Horror Movie Podcast Ep. 056: Maggie (2015) and Dr. Walking Dead’s State of the Zombie Address

HMP SOTZombieWelcome to Episode 056 of HORROR MOVIE PODCAST, where we’re Dead Serious About Horror Movies… In this zombie-related episode, our esteemed co-host Dr. Walking Dead is here with his zombie expertise to help Jay of the Dead Feature Review the arthouse zombie film “Maggie” (2015), and Kyle also brings us his State of the Zombie Address. You don’t want to miss this one — especially if you’re a zombie lover!

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SHOW NOTES:

I. Introduction
— Official co-host Dr. Walking Dead is with us!
— The Loss of Betsy Palmer
— Listen to Jay of the Dead’s guest appearance on BillChete’s audio broadcast Horror on the Go: Horror Genre Classification
— Celebrating Scott’s brilliant comment in Episode 055.


[ 0:06:38 ] II. Feature Review: MAGGIE (2015) (Non-Spoiler Section)
Jay of the Dead = 7.5 ( Rental )
Dr. Walking Dead = 7.5 ( Rental )


[ 0:55:15 ] III. SPOILERS for Maggie (2015)


[ 1:06:16 ] IV. Dr. Walking Dead’s STATE OF THE ZOMBIE ADDRESS


V. Wrap-Up / Plugs / Ending


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66 thoughts on “Horror Movie Podcast Ep. 056: Maggie (2015) and Dr. Walking Dead’s State of the Zombie Address

  1. Very pleased with your ratings for Maggie…I gave it a 7.5 also in my post a few shows back after seeing it but I had talked myself down to a 6.5 but that’s before I had heard any other opinions so after your discussion I stand buy my original 7.5…Great review guys!!!

    • Thanks for your comment, Shannon. Yeah, “Maggie” is actually a good movie. But it could have been a GREAT movie — even in the Horror genre — and I think that’s what hurts… So close!
      JOTD

  2. Can’t wait to give it a listen, back at work on the tow boat so might take a day or two to have enough time

  3. SPOILERS!!!
    I listened to the podcast before I went to work and I couldn’t stop thinking about your take on the ending Jay and thats not my take on it…so I’m at home at lunch and I rewatched the ending again and this is what I saw happen…I don’t believe Arnold was sleeping because when Maggie leaves the room he gets up and looks for the shotgun shell on the floor and they show the closeup of him putting the shell in the gun…I believe at this point he realizes that she is too far gone and makes the decision that he has no choice but to end her suffering…So Maggie deciding to take her own life..she is taking this burden off her father because she knows this will probably destroy him as it would any parent being forced to kill one of thier own children…Anyways these are my thoughts on the ending…

  4. Listening to your review of Maggie and it sounds quite similar to a British movie from a few years ago called Harold’s Going Stiff. It’s about an older man suffering from a degenerative disease called Rigor’s disease. It can actually be quite funny though it’s not a comedy per se.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b0Ctm7PK1qU

  5. Over the last two weeks I’ve heard about people being buried alive, zombies roaming around, parking lots and housing developments built on graveyards, I’m definitely going to be cremated!

    Did you guys see Contracted? It’s an infected movie but at the end the infected person exhibits zombie behaviors and then the movie’s over. It feels like an infected/zombie movie that takes place before the infection has spread. I’m not necessarily recommending it. I mostly, remember it being female body horror.

    • Both Jay and Josh have reviewed “Contracted” at different times on past episodes. If I recall correctly, Jay liked it a lot and Josh really disliked it.

      • And for what it’s worth, I really hated it and Dino thought it was pretty good. David, you’re the tiebreaker. It’s up to you to set Dino and Jay straight!

        • You’ll no doubt be waiting a while for the tie-breaking. From what I’ve heard it doesn’t sound like my kind of horror movie at all so I’m in no rush to see it.

          • Yeah, David, I was going to say that I don’t think it’s your type of movie.

  6. Dr. Walking Dead…As being a huge zombie fan…my favorite horror genre by far…After listening to your State of the Zombie Address…I just ordered your American Zombie Gothic book and pre ordered your upcoming book…Makes me so happy that I’m not alone with my fascination of zombies in all ways and every interpretation…I am honored to be one of your new students!!!

    • Thanks, Shannon! My first book really is the “Master Class” on the zombie sub genre, and the new book will be more case study and close reading. I hope you enjoy them, and thanks for your support!

  7. Another great show! What the name of the movie mentioned by Dr. walking Dead? It was a play on Grapes of Wrath.

  8. Another wonderfully thought provoking episode guys! It’s always an utter thrill to hear Dr. Walking Dead expound so articulately and intelligently about this genre.

    I especially loved his insight into the way the zombie film has evolved away from static fortification and towards sustained abscondment. Brilliant stuff Dr. Bishop but please humour me while I attempt to propose an admittedly feeble and poorly conceived counterpoint to the suggestion that this is a shift towards a more hopeful tone: Could the unremitting travel and reluctance to settle down not also denote a sense of the puncture and deflation of the US homelands bubble of safety and security. Maybe with the penetrative nature of 9/11 came the dawning realisation that the concept of “home” as a place that’s always safe and beyond the reach of danger is in fact an illusion. Nowhere is truly beyond the reach of terror and our zombie narrative protagonists have lost the hope that they might one day make a home of a stronghold and ride out the storm; instead they are doomed to the weariness and restlessness of constant motion, in a way mirroring the fate of the living dead themselves.

    • David–

      I think that’s some TREMENDOUS insight into the shift to mobility. Yes, “home” is no longer safe in a post-9/11 climate, and people are pretty cynical about anywhere being “safe.” As The Walking Dead overtly argues, our pursuit of safety May in fact turn us into living versions of the zombie. Mindless, aimless, hopeless. :/

      • There’s almost something of religious Scripture about it. The wicked left to roam the earth after the Rapture. “Roam” being the key verb.

        And thanks for responding, Dr. Walking Dead. If I had lecturers like you when I went to Uni I might not have dropped out after a term!

    • LOVE LOVE LOVE this point. Seriously- I have nothing else to add but just wanted to mention it. Great analysis over all and a great counter point right here. This is why I love this podcast.

      Sorry to hear about “Maggie” though, because I really wanted to see it.

  9. And the point about the characters in “Dead Snow” failing to survive because they mistakenly identify the draugr as conventional zombies has given me a whole new appreciation for the genius self-awareness at the core of that film.

  10. I love it when you guys bring up the really obscure Zombie movies in passing. Last week I think it was Jay who mentioned “The Video Dead” (I don’t care what anyone says, I like that movie) and then Dr. Walking Dead dropping “The Grapes of Death” in this episode. I’ve not seen the latter film but it must be relevant to what you guys were talking about as one of its alternate titles is just straight up “Pesticide”! I’m also glad that Kyle mentioned it being pretty good because I’ve always avoided it in the past due to my confusing it with “The Vineyard” which I’ve heard is pretty bad. Now I’m fully aware they’re two different movies and “The Grapes of Death” is going on my to-watch list.

    • Grapes of Dearh is more in the Italian style, so while the acting isn’t great, the effects and the gore are pretty over the top. Let’s just say a zombie performs an unwanted mastectomy on a nurse. . . .

  11. Gotta say this one slipped completely under my radar, haven’t even heard of it. But sounds very very interesting, gonna see if I can’t find this one and give it a view

  12. Excellent and thought-provoking episode, fellas. The zombie genre is one that I really like, but am admittedly less familiar with than other sub-genres.

    The sub-genre is obviously ripe with rich themes and social commentary, which you expounded on in a very articulate and interesting way. It has really lit a fire under me to become more familiar with the zombies.

    While listening, I couldn’t help but think of STAKE LAND a few times. It’s striking to me that some of the social influencers (9/11, social detachment through personal devices, etc) that inform the modern zombie sub-genre also spill over to other sub-genres. Can you think of other non-zombie movies with zombie ***thematic elements*** (cringe)?

    • “The Purge” movies might have similar themes as far as I’m aware, though I haven’t seen them myself and gather that many might contest their place in the horror genre.

      • I haven’t seen ANARCHY, but I think THE PURGE is solidly in the horror genre. That said, I don’t get the same zombie themes or atmosphere from it as in a movie like STAKE LAND (or actual zombie movies, of course).

        Incidentally, I think you might enjoy THE PURGE. It’s a decent enough movie with some solid suspense build-up.

    • Also I find it interesting that recent zombie cinema is sort of intrinsically linked to terrorism yet we never see any horror movies specifically dealing with that most horrifying of topics in a non-allegorical way. Would it just be too soon for those issues to be tackled without it seeming distasteful or is it in fact the duty of the horror film to help us process such anxieties without staring them straight in face. Is it part of the genres fundamental make-up that it should help us address such tangible fears on a subconscious level through metaphor. Or would a horror movie about terrorism just be totally ridiculously dumb?

      • In some ways, all post-9/11 zombie films are about terrorism. Allegory is the only way we can handle those themes right now. Movies in which the US triumphs over terrorists are fine,as are films in which US cities are destroyed by things OTHER than terrorists, but a “successful terrorist” film? I don’t think so.

        The zombie is the great “terrorist” because it’s a “brain-washed” monster that looks a lot like us. It has an ideology of destruction and nothing more. And even our closest friends and family can be converted to its ranks. THAT’s what terrifies in the Age of Terror.

  13. THIS AWESOME COMMENT HAS SPOILERS FOR THE ENDING OF “MAGGIE” (2015). —JOTD
    I was able to see Maggie before listening to the spoilers, which is nice. I really like the way it ended. One angle that I don’t think anyone mentioned, and I don’t want to be too far from left field, but I saw Maggie ending her life as a feminist move of the film (not that this was intentional). The daddy-daughter relationship, both in popular culture and popular conceptions otherwise, tends to be patriarchal: fathers choosing whom their daughters will and won’t date, where they’ll go to school, being generally overprotective, etc. For the entirety of the film we are shown that Maggie’s fate is Wade’s choice. In the end, however, it is her choice, and it is not only empowering for her but also, as Kyle mentioned, a fitting end for the tone of the film.

  14. Dr. Walking Dead’s breakdown of the inner workings of Dead Snow and its sequel left me shaking my head in amazement. WOW.

    Thank you for causing me to raise my estimation of those two films so much higher. I was no fan before, but now I’ve reconsidered and like them so much more than I did.

    Seriously, I didn’t understand. And knowing is half the battle.

    • My experience was similar; although I did like the first “Dead Snow” just fine (I still haven’t seen the sequel) the discussion in this episode was pretty epiphanous for me. I think I subconsciously struggled to get my head around the nature of the zombies in the movie. Something didn’t sit right with me, the lore or motivation or something. Now I realise it’s my lack of knowledge regarding this draugr monster that’s to blame. That adds such a brilliant, genius extra dimension to the film.

      I guess some of us were as suckered in as the characters in the movie with our expectations of the conventional mechanics of the zombie genre.

      • Exactly! Which is why Dead Snow is so brilliant. It’s something of an indictment of the Hollywood zombie film industry and a celebration of other monstrous folklores. Plus: killing monsters with snowmobiles.

  15. I know this is a movie podcast, but I would’ve really enjoyed a more in-depth look at The Last of Us. It tells a fascinating story with excellent characters who make very human, very questionable choices. I haven’t seen Maggie, and even though it sounds great, I can’t help but think of The Last of Us when the father/daughter dynamic is brought up. Dr. Bishop, please think about including a segment on The Last of Us in one of the future episodes. I would love to hear your insights on it, especially if you include in the downloadable content which gives us about an hour or two of backstory from Ellie’s point of view. It adds so many layers to her character. The rest of you (Josh, Jay, Doc Shock) should really give it a try if you can. It’s one of the best videogames from the last generation and one of the best stories of “infected” from any medium that you could think of. Has anyone else played the game?

    • I did once for about 15 minutes at the Sony Experience store in NYC about a year and a half ago. I miss that place. It was one of my favorite places to go and kill time whenever I needed a break during the day.

      The game was good, but my experience with it was far too limited to comment further on it.

        • Believe me, I want to. I’m sure I would love it… I love that genre of video game. It’s just one of those things – I really want to get back into gaming, but I just don’t have the time. My only hope is that my son will get into video games in a few years, and then I’ll have the excuse of father-son bonding to play again.

          • Now that we’ve got the game ball rolling, I wonder why Dr. Bishop didn’t even mention the Resident Evil games. He mentioned the movie, but completely forgot about the games. I mean, they were the reason why the movie was made in the first place. I think the Resident Evil games were a major reason why zombies became popular. For the ones that kept up with gaming back in the 90’s, survival horror was the top genre for a while. All thanks to Resident Evil. I sent a tweet to Dr. Bishop asking for a review of The Last of Us and he said he would like to do it if Jay approves, but I think instead of just doing that review, he should look into the horror genre in videogames, which I think is its own monster. I know that Jay and his argonauts are not gamers, but they should at least give it a try. I dare them to play Silent Hill 2 with the lights off and not have the bejesus scared out of them. Literally. Seriously, that game marked me for life!

          • By the way, please correct me if I’m wrong about the neglect of the Resident Evil games. Maybe I just missed it.

          • You’re right Juan. As a kid in the 90’s I don’t think I ever really even thought about the zombie movie genre but the “Resident Evil” games were huge! I didn’t actually own any myself but I remember listening eagerly as my friends described them in great detail and being amazed at how gruesome they looked based on the pictures in gaming magazines that we’d pass around. I did eventually get to play them at friends houses though and, due in no small part to me being a huge wiener when I was younger, I was terrified. I have no doubt in my mind that they counted a great deal towards the foundations of the zombie resurgence.

          • They were gruesome and genuinely scary, too. Juan already mentioned Silent Hill. I’ll add that there isn’t a person alive who played the original Resident Evil and didn’t jump 10 feet into the air the first time the two dogs jumped through the window in the hallway.

          • David, your comment made sparks fly in my otherwise incompetent brain. It’s true that the horror in the Resident Evil games was gruesome and brutal. They certainly didn’t hold back. Do you guys think that it maybe helped usher the gruesome back into the mainstream? When I think 90s, I don’t particularly think gruesome. Besides “Dead Alive” and “Troll 2”, I can’t think of any other truly gruesome horror movie. There was Jacob’s Ladder, but that was more about the grotesque, which is the route that Silent Hill went in, to great effect. Man! All this talk is making my hands itch for some gaming.

          • I can’t say I ever had the pleasure of playing Dino Crisis, but I thought your play on words was juanderful.

        • Dino, bro, we’re like on the same wavelenght or something. That scene was ridiculous. I think I almost cried. I didn’t know that was possible in a game.

          • It’s great that it happens early in the game because it put me on edge from that point forward.

          • Haha that was just a coincidence, I swear! Well, you missed out. After Resident Evil 2 and Parasite Eve 2, it was my favorite horror game. It probably feels too dated now. Pixels tend to age better than polygons.

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