Horror Movie Podcast Ep. 059: Hollywood Horror — Starry Eyes (2014) and Madhouse (1974)

Episode 059

In case you are unaware… This is HORROR MOVIE PODCAST, where we’re Dead Serious About Horror Movies… For Episode 059, Jay of the Dead, Wolfman Josh, Dr. Shock and Dr. Walking Dead bring you a Mini Themed episode on HOLLYWOOD HORROR… In essence, we discuss Hollywood as a backdrop or setting for horror. To this end, we bring you two Feature Reviews of Starry Eyes (2014) and Madhouse (1974).

Then at the end of the show, as a little bonus, of sorts, we have a scandal to discuss with you: The New York Times’s Best 1,000 films… You’ll never believe how many out of 1,000 films were horror, and the only thing that will shock you more than a couple of The New York Times’s inclusions is its egregious omissions… Don’t miss it!

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I. Introduction
— All four HMP hosts are in attendance!

[ 0:01:22 ] II. Mini Theme: HOLLYWOOD HORROR
— Peg Entwistle, the “Hollywood Sign Girl”
— The Black Dahlia
— Documentary: Hollywood Ghosts & Gravesites (2003)
— Misty Upham of “Frozen River” (2008)
— Book: The Hollywood Book of Death (2001)

[ 0:16:09 ] III. Feature Review: STARRY EYES (2014)
Jay of the Dead = 6 ( Rental )
Wolfman Josh = 5.5 ( Rental )
Dr. Shock = 7.5 ( Rental )
Dr. Walking Dead = 6 ( Rental )

[ 0:50:31 ] IV. Feature Review: MADHOUSE (1974)
Wolfman Josh = 5.5 ( Rental )
Dr. Shock = 6 ( Rental )

This segment is dedicated to our dear friend and supporter, ChrisExcess.
[ 1:14:40 ] V. Book: The New York Times Guide to the Best 1,000 Movies Ever Made (2004)
— Number of films (out of 1,000) that are Horror
— The NY Times’s horror picks

VI. Wrap-Up / Plugs / Ending

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111 thoughts on “Horror Movie Podcast Ep. 059: Hollywood Horror — Starry Eyes (2014) and Madhouse (1974)

  1. I always love it when we have the whole team together!

    This episode was great and i have a bunch of comments to make but for now all my brain can focus on is how much of a crock of shit that 1000 greatest movies book is. The percentage of horror films is frankly appalling and shows little more than contempt for what is easily one of the most important, boundary pushing and introspective genres that we have. And to omit Alien, Jaws, Halloween, The Fly etc? Unforgivable. I understand critical taste is subjective but the importance and influence of those movies (and of the horror genre as a whole) is absolutely, objectively undeniable. How can something as artfully crafted, cerebral, beautiful and utterly nightmarish as “Alien” not be one of the 1000 greatest movies?

    Also, am I wrong or was every single one of those 13 horror flicks a USA film? Not a single horror entry from any other country? No giallos? No “Nosferatu” or “Caligari”? None of my beloved early Japanese horror? I love movies like “Re-Animator” but as a great piece of cinema it just doesn’t compare to films like “Kwaidan” or “Kuroneko”.

    It almost feels like the horror films that did get into this book just happened to be the only ones any of these critics had actually seen.

    I’m curious if other genres oft-looked-down upon by pretentious snobs were also treated so dismissively? How are the numbers for Sci-Fi and Fantasy?

    • Also, as Josh (at least I think it was Josh) mentioned, westerns do seem to be venerated, particularly in US critical circles, as being cinema at its purest. They’re esteemed for their gutsiness, classicism, grit and rootsy appeal. But is there any more a pure cinematic experience than a film like the (notably omitted) “Texas Chain Saw Massacre”?

      As I recently wrote over on Dvdinfatuation.com:

      “….It’s as visceral, pure, affecting and unforgettable a piece of cinema as can be.

      I always say that it’s one of those rare movies that’s so vivid and gritty you can almost smell it. The dry dusty earth, the rotting vegetable matter and the sickly hum of putrefying meat. It’s an ugly but wholly impressive feat.”

      • I can understand why the NY Times would not include TEXAS because there was such an outrage against that film for so long. I’m not saying I agree with the omission, but I’m not entirely surprised.

        • But wasn’t there also a fair amount of outrage when Peckinpah added realistic violence to the western genre or indeed, when “Psycho” showed a woman being stabbed in the shower, a psycho-sexual murderer with a penchant for cross-dressing and a flushing toilet?

          Surely professional film critics should be smart enough to know that when art inspires a good deal of “outrage” it can often be an indication of just how innovative/effective/uncompromising the art in question actually is.

          • I definitely don’t disagree, David. With PSYCHO, though, I think Hitchcock lends a sense of legitimacy in the eyes of the NY Times.

          • And, ridiculous as it sounds, I can’t shake the feeling that the only reason “Re-Animator” is on there is because it was mentioned in “American Beauty”.

        • To be honest, the fact that Texas Chainsaw wasn’t in the list didn’t bother me one bit. And I’m glad that Nightmare on Elm Street made the cut even if it was to the hosts’ dismay, but come on, you can’t deny the HUGE impact that movie had even if the sequels shifted into a more comedic approach. I’m a big fan of the franchise and can’t wait for it to be covered. Although the hosts have already made it known that they’re not fans of Freddy, I’d still like for this franchise to get the proper treatment in the vein of Friday the 13th and Halloween.

          • Juan, I’m glad NoES got the recognition, as well, and I think it’s well-deserved. The original is so good, inventive, and scary.

            I’m looking forward to a possible deep dive into the franchise. It’s the “major” franchise I’m least familiar with, so it would give me a good reason to revisit them all.

  2. I can tell u why nightmare is on the list because Freddy crossed over more then any other horror movie villain in Hollywood. He crossed race and age before any other horror villains from games to toys and even 2 rap songs . So that why I think the reason that movie was on the list more then Friday or hollaween

    • I still think it’s totally crazy that “Nightmare” is on there but something as artfully made and influential as “Halloween” isn’t. But I will say that while “Friday the 13th” is my favourite franchise out of the big 3 I can kind of understand the original “Nightmare” being a preferential choice over the original “Friday” movie. At least when coming at it from a conceptual, creative stand point. “Nightmare” boasts a far more unique and imaginative premise.

      • While I think Halloween is the best of the three–by far–I just think they all deserve to be on there. Horror was really underserved. The exclusion of Jaws (the first blockbuster!!!) is mind-boggling.

        • “Grow on you” could definitely have some major potential too lol. Can’t help but think of “Army of Darkness” though

      • Did I give it a 5? Yeah I guess that’s about right then, I mean I say it’s definitely a rental, the entire reason to see it for me was Alex Essoe’s performance, I mean yeah had a lot of disturbing parts but everything that got under my skin was from her. So based on that I’ll stick with a 5, I did really like it but without her it would be pretty sub par to me

  3. The Black Dahlia is a pretty intriguing story. I was extremely disappointed with Brian De Palma’s film version, but I can highly recommend James Ellroy’s book that the film was based on.

    Has anyone else read it?


      • It’s a great book, but I’m biased because I love Ellroy. Many of his books tend to have some gruesome horror elements like The Big Nowhere, Killer on the Road, and others.

  4. Wolfman Josh said something on the show that really helped me pin down an issue I was having with STARRY EYES, but couldn’t exactly figure out what it was. In my comments, I had originally said the moral of the story was a bit ham-fisted and in your face… the Wolfman’s point that the tone of the film was difficult to pinpoint because it jumped the line between serious and satire (paraphrasing) is exactly what rubbed me the wrong way, and why it seemed so ham-fisted to me.

    Excellent job on the review, fellas. Very enjoyable.

  5. JOTD – You mentioned possibly having a Scream franchise overview release (or start) in conjunction with the start of the new Scream TV series (June 30). Can you let us know if this is a go for the next episode? I’d like to re-watch along with the coverage.

    And, I’m looking forward to the TV series. Anyone else plan on watching it tomorrow night?

    • I’m a big fan of the Scream franchise, but I have no interest in the tv show. I have no interest in anything MTV touches. Besides, all of the teasers and trailers that I’ve watched don’t look the least interesting to me. Is it your love of the franchise that has your interest piqued or did you see or read something that made you want to give the show a chance?

      Oh and if the show does end up being great, do let me know. I’ll give it a chance if you give me the green light.

      • Honestly, I didn’t even know about it until JOTD mentioned it on this episode. I haven’t seen any of the teasers or trailers, and I haven’t read or heard anything else about it. So, it’s purely my love of the franchise that has me interested. Normally I wouldn’t bother with a TV show that isn’t HBO, Netflix, or AMC (I still haven’t watched Hannibal even though I’ve heard it’s great), but I’m intrigued by this one.

        I set my DVR to record the series, so I’ll let you know what I think.

      • I’m with Juan, not an MTV fan at all. I don’t even have cable or Satellite, just Netflix and my movie collection. Just kinda “meh” on this show even though I’m a huge Scream fan. The only show I’m gonna really miss being able to see during its first airing is “Ash VS Evil Dead”. I would give Scream a shot, but it wouldn’t hurt my feelings if I miss it

          • I’d like to see a couple of episodes, maybe it’ll come out on Netflix, but if I miss it it doesn’t bother me that much

  6. So now that I’ve got all the “1000 Greatest Movies We’re Not Embarrassed to Admit We Like” rage out of my system it’s time to pick on Jay. Again. After all the hard work he does. On the week of his birthday. #I’mabadperson #Idon’tknowhowhashtagswork

    So maybe I just didn’t understand some of your argument, Jay, but I totally fail to see any correlation between the myopia of a few snooty critics and the evolution of the horror genre outside of your personally defined comfort zone. Firstly I’ll say that I do understand your concern regarding horror potentially being compromised and diluted into oblivion, that’s something nobody here wants to see and I’m sure we can all agree on that. But I can’t help but feel that your concern is somewhat misdirected and maybe slightly reductive.

    All this talk of maintaining the “purity” of the genre just doesn’t jive with me because “pure horror” is such a subjective and diaphanous concept. Unless we can pinpoint the exact point at which the horror film matured into it’s purest most distilled form (which might be an interesting but divisive topic for a whole other conversation) then the only way to define “purity” with regard to the genre is to go back to its roots and, as I’ve argued ad nauseum in the past, those roots are sunk firmly into horror literature which was born from the ancient tradition of the ghost story. So if we do define the purity of the genre using this method we find that “pure horror” is inherently of the supernatural variety. As someone who’s admitted many times to not being the biggest fan of “supernatural horror” (and who classes a movie as pure to that sub-genre as “The Sixth Sense” is as little more than a thriller) I doubt you’d be happy with this approach!

    Now, the reason that you can still call yourself a horror fan (and a bloody good one at that!) despite not being smitten with this most pure element of the genre is simple: Horror changes. Constantly. And it always has. Listening to your appearance on Billchete’s show and then the discussion at the end of this episode I couldn’t help but get the impression that you might be inclined to suspend the horror genre in cryogenic stasis so as to preserve this apparent “purity”, the maintenance of which concerns you so. As a wearer of prescription rose tinted lenses myself I can totally empathise with this ideal. But when you really, really think about it, it just doesn’t work. To try and halt the expansion and cross-pollination of this genre into other genres negates its inherent state of constant flux. In truth horror owes some of its finest moments to this indefatigable ability to osmotically evolve, reconfigure and redefine itself. The slasher sub-genre was little more than the bastard son of the giallo which itself was the warped product of copulation between the mystery/crime genres and the Grand Guignol theatre. There’s as much highschool dramedy in a movie like “Scream” as there is mystery, procedural and horror. Ultimately, horror is a funhouse mirror that presents us with absurd and disturbing reflections of every other genre there is. So demanding to be presented with only the “pure” is akin to looking behind that mirror and finding only a blank wall.

    Not only that but this is a genre that is at it’s very best when pushing boundaries and dismantling its own rules, so to try and impose an absolutist approach just seems sort of regressive to me. We might not all agree that movies like “Horns” and “Black Swan” belong in the genre but if they’re well made, original and interesting then I don’t know what damage their association with horror could possibly do. If anything, a high quality, cerebral film like “Black Swan” being linked to our beloved genre is likely to make those jerks over at the NY Times a little less afraid to let the “H” word into their evidently stunted vocabularies. Who really cares if a film has a few horror elements in it without being totally submerged in the conventions of the genre? So long as it’s good, right? I think the quality of the movies at the heart of the genre is something we should be more concerned about anyway; I don’t see compromise and dilution being the result of genre cross-pollination anywhere near as much as I see it being the result of commodification. I think the glut of cynical cash grab remakes and passionless, unoriginal studio offerings are far more damaging to the genre than the peas touching the carrots on your plate, Jay.

    But man I’ve waffled on for a long time here. I’m like some crumpled old uncle that you pray you don’t end up sat next to at a wedding. Because he never shuts up and he smells like onions and spiders.

    And as always, I write these curmudgeonly arguments with nothing more than respect, love and slight frustration in my heart.

  7. I have to admit, I was looking forward more to your thoughts on “Madhouse” than I was to the other film. Madhouse has always been something special to me, as I used to come across that film far too often in my youth while home sick some day or another. That and Captain Kronos always seemed to be on television for some reason between the ages of 7 and 9.

    Regarding the lack of surprise at the “end “ of the film, or the Big Reveal- I was a little curious as to whether you meant the actual end of the film or just the revelation regarding the killer? To be honest, none of that surprised me all that much but the very end of the film will sometimes spark a little debate between me and my cinephile friends. What really happened? I don’t want to get into spoilers because I know you all try to avoid it- but I was a little confused regarding the summation of your thoughts on the end of the film. In fact, I think the real end of the film is one of the real reasons it endures so well to this day- that seems far more of a twist than the big revelation.

    I know you folk do the occasional “theme” episode and those are usually my favorites- and considering his body of work, have you ever considered a theme episode regarding the work of Vincent Price. Honestly, I doubt it would really be only one episode considering his body of work. For that matter, the body of work of several classic “Horror” actors would make for terrific theme episodes. Especially in light of the recent passing of Christopher Lee.

    As for “Starry Eyes”- I keep hearing good things about the film. I am a big fan of “Suspiria”, but I still can’t seem to build up enough steam to sit and watch this film despite everything I’m hearing. All the hype reminds me of everything I heard in the lead up to watching House of the Devil (AKA: Some girl who fills a glass of water), and I can’t get excited. I’m probably missing out, but I’m just not reading or hearing anything of real interest regarding that film. I may have to sit and watch it, but I will totally blame you four if I wind up hating it. Just for the record.

    Here’s another thing: The Scream franchise? I often hear the lamentation regarding the use of comedy in horror in these podcasts, but Scream has always played like a pure comedy to me. I know some people use the term “Post modern” to explain the comedy, but funny is funny and the film never really seems serious to me. It’s always played like a joke and the killer is never really a mystery. And, truth be told, I’m not a fan at all of the Scream series. I think it’s done far more harm to the horror genre than any negative publicity has.

    Happy birthday, Jay- As you enter 39, I will be leaving in a little more than a month and will be entering the ripe age of 40. Keep doing what you love, man. I’m gonna’ keep on loving what you do.

    • I said mostly negative things about Starry Eyes and said it’s a rental AFTER you watch Mulholland Drice, so don’t blame all four of us. Dave gave it the high rating.

      Scream is my favorite horror movie of the 90s, so expect a impassioned defense of that film, at least.

      I love the idea of doing some longer actor spotlight episodes and reviewing several films from a classic actor’s filmography. Maybe Dave can lead us there, since he’s the expert.

      If we were vague about Madhouse, it is bc we were avoiding spoilers. I was referring to the reveal of the killer when I said “the end” and will agree that the VERY end is pretty unique. I don’t see any ambiguity in it, however, so I’m curious what the debate was with your friends.

      • I will say I’m a huge fan of Scream. The opening scene was one of the most intense openings to any horror I’ve seen. I’ll never forget the first time I saw it, when it gets to the end and the killer is messing around with the knife in the kitchen (trying to avoid spoilers here) I honestly could not stop thinking about that the next day. There was just something so disturbing about it that it legitimately got under my skin. As far as the comedy, it always seemed very organic to me, at least in parts 1 & 2. I absolutely love the character of Randy, and think it is so refreshing, even in 2015, to have a movie with horror fans that remind me so much of myself. Other movies have done the whole thing about living in a world where horror movies exist, but Scream, to me, has done it better than any. It all seemed so realistic as if I was simply watching real high school kids in the 90s go through a very real threat. 3 & 4 have their high and low points, but 1 & 2 hold a very very special place in my horror filled heart, and I for one cannot wait to hear this franchise review, now if you’ll excuse me I have to finish this horror trivia with this guy on the phone

        • I had only recently graduated from High School two years before the first Scream film came out, so I’m not sure how out of touch I would have been with kids at that age. I didn’t relate to any of the characters and found most of them to be kind of bland and/or annoying. I also felt like the cast were straight out of “teen drama casting” from the 90210 set. But I think the thing that I disliked the most about the film is that it never actually felt like there was a real threat- the film focused more on the “whodunit?” aspect of the murders rather than the threat itself. And each murder felt like a prolonged series of prat falls leading up to one slapstick punchline of a death rather than anything with real tension. I know I’m in a minority on these thoughts as near everyone I knew was immediately in love with the film, but I never got anything from the first, second, or third film. And, I’ll be honest, I flat out avoided the fourth.

          The knife scene did make me laugh, though.

          Regarding “Madhouse”, however- the debate was regarding what, precisely, happened at the end. We knew who was responsible for the deaths, but at the very end – the debate mostly surrounded whether someone survived who we thought had been killed earlier or whether something a little more sinister had occurred.

          • @redcapjack – While I don’t necessarily agree with your take on SCREAM (it’s a 10/10 for me and #8 on my all-time horror list), I can definitely see where you’re coming from. All of those elements you criticized are certainly there; I guess it just works for me.

          • I agree with you to an extent regarding “Scream” Redcapjack, although I’ve certainly warmed to it having watched it twice within the last year.

            I was only 9 when it first came out but I certainly remember the cultural impact the film had. When I finally saw it quite a few years later I remember feeling like it was a horror movie made for people who don’t really like horror movies. I tend to like my slashers gritty, grainy and low budget so the pristine aesthetics, high production values and mostly vapid 90210-esque cast weren’t my cup of tea. And the tone seemed kind of condescending to me too the whole “This is how horror movies work now look how clever we are for explaining it to you” exposition stuff rubbed me the wrong way.

            That being said, at the behest of Juan and Josh I gave it a more objective chance and I can’t deny that I found myself thoroughly entertained. I actually quite enjoy the sequel now too. I think now that there’s some distance between me and the vapidity of the ’90’s I’m able to appreciate it in a more nostalgic way than I was before.

            Really I think the worst thing that “Scream” did was to push the slasher into the mainstream thus generating a slew of really lame copy cats replete with limited imaginations, toned down gore and beautiful but distinctly dislikeable characters. It seems unfair to blame it for that though.

          • I was a high-school freshman when Scream was released. I can’t say I thought much about how the characters related to me at the time. I mostly watched classic and 80’s horror up to that point but, the three horror films from high school that stuck out were Scream, Blair Witch and Burton’s Sleepy Hollow. Other than that high school was a blur. 1996-2000 wasn’t the best time for horror.

  8. The ultimate horror movie based on moviemaking is Terror Firmer, based on the book All I Need to Know About Filmmaking I Learned From the Toxic Avenger.

  9. I haven’t seen the original list but the second edition, which you can find here http://www.nytimes.com/ref/movies/1000best.html has since added
    Aguirre: The Wrath of God
    Dead of Night
    The Fly ’58
    Night of the Hunter
    RoseMary’s Baby
    Silence of the Lambs

    And comedies Beetlejuice and Young Frankenstein

          • Haha I understand your pain, David, believe you me. But come on, you can’t honestly expect the mainstream critics to be fair to a genre that gets no love from those same mainstream critics. Instead of wasting our energy hating them and their list, we should just do our own list.

          • As always you’re the sane voice of reason, Juan. And your point about wasting our energy on negativity is thoroughly appropriate.

            But I need something to complain about, dagnabit!

    • And the inclusion of the ’58 The Fly but not the Cronenberg one is just utter silliness. Don’t get me wrong, the original is a fun little 50’s monster flick but the ’80’s remake is miles better in almost every way.

      • This is true, but Repulsion, Jaws, Aliens, Rosemary’s Baby, and Silence of the Lambs are pretty legit picks in their own right. Still, even with these great additions the list is pretty weak.

    • Nice find, Joe! Silence of the Lambs and M are on the fringe of horror for me. The time spent on police procedures pulls it to thriller for me but I guess if I don’t have a problem with Beetlejuice and Young Frankenstein as horror I can accept the other two into the genre. I don’t expect much from mainstream critics when it comes to horror and music. Where’s King Kong 1933?

        • I think you’re right. I just watched Val Lewton’s Leopard Man this week and that’s one of the first American films with a serial killer.

  10. I personally can’t wait for next weeks killer bears episode…I hope they talk about Backcountry because its got the most disturbing bear kill I’ve ever seen in a movie…

  11. Sorry to get into this episode so late, BUT!!! re franchise reviews, I’ve noticed that ALL the “Leprechaun” movies are streaming. Obviously, that would be a perfect series to review for St. Patrick’s Day! JK! I cannot imagine anything more rotted and nerve wracking than a comprehensive critique of the “Leprechaun” franchise. I’ve only seen the end of the 93 movie and bits and pieces of the others, here and there in the background at parties or on cable. The only thing I can think of when contemplating this particular franchise is “Warwick Davis got paid, son.”

    All jokes aside, great episode and thanks for all the entertainment!!

    • I actually re-watched the whole Leprechaun saga including the brand new re-boot. The first movie is not that bad and as far as B movies go, it’s one of the better ones IMHO. The rest of the entries are a bit on the acquired taste. I would say that if you’re a fan of Freddy, then Leprechaun might be down your alley. Each sequel progressively gets better (i.e. worse). The comedy and insanity levels get taken to a whole new level of buffoonery. I had a blast watching these movies, so if I wouldn’t necessarily stay away from them. You can most certainly do a lot worse. And no, I’m not kidding haha.

  12. Yay, Madhouse! I never thought you guys would review it when I commented this movie would fit the theme. It is a nice wrap-up to Price’s work with AIP which helped keep Price working as a horror icon in the 60’s. This movie does signal a shift in horror narratives from the romantic gothic AIP and Hammer movies of the 60’s. Since we’re all talking about Scream, this is another movie that signifies a shift in horror narrative!

    Peter Cushing’s wife died in 1971 and it hit him really hard. He was basically waiting to die so he could be with her. This movie came out three years later so maybe Cushing wasn’t up to a bigger part. All in all it’s a fun little movie but the makeup probably is the best part of it.

  13. Just the other day I checked out a movie pretty much at random and it happened to fit perfectly into the “Hollywood Horror” theme, displaying several of the key elements that you guys identified in your discussion. The film was the horror anthology “Trapped Ashes” from 2006.

    First of all, the Joe Dante directed wrap around segment involves a group of characters, most of whom are somehow linked to the film industry, taking a tour of an old studio lot. Some of the individual stories themselves involve the film industry too, the first offering being particularly relevant; the tale of an aspiring but dejected actress getting a boob job that isn’t exactly what she was expecting.

    Unfortunately, for the most part, the movie kind of sucks. There are some decent gross-out effects here and there and the first two stories are pretty imaginative. The former, mentioned above, veers into total WTF? territory towards the end though and the latter (a bizarre J-horror style offering from Sean S. Cunningham) is inventive but not brilliantly executed. The other stories seemed kind of dull and involved very little horror and the whole thing just seemed more concerned with rushing along to get to the next obnoxious sex scene than with actually delivering any genuine scares. It’s all sort of tongue in cheek though and despite being made in 2006 it felt very ’90’s to me. The ending twisted things up a bit but still I can’t come in any higher than a 4.5/10.

  14. Please excuse my language but I just tried to watch the first episode of Scream and gave up half way through…What a stinking pile of MEEP…Maybe if you’re a teenie bopper it may be cool…but as a horror fan…this MEEPING sucks…Gonna watch Zoo now and maybe some animal massacres will make forget…

  15. And I realize this is against my character…but damn…I should have known better and not watched at all…

  16. Oh happy day! I just got an email from Apple saying that my iTunes pre-order of IT FOLLOWS was now available to download. Sort of feels like my birthday.

    Speaking of birthday’s – Happy Birthday, JOTD.

  17. Wow, really looking forward to Wolfman’s solo cast on the state of the werewolf. My werewolf knowledge is seriously lacking. Speaking of werewolves, LATE PHASES is now streaming on Netflix in the US.

  18. I really don’t get why someone would knock points off a movie because another exist. Mulholland Drive is completely different from Starry Eyes. Both are very good movies IMO and watching Mullholand Drive certainly doesn’t hinder the enjoyment of Starry Eyes.

    • I can’t speak for Josh but I feel comfortable saying that his comparison of “Starry Eyes” with “Mullholland Drive” wasn’t a matter of deducting points from the former simply due to the existence of the latter and was more a case of just noting that “Mullholland Drive” is a film with similar themes that he felt was better executed and therefore deserving of a higher rating.

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