Horror Movie Podcast Ep. 065: Scream (1996) – Scream Franchise Review Part 1 of 3

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What’s your favorite scary movie franchise? Our latest franchise review here at HORROR MOVIE PODCAST is a real scream! As promised, we are bringing you the long-awaited three-part SCREAM FRANCHISE REVIEW. Just like we did for the Halloween films back in October 2014 and the Friday the 13th films back in February of 2015, we’re giving you in-depth analysis of the entire franchise, including all four movies and the new MTV series, starting with an epic discussion of Wes Craven and Kevin Williamson’s original Scream (1996).

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[ 00:04:45 ] II. Horror in the ’90s and the Post-Modern Horror Renaissance


[ 00:54:05 ] III. Feature Review: SCREAM (1996)
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V. Wrap-Up / Plugs / Ending

— “Red Right Hand” – from Scream


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172 thoughts on “Horror Movie Podcast Ep. 065: Scream (1996) – Scream Franchise Review Part 1 of 3

    • This should be a good episode Scream is diffidently in my top 10 horror film list, cant wait to hear what you guys have to say about the franchise in a whole.

  1. Always nice getting the e-mail notice that there’s a new episode of HMP.

    The first SCREAM is a movie I’ve had an up and down relationship with. When I first saw it, I really liked it, but then when I started to get really into horror, I turned my back on that whole slasher boom of the late 90’s. It’s stupid in hindsight, but I had this stupid attitude where I didn’t believe it was true horror and just teenybooper crap. I chalk it up to the fact that you’re not a true horror fan until you randomly hate a type of horror because you love this other type more. It’s just an example for how stupid one can be when you’re young.

    I came back to loving SCREAM, particularly the first one. There’s so much to love about it besides just being a good movie. Even though most of the slashers that came after SCREAM failed to deliver, you have to respect SCREAM for bringing horror back to life. As a massive HALLOWEEN fan, I know we wouldn’t have had a HALLOWEEN H20 without SCREAM happening. The self referential nature of the film made it feel so fresh and set it apart from all of the other slashers from the last slashers boom period of the 80’s. Even if you hate SCREAM, it’s fun trying to spot all of the nods to other popular horror movies (IE. “Don’t fear the reaper” song at the start of SCREAM). Then there’s the likability of the characters. Part of the stereotype of slashers is that it’s just a masked killer knocking off characters who you couldn’t care less about. I don’t think there’s a single character in this movie that I dislike, something that is a flaw in the other SCREAM movies. As a horror fan, Randy is so relatable and became my favorite character in the series. I imagine if I went to the school, he would eventually get on my nerves, but Stu is hilarious. Tatum had the whole spunky bad ass BFF vibes. Even Billy is likable since he has that cool mysterious feel to his character. He’s interesting and throughout the movie, you can’t help, but want to figure him out. Can you trust him or is it a mistake? I don’t know, but I’m interested. Again, not to keep knocking the sequels, but that’s an 180 compared to SCREAM 2’s Derek, who was just bland and generic boyfriend #463.

    I’m willing to go far enough to call SCREAM to best horror movie of the 1990’s.

    I’d rate it a 9.5/buy it.

    • With this podcast and the SURVIVOR post over at Movie Stream Cast, this was quite a week for Josh fanboying out.

      As fun as that is, the highlight for this episode is hearing the frustration in Jay’s voice when he’s forced to admit that some horror comedies are actually great. It sounded like it was killing him to have to admit that there’s some good horror comedies.

  2. Josh = The enthusiastic…excitable little brother
    Jay = The sometimes too cool for school older brother
    Dave= The best friend…(we are the same age)
    Kyle= The knowledgeable friend we are all secretly jealous of…
    These are the friends I wish I had when I was growing up…

      • Crushes? Crushes?! From Dusk ’til Dawn is a fun movie, Shannon, but crushes?!! Come one, you’re out of your mind if you are being serious about that.

        I will say, From Dusk ’til Dawn is also a horror-comedy. Didn’t hear Jay mention that. It also almost seemed like he was trying to say that Tremors isn’t a horror-comedy. Anybody else sense that?

        • He already had to admit SCREAM was good despite being a horror with comedy aspect. That was a HUGE step for Jay.

          It’s all about baby steps.

          • Well…I do have a From Dusk Till Dawn, Pulp Fiction and Kill Bill posters on my living room walls…so yeah…I’m kinda into the guy a little bit…

        • From Dusk Till Dawn is number 4 in my top 10 horror movies…so my mental faculities seem pretty sound with that statement…

          • Can’t argue with Tarantino. I just think FDTD is a little campy and gross-out for my taste to eclipse a landmark horror entry like Scream. I like the movie and LOVE both Rodriguez and Tarantino.

        • I like scream but dusk till dawn just has so many stand out moments , from cheech playing four deffent people , the whole twist in the middle of the movie , the snake dance in the bar , too much to talk about . I have more fun looking that anyday then scream .

      • I totally agree with Jay and Shannon on “From Dusk Till Dawn”… while I didn’t really enjoy “Scream”, the other film hit all the right notes for me. From the gross factor to the twist on a dime siege narrative to the vampires… I absolutely LOVED “From Dusk Till Dawn”… and I also liked the third sequel in the series. (Not the second so much.)

    • Yo, this little brother dropped some knowledge on the older brother and knowledgeable friend from time to time throughout his excitable performance. Little brother always getting underestimated.

  3. I tried to see Scream one day before my 18th birthday and was refused a ticket. I saw it the next day on my birthday. I loved it but hated almost every subsequent movie of that genre afterwards.
    A little while back you guys were excited about a movie coming out called Nothing Bad Can Happen. I just watched it and have to say that it is probably not something that you will enjoy. More in the vein of The Snowtown Murders than anything.

    • Ugh. Being denied tickets when you’re nearly the right age blows. I went to see HOUSE OF 1,000 CORPSES a month before my birthday with my older sibling and they allowed us to buy tickets, but then there was an usher in front of the theater that wouldn’t let me in without a proper guardian.

      The second worst experience I had with a Rob Zombie movie in the theater. :(

        • RZ’s HALLOWEEN 2 was literally the only time I considered leaving a movie in the middle of the showing and it nearly killed my HALLOWEEN fandom.

          I felt like a child having to watch as some mean, mean man is stealing my little puppy, Spot, away from me. When I’m on my death bed and I’m going over regrets in my lifetime, my final words will be reserved to condemn Rob Zombie one last time for what he did with HALLOWEEN 2.

      • URBAN LEGENDS is a slightly below average slasher, but it had some merits. I liked the ultra basic concept of someone using urban legends to base their kills off of. Robert Englund rarely disappoints. Despite only being a minor character, Danielle Harris sure found a way to leave a lasting memory.

        Truthfully, I wouldn’t be against seeing an URBAN LEGENDS remake to see if a halfway decent director can outdo what the VALENTINE guy did.

          • I agree 100%. I love Urban Legends. I saw this film in the theatre and fell in love with it instantly.
            I’m even willing to say that it’s not a guilty pleasure of mine and it would probably make my top 10 of the 90s.

            D

          • You guys, thAt movie is dreadful. At least, compared to Scream. I think the name, the concept, the pretty cast, nice location, ALL OF THIS is better than the sum the of the parts. The final film is pretty bad. With this much remove, I can see why it would be enjoyable–it has its moments–but it’s difficult for me to call it a good, even decent movie. HOWEVER, whenever I hear this kind of thing from people I respect, I add it to the queue for a re-watch. Dog Soldiers and The Descent were waiting for me in my pile of mail when I got home from Colombia.

          • I find DOG SOLDIERS to be a little overrated by horror fans. While I do love THE DESCENT, I can’t see why horror fans go crazy over the pretty average DOG SOLDIERS. I wonder if the love for the movie has more to do with the fact that there haven’t been a lot of great werewolf movies, so just finding a new one that was decent made it far above most werewolf flicks.

            Dino’s an oddball though. One minute he’s recommending an awesome movie like GIRL HOUSE, but then the next he’s bragging about becoming the president of the UNFRIENDED fan club.

          • Sal – Ha! It’s not my fault you just didn’t get UNFRIENDED.

            I know your comment was in jest, but I just want to levy some perspective here. Yes, I enjoyed UNFRIENDED, but it’s not like I think it’s a great movie. It’s a 6.5 for me, which means I think it’s a decent one-time watch. That’s on par with a movie like HONEYMOON, which I thought was fine and watchable but nothing special. My position is just that I think JOTD was being a bit overly dismissive of the film. He gave it his lowest rating, and I know it’s definitely not the worst movie he’s ever seen.

            I’m pretty easy to figure out, though. When I see a movie I like, I push it hard. Take three movies from this year as an example – IT FOLLOWS, A GIRL WALKS HOME ALONE AT NIGHT and GIRL HOUSE. They’re very different movies, but I loved all three of them and peddled them pretty relentlessly on this site (not that IT FOLLOWS really needed it).

          • Dino, you giving UNFRIENDED the same rating as HONEYMOON just hurts my soul.

            How could you break my heart like that?!

          • Wait, is Sal actually Juan?

            Yes, HONEYMOON was a good movie, but very underwhelming to me. Maybe it has a little to do with expectations – I went into that movie with pretty high expectations, whereas I expected nothing going into UNFRIENDED.

          • If Juan sings the praises of HONEYMOON, he’s good people. I don’t think I went into the movie knowing anything about it other than it was a horror movie with Rose Leslie. It was creepy, freaky, and those final ten minutes ups the intensity levels to points I wouldn’t have ever expected earlier in the movie.

            From a very early point, you have no idea what’s going on or who you can trust and it remains that way nearly to the point of the closing credits. Awesome movie is awesome.

          • I don’t disagree. That’s why I called it a guilty pleasure for me.

            The premise of that movie is pretty great, though.

          • I clump URBAN LEGEND together with those late ’90s teenager horror/mystery/thriller movies that aren’t necessarily good, but I think are a lot of fun. Maybe it’s just a nostalgia thing for me (like The Dude said) since I was a teenager in high school then.

            There was a glut of these movies in 1998 alone:

            URBAN LEGEND
            THE FACULTY
            DISTURBING BEHAVIOR
            HALLOWEEN H20
            I STILL KNOW WHAT YOU DID LAST SUMMER

          • Sal, I do love HONEYMOON and I’m good peoples (and I see that you are one too). Dino, although good peoples himself, can be a strange little bird sometimes. I still can’t understand his stance on HONEYMOON. But like he says whenever he’s wrong and can’t defend his stance (and knows it) “different strokes for different trolls”… or something like that.

          • Juan, you cut me too deep. I think I’m dying here, man.

            Looks like our HONEYMOON is over…

            (see what I did, there?)

            I liked HONEYMOON just fine. It’s an enjoyable, subtle little horror flick. My disappointment with the movie is that it’s subtle horror that’s also very straightforward. The best kinds of subtle mystery/thriller (or, to be more specific here, “body snatcher”) type horror movies to me are the ones that throw in a little misdirection and keep you guessing until the very end. That certainly doesn’t happen in HONEYMOON. We know from the very beginning exactly what’s up. Yes, there are some tense and unnerving moments, but I would have preferred if the movie left the body snatching element more up in the air. Plus, and I’ve said this before, the end sort of fell flat for me.

          • Your postmodernist jokes aren’t lost on me, Dino. Oh Dino, you truly are the last of your kind. A gentleman and a scholar, that is. I get it, man. I really do. I just like poking fun at you sometimes because you’re my bro and that’s what bros do. It’s funnier when there’s no motive.

        • Oh Dog Soliders is a MUST WATCH. If you originally walked away from that movie with a questionable taste in your mouth I think that you should cleanse your palette and rewatch it.

          Perhaps my love of Urban Legends is founded deeper in my teenage years when I first watched the movie. Let’s call it a 90s Hang Over but I still find myself gravitating back to this film and enjoying it.

          • You must have missed everyone piling on the attack when I questioned the quality of Dog Soldiers back on my State of the Werewolf episode. I did get enough blowback that I bought the DVD and I will approach it with an open mind.

            I get the 90s nostalgia that you and Dino have, Dude. I just put films like Scream and H2O–even The Faculty–on a higher echelon than the cruddier Disturbing Behaviors and I Know What You Did Last Summers of the time. It’s a fine line in some cases, I suppose, but Urban Legends is down there with The Skulls and Teaching Mrs. Tingle at the bottom of the barrel, in my
            opinion. Did you guys like the sequel? It’s not much of an actual sequel, but about as entertaining a film.

          • There’s definitely a big distinction between movies like SCREAM and the later ’90s movies that came about in the wake of Scream’s success. SCREAM is a top 10 horror movie for me, so I obviously hold it in high regard. I agree that H20 and THE FACULTY are on the sharp end of the ’90s goodness scale, but I do still enjoy the rest of the late ’90s cruft. They’re fun.

            I haven’t seen the sequel to URBAN LEGEND. Is that FINAL CUT?

          • I’ve said this before and I’ve gotten a lot flack for it, but I don’t care. I feel no guilt over this, but I absolutely LOVE all the post-Scream wannabes like URBAN LEGENDS and I KNOW WHAT YOU DID LAST SUMMER. I feel like those should get their own show.

            Dino, URBAN LEGEND: FINAL CUT is really good. I mean, for what it is. I just have so much fun with this type of movie that I literally don’t care about anything else other than how much fun I’m being provided with.

  4. This was an excellent episode, fellas. Honestly, I’m not really sure where the conversation is going to go in the comments for this one because you all pretty much said most of what there is to say. I imagine it’ll mostly be a bunch of us fanboy-ing all over this puppy.

    One thing I think is interesting about SCREAM is that, when it came out and shortly thereafter, I remember it being reviled by many a horror fan as a movie that was ruining the genre. I saw the movie in theaters and immediately fell in love with it, but I do have a distinct memory of it being a notorious and hated film. Does anyone else remember it this way? The interesting thing is that now it’s almost universally loved (eh hem, David).

    I guess I do have one question, though. Why does it bother you all so much that Sidney put the ghost face costume on at the end? She’s turning the tables on them and giving them a taste of their own medicine – calling them, using the voice distorter, hiding, and… wearing the costume. Ok, maybe it’s a bit on the nose, but I don’t really see it as a problem.

    Also, I guess I’m somewhat surprised that this was so freely considered a horror comedy. I don’t see it that way at all… probably for the reasons that the Wolfman mentioned early on – SCREAM never sacrifices genuine scares for laughs. I’m not saying there aren’t funny (or even silly) parts of the movie, but I don’t see them in the same way as the comedy in a movie like ZOMBIELAND or TREMORS.

    • In regards to Sidney wearing the mask, it’s designed to be a cutesy moment, but it doesn’t serve any real purpose. The guys saw her wearing it for what…three seconds? Ultimately, it seemed like the only reason she put it on was to have the short clip of her removing the mask, possibly to include it in the trailers to mislead audiences. It would have been more effective had she worn it for a little longer amount of time so that there would be a clearer purpose of wearing a mask in the closet.

      While I’m not a fan of the moment, I can’t say I hold the pointless mask moment against the movie.

      • Nice little trivia, when Sidney stabbed Billy with the umbrella, his reaction was real. Apparently she missed the foam padding under his shirt and slammed him in the chest very hard, so Skeet Ulrich was actually showing real pain. (Yes I’m a movie nerd lol)

    • Well, I was 6 when it came out so I can’t give an accurate description of the reactions, I just always knew growing up that it was very popular movie

    • Before Sidney pops out of the closet as Ghostface there is a shot from the TV playing Halloween. It’s the scene where Laurie is hiding in the closet and Michael Meyers is after her. I’m sure they’re trying to make a comparison but I’m not sure what. Is Sidney wearing the Ghostface outfit to say this is a new generation of horror and, unlike in Halloween, she is an empowered final girl who actually can defeat the killer. She uses the umbrella which is a stronger weapon than Laurie’s wire hanger. She is hiding so she can attack the killers but Laurie was hiding to not be attacked by the killer.

      • I don’t know if there’s any intended correlation between the two closest scenes, but I do think Sydney going on the offense does reflect on the times and the girl power movement of the 90’s. Unlike past horror movies, including HALLOWEEN, Sydney didn’t need help from any men to survive. While Laurie only lived because of Dr. Loomis, they went out of the way to spell how useless men were to Sydney. Her dad’s tied up and Dewey & Randy may or may not be dead. Yet, Sydney manages to use her brains and defeat the Ghostface duo. In fact, the only real help she had in the end was from another woman in Gale.

        Are we supposed to be thinking about HALLOWEEN during this final scene? Eh, maybe, but I see it as just being a play on the far bigger gender roles and how they changed as time went on. Same concept goes for the NIGHT OF THE LIVING DEAD remake.

  5. SPOILERS AHEAD!!!!!

    Ok I came to the Scream party a little late. I had Scream 2 on VHS for a couple of years before I actually watched the first, BUT, I did not watch it because I kind of like to see things in order. I will never ever forget it was on TBS and I decided to watch it. This was 2007 I think. I knew nothing of the charters, none of the plot, so when the killers are revealed I was stunned. Am I the only one who just KNEW it was Randy? I grew up reading Goosebumps books that almost always had a twist ending, so I was well prepared to figure it out (or so I thought).

    When Billy was arrested all I could think was “too obvious not him”, when Randy mentioned that Casey started going out with Steve right after she dumped Stu, same thing way too obvious. I had utterly and completely dismissed the idea of either of them. Whoever the killer was obviously knew about horror movies, Randy was the utmost expert in Woodsboro. Dewey, not a chance. Gale? Would’ve had a great motive setting up a killer who had killed Sidney’s mom, therefore making Cotton innocent and proving her right.

    Randy gave off every signal. the knowledge, joking about Casey’s liver in the mailbox, wanting a “chance with Sid”, and threatening to see Stu in the kitchen with the knife. Not to mention his goin to “check on” Billy and Sidney while they were (ahem) you know.

    As soon as Billy says “what do I have to do to prove to you that I’m not a killer?” I felt so bad for him, and then BAM!!! As soon as he turns around and breathlessly says “see??” I felt terrible for him trying to prove his innocence, and also for Sidney for pinning it all on him just for her to realize now he’s dead.

    As far as Ghostface appearing behind Randy, I had no idea what to think lol I was very stumped because I was sure it was him.

    The moment she gets back in the house and Billy comes down the stairs, I still wasn’t convinced, I thought. “Alright! Billy’s gonna be a hero now and they’ll get back together and its gonna be a nice happy ending”

    “We all go a little mad sometimes…” My jaw hit the floor!!! No way, how could I be so stupid ugh I should’ve figured it out!

    Stu steps in obviously a little shaken, all I thought was “hey it’s his house, I’m sure he knew of a spare key or something, maybe he can help Sidney…..”

    “Surprise Sidney…” Double whammy!!! I was literally speechless and could not turn away

    I love a horror movie that sticks with me and makes me think about it the next day, disturbing me all over again (ahem Babadook 10/10 BUY) and honestly the next morning I was at work at the golf course and all I could think of was the stabbing scene. “My mom and dad are gonna be so mad at meeeee” I have no idea why but that line really disturbed me. All I could think was “wow he is absolutely insane, I’m actually afraid of him”. Along with his “I can’t billy you cut me too deep…I think I’m dying here man” was just so realistic I felt like it was really happening. Ugh it got under my skin.

    That afternoon when I got off work, I went straight home and popped in Scream 2…..to be continued

    Rant over 😀

    • Great story. It’s always fun hearing stories about first experiences with movies.

      I think had SCREAM occurred a few years earlier or in the 80’s and Craven wanted a surprise reveal at the end, Randy would have been the right guy to be the killer. The HMP said it best in the killers in SCREAM are the most obvious characters, but because fans had become so used to horror cliches, them being so predictable, made them the least likely to actually be revealed as the killers.

  6. The one thing I noticed most on this latest re-watch was how much the film employs the dutch angle and sound/music to emphasize when something is awry. Take the first attack scene on Sidney, for example. The scene begins with her getting off the school bus – dutch angle shot. Later, we see her in the house opening the coat closet door – sudden burst of scary/dramatic sound/music. Then, at the conclusion, she’s hugging Billy in her room – close-up dutch angle shot of Billy’s face.

    The dutch angles and sound/music used are subtle, but the movie basically telegraphs not only when bad things are going to happen but who the *main* killer is.

    • I don’t think I’ve ever heard of the term, “Dutch angle” before. I’ve certainly noticed the angle before, especially in the German Expressionism movies, but I didn’t know it had a proper name.

      1:25 AM and already learned my one new fact for the day. Ain’t nomore learnin’ for me today.

  7. I often wonder how Scream would have turned out if Casey was making snuggling in for the night to watch a nice fluffy Rom-Com!

    Phone Voice: What’s that noise?
    Casey: Popcorn!
    Phone Voice: You’re making popcorn?
    Casey: Uh huh.
    Phone Voice: I only eat popcorn at the movies.
    Casey: Well, I’m getting ready to watch a video.
    Phone Voice: Really, what?
    Casey: Oh, just some sappy romantic comedy.
    Phone Voice: Do you like romantic comedies?
    Casey: Uh huh.
    Phone Voice: What’s your favourite romantic comedy movie?
    Casey: I dunno.
    Phone Voice: You have to have a favourite, what comes to mind?

  8. I don’t want to ruin the love fest, but I have to say on re-watching Scream for the first time in years, it didn’t hold up as well for me. I loved Scream when I saw it as a teenager back in 1996. I saw it with my best friend late at night on VHS and I had that cordless phone with the distinctive ring that you hear throughout the movie. Almost on cue, a friend called us during the film causing us both to jump. I was a big fan of 80’s slashers and Psycho as a teenager, so I ate this movie up.

    I watched it last week with my husband (who had seen Scream 2 but not Scream) and I found the opening kill just as suspenseful and upsetting as I had remembered. Even with years of parody and cliche, that opening is horror gold. Once we got to the main characters, however, I found myself liking them a lot less than I previously had. Maybe I am turning into more of a curmudgeon than I already was as a youngster, but I found the three male leads a bit grating and obnoxious at times. I had kind of forgotten how slimy and manipulative Billy was (although I have never liked Skeet Ulrich) and while I really liked Randy and Stu before, I found them less entertaining this time. I can relate to Randy’s movie obsession, but I found him a bit on the creepy side watching this as an adult. He seemed a little too vulture like as he hovered around Sid and Billy’s drippy after school special romance to be truly likable. I had also remembered finding Stu a lot funnier when I first saw this, and while I still love some of his lines, there was a moment in the video store where he is goofing around with his tongue out and I found myself wishing one of the other characters would punch him in the face.

    There is still quite a bit about Scream that works well for me though. The horror references are delightful and I love the whole party at Stu’s house. When Tatum gets killed with the garage door it still makes me cringe (I definitely used the pet door a few times as a kid when accidentally locking myself out), and I love drunk Randy watching Halloween with the killer stalking from behind.

    I would agree that this movie was a welcome drink of water during the 90’s horror drought and if I were rating it solely for its decade I would give it a 9.5, but from me it gets a 7.5 overall when compared to the many horror classics out there.

    • Totally agree with your thoughts on these pouty teens. Super annoying. I never liked Billy either (I relate greatly to Randy’s take on him in Scream 2) and I see how Lillard could be off-putting, but I absolutely live Stu anyway, as well as Randy and Dewey. I think Randy is played to be slightly creepy, but that’s okay because, outside of Billy, he is the best suspect we’ve got. At the end, he’s just a lovable injured puppy. You made me a little sad Allyson, but I can’t really argue with you, it’s always good to hear some dissenting opinions, and your ratings are ultimately pretty strong. Continue to leave your critiques and we’ll read the best on our over-view show.

      • Drew was going to post a response himself, but the week got away from us. (He doesn’t get to pretend to work at home while slacking on the computer like I do). He has a big fondness for 90’s nostalgia and really enjoyed Scream. He said the teens actually reminded him of some of the guys in his high school days and that there were at least one or two guys like Stu running around. He said Matthew Lillard’s performance at the very end of the film is one of the things he loved most about the movie, especially how disturbing and funny his dialogue was while he was dying.

    • Yay, Allyson! I’m almost 100% in agreement with you when it comes to finding the characters in “Scream” obnoxious and annoying. Right down to that moment in the video store with Stu and just thinking “If I knew this guy in real life I’d be inclined to push him off a bridge”.

      That said, I think the reading of the movie (as suggested by the hosts in the episode) as a critique of, or at least a meditation on, that horridly entitled, nihilistic attitude does go some way towards justifying the unpleasant nature of the characters. Still, I personally find it a hard hurdle to get over. Josh was right when he said that the characters have more depth than the standard kids from a “Friday the 13th” movie but that depth doesn’t necessarily translate into likability and relatability for me. Given the choice I think I’d much rather hang out with the group from “The Final Chapter” than the characters in “Scream”. Maybe I was just born into the wrong generation.

      • I’m not sure how much credit I am willing to give Kevin Williamson’s script for being a critique or parody of teen behavior. I think there are moments of parody, but I think a good deal of the relationship drama was intended to be serious and those were the scenes that irritated me the most. I wasn’t surprised to learn that Williamson created “Dawson’s Creek”. There are moments in this movie that seem intentionally serious and they play off as very 90’s and angst ridden. For me angst doesn’t equal depth of character. I do appreciate how this franchise is willing to poke fun at itself however, especially in “Scream 2”.

        • Also, I would hang out with P.J. Soles character in “Halloween” if I got to pick, but the kids from “Friday the 13th: The Final Chapter” make a great choice.

        • I can’t really make up my mind with regards to Williamson deserving credit for that or not (especially considering how mediocre some of his other work is) but I guess I’m happy coming at it from Dr Walking Dead’s preferred approach of interpretation trumping intention.

          Oddly though, I find that the more distance time puts between me and the 90’s, the more I’m able to enjoy that angsty obnoxiousness. I guess it’s the rose tint of retrospection but there’s almost a weird, sophomoric charm to it now. I’m just a nostalgic old fool I suppose.

        • I was pretty bummed out to hear of Wes Craven’s passing this morning on the news. It is made all that more poignant considering that HMP is covering Scream right now and I just watched it last night for the first time in a long while.

          I just wanted to send a heartfelt thanks to Wes Craven for what he did for the horror movement in 3 separate decades. The Last House on the Left has been and always will be a controversial film but regardless of whether you loved it or hated it, it was groundbreaking and helped pave the road for many classic films (TCM I’m looking at you!!).

          In the 1980s Nightmare of Elm Street started a horror franchise that had its ups and downs, but it also made a star out of the much loved Robert Englund and a pop culture dynamo out of Freddy Krueger. It is tough to think of a more recognizable figure in all of horror.

          I don’t think that I need to mention the impact of Scream in the 90s as it has been covered here and over the next couple of weeks.

          One headline that I saw today noted Wes Craven as “The Maestro of Horror”. I can’t really think of a more fitting label for the man that gave us so many frights over the years.

          Thanks again Wes!

          The Dude.

          • Wow, I also thought about the timing of this episode. What a devastating blow to hear of Wes Craven’s passing. I agree with The Dude…what a master. He redefined the genre over and over again. It’s hard to imagine never having another Wes Craven film. “Scream” is the epitome of my teenage years…I was 16 when it came out and it was absolutely terrifying to me. I had Billy pegged as the killer from Sidney’s attack and when he was “killed” I was completely thrown for a loop. Like, wait a minute…now what? I remember having to stop the movie to go to work and dying for 8 hours because I couldn’t wait to get home and find out who the killer was. Wes Craven was one of the reasons I spent years sleeping with the lights on.

    • I’ve been thinking about the death for a few hours now. Ironically, despite starting SCREAM 4 a few days ago, I hadn’t gotten around to finishing it. I just finished watching it now and it felt like a good way to focus on the celebrating Craven’s life rather than mourn his death.

      It makes me really happy that HMP decided to begin this SCREAM fest prior to his death. Whenever a celebrity dies, there’s always this great amount of attention and looking back at their work. While that’s a sincere tribute, looking back at his work prior to his death is a reminder that Craven meant something to his fans and there wasn’t a reason needed to celebrate his career. Instead, it was just a matter of Craven having this awesome series, so let’s look at it. Same thing goes for the announced plans of looking at A NIGHTMARE ON ELM STREET in October.

      Wes Craven’s death is some really awful news. Even though he was up there in age, I had never even thought about Craven not being here one day. Again though, I’d rather celebrate his life and career rather than focusing on the depressing fact that he’s gone. He played a huge role in my horror fandom and is responsible for some of my earliest experiences with the genre.

  9. Oh man, Love the show guys. Just discovered it this past week and have been grinding through back episodes. so much fun.

    As far as comedy horror, no mention of Slither or Texas Chainsaw Massacre 2??
    Incoming Mail!!!

    • Well, the comedy-horror films we discussed are directly related to movies Jay has shown a predilection for (or bias against) in the past. This fabled comedy episode is going to happen at some point and you can bet we’ll be bringing out all of the big guns.

      Big, BIG fan of Slither. And there are so many other great ones. One important arguable horror-comedy we left out that also precedes Scream in the post-modern, self-aware, horror references is FRIDAY THE 13th PART VI: JASON LIVES. Major oversight.

      So glad you found us, Ryan. Thanks for listening and participating.

      • I’m so glad to find others who love Slither. “Margaret packs a box lunch.” Gets me every time. I’m also secretly in love with Nathan Fillion, so…ooops. Secret’s out.

          • I LOVED SLITHER. It’s such a fun throwback movie during a time period when all we were getting were torture porn flicks. It pained me when I checked Boxofficemojo and saw it was a box office dud.

            I would be mad at those mean people who choose to skip SLITHER and instead pay to see something like SAW 2 or SAW 3, but then I remembered I paid to see SAW 2 and 3 and skipped SLITHER. Ha

      • Love Slither!!! The horror, the comedy, the gore. Even has Air Supply in the soundtrack which fits in so awkwardly and yet awesome! Would love to hear yall cover it. I even bought a Canadian blu Ray because there hasn’t been an American one

        • I came here with intention of talking about Slither in relation to the horror comedy talk. Glad to see that one has already been mentioned, since that one has been thrown out there, could I recommend the Larry Cohen flick, “The Stuff”?

          Would love for those two films to be included in a future horror comedy podcast doscussion.

  10. My first Scream screening was with Wolfman Josh. He’d seen it a day before and we skipped class to see it. I’ve been a huge fan ever since.

    This episode was stellar. Loved the analysis by Doc Walk, as always. The passion from Josh goes a long way for a listener, too.

    I’m excited for the other episodes; my only regret is that Station and I could only guest on one of the film discussions. But again, bravo.

    • I’m starting to think that I need to cut back on the passion as my analysis is apparently often over-shadowed. That’s at least two comments in the topic so far. I am glad the passion at least isn’t a turn off, however.

      Matt, I can’t specifically say I remember going with you, but I remember (again, passionately) trying to convince more and more people that the movie was worth seeing right away in theaters and to go along with me (kind of like I’m doing with Survivor over on Movie Stream Cast right now). For some reason, Dave Groesbeck stands out amongst my friends (maybe because of Stations! recent, hilarious reference to him on a The Sci-Fi Podcast) and a girl named Olivia on the romantic side of things. She and Noah had just broken-up and I took her to Scream and ice cream ( “i-scream” get it ) the next very night. Bad friend … great date!

      • No way! The passion is contagious. I absolutely love Scream. I had already been planning to watch it in the next week or so, but hearing you guys talk about it made me want to pop it in right away. I can’t wait to hear the rest of the franchise overview.

        • Agreed; the passion is vital if it’s there. I understand the concern about analyzing fairly, but who cares? I pull the same crap on our upcoming Alien franchise reviews.

          And yeah, we went with Dave and Keaka. I remember Wildebore was pretty upset with me missing his two classes in favor of the movie.

          • Josh, if anything, more passion bro! I LOVED it! It made the listen that much more fun and intense. Not a turn-off at all. Actually, it was kind of a turn-on 😉

          • My strong opinion on possibly showing too much passion on a podcast:

            If you don’t have certain movies where you completely geek out for, then why are you even a movie podcaster? If there’s one thing all of these movie podcasters have in common, it’s that they’re gaga for movies. The personal tastes my differ, but that love of movies rings true for all of the crew on HMP, MPW, TSFP and elsewhere.

            It’s good to show passion. There’s enough sucktastic horror movies out there to be underwhelmed by.

    • There’s something really odd and unsettling about that noise in general. I don’t think you need to have seen (or have been scared by) either JU-ON or THE GRUDGE to be disturbed by that noise.

      • If anything, I’d say that sound is scarier if you haven’t seen any of the movies. At least if you’ve seen the movies and one of your buddies tries to freak you out by doing it, you know what he’s trying to do. You’re familiar with the sound.

        Now imagine it’s 2001 and young Dino is busy watching his favorite movie, CORKY RAMANO, and the phone rings. He picks up the phone and all he hears on the other sound is the JU-ON sound. Without any knowledge of the yet to be made JU-ON series, I’d say that would freak even the bravest of men out.

        It’s part of what makes that first film so scary. If you’ve seen the movie, you’re terrified of sticking your head up into an attic. If you haven’t seen the movie, you can still be scared senseless if someone plays that sound for you.

  11. I had a little giggle from the beginning of the show. I had a little boy in April and I too named him after one of my favorite horror characters. His name is Victor, after Victor Frankenstein. Cheers to horror inspired names!

    I’m so happy you guys are doing this series. Scream is one of my top horror movies and though I think the sequels are a bit underwhelming, I love the series as a whole. I was ten when this came out and saw it when it came out on video, thanks to my older sister being able to rent the R rated movies. Since I was so little at the time these characters have always seemed older than me. Even as I caught up to and surpassed their character’s ages. I re-watched the movie for about the millionth time and this was the first time that they all seemed younger than me. (Is that was having kids does to you?!?!)
    Since I was watching it with somewhat fresh eyes, it got a little creepier. For the first time I was watching a couple of teenagers being so brutal and unapologetic about it. It definitely increased the tension during the final kitchen scene. I watch this movie a lot, throw it on as background noise, so I’ve become a little desensitized to how much I actually enjoy it. I had a lot of fun with this last re-watch and kind of made me feel like I was a little kid again seeing it for the first time.

    And a very sad farewell to Wes Craven. He’s a huge part in why I love horror so much.

  12. Wolfman, I’m loving the little Scream franchise review button in the sidebar. Man, that Ghostface… I love it. I gotta say, it looks right at home alongside the Halloween pumpkin and Voorhees mask.

  13. I loved this episode. I am totally loving this episode, even though I don’t like the movie itself. However, it is making me want to go back and revisit the film from a different point of view since I am no longer the kid in his early twenties who saw it in the theater. That kid was never really surprised by the killer and maybe felt that he was supposed to be, that kid hated the annoying characters, that kid didn’t really look at films the same way this adult does, and maybe I’ll have a different view of the film in hindsight. But with that said-

    I love the brief discussion on Horror/comedy! I love the acknowledgement of how comedy can work in a horror film as well as an explanation of how it doesn’t work. And I think that, as a result of the Scary Movie series and maybe the Zombieland or Warm Bodies or other films that decide to cross pollinate the film landscape, there’s a new kneejerk reaction regarding the “horror comedy” label itself. I really want to see an in depth analysis of the sub-genre and maybe a few films taken that show the good, bad and mediocre ways in which Horror Comedy exists.

    And I think it’s extremely important to have a dead serious discussion on these comedic aspects in horror… pun intended with a tongue planted firmly in cheek, but also very serious. I take horror and comedy very seriously and think that both utilize many of the same beats, the same reliance on timing, and the same manipulation of expectations in order to directly affect the audience in a specific manner. I don’t think it’s possible to even come close to understanding one without also taking a look at the other- the proverbial opposite sides of the same coin, or some other such standard stereotype. That Jay felt so pinned down speaks to the energy such a discussion would have and, forgive me for saying so, I find his lack of comfort with the topic to be entirely disturbing in a really interesting way.

    One question: What had Liev Schreiber done at that point in his career? I don’t remember ever having heard of him when I saw the movie and I thought it was kind of interesting that they brought the same actor back for the sequel, but I honestly thought he /was/ a nobody actor back then. What, exactly, was Schreiber known for- or was he? I thought Scream 2 was kind of what launched his career. Did I miss him in something leading up to Scream?

    Regarding “Cabin in the Woods”, though- I actually have the exact opposite feeling regarding that film as opposed to “Scream”. I thought Cabin delivered a much deeper analysis and a much more brutal sense of horror than the other series- but here’s why: *Spoiler* The characters in Cabin weren’t actually the archetypes they were supposed to represent. In point of fact, they’re being forced, manipulated, and drugged into performing in a manner that is consistent with these archetypes by other characters who are essentially middle management blue collar button-pushers. All of the monster stuff was a smokescreen to the real horror- not even these Old Ones were really the horror, but rather the mundane way in which this group was approaching what is essentially a ritual sacrifice. In “Scream” the horror was personal, direct, and ultimately an issue of direct violence. In “Cabin” the horror is an all encompassing organization that will undermine its victims to the point of erasing their identities before outright killing them. This scares me much more than a masked killer with a knife.

    • The HMP crew’s stance on Schreiber left me confused as well. I had never heard of him before SCREAM and even when I check his IMDb page (For notable movies prior to SCREAM) and Wiki (Possible mainstream relationship with a bigger star?) and I don’t have any greater understanding for why the HMP crew felt Schreiber was the second biggest star in the movie behind Barrymore. While Campbell and Cox were known for their television work, I knew of Arquette and Lillard from some of their previous movie work.

      • It’s not that Shrieber was necessarily a bigger star than the others, but he was a HUGE star for non-speaking, glorified extra role that he had. Schrieber was like THE indie “it” actor of 1996. He was in THREE Sundance hits earlier that year, two of which he had a major role in. Everybody was talking about Walking and Talking and The Daytrippers (a must see for indie dramedy fans), the latter directed by Greg Motolla who would go on to direct films like Adventureland, Superbad and Paul). He was also in the modest success, but critical darling, Big Night (a lovely film) with Stanley Tucci, Ian Holm and Tony Shalhoub. And before that he had very memorable turns in Mixed Nuts with Steve Martin and Mad Love with Drew Barrymore, neither were great movies, but he was good in them. So, he was extremely recognizable to people who followed film closely when this movie came out and you had to expect he’d have some big scene at some point … which never happened until the sequel.

  14. I’ve got to say, I’ve honestly never been a big fan of this film, and I downright loath the sequels. The first film does its job well, but I always go back to “There’s Nothing Out There” from 1991, which is a sort of another proto-“Scream” in a way, as it covers much of the same concepts, but retains a trashy, low budget atmosphere and feel. I also feel that it’s worth mentioning that the original “Prom Night” also featured a wild, physical, killer that often stumbled and could be fought-off and hurt as well, although “Scream” does make better use of that idea. I look forward to hearing your thoughts on the other “Scream” films. Perhaps I’ll even be convinced to rewatch some of them :). Cheers.

  15. At 39-ish minutes of episode 065; discussing same sex attraction. THANK YOU!! Thank you so much for discussing homosexuality without adding personal judgment and opinions or making a joke out of it. Yet another reason why Horror Movie Podcast is the best horror movie podcast.

    Thanks again,
    Your Big Gay Fan
    Scott Waller

    • Glad to hear, Scott. I was a little bit afraid of perpetuating that 60s-80s TV trope of the gay psycho killer character when bringing-up Leopold and Loeb. Glad that wasn’t offensive and taken simply as the bit of historical trivia that it was intended to be. I definitely saw an intimacy between Stu and Billy that hinted at something beyond just friendship and I think that adds an interesting depth to their characters.

      Your big straight gay-ally host, Josh

      • That’s tough to say. I really enjoyed it, but very much in a guilty pleasure kind of way. It’s not good, but it’s not bad either. Very teenage drama, but with some decent suspense and horror elements scattered throughout.

        I’d say if you’ve enjoyed the first few episodes then it’s worth sticking it out.

          • I watched the first two episodes of the series last night. Thus far, I’m pretty unconvinced as to whether I enjoy or hate it. I do dig the mask. It seems like a cross between Ghostface and the mask on the cover of TOURIST TRAP. I can also appreciate how social media plays a far bigger role in this one than it did even in SCREAM 4. In looking back, it doesn’t seem as if SCREAM 4 did much with social media, despite the social media explosion that began some years earlier in the mid 2000’s. Considering the fact Vine had yet to be created at the time of SCREAM 4 and Instagram was only around six months old at the time of SCREAM 4’s release, there wasn’t much Ghostface could have done social media wise in 2011.

            Right now, I’m just waiting for the series to make me care about the characters. At the present time, I can’t say I care about any of them.

          • Tourist Trap! Of course. I wish I had thought of that during our review. I won’t spoil my thoughts on the rest of your comments yet, but I do look forward to the comment board discussions about the show when we get there.

    • I’m getting ready to start the series, but I’m hoping for a pleasant surprise. What scares me is that the plot sounds like a mix between SCREAM and UNFRIENDED.

  16. Well how in the world did I not find you guys before this??? I am super new here, but so excited about this community of horror lovers.

    I was in the sixth grade in ’96, and made begging my Catholic mother to let me see this movie my full time job. It was a mission. When it finally came out on VHS and our Friday night blockbuster video run rolled around, I whispered to the nearest employee to hold a copy at the front for us. While my mom perused the latest Oscar-bait and Meg Ryan features, I desperately ran scenarios in my mind that led to my mother actually renting this film for me.

    My horror exposure to date included an accidental midnight viewing of Poltergeist (holy hell did that ruin my young, impressionable psyche) and Nickelodeon’s Are You Afraid of the Dark, which, upon recent viewing, I am embarrassed to have loved. Even at 12 I should have known how uninspired that writing was.

    My mother very reluctantly agreed to watch the film herself that Friday night, and decide by Saturday if I would be allowed to see it (there may have been the threat of a 12 year old’s tears in the middle of the store involved in that decision). She loved the movie so much she almost ruined every detail of the plot for me by about noon on Saturday. It’s all she could talk about.

    We watched it together three times that weekend, and outside of seeing Jurassic Park in the theatre for the first time, it is the most influential movie viewing of my youth that I can remember. I needed all the horror. All of it.

    My mother didn’t protest the next Friday at Blockbuster when I came to the front with Prom Night, Halloween, Friday the 13th, and Carrie. We watched most of them together, and loved every second.

    I loved this episode, love you guys, love the podcast, and have had some wine so I hope it’s OK that I rambled :)

    Looking forward to much more, and it’s so nice to meet you all.

    • I don’t know how you’ve missed us until now, but we’re very glad to have you. Welcome!

      I love your “Scream” story. If you don’t mind, I’ll share a bit of it on the final overview.

      Check out our sidebar for our very best episodes, in my opinion. I love the themed episodes. And, yes, we’ve got an awesome community here of horror film lovers. Very smart and respectful.

      And your wine-fueled ramblings will fit right in as well (ahem … David).

      Thanks for listening and thanks again for participating.

    • I have zero shame or embarrassment about loving ARE YOU AFRAID OF THE DARK? Now as an adult, I sometimes go back and re-watch some of the classic episodes. Sure, they’re incredibly cheesy, but there’s a certain charm to them. To me, it was a perfect show to get kids into horror by introducing them to classic horror characters, plots and themes while keeping it tame enough not to scare the kids. To this day though, I still find the opening video to be the scariest part of the series.

      I agree with Josh about enjoying your SCREAM story. When you mentioned your mom watching it the day before to see if you’d be allowed to see it, I thought for sure you’d get a rejection by her and having to figure out some other way to watch it. Instead, we get this sweet story of a family having some bonding time over horror movies.

      • I agree on Are You Afraid of the Dark. It served it’s purpose well. There are some episodes I would never re-watch because I would hate to replace the intense effect it had on me in my youth with whatever I might think about it today. And YES THAT OPENING SEQUENCE. So unsettling.

    • That’s a great story. Definitely not how I thought it would turn out! You’re very lucky to have your mother as a horror buddy.

      And welcome to the HMP community! Wine ramblings are always welcome.

  17. Great show, gentlemen. My only complaint, as always, is wishing it went on longer!

    Without the obvious, as hearing it from Kevin Williamson himself, what do you think were the films that influenced Scream the most?

    I’m sure most will state (as mentioned in this show) Popcorn, Black Christmas, & When a Stranger Calls. BTW, Black Christmas is a 10/10 for me. Absolute masterpiece, preferring it to Halloween.

    With how “bad” the decade of the 90’s were for horror, is Scream automatically everyone’s favorite film in that ten year collection?

    I can think of a few that challenge it.

    • Some have mentioned preferring FROM DUSK TILL DAWN in this thread as a superior 1996 horror movie.

      Outside of those two movies, the rest of the 90’s is slim pickings for me when it comes to the absolute best. There’s WES CRAVEN’S NEW NIGHTMARE, THE AUDITION, ARMY OF DARKNESS, CHILD’S PLAY 2, DEAD ALIVE, RINGU, ect.

      One could make the argument that the best scary movies of the 1990’s weren’t even horror movies. SILENCE OF THE LAMBS, SE7EN, JURASSIC PARK, ect.

      • None of those horror films get anywhere close to Scream for me, Sal, but I really enjoyed your inclusion of Silence of the Lambs, Seven and Jurassic Park. I’d add Misery to that list as well (although I personally count Misery and SotLambs as horror).

        • Good shout out for MISERY. It fits in nicely with the questionable horror, but still scary movies like JURASSIC PARK and others. I’d also include Michael Keaton’s PACIFIC HEIGHTS.

          I’ve never cared too much about definitively determining whether a movie is actually a horror movie or not. Any questionable horror movie still fits under the larger scary movies umbrella. Same thing goes for the horror comedies that some have a strict stance on that they’re not actually horror.

    • It’s probably obvious from my gushing, but I think Scream is in a class all its own when it comes to 90s horror.

      There are many others I like. We did a huge “Horror of the 90s” special that has been alluded to many times on the podcast. It was me, Jay, Doc and Kyle along with BillChete, Gregamortis and a few others. We went through every single year of the 90s and gave a Top 5 for each, as I remember it. I hope Jay can track that down and post it because it is an awesome episode.

      Off the top of my head … I also love Misery, Interview with a Vampire, Ringu, Event Horizon and I think those are all quality films.

      I’d agree with From Dusk Til Dawn, but it’s a b-movie and closer to a guilty pleasure for me than a serious consideration. Technically, Tremors is from 1990, but I think of it as a 80s movie. I suppose that would be number 2 behind Scream for me. The Blair Witch Project is technically 1999, but I didn’t see it until 2000 and think of it as a millennial movie. I suppose that would be at number 3 on the list.

      The 90s had the worst Jason movies, the worst Freddy movies, the worst Michael Myers movies … I’m not a fan of the Child’s Play or Hellraiser or Phantasm or Candyman movies. None of that lands for me. I can now appreciate the Blade movies, but I don’t think of them as horror movies. I think all of the Scream knock-off like I Know What You Did Last Summer (but especially those sequels) and stuff like Urban Legends is mostly atrocious. For me, The Faculty is the one standout amongst those post-Scream flicks and it would make a Top 10 from the 90s.

      I will say, don’t everyone leave your “best films of the 90s” lists yet because that is coming up in a future giveaway contest during this franchise review.

      • The first Candyman is smart, well directed and acted and features a phenomenal Philip Glass score. What’s not to like ?

        Imo there weren’t a lot of good American horrors in the 90s, but they were doing iT a lot better in other parts of the World : Cronos, Dellamorte Dellamore, Nattevagten, The Ugly, Ringu, Los Sin Nombre …

        The 90s were great for guilty pleasures too : Demon Knight, Brainscan, People under the Stairs, The Relic, Ticks, Wishmaster …

      • I was about to ask why you hadn’t watched EXORCIST 3 before remembering that the original EXORCIST was on your “I’m never going to watch it” list for ages before you reviewed it on a Wolfman’s Got Nards segment in some past episode.

        EXORCIST 3 is more than worth checking out. It has a very different feel to it than the original movie, so if you’ve been putting it off for the same reasons you did with THE EXORCIST, I don’t think you need to have those concerns. Feel free to skip the rest of the EXORCIST movies, especially the first sequel unless you’re in the mood to torture yourself.

        I agree with Dragon though, EXORCIST 3 is an undervalued sequel. On the plus side, it’s becoming more common as the years pass for people to praise the movie.

  18. Come on, Wolfman….NARDS! You have to see it. You’ll love it.

    Jay wouldn’t approve because of the horror comedy connection but Alex Winter’s Freaked & Peter Jackson’s The Frighteners are loads of fun.

    Gremlins II holds up on that level too.

    I still think, although not the best, but the scariest film of the decade is When a Stranger Calls Back. Destroys the original. Has indelible scares. Don’t knock it until you watch it.

      • Controversial opinion – I enjoyed Jeffrey Combs as Milton Dammers more than I did Combs as Herbert West. I LOVE West throughout the entire RE-ANIMATOR trilogy, but Dammers was a really fun character.

        It’s a pity Combs never broke out as a mainstream star. He’s a great character based actor.

    • Absolutely open to watching the rest of the Exorcist movies now that I’ve seen the original and survived. Funnily enough, I’m actually trying to write an exorcism type movie now myself, so I should definitely watch everything I can.

  19. A little off topic, but I wanted to mention how excited I am about THE GREEN INFERNO. They had an ad* for it before SINISTER 2 that was a series of audience shots from an apparent screening of the film with pull quotes overlaying the shots. The only thing from the movie that was in the ad were some background sounds from the film – mostly screams and some pretty gnarly chewing sounds. I’m stoked for it… I hope it doesn’t disappoint.

    * I call it an ad rather than a trailer because it didn’t include any actual footage from the film… the best kind of “trailer” in my book.

    • With THE GREEN INFERNO, CRIMSON PEAK and a few other notable releases later this year, along with what we’ve already had in 2015, I think it’s turning out to be one of the better years in horror in awhile. I know Juan (and probably a few others) have mentioned 2013 as being pretty great… which it was… but I think this year will be able to at least hold its own up against it.

    • I’m not a huge fan of those sort of theater trailers. It feels pretty fabricated and if your movie experience isn’t similar, you’re left with an immediate disappointment.

      I do prefer that style over virtually showing a 2 minute version of the movie like most trailers do. Let’s leave a little bit to the imagination.

      • Yeah, I typically don’t watch trailers at all, so I said “best kind” sort of in jest. It’s definitely fabricated, but it got me hooked nonetheless (not that I needed much convincing on that one).

        • For the past few minutes, I’ve been trying to think of a good recent horror trailer that A) Reveals enough about the plot to give you an idea of what it’s about and B) Doesn’t reveal so much that you feel like you’ve already seen the movie or know the twists. My quest isn’t going so well though.

          It does make me further appreciate the JASON TAKES MANHATTAN trailer all the more. So you have a new FRIDAY THE 13TH movie, what’s a good trailer? Ehh…just show Jason in NYC. *BOOM* You know exactly what the movie is going to be about without any key moments being spoiled. Now, if only Jason actually spent more time in Manhattan. >_>

  20. The timing of this is such a sad coincidence. I am eagerly awaiting the next episode.

    I’d like to say that Wes Craven’s passing has been one of the few celebrity passings that affected me deeply. Both ‘A nightmare on Elm Street’ and ‘Scream’ are in my top 20 movies of all time. I will sincerely miss seeing his name at the top of new movie titles

  21. At Chicago Comic Con this year, Eli Roth showed us an exclusive clip from The Green Inferno. I was already elated to see the film. Watching that clip made me wish the release date was moved up. I think it looks great.

    I’m not a fan of the earlier cannibal films though. The cruelty to animals is completely uncalled for.

    Can’t wait for this film though.

  22. First time posting on your website. I first want to start off by saying that I totally dig your podcast. It is one of the best horror movie podcasts I have listened to (currently the only one). Right now I am listening to your Halloween franchise reviews while I wait for current episodes to be available.

    Now on to Scream 1, 2 and 3… Scream is in the top 5 of my all time favorite horror movies. I love everything about this movie. It’s scary, it’s gory, it’s funny and it’s a bloody good time! It’s a movie I can watch at least 2-3 times a year. I did not like Scream 2 as much, but it’s still watchable ( watch once a year). Scream 3 is a dud and I have watched it maybe 3 times total (I leave this one out when watching the Scream series).

  23. I just discovered you today – this is grand! I started listening at work so I didn’t blow my brains out at my desk and now I’m at home listening to part 2 of the Scream podcasts. Can’t wait to hear what else you have to talk about. Scream is a heavy influence for me – kick started my love of horror when I was 6 years old, back in 1997 when I sneakily watched the VHS my brother had – so I was thrilled to hear people talking about it for over 2 hours while I was at work today haha. Cheers!

  24. First viewing??
    I missed the release of this film, as I was seven when this first came out, and Josh’s plea that we watch the movie before we listened to the podcast inspired me to view Scream for the first time.

    You’ll note that I added a couple of question marks earlier, because even though I don’t remember actually seeing this film, I knew who the killers were and I definitely remembered some of the scenes. I think I actually saw this film in part when I woke up early one morning to find my dad watching it in the lounge. He did this quite often with horror films as my mum is terrified of anything even remotely scary, and in fact its the way I viewed some of the best horror films around (Alien, Hellraiser, Blair Witch Project), not to mention totally inappropriate action movies like Die Hard and Total Recall. Ironically, this is how I now watch my horror movies, and low and behold, my daughter, although only one year old, happened to wake up and watch the end of Scream with me, albeit she was more interested in her teddy bear than the TV.

    Anyway, as a ‘first’ time viewer, I found this film really compelling and difficult to turn away from. It wasn’t predictable, as the double-bluff threw me off track, and it was just a generally enjoyable movie. It wasn’t at all scary, I don’t think many slashers are (especially of this era), and its a bit campy, but for a first viewing it holds up to (most of) the hype. It keeps you guessing, there are some great performances, and it just doesn’t take itself too seriously. Everything you need in a comedy-horror slasher flick.

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