot parody filmmakers. Especially the good stuff. There are scenes from THE BABADOOK that will absolutely be parodied in the future. Does that take away from that film? No, just like it shouldn’t take away from IT FOLLOWS.

      And, of course, there’s an easy solution to this “problem” – just don’t waste your time with awful, parody “Scary Movies.”

      #ignoranceisbliss

  6. I’m so glad to hear you guys giving “Pumpkinhead” some praise. It’s not the scariest or goriest horror film out there but I’ve always felt that a great many horror filmmakers would do well to take note of the emotional backbone to its story. This is probably the only monster B-movie that ever made me cry; there’s something about Lance Henriksen that’s incredibly engaging and likeable, and when he loses his kid in this film it’s genuinely heart-rending. The motivation established here is almost flawless, as are the practical effects (proof positive that you don’t need CGI to execute a believable and terrifying monster). The film does have some problems (the death of Henriksen’s character’s son being more memorable and impactful than anything else in the film being an obvious one) but overall I think it’s an imaginative, unique and somewhat underrated monster picture.

        • My Facebook alias “Ed Harley” can come from no other place than Lance Henriksen’s character from “Pumpkinhead,” of course.

          Josh — your horror moniker “Wolfman Josh” — that comes from the news reporter Wolf Blitzer, right?

          • First of all, my horror moniker, though containing the name of my favorite monster, doesn’t actually come from a horror background as it was inspired by famed classic rock DJ, Wolfman Jack. Sure, he appeared in Motel Hell, but as memorable as that may be to hardcore horror enthusiasts, it was a minor footnote in his gargantuan music industry career–and I mainly know him from American Graffiti anyway.

            Also, your horror moniker is Jay of the Dead, not Ed. I didn’t know who the hell Ed Harley was when I saw it on Facebook. Assumed you were Catfishing. And we all know that Chevy Chases’ performance as Ed Harley in Fletch Lives is every bit as good as Hendrickson’s in Pumpkinhead. 😉

  7. I’m like you, Jay. Horror flicks don’t scare me anymore; I watch them for other reasons, but It Follows actually gave me a nightmare. Not since I was a kid has that happened to me. Luckily, I awoke just before It managed to get me.

      • So effective despite such a simple concept. One of the rare movies that really holds up.

        How did William sleep last night?

        • I feel robbed.

          It Follows is a good film and while I found parts of it to be disturbing…

          …for me, it wasn’t scary.

          Not at all.

          • It’s all about the suspense, Levi.

            But, as much as I loved it, I can also understand why it could be underwhelming to some audiences. It has shades of The Happening. And it also reminds me of that Simpson’s Treehouse of Horror featuring Poe’s Raven when Bart queries of Lisa … “You know what would have been scarier than nothing? Anything!”

            (at 02:01 – 02:14)

            Of course, I like The Raven … and The Happening to some degree, so this was great.

          • Well, it is a fantasy film. Drives me nuts when people think it’s a “Sci-Fi” film… it’s not science fiction. There’s a space “Setting” but it has nothing to do with science in any way, shape, or form. The aliens are interchangeable with the various races from a Lord of the Rings film in that there’s never a focus on xenobiology or anything like that- it’s a fantasy film. It has wizards and magic swords and monsters. Never makes sense to me when people claim it’s sci-fi.

      • Nicely done, Dino. But, now I am wondering what an actual Fantasy Movie Podcast would be like? I am envisioning a lot of sword and sorcery discussions and Frazetta cover art (so if it ever happened, I’m in). I could probably get an ex Creature Shop artist or two to do an interview.

        • An actual Fantasy Movie Podcast would indeed be amazing, Allyson. I’d love to hear these guys cover stuff like “Jason and the Argonauts”, “Labyrinth”, “Dark Crystal”, “Willow” and “The Never Ending Story”.

          In fact a great idea for a special cross-pollinating bonus episode would be for The Sci-Fi Podcast and Horror Movie Podcast to team up and cover fantasy films that are also happen to lay on the borders of the Sci-Fi and Horror genres. Stuff like “Krull” and “The Gate” respectively. They could even fit in something like “Return to Oz” which may be intended for kids but is easily one of the most horrifying fantasy films ever made.

          • My dad took me to see “Return to Oz” when I was really little and it scarred me for years (I think it freaked him out too, because I remember him saying afterward that it was way too messed up for kids).

          • I saw it when I was pretty young too. The wheelers were bad enough but when all the cabinets of severed heads started screaming and Mombi’s headless corpse rose from its bed I knew well and truly that I wasn’t in Kansas any more. Unless “in Kansas” is a euphemism for “on my way to years of costly therapy”.

        • I imagine a Fantasy Movie Podcast would be similar to whenever The Sci-Fi Podcast discusses Star Wars.

          Sorry, I had to…

          In all honesty, though, that would be awesome. I’m a huge Middle Earth-ling (is that a thing?), and would love to hear deep dives on LOTR and other fantasy movies.

          • Don’t think for one second that I’m not bidding my time until some definitive “Star Wars is Sci-Fi” counter-argument presents itself to me, Dino!

          • It might not be technically correct, but for me, when a movie has laser weapons and space travel it’s sci-fi. I am less picky with my categorizations.

          • “It might not be technically correct, but for me, when a movie has laser weapons and space travel it’s sci-fi. I am less picky with my categorizations.”

            In his heart Dino knows that’s the most sensible approach to take. He just likes to play devils advocate.

            http://i.imgur.com/k5ZWo0h.gif

  8. Gotta agree about the parody thing sometimes Jay. I still give the Conjuring 8.5/10 but the chair on the ceiling, while not affecting my rating, did kinda take me out of it.
    As far as the Babadook, it did not dissapoint. I gotta admit I had to listen to the spoiler section of the podcast because this movie was just so interesting. I honestly trust yalls ratings and HAD to see it. So far it’s the only movie I’ve ever actually preordered on Amazon. And yes the Blu Ray special edition with the pop up slip cover is awesome!!! It didn’t scare me too much while watching, but I could not stop thinking about it today and was even more disturbed than while viewing it. I give it 8.5.
    As I said earlier I do trust your ratings on this show and love listening to your reasons as to why you rate them as you do. Sorry Jay but I’m gonna avoid contracted, Josh sounded pretty adamant and convincing so I’m gonna take his word for it as we seem to have a lot of the same tastes. As for It Follows, we took our new daughter for a checkup the other day in Florence Alabama and I noticed it was playin at the Carmike Cinema. Didn’t give it much thought but after that review, definitely gonna check it out. Thanks for letting us know about the new horror!!! I honestly plan on what to check out and what to avoid thanks to this show! Keep em comin!!

    • @Fritz – I noticed the same thing regarding THE BABADOOK. The movie impressed me more while thinking about it after the fact than it did while actually watching it. I’m eager to give it a re-watch to see if it actually stands up to my post-viewing thoughts.

    • And you should absolutely go see IT FOLLOWS in theaters while you still can. I think it’s the best new horror movie to hit theaters in the last 30 years.

  9. You know, I saw the Pumpkinhead vhs for years at my local video store, wish I would’ve rented it a time or two. Sounds like I need to check this one out as well

  10. “The Sixth Sense which is really more a thriller”

    I wholeheartedly dispute this Jay. In fact I can’t think of more than a handful of horror movies with scenes that are even in the same league when it comes to scare-factor as the woman in the kitchen/girl in the tent scenes from this movie. Once again I feel like I’m going to have to bring up a point I made in the rant I wrote a few months ago urging people to be less exclusive with their definitions of horror: The earliest horror films were almost all based on works of horror literature and early horror literature was almost always of a supernatural nature. The ghost story goes back almost to the beginning of time so, no matter what the Billchete’s of this world might say, I maintain that supernatural/ghost movies are about as pure to the roots of the horror genre as you can get. The Sixth Sense is thoroughly spine tingling stuff. In fact I submit the argument that The Sixth Sense is way more of a pure horror film than the majority of Slashers which borrow most of their elements from the mystery and crime genres. It’s all horror to me anyway but I really don’t get why something as creepy as The Sixth Sense should be excluded from the genre and re-tagged as a thriller.

    So my question for The Horror Movie Answer Men is this: Has the essence of this genre altered as it has come into maturity? Why might we now regard an atmospheric supernatural ghost story as less of a true horror film than the tale of a simple criminal committing a series of murders? Has our definition of horror become more introspective as the world has become more accustomed to realities such as Serial Killers and Terrorism?

    • @David – I’ll admit that I generally consider THE SIXTH SENSE a thriller. I was actually a little surprised when I saw it pop up on your top 10 horror list because I never thought of it as horror. That said, I can totally see the argument for it being horror, so I’m not sure I would argue against it.

      • I genuinely do feel like it’s one of the scariest films I’ve ever seen. I know that it’s almost universally regarded as a thriller but I can’t really figure out why. It’s just a well made horror film to me; it has such an ominous, unsettling atmosphere, not to mention some great jump scares, buckets of suspense and that Dr. Walking Dead approved signifier of a serious horror flick; the murder of a child! I sometimes feel like these critically successful/high quality movies that I’d consider horror but are almost universally classed as “thrillers” are only categorised as such because mainstream critics don’t want to be seen heaping praise on something as lowly as a horror film.

        But maybe I’m just the podcast comments equivalent of one of those chaps you see with “The End Times Are Coming” scribbled on a big piece of cardboard.

        • >David on April 19, 2015 at 7:36 pm said:
          “I genuinely do feel like it’s one of the scariest films I’ve ever seen. I know that it’s almost universally regarded as a thriller but I can’t really figure out why. It’s just a well made horror film to me; it has such an ominous, unsettling atmosphere, not to mention some great jump scares, buckets of suspense and that Dr. Walking Dead approved signifier of a serious horror flick; the murder of a child!”

          Yep, I definitely don’t disagree with any of these points, which is why I won’t fault anyone for calling it horror. I still consider it a thriller… though, admittedly, it’s been so long since I’ve last seen it that I wouldn’t be able to tell you why I consider it a thriller.

  11. I loved your review of ‘It Follows.’ I saw it a couple of weeks ago, and I liked it, but didn’t love it as much as you guys did; I gave it a 7. I actually enjoyed listening to your review more than the movie :) I do have one request though that I hope you’ll consider. Could you please do a spoiler section at the end of reviews of movies like this? Movies that can be interrupted in a bunch of ways. I’m dying to hear Josh’s opinion when he mentions that this movie has 3 different ways the viewer can look at it. Jay asks Josh to discuss it with him offline, but I wanna hear too!! I loved your spoiler section of ‘The Babadook’ and it raised my score from a 8.5 to a 9.5 after hearing what Josh had to say. Just something to think about…

    • I think the idea of a spoiler section is interesting. There are a few things with IT FOLLOWS that I wished were discussed more in depth, specifically the overall theme and the ending, both of which were vaguely referenced in the review. I think it would be best saved for “big” releases, though, like this and THE BABADOOK before.

      • Now that I think of it, Jay should actually have our discussion recorded. I wonder if he’d consider taking that clip, tacking it on the end of this ep, and re-posting it to iTunes … we weren’t thinking about audience when we discussed it, so it might be all over the place. Not sure.

        • That would be great if he was willing to do that. If not, we started getting into spoilery theme discussion on here below, and I sent you and JOTD an email regarding my take on the ending… would like to hear your take if you get a chance because that really was left open-ended in the film.

  12. Again, I’ve been trying to get more of a handle on the horror films of the past decade so here are a couple of subsequent mini-reviews:

    Absentia (2011)
    I’d heard the name of this film in the past and dismissed it. I think I was confusing it with “Gothika” for some strange reason. At some point however, I heard Jay refer to it in a positive light and that gave me the impetus to check it out. I have to say I was very pleasantly surprised. I really love when horror is centred around what seems to be a fairly mundane urban location; that’s why Ramsey Campbell is my favourite horror writer and this film actually had shades of one of his short stories: “The Man in the Underpass”. I also got a slight bit of a Lovecraft vibe which is seldom a bad thing; there’s something of those horrors that exist on the very edges of human perception and are all the more skin-crawling for it. This is one of those inventive films that does a lot with very little, never tries to show too much and maintains an unnerving atmosphere of dread and eeriness until the very end. 8/10

    Beneath (2013, Dir. Larry Fessenden)
    Once again, my viewing of this particular film can be traced back to Jay of the Dead. This time however I found myself in a recalcitrant mood; I’d somewhat enjoyed “The Last Winter” another of Fessenden’s movies which Jay had panned and I loved the sound of this film (the thought of big shapes lurking beneath me in bodies of water is one of the things that scares me the most) so I went in hoping to love this movie and then come back at Jay with all manner of expletives and reprimands. Alas, no such colourful remarks shall be made; Jay was right this time. That said I believe we differ when it comes to our relative criticisms; I recall Jay’s main gripe with “Beneath” being the look of the beast but personally I thought they pulled it off pretty well. Sure in a few shots it’s gaping maw and bulbous eyes seem a little goofy but it’s a fish, fish generally are pretty goofy looking! Personally I think there’s actually something quite unnerving about that dumb vacant face and gaping mouth and I’d have been less impressed if it was made to look unrealistically sinister or evil. This looked entirely practical to me too thus the bulk and physics were far more believable and effective than most of these low budget monster flicks that are rendered totally impotent by awful CGI. The overhead shots where we see the monstrous shape just beneath the surface really gave me that spine tingling feeling you get when you’re waist high in murky water and something big brushes past your leg. It’s a shame then that the characters in this film are genuinely some of the most reprehensible, thoroughly dislikeable humans that you’re likely to find. Throughout the second half of the movie I started to get the impression that this was the point; a sort of misguided attempt at the old “the real monsters are the ones in the boat” kind of trope but if we don’t have a single character worth rooting for, not even one person who isn’t an inexplicably selfish idiot then I have to ask “what’s the point?”. I was glad when every single one of these preening douche bags met their end and for me that’s a big problem. I don’t subscribe to this idea that we don’t need to be able to relate to the victims in horror films at all because, to be frank, there’s just no horror there otherwise. If I actively want to see every single one of these vapid husks meet their maker then where’s the tension? Where’s the threat? Horror needs to show us something that we want to keep only to forcefully take it away from us otherwise we’re just happily watching people we hate get what they deserve. That might be a horrific concept in reality but in the theatrical artifice of cinema it’s the equivalent to the numb thrill felt when watching a daytime game show. 4/10.

    • I’ve heard people praise Absentia in the past and it seems like I’m the only one that hated it with a passion. I have no patience for bad acting and this movie has some really great examples of that. I can’t believe you’re that high on it to be honest. The mundanity that you speak of was a real turn off for me because nothing interesting ever happened until literally the very end. I have to admit that I liked the monster and I liked the ending, but it watching the movie in its entirety was such a chore that I can’t give it more than a 4. I’m curious if Josh and Dino have seen Absentia? If they have and come in as high as you, David, I might give it another chance. And it’s not that I don’t trust your judgement, I actually value your input very much, but the movie left such a bad taste in my mouth that I’m very hesitant to revisit it even with your praise behind it.

      • Well different strokes for different folks my friend! There’s always going to be a few movies that we’re at polar opposites on. Remember, I came in pretty low on “Exists” which most of you other guys seemed to love.

        As for “Absentia” I didn’t really pick up on any particularly bad acting but I’ve watched so many no budget Z-grade movies in the past that I’m to an extent desensitised to poor performances and they don’t tend to bother me that much so long as the characters themselves don’t grate or behave in contrived and unrealistic ways. Maybe the movie found me in a particularly receptive mood but I found it engaging and creepy the whole time. I valued how unpredictable it was, predictability is a big turn off for me and this was a movie that kept me guessing.

        It’s worth noting that I have a soft spot for low-budget movies like this that do a lot with a little so to speak and I’m a total sucker for this style of weird, atmospheric supernatural horror anyway. This kind of movie has to be pretty awful to not work on me, a good example being “The Messengers” from 2007 which I reviewed a few weeks ago. I watched that movie almost back-to-back with this one so maybe that juxtaposition somewhat exaggerated the good points of “Absentia” in comparison. I would also be interested to hear other peoples take on the movie.

      • Also, I miss your mini-reviews, Juan. Please start doing them again if you get the chance. I’d love to see you expound upon what you liked about “Basket Case”. That’s a movie that we can definitely agree on!

        • Sorry, man. I didn’t mean to come across as a closed minded jerk. You’re right, different strokes for different… ahhh I see what you did there 😉

          But yeah, like I said, I have very little patience for bad acting. Whenever it’s present, it ruins the movie for me automatically. If the acting’s meant to be so bad it’s good, then that’s a completely different thing. I suppose, though, that acting just like anything else can be subjective.

          Anyway, I didn’t mean to poop on your score or anything. I was just honestly surprised how high you scored it. Everything you said made me see it a little more from your perspective, so I can definitely understand why you liked the movie so much.

          I miss writing them too, man, but I’ve been so busy lately that I haven’t had the chance to do much. This is probably way too much information that you don’t care for (and rightfully so), but I’ve been trying to really hard to get back in shape because I’m still at an age where I can change my habits for good and lead a healthier and more active lifestyle. I joined a dragon boat team last year and the team made the decision to be a competitive team rather than a community team, which means more practices and more races. So yeah, my weekends which were usually dedicated to drinking beer, snacking, and watching movies have been turned to paddling on a boat, drinking more water and less beer*, and not watching a whole lot of movies. I’ll try to free some time to review a few movies that I’ve been meaning to fight about, I mean write about. I’ll make sure to include Basket Case for sure. What a great movie!

          *This is hurting my soul, but is actually healing my body. I do feel the difference when I don’t drink, especially during a workout.

          • @Juan – It’s good that you’re training now so you can be in shape for when we do the big HMP meet-up/zombie run in 2016.

            #hellsyeah

    • “If I actively want to see every single one of these vapid husks meet their maker then where’s the tension? Where’s the threat? Horror needs to show us something that we want to keep only to forcefully take it away from us otherwise we’re just happily watching people we hate get what they deserve.”

      Well said. If we don’t care whether or not someone (at least one person) survives, then there’s absolutely no tension or suspense.

      I haven’t seen Fessenden’s BENEATH, but I did see Ben Ketai’s BENEATH (I gave a very brief mini-review of it here >> http://horrormoviepodcast.com/horror-movie-podcast-ep-039-versus-and-horror-in-2015/#comment-10029). I gave it a 7/10 and can tell you that, even though you meant to watch Fessenden’s movie, you probably went with the wrong 2013 Beneath.

      I have seen ABSENTIA and am only lukewarm about it. There was a lot to the movie that I liked, but found it overall to be rather boring and ordinary. I agree with what Juan said about the acting – it’s quite bad. Speaking of ordinary in a good way, though, I love what David said about the seemingly mundane setting and “those horrors that exist on the very edges of human perception”. I really liked the underpass scenes and how the movie culminates. Some really interesting ideas were present, but overall this movie was a slog most of the way through and I was left wanting more. I give it a 6/10; definitely worth your time, but probably not necessary viewing.

      • Hmmm, maybe I was being uncharacteristically generous with my “Absentia” rating then. At some point I’ll have to re-watch it and see how it holds up in the cold, hard light of day.

        Out of curiosity would either you or Juan (or anyone else for that matter) be able to recommend me any other modern(ish) films with a similar atmosphere/spookiness/supernatural feel to them? Maybe part of the reason that my rating for “Absentia” is so high is that it feels rare to find a movie of this type nowadays that isn’t found footage, absolutely atrocious or both. Here are a few examples of other similarly spooky modern supernatural movies that I quite enjoyed: “Sinister”, “The Innkeepers”, “The Pact”, “Fragile”, “Dead End”, “The Woman in Black”, “Wind Chill”, “Insidious”. Anything in that kind of vein I’d love to hear about.

        • Now you’re talking my language, David. I absolutely adored The Innkeepers although the ending left a big hole in me (in a bad way). But man, that movie is so good up until the very end. I loved Dead End and Insidious. The Woman in Black was pretty good and the others I haven’t seen.

          As far as creepy recommendations, these come to mind:

          Silent House
          Honeymoon
          The Canal (you’ve seen this)
          Dark Skies
          The Signal (more sci-fi than horror, but interesting and creepy)
          Oculus
          Berberian Sound Studio (you’d be surprise how much they accomplish with just sound)

          That’s about all I can think of.

          • Wait, you’ve not seen “Sinister”!?

            And thanks for the recommendations, good sir! “Silent House” is already on my list of movies to check out thanks to MSC and I’ve been interested in “Berberian Sound Studio” and “The Signal” for a while. “Honeymoon” sounds interesting too.

            I’m not sure why but something put me off checking out “Occulus” and I was under the impression that “Dark Skies” was a found footage movie for some reason.

            And if you like these kind of flicks I definitely recommend checking out “The Pact” and “Fragile”, they’re a little second tier (as Jay might say) but effective nonetheless. “Fragile” starts off kind of slow and generic but it was worth it for me just for the ghost/twist which is really freaky and disturbing. “Wind Chill” has a similar feel to “Dead End” though it’s not as good but still worth checking out, especially if you like horror set on lonely roads in the snow!

            “Session 9” is another one with this kind of vibe that I really like.

          • @Juan – Bro… seriously? You haven’t seen SINISTER?

            Honestly, I think that should be the next movie you watch.

        • David!!!!!!!! Don’t back down on your ABSENTIA rating. The heart wants what the heart wants.

          And I’m of a similar mind to Juan on this in that I’m a big fan of these types of supernatural/atmospheric movies. I’m going to give this some thought to see if I can come up with a few good recommendations.

          • Sorry, I have seen Sinister. I think it’s damn solid, but not great. It’s a 7.5 for me. Actually a few of my recommendations are in the solid range, so don’t think I recommended masterpieces. Here’s what I would rate them:

            Silent House – 7.5
            Honeymoon -8.5
            The Canal -9
            Dark Skies – 7.5
            The Signal – 6.5
            Oculus – 7
            Berberian Sound Studio – 8.5

            Session 9 is a classic in my opinion. It’s one of the greatest psychological horror films and it has one of the creepiest, most disturbing, and surprising endings in a horror movie. It’s a 9.5. Great choice! By the way, I love how the movie closes with the camera flying over the hospital and we hear this voice over:

            Doctor: “And where do you live, Simon?”
            Simon: “I live in the weak and the wounded”

          • Don’t worry, I’m not backing down, I’m just very much aware that my approach to ratings can oscillate quite a lot depending on my moods and the comparative quality of my other recent viewing experiences. I also value the opinions of both Juan and yourself enough to at least consider that a re-evaluation might be in order. Until I get a chance to re-watch the movie my rating is staying right where it is though!

          • I started watching THE CANAL last night, but fell asleep after about 15 minutes. The movie looks promising, but I was just too tired. Hopefully I can give it another go tonight.

        • I feel like some of the best modern supernatural/ghost movies have been coming out of Asia. Have you seen SHUTTER (2004)? If not, that’s one worth checking out. Also, DARK WATER (2002) is a really good J-horror entry, but I suspect you may have seen that one already.

          Then there’s Guillermo del Toro’s THE DEVIL’S BACKBONE (2001). Critics basically make love to this film, but don’t hold that against it – it’s good.

          A good English-language one to mention is THE OTHERS (2001). It’s a solid entry as a modern supernatural film, but I’m sure you’ve seen it. Another is THE AWAKENING (2011), which plays on the orphanage/boarding school trope similar to THE ORPHANAGE and THE DEVIL’S BACKBONE.

          If you’re looking for some good, fun schlock then I would recommend MINE GAMES (2012). It has a good mixture of decent acting with really bad acting, and an interesting premise surrounding an abandoned mine out in the woods. Another in the supernatural schlock category that might be worth checking out is ALTAR (2014), but I haven’t seen this one yet (it just landed on Netflix streaming, so I plan to catch it soon).

          None of these movies are especially obscure, but I thought I’d start by throwing out some good ones on the off-chance you haven’t seen them yet.

          SHUTTER (2004)
          DARK WATER (2002)
          THE DEVIL’S BACKBONE (2001)
          THE OTHERS (2001)
          THE AWAKENING (2011)
          MINE GAMES (2012)
          ALTAR (2014)

          • Man! I can’t believe I forgot about all of these. These are all great too and I’d be glad to give my seal of approval (not that a list from Dino needs it).

            Also, I thought about bringing this back. After clicking on your link above, I was reading the comments and came across this sweet little graphical representation of beer, which is not very accurate, but still cool to look at. Thanks Dino!

            http://d3-beer.jonost.me/user/Wawis

          • Nice, I liked those d3 visualizers. Of course, when I originally did mine I only had about 20-something unique check-ins on Untappd, so it wasn’t very interesting. I’m not surprised to see your most checked-in style is Imperial Stout. My top two (again, unsurprisingly) are IPA and DIPA.

          • Awesome recommendations, Dino. I really like “The Others”, even to the extent that when I subsequently read the novella that it was loosely based on, Henry James’ “The Turn of the Screw”, I was a little disappointed by the lack of the twist. I’ve also seen “Shutter” and “Dark Water” (although my viewing of the latter was quite a long time ago) and while they don’t come close to my favourite Asian horror offerings they certainly capture that creepy atmosphere that I cherish so much. The ending of “Shutter” is especially unforgettable. “The Awakening” I watched a few years ago and was enjoying it up until the twist which I felt was contrived enough to ruin the movie for me. It’s certainly the type of movie I’m looking for though, just not one that I felt was particularly well written.

            I hadn’t even heard of “Mine Games” or “The Altar” until now so you automatically win my appreciation for bringing them to my attention. I really like the sound of “Mine Games”. What would you say is schlocky about it? Just the general trappings of a low budget or does it suffer from plot problems or overly cliché elements or something?

          • @David – My recommendations actually suck because you’ve already seen most of them!

            Regarding MINE GAMES, I call it schlocky because it suffers a little from all of the issues that a typical B-movie horror title would. Interestingly, though, I don’t think it was a particularly small budget film. I also think it was originally supposed to come out several years ago, but was canned for a few years – and went through a few name changes – for some reason. In any event, it’s not a scintillating movie, but I think the premise and setting make it a solid sit.

            Have you seen THE DEVIL’S BACKBONE (2001) yet? If not, I would watch that before MINE GAMES.

  13. Ok boys and girls, I think I’ve made it no secret how much I love IT FOLLOWS. I immediately fell in love with the movie after my first viewing and had to share my thoughts on it with someone. So, a few days later I wrote up a mini-review (not-so mini, perhaps) and sent it along to JOTD. I also thought this would be a good excuse to pop my voicemail cherry, so I recorded a shortened version of my review and attached that to the email as well. Of course, neither made it to the show, which is totally fine because I probably would have sounded like the pompous buffoon that I am. But, because I love this movie so much (and because I love hearing myself “talk”), I wanted to share the mini-review I sent to JOTD with you fine folks.

    Just a quick administrative note before I get into. I’ve seen IT FOLLOWS twice since writing the mini-review below (yes, I’ve seen it three times in the theater already, and have already pre-ordered it on iTunes), so my understanding of a few of the movie’s finer points has changed slightly. Nevertheless, I wanted to send an unaltered version of the review I sent to JOTD on Mar. 29 because I think it accurately represents the total glee I was feeling in the few days immediately following that first viewing. Also, I made the mini-review as spoiler-free as possible, so if you haven’t seen the movie and, for some reason, are interested in reading my literary diarrhea, then you don’t have to worry about the movie being spoiled.

    Dino’s Unsolicited Mini-Review of:
    IT FOLLOWS (2015) – 10/10, a horror masterpiece

    IT FOLLOWS is a simple, yet genuinely terrifying film. It feels sort of like that nightmare we’ve all had, where you’re running from something and no matter how fast or how long you run, it’s always right there behind you.

    This is definitely a serious movie. It’s slow and relentless, and creates this feeling of complete and utter hopelessness. But, that said, it’s still a fun movie and I think it would stand up on re-watch. The characters have a lot to do with that; they’re well-developed and likable, and the performances are really good across the board. The simple story has a lot to do with its funness, too. It doesn’t trip over itself with elaborate exposition like so many modern horror movies.

    Even though the movie is slow-paced, I wouldn’t call it a slow-burn. It gets right into the meat of the story pretty early on and it never meanders or feels boring. Something this film does is it never lets you put your guard down. Scenes that in other movies would appear innocuous, here, are tense. The threat is always there – sometimes it’s in your face, sometimes looming in the background – but always present.

    Even when you think you can rest, the threat is subtly visible in the background. This is done in a few different ways, but probably my favorite are these really cool 360 degree shots that feel sort of like a riff on the oscillating fan in PARANORMAL ACTIVITY 3. They do a great job in representing spatial distance, and create a ton of suspense.

    The movie on its own legs is really good, but the soundtrack makes it something special. It sounds like what you would get if PHANTASM was scored by John Carpenter; it is awesome. The music and sound is very atmospheric, and it’s used effectively. It really ups the dread and suspense factors, and at times, it can even be oppressive, just like the looming threat in the movie. It also has a retro quality to it that, along with the lighting and color grading of the film, and the overall production design, give it a ‘70s or ‘80s feel but in a modern setting; it’s weird but really cool.

    Overall, I would say IT FOLLOWS is a complete film. The concept is unique and the story is simple, yet satisfying. The film has smart social commentary that is deftly handled, and it’s very artfully and technically proficient. The performances are very believable and, as I said before, the characters are likable; I mean, we enjoy going along for the ride with them and are rooting for them to survive.

    Most importantly, though, this movie scared the bejesus out of me and I can’t stop thinking about it. So, I give IT FOLLOWS a 10 out of 10, and say it’s a must see in theaters and a buy once it hits store shelves. I really love this film. I think it’s a horror masterpiece and is easily one of the best movies I’ve seen in a long time. It already has a place on my top 10 horror movie list, so you will not want to miss it.

      • Btw, can we talk about the burn I felt when JOTD played Michael’s voicemail while summarily dismissing mine? No, it’s actually worse than that – he took the time to transcribe and recite Michael’s voicemail.

        I’m just kidding, JOTD. You know I love you, brother. 😉

        #jokingnotjoking

    • I agree with everything that you said, Dino. The praise and scores that it’s been getting from everyone on this site and pretty much all over are well deserved. It’s definitely an outstanding horror film and one of the best ones from the last few years. My only real complaint is the CGI effects used. It’s a very minor complaint, but it keeps me from giving it a perfect score. It’s a 9.5 from me, but it’s every bit as good as you say it is.

      • I’m glad you were able to see it before this episode dropped. Just out of curiosity, what CGI missteps are you referencing? I’m not saying they weren’t there, I just didn’t notice them.

        • Jay already mentioned two: the hair pulling and the kicking of the teenage boy. The other two effects that really bothered me were the electronics flying into the pool and the establishing shot of the outside of the school building with the super fake rainstorm.

          • @Juan – Did you see my response to JOTD above regarding the hair pulling and the flinging of Paul? >> http://horrormoviepodcast.com/horror-movie-podcast-ep-050-it-follows-2015-and-dead-as-hell-horror-podcast-crossover-reviews-of-the-pumpkinhead-franchise/#comment-15230

            It’s one thing if you just didn’t like how those two effects looked, but I think they were both done intentionally to serve a purpose. I would argue the same for the “home appliance throwing” part.

            I’m sort of with you on the rainstorm, but the “It Follows fanboy” in me would say that it looked super awesome in a cheesy ’80s horror movie way.

          • I did and I agree with you 100%. The actual hair has never bothered me. I actually find it to be a really creepy trope. The effects themselves are what bothered me.

            Yeah I’ve thought about the rain scene maybe being done on purpose, but even so, it looked really bad. I just didn’t buy its cheesiness. Conceptually, if it was meant to look bad, I like the idea of it but not the execution.

  14. It Follows gets a 7 from me. I mean, I’m not sure I even like rating a film because I’m no critic, but that’s what I feel I should give it.

    It’s a good film, but it didn’t scare me. And while a lot of the music was probably pretty good, I only really noticed it when it distracted me or irritated the hell out of me.

    I was bothered by the fact that I found certain parts of the film to be effectively disturbing, but I was never scared. Honestly, I want to be troubled by a film. I want it to give me a nightmare. But this just didn’t do it. As I said in a comment above, I feel robbed.

    Josh’s comment about the movie being more of an independent film that’s horror instead of a horror film that’s independent resonated and I think that might be part of the reason why it didn’t stick for me. Again, the movie is good, but I just don’t understand why everyone loves it so much!

    Again, there was so much good here: cinematography, acting, setting, pacing, music, (although some of it I found irritating and not in a good way) the concept was great…but it leaves me cold.

    I do feel, however, that this is a great horror film for certain teenagers and a warning that must be heeded. Once you have sex with someone, you’ve had sex with all of the people they’ve had sex with, and don’t take the act lightly.

    The things about the film that actually bothered me the most didn’t have to deal with the ‘It’ in the title but instead what characters were driven to do in order to rid themselves of ‘It’ and how that didn’t work.

    Boy. I hate this! I’m disappointed!

    Oh well.

    • “The things about the film that actually bothered me the most didn’t have to deal with the ‘It’ in the title but instead what characters were driven to do in order to rid themselves of ‘It’ and how that didn’t work.”

      For me, that’s really the point and why I think the movie and concept are so effective. The situation is utterly and completely hopeless because, no matter what you do, it will eventually come back to you. Or, at the very least, the threat that it will come back down to you will always be there until the day you die.

      • I understand what you mean regarding the hopelessness of the situation but that didn’t scare me.

        We are all going to die someday.

        This is food for thought now because I wonder if there needs to be another dynamic in play that was missing for me personally.

        I think the independent teen aspect of the film was SO strong that it overwhelmed the horror aesthetics which were pretty lo-fi. That’s not a bad thing; it just isn’t my thing.

    • “I do feel, however, that this is a great horror film for certain teenagers and a warning that must be heeded. Once you have sex with someone, you’ve had sex with all of the people they’ve had sex with, and don’t take the act lightly.”

      This is certainly one reading of the film’s theme (the STD metaphor theme), but I feel like it’s the laziest of all possible interpretations.

      IT FOLLOWS is better than that. Wolfman Josh hinted towards it during the review, but there are some very specific “choices” made by the monster throughout the film that support a very different reading of the theme. The filmmaker doesn’t hit us over the head with it*, but it’s apparent enough to make it clear that it was intended.

      And that’s not the only other interpretation of the film’s theme. There are several, and they all tie in perfectly with the film in one way or another.

      Possibly my favorite reading of the film has to do with the idea of innocence lost, and the realization of our own mortality that comes in our transition from childhood to adulthood – knowing that death is in our future no matter what we do. This quote from the director, David Robert Mitchell, really ties in nicely with this theme:

      “It’s about waiting for something terrible to happen and that on some level, that might be worse than when something terrible does happen. A lot of the movie is structured around the dread and anxiety that the characters feel in the spaces in between things happening or between the monster arriving. You still feel the presence of the monster even in those moments because it could show up at any time.”

      ————-

      * That’s another thing I love about this film – the filmmaker doesn’t spell everything out like we’re idiots. These thematic cues are subtly sprinkled throughout the film. He respects the audience’s intelligence, that we are able to read the visual and thematic cues presented in the film.

      • Re: the innocence lost theme, there’s a hospital scene near the end of the film with a quote from Yara reading from “The Idiot” (the book she’s reading) that really supports this interpretation:

        “When there is torture, there is pain and wounds, physical agony, and all this distracts the mind from mental suffering, so that one is tormented by the wounds until the moment of death. And the most terrible agony may not be in the wounds themselves but in knowing for certain that within an hour, then within 10 minutes, then within half a minute, now at this very instant—your soul will leave your body and you will no longer be a person, and that this is certain. The worst thing is that it is certain.”

      • My interpretation had nothing to do with STD. It was the idea that the protagonist had to muster the courage to have nasty sex with multiple strangers in order to survive. You could see the pain in her face.

        That was horrifying.

        • @The Unknown Murderer – My apologies if I read what you wrote incorrectly, but you said two things in your post that meant two different things to me…

          Thing 1:

          “I do feel, however, that this is a great horror film for certain teenagers and a warning that must be heeded. Once you have sex with someone, you’ve had sex with all of the people they’ve had sex with, and don’t take the act lightly.”

          This to me essentially speaks to the STD metaphor. After all, unless something is being sexually transmitted, what difference does it make who else they’ve slept with?

          Thing 2:

          “The things about the film that actually bothered me the most didn’t have to deal with the ‘It’ in the title but instead what characters were driven to do in order to rid themselves of ‘It’ and how that didn’t work.”

          I referenced this part of your comment above (http://horrormoviepodcast.com/horror-movie-podcast-ep-050-it-follows-2015-and-dead-as-hell-horror-podcast-crossover-reviews-of-the-pumpkinhead-franchise/#comment-15279) and interpreted it (in part) as exactly what you just said in response to the STD metaphor comment. It’s the hopelessness and desperation of the situation. Yes, we’re all going to die someday, but this is a horrifying realization, especially for someone who is just coming of age. I’m in my 30s, well beyond my coming of age period, and the idea of death still terrifies me!

          Like Wolfman Josh said earlier, I can totally understand why this movie might not be as effective for some people. I would disagree with you that the horror aesthetics are lo-fi, but there are definitely more horrifying elements to this movie when digging through the layers.

          We all have those movies that seem to work for everyone else, but for whatever reason, just do not work quite as well for us. A few of us actually discussed this very point over on the top 10 horror list comment thread >> http://horrormoviepodcast.com/horror-movie-podcast-our-top-10-all-time-favorite-horror-movie-picks/

          When you get a chance, you should pop on over there and post your top 10 horror list. I’d be really interested to see your list.

          • Thanks, Dino.

            Thing 1: connecting bodies has an effect on the mind. STD is physical, but it’s the memories I can’t shake in my personal experience. I’ve been happily married for 17 years now and if I could erase my past mistakes, I would. I think teenagers should see that the chain of attachment in this film isn’t due to physical consequences so much as what happens to the mind when we give ourselves entirely (physically, mentally and emotionally) to another human being, only to have that trust violated, and then discover that we’re all connected in that way?

            Yuck…

            That disturbs me and the film gets this across really well.

            As far as considering the effects to be lo-fi, that wasn’t a negative comment. I respect what was done with so little, and it wasn’t just budgetary, I think it was the director’s choice and it worked just fine. I consider the effects in Halloween and Texas Chainsaw Massacre to be lo-fi and those flicks are the best.

            And I agree with what was said about the TRAUMA aspect of what’s happening in the film. That was the most disturbing part, and in thinking about It Follows I realized that I find tremendously disturbing, but not scary.

            Thing 2: the scene where Jae goes to the boat to meet the three men was the most horrifying part of the movie for me because of the emotions crossing her face before she proceeded to try…if she did? We weren’t shown if she did or not…but what she considered doing…and the It when it manifested as a beaten woman with urine running down her leg…all very disturbing and upsetting. To have become part of this chain of violated and violating individuals, such as the guy she hooked up with, is horrifying to me. But the actual hair pulling and chasing and being stalked didn’t work for me as much. I did enjoy the sense of paranoia quite a bit though.

  15. @JOTD and Wolfman Josh – Re: the pool scene, what are you referring to in terms of what it was missing or specific issues you saw in it? I’m not saying you’re wrong, but I honestly have no idea what you’re talking about.

    *****POSSIBLE MINOR SPOILER FOR IT FOLLOWS*****

    One qualm I do have about the movie, which you guys mentioned, was the corn field scene. I agree that they could (read: should) have done more with it. The setup was so great: she was completely trapped, unseen, and out of it. That moment was so tense and then the scene was cut off prematurely. The next thing we know, she’s in the hospital with really no idea how she actually got there. I’m not sure her friends (or that random guy) could have gotten her to the hospital before the monster got to her… she hadn’t exactly driven that far.

    • ***SPOILERS FOR IT FOLLOWS***

      Re: the pool, it’s plain and simple for me, Dino. I wanted to see: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CLuPNThw0RE

      I think the Let the Right One In example was bad, as was mine … was it Carrie or something random? Not sure where that came from. Recently, I read that the director of It Follows was inspired by Cat People for that scene. That’s cool. Didn’t think of that. I just love pool scenes, in general. Love the pool scene in The Faculty. Love the pool scene in Gremlins. Love the pool scenes in Upstream Color. Love this climactic pool scene too. I just wanted to the them flip the switch on their plan and see all hell to break loose.

      • Ah, ok. I agree that could have been cool, but I also love that their plan didn’t work. It goes back to the beginning of the film when Hugh was initially telling Jay the rules. He said the monster was slow, but it wasn’t dumb. I thought it was great how they thought they came up with this brilliant plan which, in reality, was actually sort of crazy. So, of course, the monster would be too smart to fall for that and turned it around, literally throwing it back in their faces.

  16. I had a chuckle during the PUMPKINHEAD discussion when Dr. Shock and One Sick Puppy questioned why anyone would want to buy a digital version of a movie. I’m the complete opposite – I have no idea why anyone would want to buy a physical disc of a movie nowadays. I’m actually in the process of getting rid of my physical collection and converting to/building up my digital collection. In fact, I was going to send in a voicemail to MPW (JOTD always complains that he never gets VM for MPW ;)) with a question related to that.

    The only movies I plan to keep the physical discs for are very special collector’s editions with super cool packaging or my very favorite movies… my desert island selections, you could say. Because, you know, there’s no Internet on a desert island. Of course, there’s no power on a desert island, either, so physical discs won’t be of use other than to build a raft or create fire.

    • I’m normally pretty old fashioned when it comes to this sort of stuff but movies are oddly one of the few mediums that I don’t feel the need to own a physical copy of unless it’s an absolute favourite or something that I’ll be lending to a lot of people. I think a part of the reason is how lazy most DVD cover/Movie poster art has become these days. I want the album art and lyric sheets that come with records and I want the experience of reading a book to actually involve turning the pages but films as a physical medium seem like they have less to offer. Maybe it’s just that I wasn’t as passionate about film as I was literature and music when I was younger so I haven’t had as long to build up a collection of the former format that is big enough to feel worthy of defence and like Jay I’m not a really big re-watcher of films (unless they’re extremely close to my heart). I fear this might rile Doc and Josh to no end though! Don’t hurt me, guys!

    • My feelings on this may stem from the fact I have such a large physical collection, but there’s a part of me that wonders what happens if the device your digital copies are stored on malfunctions or, worse yet, crashes completely. In this day and age, I’m sure you can retrieve them (and “the cloud” and so forth kind of eliminate this issue, to a point), but in the meantime, they’re gone. You can’t watch them at all. I had this issue with 6 digital copies I downloaded some time ago (including RISE OF THE PLANET OF THE APES) to my old computer. It crashed, and the digital copes were gone (I downloaded them from a disc, but nonetheless, I couldn’t retrieve them, nor was I permitted to re-download them to another device).

      Also, Dino, I noticed below where you mentioned about waiting for the previews and commercials to play on DVD or Blu before the movie starts. My guess is, if it hasn’t reached this stage yet, digital copies will soon have the same, with one exception: you won’t have a “menu” button that allows you to skip them.

      • Dr. Shock – You provided the solution to the very problem you mentioned – the cloud. I’m not worried about losing my digital copies because they all reside in the cloud.

        As far as previews and federal warnings preceding digital copies, I doubt that’ll happen. Either way, that’s just conjecture at this point.

        • I think part of the division comes from us less tech-savy types finding concepts such as “The Cloud” slightly intimidating.

          Sometimes I wonder if the ultimate outcome of human evolution (should we ever be allowed to get that far) will be a kind of shared conciousness in the style of “The Cloud”. Maybe the internet is actually a very natural evolutionary step towards us becoming a unified compound being. That’s probably the only way I can ever see our race reaching a point where we are no longer divided by issues such as war, bigotry, greed and physical vs digital media debates.

        • Of course, what might or might not happen to “The Cloud” is entirely out of our hands. One rogue asteroid, and “The Cloud” is space debris (just kidding)

          The FBI warnings may not happen (though, technically, copying a digital copy is just as illegal as copying a disc, so why they’d let that go is beyond me), but i think it’s a mistake to underestimate the power of advertising. if a medium becomes big enough, it’s another avenue for generating cash, meaning the promotion of other like products (which, for a movie, is the trailer) is a foregone conclusion. I fully believe this will happen.

          • @Dr. Shock – That’s true… what happens to the cloud down the road is out of our hands, but I think it’s a safe bet that it’s the future. And, if a rogue asteroid finds its way to us, we’ll have bigger problems than digital vs. physical media! A more likely scenario is a house fire or robbery, which would completely wipe out a physical media collection. 😉

  17. I’m with David, I like to hold it in my hands and know that it is MY copy. I do enjoy the added bonus of Digital HD, but I want to hold my album or cd, I wanna look at the cover, check out the back. My wife and I go to the local Goodwills and I bust that place wide open on video games, books, movies you name it. We have a coat closet in the living room that I’ve turned it into the movie storage closet holding about 200 some odd DVDs and Blu Rays, my back room that’s kind of my nerd room/man cave has over 300 VHS tapes, and yes I have 3 VCRs, one is home up to the big screen along with Blu Ray player. I love these old mediums, I have sooooo many books and more CDs than I could count. Even records, I’m talkin full blown albums. And it’s not just an older thing I’m only 24 years old. I like the convenience of having an iPod and iPad but I want the actual movie with maybe ultraviolet, and I upload the CDs to iTunes. I himself dread the day there are no more physical copies. Netflix is really nice but nowhere near as cool as my old local video store. I do agree movies have gotten lazy. Why does every dvd need a slip cover??? But personally I’ll continue to buy all the physical copies

    • @Fritz – I know you’re talking about physical media romantically – how you like to hold it in your hands, have this physical object that “is yours,” revisiting old media formats, etc – but all I was thinking when I read your comment was – oh man, I have to get up from my couch and find the disc/tape of the movie I want to watch, then go over to the blu-ray/DVD/VHS player and put it in the machine, then wait for all the previews and federal warnings to play through before I can even start the movie… and that’s not even getting into the actual physical space in the house that this “stuff” is taking up.

      It’s a silly topic, but one that’s very polarizing. Our preferences have as much to do with our personality as it does more practical matters, like our location (i.e. if you have poor Internet coverage then you’re more likely to prefer physical media). I just laughed when it was mentioned on the show because I’m the exact opposite.

      • “but all I was thinking when I read your comment was – oh man, I have to get up from my couch and find the disc/tape of the movie I want to watch, then go over to the blu-ray/DVD/VHS player and put it in the machine, then wait for all the previews and federal warnings to play through before I can even start the movie…”

        But in a way isn’t that stuff a slightly sad thing to lose? It’s an overly nostalgic and romantic notion definitely, but on the flipside isn’t there a potential negative effect on society when people become used to excessive convenience? Maybe it’s just the cantankerous misanthrope in me but I can’t help but feel that as technology progresses generations become more entitled and impatient. Is that why most modern blockbusters can barely go an eight of a second without a jump-cut or obnoxious camera trick? I don’t know but I have a feeling there’s correlation. People don’t want to have to wait for things any more but neglect to realise that sometimes the waiting is an important part of the experience!

        I understand that this approach is entirely sentimental and subjective and also pretty hypocritical considering I’m typing it on an internet message board. I just don’t want to live in a future where my meals are cooked by a computer program and then fed to me intravenously as I stroke my digital cat and instantaneously download the entire criterion collection into my brain.

        • Note the characteristically slipshod approach to correct sentence structure in the above comment too. No doubt endemic of my impatience to post said comment. What have I become!

        • “I just don’t want to live in a future where my meals are cooked by a computer program and then fed to me intravenously as I stroke my digital cat and instantaneously download the entire criterion collection into my brain.”

          Well, that’s taking the conversation to an absolutely satirical extreme, and probably not really correlative to foregoing an antiquated system of forced advertising and federal warnings.

          More to the point, to answer your question about whether or not that’s a sad thing to lose, you’re right that it’s entirely subjective. For me, it is not sad, and it’s absolutely painful when I have to subject myself to using physical media now for those very reasons. I haven’t actually seen some of my favorite movies in awhile because I only own them on blu-ray or DVD.

          • Just to clarify, the section of my post that you quoted was very much intended as little more than a facetious remark. I’m not that much of an anti-technological-progress nutcase!

            And I do sympathise with your point. We have a limited time on this earth and I think that we can all agree that there’s only so much of that time that we should be willing to give to watching the same adverts, trailers and anti-piracy warnings. Unskippable trailers on DVD’s have always thoroughly aggravated me. I spent my money, I bought your product and you still have the audacity to force me to sit through an obnoxious amount of advertising every single time I want to view the product I purchased. That’s definitely an undeniable downside to the DVD format.

            What are your feelings on VHS though? I can’t help but feel that certain types of films are engendered a beneficial ambience when viewed on that oh-so-outdated format. Films like “The Texas Chainsaw Massacre” or “Driller Killer” are arguably rendered even more effective when viewed through the gauze of a grainy, fuzzy old video tape.

          • “Just to clarify, the section of my post that you quoted was very much intended as little more than a facetious remark.”

            I know. That was done intentionally to stack my argument against you, buddy. 😉

            To the rest of your point, I honestly think you’re over-thinking it (for me, at least). I’m not overly nostalgic. If something new comes along that I think is better or is better for my needs, then I rarely look back.

            The VHS example you gave… yes, I do have a hint of a nostalgia bone in me, and things like that are “great.” But, in my experience, that stuff is great in a romantic, cerebral sense as opposed to great in practice. I would much prefer to have a digital copy of “Chainsaw” that I can immediately begin playing whenever I wanted, jump to specific scenes in an instant or quickly scan forward or backward if needed, watch it from any place in the world without having to worry about lugging along a disc/tape plus the machine to play it in (not to mention the TV/screen to plug that machine into), or worry about if that disc gets scratched or VHS tape wears out and breaks (not to mention the need to actually rewind the tape before being able to watch it in the first place!).

            Like I said, the physical media (your VHS example, in particular) plays out better in a romantic, cerebral sense than in actual practice. At least for me.

          • Guys, I had a dream once that summarizes David’s feelings for VHS quite perfectly. In this dream, I was in a ma and pa VHS rental shop and while I was browsing around, I noticed that their entire catalog was only available on VHS and that it was primarily horror. I stepped up to the counter and asked this classic-looking biker-type gentleman with a beard as long as Billy Gibbons’ why they only carried VHS. He turned to me slowly and out of his mouth came out this grunt-like response — and I remember this with a lucidity that’s almost blinding — “HORROR IS BEST ON VHS”. His voice was so commanding that I just nodded and proceeded to wake up from my dream. It was still dark, I was a little confused, but those words were embedded forever in my mind. Anyway, I try to watch all of my movies on blu-ray :/ haha. If I had the time, the money, and the space, I would probably try to collect old classics on VHS, but alas, I don’t possess any of those. I share David’s feelings of physical media, but I also share Dino’s thoughts on digital media. I guess that’s why I try to collect things that are a little more compact than a VHS tape, but that bring me just as much joy like vinyl records, posters, and comics. When watching movies though, Netflix is king. You just can’t beat that level of convenience and price.

          • “Like I said, the physical media (your VHS example, in particular) plays out better in a romantic, cerebral sense than in actual practice. At least for me.”

            I certainly can’t deny that I’m far from the worlds most pragmatic, efficiently minded individual. I don’t know about the cerebral side of it, but I definitely have a tendency to over-romanticise the past, almost to the point of it being a character flaw. Your reasoning that digital media is more practical than its physical counterpart is hard to argue with, in part because my knowledge of the modern digital interfaces doesn’t extend much beyond the questionable efficiency of my decade old desktop (so I can’t comment on the superior efficiency of laptops and I-pads and kindle’s and things) and also because it’s just a very solid argument. It’s undeniable in fact. So the subjective element really just comes down to how much value we place on practicality in our personal lives vs the value we place on nostalgia. The important thing to note is that neither approach implies a better capacity for the appreciation of art and media. That’s a place that I’ve seen this kind of discussion go before and it makes me shudder!

            Juan: That’s an incredibly cool dream to have had. I once had a similar experience except in my dream Wolfman Josh was the guy behind the counter and when I glanced in one of the thrift store mirrors I saw that I was Scarlet Johansson.

          • And practicality is really a subjective term. What’s practical for one person will not be for another. Like I said in my original response to Fritz, having a digital media library won’t be practical for someone with a poor Internet connection (or without the proper equipment, as you said).

            So, it’s all subjective. I just thought the statement on the show of “I can’t imagine why anyone would want to buy a digital-only copy” (paraphrasing) was humorously dismissive.

          • @Juan – Grow some balls, bro! Friendly discussion never hurt anybody.

            Besides, I think my inner New Yorker has been crying out lately, trapped inside this horribly mundane midwestern prison I currently find myself in.

          • It’s also worth mentioning that certain older and more obscure films just aren’t available in a digital format. And conversely there’s a lot of movies that are out-of-print or particularly hard to find in a physical format but that are available to stream/download online.

          • Dino, are you the listener who used to walk around dangerous areas of New York late at night and all alone while listening to this podcast?

          • Haha… yep, that’s me. That was my first email into the show.

            Good memory. Although, I would amend your statement to remove the “bad areas” part. I worked in Midtown and lived in the West Village and, later, in the Financial District. So, I was walking through some of the nicer areas of Manhattan, alone, late at night, while listening to the podcast.

          • I think in my warped memory you were nocturnally ambling through places like The Bronx or Hells Kitchen but I guess being a lone wanderer anywhere in NYC at night is pretty hardcore.

            This reminds me of an idea I had for a cool HMP themed episode actually: Sleazy New York Horror. I love me some gritty, grimy NY horror flicks, especially from the 70’s and 80’s when everything looked really grotty, dirty and dismal. I’ve been trying to come up with a list of films that capture that kind of atmosphere. So far I have:

            Maniac Cop
            Basket Case
            New York Ripper
            C.H.U.D
            Driller Killer
            Q – The Winged Serpent
            Maniac
            Street Trash
            Wolfen

            I’m sure there are plenty more too!

          • I had a similar idea for a themed episode while I was living there – subway or subterranean/underground horror. Movies like CREEP (2004) and THE MIDNIGHT MEAT TRAIN (2008) come to mind.

          • “Also, many have said that they can enjoy a movie better when they have to physically insert a disc because they feel more involved in the process. I don’t get this. A movie is a movie is a movie… if I’m watching THE TEXAS CHAIN SAW MASSACRE via digital file and you’re watching it via DVD, we’re watching the same exact movie.”

            I think the enhanced enjoyment of a movie when having to “physically insert a disc” comes not from any perceived positive effect on the media itself but instead from the human tendency towards ritualisation. It’s like getting popcorn at the movies. Is popcorn really the most delicious thing you can think of to eat while at the cinema? Probably not (unless overly sweetened/salted styrofoam is your idea of a gourmet meal) but for some of us the strength of cultural tradition becomes the overriding force. This is neither a good or bad thing in my opinion, just a strange quirk in human nature.

          • @David – Re: enhanced enjoyment from ritualistic behavior, that’s a fair point. Of course, we can develop ritualistic behaviors around any activity, including selecting a digital copy of a movie to play.

            One thing is true, though – if #juavino ever found itself together at a bar, epic and endless conversation of SHAUN OF THE DEAD proportions would be had.

        • Digital copies = the first step on the road to the future as depicted in WALL-E.

          Hmm.. I like that!

          Seriously, though, I prefer the physical copies, and the reason why dates back to my childhood, remembering what it was like the first time I put a blank videotape into the recorder and taped a movie off of cable. I had been a movie fan for a few years prior to the time my family bought our first VCR, and I remember how it was when the closest you could get to “experiencing” the classics, or “re-experiencing” the movies I loved, was staring at photos in books or on trading cards (there was a time I had the complete sets of Topps trading cards for a few movies, such as ’78s SUPERMAN and CLOSE ENCOUNTERS OF THE THIRD KIND. I vividly remember one day laying out every SUPERMAN card on the floor, in sequential order, which was the only way at that time I could “re-watch” the movie). Never in my wildest dreams did I imagine I could OWN a movie! The feeling of being able to watch a film whenever I wanted… to pop a tape in and record CITIZEN KANE, CASABLANCA, or the original FRANKENSTEIN when they played on TV… the realization that a beloved movie was MINE, that was a very powerful feeling. Hell, it still is!

          I suppose the best way for me to explain my own feelings about digital is to equate it to other “collectoins”. Say, for example, movie posters. If someone told me they had a large collection of movie posters, then pulled out an iPod and showed me images of them stored on their device, it wouldn’t impress me as much as someone who had an attic filled with physical posters. Sure, they can look at them and admire them just as much as someone who owns a physical copy (maybe more so, because they can find them easier, and don’t have to worry about rolling them back up). And, of course, such a poster collection isn’t taking up the space a physical one might. But for me… it’s just not the same.

          The above is an extreme example, I know, but being a collector from way back, i just don’t feel it’s “mine” if I can’t hold it (a point already made above). Old-fashioned, I know, but hey… we can’t all be cutting edge!

          • “Grow some balls, bro! Friendly discussion never hurt anybody.”

            Damnit Dino! You just had to go and provoke me. Now feel my rage ARGH!!! Haha, I’m all for friendly discussion, bro. I was just trying to calm you down before popped a vein. I briefly said what I thought on the physical vs. digital media debate, so you know where I stand. My heart wants to get physical (PHYSICAL!), but my mind wants the opposite. As with everything in life, each option has its share of advantages and disadvantages, so it’s more of a personal matter than anything else. I do agree with you in that flat out dismissing digital media was kind of weird of Karl to do. He’s such a big sci-fi fan that I thought he’d be more pro-technology. Anyway, everyone just go get a beer and leave me alone! Hahaha.

          • “My heart wants to get physical…”

            I see what you did there. Btw, it wasn’t Karl (you’re getting your MPN podcast mixed up again!).

          • @Dr. Shock – I’m ashamed to admit that I collected the entire JAWS 3D trading card set. Yep, true story.

            What you said about your preference for physical copies dating back to your childhood speaks directly to the fact that this is a completely subjective discussion. As such, there’s no right or wrong answer, just a right or wrong answer for each of us individually. I’ll never convince you (or many others on this site, apparently!) that digital is the way to go because you’ve arrived at your decision from a very personal, subjective point of view. I should also point out that my intention in bringing up the topic was never to convince anyone that my way (digital) was the best way (and I definitely never intended or thought that this discussion would explode in the way it has!). I just wanted to point out that digital should not summarily be dismissed.

            I do have an issue with the example you gave here regarding a movie poster collection, though, because I do not think it’s an analogous situation to a movie collection. The value, or enjoyment, from having a movie poster collection is seeing the actual posters. In other words, when you’re “enjoying” the collection, you’re looking at the actual movie posters, so looking at images of the posters on a screen or device is not the same thing. The enjoyment from a movie collection, for me at least, is having the ability to watch these movies wherever and whenever I want. I’m not sitting in front of the DVD cases and admiring them for hours every day. I’m actually watching the movie itself, which is done on the same screen whether the movie is being delivered via physical disc or digital file. So, I don’t think your example is a fair comparison.

            **********

            Also, many have said that they can enjoy a movie better when they have to physically insert a disc because they feel more involved in the process. I don’t get this. A movie is a movie is a movie… if I’m watching THE TEXAS CHAIN SAW MASSACRE via digital file and you’re watching it via DVD, we’re watching the same exact movie.

            And, if you find yourself quickly stopping and switching movies when streaming digitally, then you need to do a better job of finding quality movies to watch! And… that’s one of the main reasons why we all listen to HMP.

          • “Digital copies = the first step on the road to the future as depicted in WALL-E.”

            Is the stuff I mentioned actually a reality in “WALL-E”? That’s a Disney movie right? That’s pretty dark stuff for the house o’ mouse.

          • I just don’t trust the cloud. It gives, but it could just as easily be taken away. They are always looking for ways to screw consumers. I like to know that it’s mine to protect my collection as much as possible.

            Sure, I use Netflix and Amazon Prime as rentals all the time, but I don’t buy there unless they just aren’t available elsewhere. There is also no comparing the quality of a BluRay vs Netflix. BabyBlu looks so much better, it’s ridiculous.

            I like when a BluRays comes with a digital copy. Saves me the trouble of having to rip it for my other devices. I buy a ton of digital music now and rarely if ever buy CDs anymore, but I often buy vinyl records now and I am more apt to buy them if they come with a digital copy as well. To me, that’s the gold standard: my favorite physical format paired with an easily accessible digital copy.

          • @Wolfman Josh –

            “They are always looking for ways to screw consumers.”

            Well, that’s a cynical approach to life!

            In all seriousness, though, that’s a risk I’m willing to take because it’s such a small risk. The cloud is basically what the big tech companies are now building their business around, so I don’t think it’s going anywhere.

            That said, I still plan to keep physical copies of my favorite movies for nostalgia/collector purposes, similar to how you feel about music/vinyl.

            As for the quality, generally, you’re right that blu-ray is superior. But, Netflix is beginning to stream content in 4k where available, and that is going to become more prevalent across the board in streaming in the near future. So, there goes the quality argument for blu-ray. One thing is for certain, though: streaming media will continue to iterate and improve, while physical media will always stay the same. Actually, physical media will continue to degrade in quality with every use and/or scratch it acquires over time. #justsayin

  18. David, a while ago you brought up the movie PANDORUM and I asked the community if they remembered a similar movie that came out around the same time. I don’t think anyone answered, but I found the movie. It was driving me crazy, but now my madness has subsided. The movie is EDEN LOG and it came out in 2007, two years prior to PANDORUM. Having read their synopsis, they are actually very different movies, but they do share a similar plot point. They both start with a character that awakes from cryogenic sleep with a case of amnesia. Also, they’re both science fiction horror. I remember watching PANDORUM, but I don’t remember if I ever got to EDEN LOG. Now I’m curious.

    • I’m so glad you figured out what movie it was that you referenced back in that “Pandorum” discussion because at the time it had me very much intrigued. This is something I definitely need to track down. I just love sci-fi horror so bloody much but there’s so little of it out there.

    • Eden Log actually doesn’t start with a character waking from cryogenic sleep, but it is similar, I suppose. I reviewed it on Dead as Hell recently. You should definitely give it a watch.

      • That’s just what I read on wikipedia One Sick Puppy, don’t decapitate the messenger haha. Actually you’re right, it doesn’t say anything about cryogenic sleep, but it does say that the character wakes up with amnesia. I guess I half made up the facts haha, sorry.

          • Did you just spoil the ending of a terrible movie just so I won’t watch it? That’s the equivalent of taking a bullet for me, or sleeping with my girlfriend just to prove that she’s a slut, or knocking me unconscious just so I don’t drive while inebriated.

            #thanksbro

          • “Did you just spoil the ending of a terrible movie just so I won’t watch it?”

            Not at all. There’s nothing that interesting in the movie “The Messengers”. I just think that if it ever had the astounding fortitude to become an anthropomorphic entity then it should be swiftly despatched via decapitation.

  19. Very interesting discussion in this week’s podcast. I always enjoy hearing One Sick Puppy and his analysis and opinions.

    @ JOTD you’ve brought up this interesting point again about a parent seeking revenge after losing a child as the most intense kind of revenge there is. You pointed this out in “Friday the 13th,” “Kill Bill,” and “Pumpkinhead” among other films. While I am also a parent now, I can finally understand this idea, but I wonder if the PERSONAL humiliation revenge factor is STRONGER than the child loss rage.

    For example, in a movie like “I Spit on Your Grave,” or “Carrie” the character seeks a similar insane vengeance on those who tormented her. “Prom Night,” “Slaughter High”, (and to a goofy extent “The Toxic Avenger.” haha) These characters did not lose a child or a loved one, yet seemed to extract almost more maniacal rage because of their own humiliation. It was more personal to them, and sometimes the torment was sexual in nature, which would be especially degrading.

    I bring this up only because I absolutely love the exploitation revenge films. I think in movies, this type of revenge hits harder than that of Frank Harley in “Pumpkinhead.” In real life, losing the child would of course drive me mad, but on film and in a fictional world, I say the types of revenge I mentioned above are more brutal, more interesting, and more intense. There’s something about watching that barbaric torture in some of these movies that fuels the fire more for me. No offense to Frank Harley, but I think that movie would have been better if his rage was born out of the teenagers doing something to him. (mutilation, rape, etc.)
    I wanted to bring this up. It really got me thinking. Does anyone have thoughts on this?

    • @Grey Imp – I’m a fan of revenge films, too. They seem roughly like the equivalent to a “vengeful parent” film for characters/people who are not parents. I’m not so sure you can definitively say one is more severe, or stronger, than the other. We’re at the mercy of the filmmakers and the examples they give us for that.

      From my perspective, the vengeful parent story has the added element of the helpless, innocent child being the one wrongfully harmed, which I think adds a little something extra to the horror. That said, there’s no denying that a film like I SPIT ON YOUR GRAVE is one of the most severe examples of revenge in cinema. It’s an interesting point, for sure.

      • Also revenge stories, now that I think about it more, could either be the protagonist is seeking revenge (“Kill Bill”, “I Spit…”, etc.) or the protagonist is stalked/antagonized by one seeking revenge (a la Alice meets Mrs. Voorhees in “F13”).
        I wonder if there is a difference at all between the two. I’m trying to think which is typically more brutal and violent. I guess, Dino, your point is well made, it depends on what the filmmakers are trying to say!
        Sorry to ramble, I could go on all day about the revenge films…It’s a great sub-genre.

    • I’m not sure this is something we can definitively answer. Largely, revenge is a thing of the past. We have to rely on the “justice system” for consolation. There are some things that spring only from the minds of writers in this age. How far are you willing to go in a fantasy scenario visualized in your mind? Which is more personal to you? The writer has to push that as far as the movie container will allow in the market the movie will be sold in. That’s why Lifetime movies are enough for some people and Hostel 2 is not enough for others.

  20. Wow, I only just found out that the unmistakable Robert Z’Dar died almost a month ago. He had appeared in a countless array of action-exploitation flicks and horror B-movies but was probably most recognisable for the titular role in the “Maniac Cop” series.

    Apologies if this has already been mentioned and I somehow missed it but it’s sad news to me.

  21. As far as the tape breaking or VCR eating it, that’s one thing that really helped me learn to take care of my things lol. As far as all the fbi warning crap that’s one thing I like better about a VHS tape is that you can fast forward through that mess. Some of the trailers are very nostalgic especially the Disney ones. “Coming soon to theaters summer 1996” “and now our feature presentation. Love those. Maybe most of mine is nostalgia seeing as I’m probably the last generation to remember VHS tapes, cassette tapes, CDs, and DVDs were this brand new super high quality format lol . I do watch a lot on Netflix and YouTube but as far as buying a new movie digital only just isn’t enough, I wish they weren’t $24.00 for the blu Ray digital combo but at least if my computer crashes or I run out of room on my iPad I can just grab the movie. Getting up and putting it in the player is not that much of a hassle at all to me, makes me feel like I’m more involved and honestly I can pay more attention that when I just hit the play icon lol I don’t know why

    • Fritz, I also have a place in my heart for some of those old Disney pre-presentation trailers. I guess when I was a kid I must have watched the same videos over and over again because some of those seem to be permanently ingrained in my memory. The stuff at the beginning of my 20th Century Fox Home Alone VHS is also dear to my heart. I remember being kind of creeped out by the Edward Scissorhands trailer on that tape. I think when we’re kids were far more tolerant of seeing all that extraneous crap ad nauseam though.

    • Fritz
      I totally agree. I love netflix and Amazon Prime, but I try to explain this to people and I get weird blank confusion. Alas I found someone who sort of gets what I mean I think…
      Clicking on the streaming icon is so instant, but clicking out of the movie is equally as instant. I find myself watching 10 minutes or so of some horror movie, getting bored, then going back to the list of movies and picking another one. Sometimes this goes on and on and I just get tired and don’t actually get to watch a movie. You are right, with the DVD or VHS, it was a whole process and journey of being more “involved” to select the movie, pay, bring it home, anticipate it, etc. You were kinda stuck with that movie, and you HAD to finish it. It was more of a mental commitment to rent a movie back then. You had to be real selective of what you rented and the cover art of the box was crucial to your rental… I miss those days!

  22. I am looking forward to watching “It Follows” but time is a little dragging at the moment. I need to make some time since I already missed some key films this past year. Ugh. But I did catch Contracted… my wife really liked the movie, I sort of felt it dragged a little and I couldn’t keep my attention on it at the time.

    Regarding the first Pumpkinhead film: I totally agree with the interpretation of Jay- Ed Harley was absolutely consigned to torment after his very dark action. There was no salvation for Ed once he made his pact. The witch was clear on this- his later sacrifice would spare others, but his torment was guaranteed one way or the other. Additionally, Ed was warned by the witch that part of the price he would pay would be to feel what his victims felt. Throughout his transformation he would literally grab the point on his body that was subsequently being stabbed, slashed, or in some way hurt on Pumpkinhead’s victim. Now, to me, this was very sad and horrific, but it also spoke to Ed’s own heroism at the end. It wasn’t just about stopping what he knew was wrong- he sacrificed himself not only to end it but to spare those he could. Ed Harley is a tragic figure, to be sure.

    Now, regarding Pumpkinhead 2- I honestly believe, time-wise, that this movie is more of a prequel to the first film. I did not know the whole history of the film and the adaptation of another script until listening to this podcast, so I always saw this film as a prequel to the first film with regards to continuity. When looked at in that context it makes a little bit of sense… still an awful film, though. I mean, gadawful. But that’s how I see it in the series.

    Then I’m going to head over to the other podcast, which I never heard of until this podcast- to be honest, I’m fairly new to listening to podcasts and have been doing so since roughly September or so and enjoy listening at work. I’m always looking for new casts since listening to back episodes of the shows I do like eventually dry up since I eventually get caught up and am then just sort of feening for a new cast. But, just to get my thoughts out before I even listen-

    I liked parts 4 and 5 much more than I did part 2. They weren’t as good as part 1, but they weren’t awful either. That’s my two cents, now I’m off.

    • @redcapjack – If you’re looking for more horror podcasts after catching up with all of JOTD’s back catalog of shows (The Weekly Horror Movie Podcast, Horror Metropolis, and this one, of course), then I would recommend heading over to http://www.horroronthego.com/catalog/previous-podcasts/ to check out all of BillChete’s previous horror-themed shows (many of which include JOTD, Wolfman Josh, and Dr. Shock, among others).

      Also, I would definitely suggest trying to see IT FOLLOWS in theaters. The experience is not to be missed.

      @JOTD – I hope you don’t mind my linking to BillChete’s site here.

        • Also check out our sister shows. They are’t exclusively horror podcasts, but we do occasionally cover horror films on all of them. There is The Sci-Fi Podcast with some of our frequent guests talking about science fiction, Movie Podcast Weekly with Jay and network friends talking about movies new in theaters, and Movie Stream Cast that I do with several network friends where we cover streaming movies. You can find links to these on the sidebar in the right of the main page here on horrormoviepodcast.com

          • Thank you wolfman, I plan to try a couple of those… I tend not to watch a lot of theater-released movies and I tend more toward “Genre” films in general. (horror, sci-fi, Fantasy, noir, pulp, et al.) I’m not a big fan of Hollywood Drama and pretty much can’t stand what passes for comedy in most big budget movies. I did try the sci-fi podcast but keep forgetting to check for new episodes.

  23. @Dr. Shock – Have you seen IT FOLLOWS yet? I’d be interested in hearing your thoughts on the movie.

    @JOTD and Wolfman Josh – Where are you guys? Get in the IT FOLLOWS discussion here!

    • Speaking of It Follows, I interpreted the movie a little differently from you guys although after reading Dino’s interpretation and hearing Josh’s interpretation, they both make more sense than mine. Beware, there might be spoilers below.

      For me the “It” wasn’t something specific, but rather a personal projection of one’s conscience. That’s why “It” never looked the same and that’s why even after “passing” it to someone else, you were still able to see it. It was, in a way, a physical representation of one’s state of mind or one’s conscience at the time. Whether the feeling is remorse, worry, shame, etc., they’re all feelings that follow you around and even people you care about feel towards you, hence the “It” taking the shape of your loved ones. There is a scene at the very beginning when the first victim is sitting at the beach talking to her dad and she’s basically clearing her conscience because she knows what’s coming. As far as the STD themes are concerned, I think they were very present, but like Dino said, that was just one layer and probably the easiest one to decipher.

      That’s all I got.

      • @Juan – I like what you said here and think that’s a perfectly plausible reading of the film.

        *****SPOILERS FOR IT FOLLOWS*****

        Especially when you consider the scene “when something happens across the street” (still trying to be somewhat vague, here). Jay sees the monster as Greg immediately preceding and following “the event,” and it would seem to reason that she would be thinking of him at both those times.

        This reading of the film is somewhat analogous to the interpretation that (I think) Wolfman Josh vaguely referenced on the show (please correct me if I’m wrong, Josh), but his interpretation takes it a step further to say the monster specifically reflects our fears or past trauma. We see this particularly when the monster takes the form of Greg’s mom as it “grinds” him to death (hinting towards past sexual trauma at the hands of his mother), or later when it takes the form of Jay’s father (referencing Jay’s emotional trauma from his likely death, which we can surmise by his absence, the mother’s drinking, and the fact that his picture was still hanging on the wall, therefore ruling out divorce/abandonment).

        Importantly, though, I don’t think your reading of the film is counter to or exclusive from Wolfman Josh’s or my reading of the film. I see them all as complimentary to each other. There are so many layers to this film.

    • Dino: Unfortunately, I seldom get to see movies on first-run these days, though I do intend to see IT FOLLOWS as soon as possible. From what I’ve been hearing / reading, it’s well worth checking out.

  24. Just wanted to drop by and thank the listeners for checking out part 2 of the crossover with HMP. It warms my cockles, and perhaps even the subcockles.

    Thanks Jay and Doc for helping me out.

  25. I don’t know if one of you already posted this, but A Girl Walks Home Alone at Night is streaming now on Netflix. I’ll try to watch it tonight, but it’s not likely. I can’t wait to hear the reviews though.

    • That’s awesome news, Juan. Thanks for bringing that to our attention.

      It’s awfully convenient that Netflix seems to have been adding movies to their streaming catalog in coordination with HMP’s coverage lately. I’ll probably re-watch GIRL tonight or tomorrow to prepare for the review. I’m a huge fan of the movie, but it definitely won’t be for everyone.

    • Woah! Really? Usually they wait until after a BluRay release. Crazy. You should check out the movie before listening to the podcast. It’s best to go in knowing nothing.

        • Filmmakers just don’t make much money from Netflix. I can see releasing to Hulu, iTunes, Amazon, etc that puts & straight into the filmmakers pocket. But, to me, Netflix is the the video rental store of the present where the number of rentals isn’t reflected in the filmmakers’ income.

          • You would know more about that side of business than I would. And it’s a good and very, very valid point. Though in terms of availability, affordability, and convenience, I think Netflix is great for us. As for the filmmakers themselves, it seems it’s not so great. So what to do?

          • I consider Netflix a great place for rentals, but I try to buy anything I really like for my collection and to support great cinema! Buying a physical copy is an added bonus for me to get the better quality, the archive, and any added art or bonus features.

          • I would think Netflix brings non-monetary value to filmmakers, though, in the form of wide exposure and distribution of their film. Especially the lesser-known ones.

  26. I am a little late to the game on this one because of some family issues that I had to deal with and travel for, but I finally got to see ‘It Follows’ and I loved it.
    A few thoughts on your conversation about it-
    1) I like the terminator comparison but one thing I thought of when seeing it was ‘Westworld’ in the relentless walking towards the target
    2) I liked the pool scene, did not have the problems with it that you guys had
    3) My only complaint was the boat scene. What happened? A little too ambiguous for me ( and yet I applaud the ambiguity of the ending so I guess I am a hypocrite)
    4) I am glad they didn’t do an ‘origins’ part. I am guessing any sequels will get into this as well. It struck me that this movie was done with the possibilities of sequels in the directors mind
    5) I actually thought that Detroit, while not really explicitly mentioned until the reference to the 8 mile, was a heavy theme. The dilapidated landscape was a something that helped greatly with the atmosphere.

    • @Christian B – Sorry to hear about the family issues. Hopefully things are holding together for you.

      Re: the boat scene, I originally interpreted that as being clear she “did the deed” with the three guys. Thinking about it now, though, I suppose you’re right in that it was left rather ambiguous. I prefer to think she went through with it because that supports the dark theme of just how far she was willing to go to try and buy some extra time. It makes her transformation and “loss of innocence” that much more extreme and disturbing. Even if she didn’t, I guess the fact that she at least considered doing it supports that thought, so maybe the confirmation is not quite as important.

      As far as potential sequels… man, I really hope that doesn’t happen. This is a gem, and I hope they let it stand on its own.

      Btw, do I remember correctly that you live in NYC (Brooklyn, maybe)? I lived there for 10 years before leaving around this time last year. I miss it….

      • Dino- Thanks for the thoughts, appreciate it.
        At first I also thought she had sex with them but then I thought that if she did then the ‘monster’ returned relatively quickly for having had to kill at least a couple of people. I don’t know. I certainly feel she was thinking about it but not sure if she decided to back out or not. I don’t know. Doesn’t really change how I feel about the movie at all so doesn’t really matter I suppose, just would have liked a little more clarity (though I certainly may have missed something).
        As for sequels I agree I would much rather have it be a stand alone. I do believe a sequel is inevitable though but can only hope that a studio doesn’t take control and the director/writer does it himself. I would only trust him not to completely F it up. The more I think about the film the gladder I am they didn’t get into any origin story.
        As for NYC you are close. I grew up in Manhattan and currently live on Long Island. In between I lived in Boston for 4 years, Alabama for about 10 years and NC for 1. I think everyone should be forced to live in NYC for a few years because it is wonderful to experience all the culture, diversity, and everything else. It does gradually eat away at the soul though because it is still too expensive, overcrowded and people get grumpier and grumpier the longer they are there. When I moved to Alabama I kept thinking “It sure is nice not getting yelled at by strangers for no reason when I just go to the grocery store”.

        • You’re right about NYC eating away at your soul. My wife (girlfriend at the time) and I wanted to live there for at least a good chunk of our 20s, so we moved there a few years after college. It was great at first, but people don’t realize how difficult it is to actually live in the city. After about 6 years (and our first child), we were ready to leave. It took us another 4 years to actually get ourselves out! That said, I agree that everyone should live there for at least some part of their life. Not to sound schmaltzy, but I know NY changed both my wife and I in positive ways, and we’re grateful for that.

      • Found this on Wikipedia-
        “Following the film’s success, Radius-TWC co-president Tom Quinn announced that the studio is looking into a possible sequel.[31] Quinn has expressed the idea of flipping the concept of the first film around, with Maika Monroe’s Jay or another protagonist going down the chain to find the origin of “it.”

  27. Just listened to this episode again.

    When I saw It Follows for the second time in the theatre, there was only one other gentleman in there with me. He sat directly behind the seat I was in. Being that I knew what I was in for at that time, the creep factor went to 11.

    Another thing that most people do not bring up with the film (hopefully I’m not repeating any comment from up above) is that there is only one cell phone in the whole movie. After the girl phones her father in the beginning, the devices do not exist in that world any longer.

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