Horror Movie Podcast Ep. 066: Scream 2 (1997) and Scream 3 (2000) — Scream Franchise Review Part 2 of 3

Scream 2 of 3

Welcome to the second installment of our SCREAM FRANCHISE REVIEW for HORROR MOVIE PODCAST, where we’re Dead Serious About Horror Movies.

Just as we did for the Halloween films back in October 2014 and the Friday the 13th films back in February of 2015, we’re giving you some hardcore Ghostface coverage with in-depth analysis of the entire Scream franchise, including all four movies and the new MTV series. In this episode, we welcome Mattroid and STATION from The Sci-Fi Podcast and bring you reviews for Scream 2 (1997) and Scream 3 (2000).

Horror Movie Podcast would also like to acknowledge the tragic passing of horror icon Wes Craven this past week. This episode was actually recorded before Wes lost his battle with brain cancer and we have decided to hold our memoriam for him until our final installment of this franchise review. Of course, we are all saddened by this event and give our best to his family and friends at this time. His death is a huge loss. Rest in peace, Wes. And thanks for the SCREAMS!

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SHOW NOTES:

I. Introduction
— Horror in the News: Young woman’s corpse vanishes from casket after funeral
— The HMP Tribute to Wes Craven is forthcoming…
— FYI: This episode’s prize giveaway
For this episode:
Prize – ‘Stab’ t-shirt (as seen in Scream 2 & 3)

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[ 00:11:37 ] II. Feature Review: SCREAM 2 (1997) with special guests STATION and Mattroid of The Sci-Fi Podcast
Jay of the Dead = 7.5 ( Buy it! )
Wolfman Josh = 7 ( Buy it! )
Dr. Shock = 8 ( Buy it! )
Mattroid = 6.5 ( Buy it! )
STATION = 8.5 ( Buy it! )

— “Horror Movie Answer Men” Question From Ashley: Dewey’s Pizza
— Video: “What Is Dewey’s Pizza All About?


[ 00:52:44 ] III. Feature Review: SCREAM 3 (2000)
Jay of the Dead = 7 ( Strong Rental )
Wolfman Josh = 8 ( Buy it! )
Dr. Shock = 7 ( Buy it! )


[ 01:26:30 ] IV. HMP PLANS for October and Halloween 2015


V. Wrap-Up / Plugs / Ending
— “Your Lucky Day in Hell” – from Scream 2


JOIN US NEXT FRIDAY ON HMP: For our third installment of the Scream franchise review where we will be discussing Scream 4 (2011) and the Scream television series.

LINKS FOR THIS EPISODE:

—Josh says to watch this video to find out: “What Is Dewey’s Pizza All About?

Mattroid’s links:
—Read Matt’s tribute “An Ode to Wes Craven” for The Daily Herald newspaper as “Gary the Unicorn” at heraldextra.com
—Watch Matt’s Gary the Unicorn comedy sketches about things like alien abduction on YouTube
—Listen to Matt & Liz discuss sci-fi movies on The Sci Fi Podcast
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Dave’s daily movie review website: DVD Infatuation.com
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268 thoughts on “Horror Movie Podcast Ep. 066: Scream 2 (1997) and Scream 3 (2000) — Scream Franchise Review Part 2 of 3

    • Some thoughts on the two films:

      – SCREAM 2 –

      It’s very much so a typical slasher sequel where it’s not as good as the previous in virtually every way, but it’s still a fine movie. Personally, I dug the opening scene especially the idea of being stabbed while in the theater. That’s a scary situation and I’m not even talking about the real life events in recent months. Putting myself in the situation, if some nutjob stabbed in in the theater during a horror movie, how long is it going to be before other moviegoers realize I’m not being obnoxious, but that I’m really in pain and need help? This fear spills out into charades as well. You could be dead on the floor for several minutes and some moron will still be shouting things like “Fish out of water” and “beating a dead horse”. The only thing I dislike about that opening scene is the stabbing through the restroom stall wall. Every time I see the movie, that scene stands out to me as being impossible. With every stall having some gaps between the walls and the door, they could have fixed that issue by having the guy try and peek in and get a knife in the face.

      The biggest flaw for me were the characters. It’s not even that the new characters are bad, but they’re just missed opportunities. I kinda liked Sarah Michelle Gellar’s character, but then we barely get any time with her before she’s killed off. With a little character development with the ex that has the drinking problems, she should have been one of the core teens. I was not a fan of the character of Derek at all. He’s so bland and devoid of any personality, but the main reason to dislike him is that he stands in the way of Randy getting the girl. If they had to kill Randy (Hate that he had to die), he should have had some sort of connection with Sidney first. If nothing else, that would have made his dying all the more depressing since he finally got what he wanted before having it ripped out of his hands. A change in Derek could have made him an awesome addition though. Have him do his whole preppy bland routine as either a minor character or Hallie’s boyfriend before revealing he was Ghostface with a total 180 shift in his personality. It would have been fun for me at least. I dug Mickey, but we barely got to know him throughout the movie so his fate didn’t mean much. I will say that I loved Laurie Metcalf as Debbie Salt. She’s a quirky actress and thanks to her roles on TV, you don’t think of her as a villain. She played the role perfectly and out of every killer in the series (And TV series), she had the most logical reason for doing the killings.

      SCREAM 2’s strength comes from just being a continuation of a great previous movie. It’s fun to meet up with the main characters again and to see what has happened to them since the events of the first movie. Some of the death scenes are good, particularly the full police car scene. For a sequel, it’s just good enough to be worth popping in immediately after you finish watching SCREAM. I’d rate it 7.5/10 and buy it in the context of watching it with SCREAM, but rent it if you’re going to watch it on it’s own.

      – SCREAM 3 –

      I’ve never cared much for this movie. I hated the change in location because it loses it’s relatable feel for me. I know what it’s like to live in a small town, just as I do living on an university campus. Living in the Hollywood world? Can’t relate. As much as I loved Randy, I hated his cameo. If you wanted to bring him back to spell out the rules for a trilogy, you shouldn’t have killed him. Once he died, they shouldn’t have brought him back. Before I get too carried away with the negatives, I will say one thing SCREAM 3 did right was go against previous expectations by only having one person don the Ghostface mask. I hate who was revealed to be the killer and hate the reasoning even more, but my attempts at trying to peg the killers failed since I was trying to guess two characters.

      I hate what they did with Sidney’s mother’s backstory. Even though the pitfalls of Hollywood makes for a great story, it becomes too over the top to believe so easily. I can believe she was a small town hussy, but to also believe she went to Hollywood, slept around/forced, and ended up having an illegitimate child? It’s too far fetched for me.

      The final scene lost all drama for me once Dewey and Gale began shouting off in the distance. It began to feel like a comedy with their failed attempts at trying to get past the door, but WAIT…there’s another way in~! As I said, I hated the reveal and the explanation for why he did the murders. It’s just too big of a coincidence that Sidney’s brother would end up getting the gig of directing STAB 3. That’s what this movie is though. It’s convoluted and all of the pieces fit a little too well. Thanks to the fact that the MPAA forced the movie to be far tamer than the original, the viewers don’t even get the gore or great kills. To me, it’s a movie you only watch when you’re doing a SCREAM marathon. Frankly though, with SCREAM 4 messing up the trilogy nature of the series, I don’t think one needs to watch SCREAM 3 anymore. Just go from SCREAM 2 directly to SCREAM 4 and you’ll be better off. I’d rate it 5/10, simply because it does have characters you love with either a Rent It (If you’re going to do the full SCREAM series), otherwise, just avoid it against the first viewing.

      Somewhere in my CD collection, I still own my copy of the SCREAM 3: The Album though. I fully admit to listening to it a lot when I was in junior high.

      • I agree EXACTLY with everything you say about Scream 2 except the Mickey and Debbie Salt stuff. Yes, Mickey would have been improved by more screen time and yes the Mrs Loomis backstory is strong (she needed more screen time too), but I really dislike Laurie Metcalf and Oly-fantastic in these roles.

        • Admittedly, I am a big fan of Olyphant, so it might be why I wanted to like Mickey despite his lack of screen time. For Metcalf, I think she brought something to the role that no one else would have. Granted, you might consider that a bad thing, but I see that as Metcalf’s character standing out and having fun whenever she’s interacting with Gale.

      • I could not agree with you LESS about Scream 3. Although the Hollywood setting isn’t as easily relatable, it is a logical step in the Stab storyline.

        I love Maureen’s/Rina’s backstory. I think it’s totally plausible and probably happens every day. Even more so back in the ’70s.

        But, the thing I agree with you about least is:

        “The final scene lost all drama for me once Dewey and Gale began shouting off in the distance. It began to feel like a comedy with their failed attempts at trying to get past the door”

        I seriously almost rolled tears during this scene the first time I saw it. Having seen these movies in theaters and being obsessed with the first, Id known these characters very well for four years at this point and the lead of the film was dead or dying while her friends (who I cared about even more) were helpless to do anything about it. That distance (and the sound design I mentioned on the podcast) really underscored that helplessness and sorrow.

        I also think this is better than 2 or 4. I can’t fathom how someone likes 4 and not 3. 4 compounds all of the problems of 2 and 3, in my opinion. And it is so redundant. If you don’t like this one, might as well just stick to the original.

        • “I could not agree with you LESS about Scream 3.”

          That’s what I liked about your reviews of both movies. For SCREAM 2, I found myself agreeing with most of the things you said. Once the SCREAM 3 review came, I did a total 180. Considering your attitude towards the A NIGHTMARE ON ELM STREET series, I expect to have plenty more differing views coming up next month.

          For the Rina Hollywood backstory, I’m fine with it. It’s an interesting plot. My problem is I DON’T like it for the SCREAM series and Maureen. We have enough of a backstory that made Maureen interesting, but also remained in the realm of being thoroughly believable. Once this small town floozy now get this additional backstory of having a cliche dark side of Hollywood past, it’s not as believable. I prefer the small town feel.

          “I seriously almost rolled tears during this scene the first time I saw it”

          Hey, so was I. Granted, my tears were from laughter though.

  1. Top 5 90’s Horror Movies:

    Honorable mentions: HALLOWEEN H20, THE DENTIST, THE BLAIR WITCH PROJECT and DEAD ALIVE.

    5. RINGU (1998)
    4. WES CRAVEN’S NEW NIGHTMARE (1994)
    3. SCREAM (1996)
    2. THE AUDITION (1999)
    1. CHILD’S PLAY 2 (1990)

    I tried to keep it strictly horror and not just scary movies that may not technically be horror (MISERY, JURASSIC PARK, ARMY OF DARKNESS, ect).

        • I haven’t seen either for years, so maybe I’m just projecting because I’m not a Chucky fan and I’ve never heard much of anything positive about New Nightmare. It’s in my queue for for our upcoming Elm Street retrospective, so I hope I’m wrong.

          • Well. I’m a huge fan of Chucky and Freddy. Personally I think they trump Jason by a mile. So maybe I’m projecting lol

          • I didn’t mention Michael Myers because I am on the fence. He has no personality. The first movie is good but never found him particularly scary.

          • “He has no personality.”

            In my view that’s what makes him so effective. There’s definitely only one Freddy but Michael is a blank canvas onto which any human shape might be projected. His lack of personality makes him a vastly more universal threat.

      • I can understand questioning CHILD’S PLAY 2, but NEW NIGHTMARE seems odd to me. Truthfully, up until coming here, I’ve yet to hear nearly any negative talk about the movie. In fact, besides the original and DREAM WARRIORS, it seems to be the most respected and liked. Besides trying to bring Freddy back to basics of being more scary than funny, the movie is pretty SCREAM-like in acknowledging the popularity of horror and how it’s effected others. It’s a cleverly written movie and it’s a real shame the masses didn’t go for it like they should have.

        For CHILD’s PLAY 2, I had to put it on my list since it was the sole 90’s movie I had in my top 10 horror list. It’s one of my favorites despite the fact that it’s not an amazing movie. I’m partial to sequels since those horror icons are best known for their behaviors in those movies than they are in the original. For CHILD’S PLAY 2, it’s all about Chucky getting in the one liners, but still being a serious threat unlike the more comedy horrors of BRIDE and SEED OF CHUCKY.

        My age might play a role in it too. At the time of the main three CHILD’S PLAY movies, I was about the same age as Andy. Chucky terrified me and he’s a horror icon that is more relateable for a child.

        • Michael and Jason being blank slates don’t scare me. Killers with personality make them more real and therefore scarier in my mind. I prefer the take that Rob Zombie had on Michael Myers (not the movie mind you) because he could exist.

          • FREAKING LOVE NEW NIGHTMARE. Honestly the very 1st horror movie I ever viewed. After a while got tired of it didn’t care for it, but watching it again as a adult it was GREAT.
            Around this time in the 90’s alot of the horror franchises were having anniversaries of their original films. H20, New Nightmare, and even Bride of Chucky (to an extent) were paying tribute to what got them started. Sorry Josh, I like Michael but New Nightmare destroys H20 for me.
            Granted, yes, Freddy did become more of a clown as the NoES franchise went on. (cough Freddys Dead cough) but Michael became slapstick to me. He gets so easily beat up all I can think of is the Benny Hill music.
            Freddy is my absolute favorite slasher, I own a sweater, mask, hat, even a METAL glove. Also the Never Sleep Again nightmare anthology was waaaay better than the one for Halloween, even better than His Name was Jason.
            As far as Chucky, same fate. He became known for his one liners instead of being scary, that being said though I absolutely love Childs Play 1-3
            Now don’t flip out on me Josh lol, I am a big fan of Michael Myers I own every Halloween movie on Blu Ray (except 3, nothing against it I just can’t find it on Blu Ray), but I am a Fred Head 😀 😀 😀

          • Even though I love both killers, I’d say if one became slapstick, it was Freddy, not Michael. Part of the appeal of those NIGHTMARE sequels is that they were cartoony and over the top. Whether the movie was good or bad, Michael was at least always treated as a serious threat.

          • I don’t mean the way he acted, just the way he was treated for the viewers to see. Yes Freddy and Chucky definitely became clowns towards the end. Im referring to the way Coolio beat up on him in Resurrection, and the way Laurie beat him up in H20. He’s a threat to the characters but much like Jason, we as a whole don’t worry for the victims as much as we root for the killers. Jason thought does give us a chance to say “awesome! you see that kill??”.
            Honestly if Laurie would’ve been killed earlier I wouldn’t have minded it. I may catch some heat for this but, nothing ups the stakes like seeing someone important die.
            That’s why I like Nightmare so much.SPOILER ALERT!! If Nancy can be killed, anyone could. I was really hoping Chucky would eventually get Andy, and (get ready to throw things at me) in my mind Dewey died in Scream 2. I try to ignore the fact that he is in Scream 3 and 4. His death scene was so heart breaking and perfect, i wish that would’ve been it. Wow I’m off topic but you get my point lol

          • All of these icons spend time getting beat up though. Ghostface spends half of his screen time getting knocked down, Jason got absolutely murdered by a little kid, Freddy gets beat up here and there, ect. Even though the scene with Busta Rhymes is truly awful, it doesn’t feel any different from any other slasher with the killer taking some shots.

            As for HALLOWEEN H20, it made perfect sense for Laurie to get in a lot of shots against Michael. In the first two films, it’s all about her being weak and needed to be saved multiple times by Dr. Loomis. All she could do on her own were little things to delay Michael (IE. clothes hanger). In H20, it’s been twenty years where she’s been haunted by her past experiences. She’s no longer going to be a victim. It’s time for her to step up and stop being scared by going on the offense. It doesn’t make Michael look bad at all when Laurie is using her smarts to get the best of her, especially when she shows that she’s learned from her past mistakes (IE. closet fake out).

          • I’m just referring to her death in Resurrection. I always thought it’d been great for her to go outwhile taking Michael with her at the end of H20. As for Ghost Face getting beaten up all the time I expect that cuz he/she is human, man that would suck if they never got the crap beat out of em lol

          • Fritz, I could never be mad about what someone else likes. I do get mad about what they don’t like, occasionally. Haha.

            I’m three movies into my Elm Street re-rewatches for our upcoming franchise review and I have been surprised in both good and bad ways by every film. I think they will make for more interesting discussions than I would have imagined and the re-watch has been much more fun than Id have thought, overall.

          • 3 movies in??? That means you’ve seen Freddy’s Revenge now…I’m sorry to hear that. lol I almost always skip it and go straight to part 3 after watching part 1. There’s one scene in the movie where they decided they didn’t need Robert Englund and that they would just use another actor in a Freddy mask. Thankfully they came to their senses and said “no a mask won’t do, he has to ACT like Freddy, call Robert back.” Next time you watch it see if you can spot it. I’ll give you a hint, it’s when the coach is in the shower. Painfully obvious that it’s not Robert

  2. I actually used to work at the funeral home that you mentioned the body being taken from inTexas. Having had worked there, I still can’t figure out how the guy was able to do it. The authorities have pretty much said it was a guy that was obsessed with her.

  3. Hey guys, thanks for taking the time to explore “Dewey’s pizza” scene. Even though no definitive answer was found, I truly appreciate your time and effort…not to mention I scored some cool points from my fiancée by being mentioned on the podcast that I drive her crazy listening to all the time!! Thanks again and keep up the great work! And the link was pretty funny.

    • You’re too kind, Ashley. Yeah, I thought Wolfman Josh was going to get us into trouble with that Dewey’s Pizza video, but I’m glad you liked it. Made me laugh, too.

      By the way, I’m still not giving up on finding a definitive, “official” answer, though. Someday we’ll be able to track down someone who worked on the film, and then I hope we can know once and for all…
      JOTD

  4. Excellent episode (once again)! Scream 2 was a pretty darn good sequel, with the exception of one thing: the death of Randy. I see where it was necessary to kill Randy off, but that doesn’t make it any less crappy. I still hate watching that scene to this day. And I agree with Sal – if they wanted Randy to be in Scream 3, they should have kept him around. He had survivability (he knew the rules!) and would have been a great asset to Scream 3, but hey. It is what it is. I also agree that I don’t care for what they did with Sidney’s mom’s backstory. I think the history from the original Scream was more than enough and I don’t care for the fact that it’s revealed that Sid has a half brother. I say these things to also say that it doesn’t affect my love for the franchise. I’ve seen these movies so many times that I can probably quote them. I actually haven’t seen Scream 4, so I’ll have to check it out before next week’s episode.

    My top 5 horror picks from the 90’s:
    5. From Dusk ‘Til Dawn
    4. Candyman
    3. The Blair Witch Project
    2. Halloween H20
    1. Scream

    • Great list, Allison.

      It’s funny how many people revere the first three films that don’t care for–or haven’t even see–the fourth.

      I’d love to hear some fans of Scream 4 come out of the Woodsboro woodwork, if there are any …

        • I do enjoy Scre4m , it’s the only Scream movie Ive been able to see in the theater. My favorite thing about it was how the 1st movie took all the tropes of Slashers movies that were very cliched by that point, and the 4th movie did the same for all the remakes. Very clever. That being said there are more moments in Scre4m that make me cringe more than any of the others in the original trilogy

      • While I don’t dislike CANDYMAN, I do find it to be a bit dull and gets mentioned by horror fans too much. Tony Todd is great though and considering the quality of those three films, it’s surprising just how well known the CANDYMAN killer is.

        I am shocked that we haven’t seen a CANDYMAN remake yet.

      • Candyman is the manifestation of the Bloody Mary urban mythology with some of Clive Barker’s sense of making the monster quite a bit sensual. I love Candyman- personally. Everything from the hook hand to the bee swarm just freaks me out a little bit, all leading up to the immolation. It’s just such a twisted movie.

  5. Here’s my top 10…I couldn’t leave it at 5…
    10. Demon Knight
    9. The People Under the Stairs
    8. In the Mouth of Madness
    7. Cemetary Man
    6. Dead Alive
    5. Bram Stoker’s Dracula
    4. Night of the Living Dead (remake)
    3. Scream
    2. Army of Darkness
    1. From Dusk Till Dawn

    • Shannon, interesting list, as always. I love that you included IN THE MOUTH OF MADNESS. I haven’t put my list together yet, but it will probably be on there.

    • Love seeing some love for Bram Stoker’s Dracula and the Night of the Living Dead remake. I finally just bought Cemetery Man for a first viewing after seeing it discussed so much on the boards here and at Movie Stream Cast.

      • I can’t wait to hear your thoughts on that movie, Josh. It’s a visual feast in some regards and an extremely interesting addition to the genre but it’s one that I just can’t make up my mind about. Tonally it felt very hard to pin down; maybe my perception is all askew but I recall it seeming like a weird mongrel of euro-trash horror, super dark comedy and existential art-house. I just couldn’t quite get a firm grip on what I was supposed to be taking away from it. Maybe I need to give it a few rewatches. Fascinating stuff though.

  6. Your discussion toward the end of the episode about which franchise to explore after NIGHTMARE plus JOTD’s mention of The Descent films got me thinking about horror properties we would like to see turned into a film franchise. For the sake of argument, I’m defining a film franchise as a series of four or more related movies (three movies would just be a trilogy, as we learned in SCREAM 3), and a horror property can be anything from a movie or two (or three), any work of literature, true story, TV show, etc.

    I have a few “on the surface” thoughts, but wanted to throw the question out to the community. I’m sure David and others will have interesting thoughts on the topic.

    • I’d like to see someone really good merge The Thing (1982) with the prequel/remake and continue what they had going there.

      I’d like to see 28 months and years later.

      I don’t remember the very end of Zombieland, but that seems perfect for a long-running franchise. That cast is too famous to accomplish that, though.

      Give me more It Follows anytime.

      The world of The Mist seems worth exploring further.

      Those are just off the top of my head.

    • I think “It Follows” could work well as a franchise. After watching it my husband and I talked about how we would love to see a story where the origin of the pursuing entity is investigated. It seemed like humanity’s collective sexual dark side gave birth to some sort of murderous Tulpa.

    • Personally, I’d rather not see a sequel to IT FOLLOWS. It seems as if every time there’s an awesome new horror, it gets turned into a series until it’s watered down enough that the original movie doesn’t receive enough credit anymore. SAW and PARANORMAL ACTIVITY are examples of that. Let it remain this awesome little individual movie.

      Even though I wasn’t a fan of JEEPERS CREEPERS 2, I’m totally down with seeing more sequels with the Creeper.

      I agree with Shannon about seeing some sequels to BUBBA HO-TEP.

      I’ll sell my first born for the release of 28 MONTHS LATER.

      2014’s ANIMAL could make for a fun beastly freaks series.

      I don’t care if the movies could be awful, but I would totally pay for a ticket to see every KILLER KLOWNS FROM OUTER SPACE sequel.

      Even though this is already a horror series, we need some GINGERDEAD MAN sequels that actually star Gary Busey in the iconic lead role.

      • Agreed, I loved Jeepers Creepers. As far as part 2 it was ok, but I would love to finally see Cathedral: Jeepers Creepers 3 in theaters. Even straight to video wouldn’t be bad if they did it right.I thought Curse of Chucky was better than Bride and Seed combined

    • Okay, I’m going to go a little weird on these ideas-

      I’m not sure if you only want movie suggestions, but I’d like to see a film adaptation of Brian Keene’s Earth Worm Gods series. I’d also like to see a new adaptation of Clive Barker’s “Cabal” (Nightbreed), Joe Lansdales’ “God of the Razor, and, of course, Richard Laymon’s “Beast” series. Maybe a couple more adventures from the duo in John Dies at the End and This Book is Full of Spiders.

      But if we’re just sticking to current films: I’d like to see some more Leslie Vernon, maybe some more “Hills Run Red”, another “Re-Animator” movie, and… while I’m throwing up hope out there and though it’s not horror related in any way, shape, or form… another Buckaroo Banzai film.

  7. It was great to hear Mattriod and STATION on the show, and this has definitely been a fun episode! I saw Scream 2 in the theater while on a date with my high school boyfriend (who shared my love of horror movies) and after the opening kills in the movie theater scene, he leaned over to tell me he had to pee but that there was no way he was going to get up and leave to use the theater restroom. Also, when Laurie Metcalf first came on screen, everyone in yelled out “Jackie!”, so when she ended up being the killer it kind of made the ending seem silly.

    I have mentioned this before, but will bring it up again, that the opening sequence in “Scream 2” strongly mirrors the opening of a movie called “He Knows You’re Alone” from 1980 (which is the slasher with Tom Hanks in it). Knowing how the Scream franchise is hallmarked by nodding to other horror movies I can’t imagine that the opening of “Scream 2” wasn’t a play on this early 80’s slasher. I am wondering what other people think. I am tacking on a youtube link for anyone who wants to check out “He Knows You’re Alone”. It is one of many “Halloween” ripoffs and even steals from the “Halloween” theme music, but it’s not too bad, and it’s worth checking out the opening for comparison.

    • This is going straight into the franchise overview. Thanks, Allyson! And thanks for grabbing the link.

      Love your theater experience story too. Both the “Jackie!” and the being scared to pee stories are classic.

  8. I also wanted to cast a vote for other franchise coverage by saying I would love to hear the Psycho films covered and Tremors would be a lot of fun.

    I had a hard time ranking some 90’s horror favorites but I was able to come up with several movies I really enjoy watching repeatedly and my number one spot goes to a movie that creeped me out for a long time after I saw it.

    1. Ringu 1998
    2. Jacob’s Ladder 1990
    3. In the Mouth of Madness 1994
    4. The Blair Witch Project 1999
    5. Event Horizon 1997

    I have a few honorable mentions, two of which are considered thrillers rather than horror, but they gave me nightmares in my adolescence.

    The Silence of the Lambs 1991
    Seven 1995
    Popcorn 1990 (even though it has a very 80’s feel to it)
    Scream 1996

  9. Hey there guys. Sorry I’ve been little more than an eerily distant apparition of late. My mind’s been all over the place. It’s great to see that the community here is thriving so splendidly though!

    I kind of missed the boat on the last episode with regards to the comments but I thought I’d throw out one thing that stuck in my mind and has been turning over in there like entrails on a drive shaft. Whatever the heck that means.

    So I was singled out in the last episode a little as both a detractor of “Scream” and a proponent of “Popcorn” as a slightly neglected touchstone. First I’d like to point out that “Scream” has risen in my estimation to a solid 7ish/10. Maybe even a 7.5. I’ve already noted my struggles with the obnoxious characters but I’ve found that I’m able to see past that element and the more I’ve thought about my other issues with the film the more I’ve realised that they have less to do with the article itself and more to do with it’s venerated place in horror-culture. At one point in the last episode Jay asked a question along the lines of “why wasn’t it done before, why was Scream the first movie to take a post modern approach to the genre?” and I think that kind of sums up a big part of what annoyed me about this franchise. Josh rightly pointed out that films like “Popcorn” and “New Nightmare” HAD done it before but still I can’t help but feel that “Scream” gets put up on a pedestal by a great many folks as some kind of totally ground-breaking concept. So I don’t think that “Scream” itself has bugged me in the past as much as the subsequent dismissal of other less polished films in the genre that attempted a similar thing. That said, “Scream” is, in my opinion, a superior film to the likes of “Popcorn” and “New Nightmare”. But what about something like “Return of the Living Dead”? How is that not utterly post modern with it’s acknowledgement of “Night of the Living Dead” and it’s winking twist on that premise? It’s also coincidentally another horror-comedy that works extremely well because the characters, cartoonish as they are, aren’t in on the joke. They’re as terrified as they should be and the threat seems genuine and daunting. But back to “Scream”; I guess it’s the hyperbolic praise that I react most negatively too as opposed to the film itself. The incredibly jaded cynic in me can’t help but wonder about how much the polished, accessible nature of the film affords it a little more clout with critics (especially those oh so jaded and cynical critics of the 90’s ) than a more gritty, low budget offering of the same ilk might have garnered.

    Ultimately though these issues are at best peripheral to the film itself and I will try harder to judge it on it’s own merits rather than my petty aversion to the merits awarded to it by others.

      • I hope I’m not coming across as super negative (at least no more than usual), but you guys did an excellent job of discussing the positive elements of the film and I don’t think there’s much I could add to that angle that hasn’t already been said. In truth I’ve come to like most of it. Aside from the abrasive character elements and the fact that it’s a little too polished for my usual taste in Slashers it’s hard to fault. The elements of suspense, the pacing, the mystery and the action are all executed near perfectly. And there’s no way I can deny that the opening scene is one of the most memorable and effective in horror movie history. And yes, my 7ish/10 rating is based on a re-watch. I think I’m happy to go with a solid 7.5 actually. It’s definitely a very interesting entry in the genre; as much as I question the unmitigated veneration of it’s absolute originality I can’t deny that it feels very much like an entirely different beast, atmospherically especially, to the genre films that came before it.

        • We had a brief discussion over this sometime ago, my friend and I’m sorry if I end up repeating myself and/or sounding like I’m attacking you. You know I just like a good ol’ debate. First, let me say that I really appreciate your willingness to revisit something you despised in order to bring new life to it by approaching it with a different mindset (and an older and wiser mind). That shows a lot of open-mindedness on your part. Still, it seems to me that your problems with SCREAM are rather superficial and some aren’t even the film’s fault at all.

          The fact that there were films that approached horror with a sense of self-awareness prior to SCREAM shouldn’t detract from what that film did for horror in the ’90s. It’s not always about who does it first. Sometimes, it’s about who does it best. It sucks that the films you mentioned don’t get the same credit as SCREAM did, but let’s face it, they didn’t change the game, SCREAM did. Look at all the countless imitators came after SCREAM. Now count how many imitators POPCORN or NEW NIGHTMARE had.

          About the polished look of the movie. SCREAM came out in 1996. It’s already an old classic by time’s standards. I don’t know about you, but the movie doesn’t have the same clean, polished look it once did. It looks old by today’s standards, and I don’t mean that in a bad way. On the contrary, I think it adds to the atmosphere. If you think about it, SCREAM is now one of the classic horror movies that at the time it referenced (and wanted to be). How cool is that? But even if a movie is polished and accessible, why should that be a detractor of quality? In my mind, SCREAM did an excellent job of being accessible without sacrificing quality or betraying its roots. The movie’s look also made perfect sense at the time. There’s just no reason that I can think of for SCREAM to have grit.

          One last thing totally unrelated to SCREAM, but I just wanted to say that RETURN OF THE LIVING DEAD is awesome and it’s actually in my top 25 horror movies of all time. So, I’m with you 100% on that one. Also, you’ve been missed around the boards. I feel like my vocabulary has been lacking lately and there’s only one way to remedy that: more David.

          **Ha! I just read the last part of your original comment: “Ultimately though these issues are at best peripheral to the film itself and I will try harder to judge it on it’s own merits rather than my petty aversion to the merits awarded to it by others.” which somehow I missed and now I feel like an ass. But I’d written all of that and didn’t want to just delete it, so apologies for beating on a dead horse *cue in dead-horse-beating sounds*

          • Juan, with regard to the polished look of “Scream” being an issue it really just comes down to personal preference. It does still look polished to me even now but as Redcapjack pointed out, it’s not just the footage quality but also the environment and actors and stuff. I just prefer my slashers to be grotty, grainy and sleazy looking whereas “Scream” is all posh neighbourhoods and good looking rich kids. It’s just not a world that I find as interesting or atmospheric. Those elements do work well in stark contrast to the violence, and can also be read as part of a critique of the apathy and entitlement of the spoiled brats of the 90’s but aesthetically it just doesn’t capture my imagination like the worlds presented in some of my favourite slashers. It’s certainly isn’t a huge problem though. In a way it’s part of what sets “Scream” apart from the films that the sub-genre offered preceding it.

        • Like your take on the film and enjoyed reading the comments- the film doesn’t work for me as much as it has some others though I also gave it a recent rewatch and found myself enjoying it more now. I wouldn’t bring it up that much further in my own scales, though- it was a decent popcorn muncher and I really don’t feel compelled to add it to my collection. And while my reasons for disliking the film are maybe a little different, I do get what you’re saying about the polished and almost too clean look of the film- not just the stock, but the kids out of “90210” casting, the music, and the cameo appearances. It’s not the basis upon which I rate my film experience, but that elephant is definitely somewhere in the room.

  10. The “Karl and Andy” intro to this episode is amazing.

    And with regards to the competition; I think i’ll extricate myself as I know there’s a whole bunch of bigger “Scream” fans out there than myself who would no doubt appreciate a “Stab” T-shirt way more but I did go ahead and come with a 90’s top 5 anyway. And I feel liek you guys are kind of overly harsh on the 90’s so I’m also adding a list of other horror flicks from the decade that might not all be great but are at least worth checking out for most horror fans:

    90’s top 5:

    1. The Sixth Sense
    2. Silence of the Lambs
    3. Misery
    4. Event Horizon
    5. It

    Other 90’s horror movies that are worth checking out:

    Ringu
    Stir of Echoes
    Se7en
    In the Mouth of Madness
    Castle Freak
    Jacobs Ladder
    Hiruko the Goblin
    The Blair Witch Project
    Candyman
    From Dusk ‘till Dawn
    Don’t look up
    Cure
    Thinner
    The Night Flier
    Return of the Living Dead III
    Cemetery Man
    Dead Alive
    House on Haunted Hill

    I know a lot of folks (mainly named Jay) will baulk at some of these films and their sanctified place in the Horror Genre but I firmly maintain that flicks like “The Sixth Sense” and “Stir of Echoes” are more pure to the genre’s roots than the majority of slasher/survival fare. And I think if films as gory and/or disturbing as “Silence of the Lambs”, “Misery” and “Se7en” would have been released a decade or two earlier then they would be regarded as classics of the genre. I can’t help but feel that many of the pretentious critics of the 90’s just couldn’t bring themselves to praise anything as lowly as horror so went ahead and classed some of the genre’s very best offerings as “thrillers” simply to justify their own high appraisals of the films. These are some of the movies that have horrified me the most ever.

    And stuff like “Thinner” “The Night Flier” and the “House on Haunted Hill” remake definitely aren’t brilliant but I do feel that they’re underrated for what they are.

    • I love “Stir of Echoes” and had completely forgotten about that. Also I agree with your theory on the labeling of many 90’s greats as thrillers rather than horror. How is a movie about a cannibal and a serial killer making a suit out of women not a horror movie??? I guess you can’t give multiple Oscars to a horror movie.

      • Exactly! I mean there’s a scene where Lecter escapes by wearing a face that he cut off someone else. That’s some Leatherface shtick right there. And I don’t buy any of those “but it’s too much of a procedural” arguments. If a horror movie can have survival or comedy or mystery or sci-fi elements then I don’t see why we can’t have Horror-Procedural as a valid sub-genre. It’s just somewhat sophisticated horror and I have a feeling a lot of stuffy mainstream critics just don’t want to admit that such a thing is possible.

        • It’s not just stuffy mainstream critics, though. It’s also so-called horror “purists” like Jay of the Dead and BillChete. And I don’t want to speak for them, but I bet Dave would hem and haw a bit at that title and I bet Kyle would call it “terror” … I may be wrong about Dave.

          • That’s very true, Josh but I suspect the “purists” are just conditioned to accept these movies as “thrillers” now and thus reluctant to allow them to taint their beloved genre by association. It’s a vicious circle: The stuffy critics like it but won’t deign to call it horror and so the purists are suspicious of it and reject it and so the stuffy critics position is validated and they feel more secure in their praise and refusal to acknowledge the blatant horror elements and so the purists position is then validated and their rejection is solidified.

            And maybe “Kyle” would call some of those movies “terror” but to me that’s still an obvious extension of the horror genre as a blanket term. I know it’s an academic delineation but it’s not like we have separate sections for “horror” and “terror” at the video store. And I believe that what is considered “terror” might actually be closer to the roots of the genre than the modern perception of “horror” if you’re willing to follow my usual spiel of the horror genre being rooted in the ghost story. I’m likely utterly wrong on that though.

          • I actually don’t have a problem calling SILENCE OF THE LAMBS a horror film. I agree that a movie about Serial Killers is itself pretty horrifying, especially how its handled in this movie, and the scene with Lecter and the cops at the end certainly qualifies as a “horror scene”.

            And what David says is true: dismissing it as horror because of its procedural elements is pretty silly. (oddly enough, a 1999 film titled RESURRECTION, directed by Russell Mulcahy, features lots of police work and a serial killer, and I know for a fact some of those who don’t consider SOTL a horror film have no problem accepting RESURRECTION as one).

          • Yes! I knew I could rely on you to talk sense, Doc. And to me “Resurrection” feels very much like a “Se7en” copycat. But it’s nowhere near as well made and, as far as I know, didn’t receive much in the way of critical acclaim so I guess it’s okay to call it a horror movie or something.

            Also in my above post I’m not sure why I felt the need to put quotation marks around Kyle’s name. That was totally unintentional and I wasn’t sarcastically suggesting that “Kyle” isn’t Dr Walking Dead’s real name.

    • Great list, David. I’m with you and Allyson on Stir of Echos. I own it and watch it every couple of years.

      Love Misery, The Blair Witch Project, Ringu and Event Horizon. About in that order.

      Jacob’s Ladder is a fascinating film. I could definitely see Castle Freak, Dead Alive, From Dusk ‘till Dawn and The Night Flier making my honorable mentions for me if I’d have thought of them. Some of them more guilty pleasures.

      Can’t go with you on Candyman, House on Haunted Hill, Return of the Living Dead III, Se7en or Thinner.

      I’m embarrassed to say that I only recently started catching up on so many of you Japanese horror recommendations while traveling and they’ve all blended together to the point that I can’t remember which I’ve seen. Will have to go back to those again.

      Looking forward to watching Cemetery Man.

      And, as I’ve said before, In the Mouth of Madness will eventually be my final Wolfman’s Got Nards review. Hopefully, with Mattroid as a guest as he is the one responsible for my fear of that film.

      • I think that is a problem with some of the more modern Japanese horror movies. They do have a tendency towards genericness and subsequently blend together somewhat. That’s why I mostly prefer the stuff that came out of there in the 50’s and 60’s. It’s way more theatrical and flamboyant but ultimately much more memorable. A lot of the modern Japanese stuff is good if you’re after spooky and effective ghost shenanigans but not so much if you want distinctiveness and originality. There’s actually a bunch more in the admittedly forgettable vein of “Don’t Look Up” (and even more when it comes to made-for-TV J-horror anthologies) that I could have added to this list but it would have just seemed superfluous. “Cure” is a bit different though, more of an enigmatic psychological thriller. And “Hiruko the Goblin” is much more in a slap-sticky “Evil Dead 2” sort of vein.

      • Interesting observation, Josh: other than JU-ON and 2002’s THE EYE, the Asian horror films I’ve seen do sorta run together.

        And I’m a BIG fan of CEMETERY MAN (Quick note: Martin Scorsese called CEMETERY MAN one of the best Italian films of the 1990’s). Enjoy it!

  11. I agree that the 90’s horror movies get a bad rap…The quality over quantity is ok by me…There were many movies I loved that I didn’t put in my top 10 that David mentioned like…It, Seven, Misery, Silence of the Lambs and Jacob’s Ladder…Other Honorable mentions…Cube…Hardware…The Dark Half…Night Breed…

    • Oh man I totally forgot about “Cube”! That’s such an interesting little horror film. And “Nightbreed” is kind of amazing in it’s own broken way but it’s just sad that it was so screwed up by moronic studio executives. Hasn’t there been a directors cut released recently though? I’m curious as to how that might improve the film.

      • I’ve got the Director’s Cut of Night Breed, but haven’t watched it yet. Will be dropping a review on a Frankenstein episode when I do.

        Not a fan of Cube AT ALL. I can see why it is admired, but it just such an unpleasant viewing experience. Fits right in with everything I hate about ’90s horror.

        Still haven’t seen The Dark Half or Hardware.

        • I definitely wasn’t the biggest fan of “Cube” until I came into my “the 90’s is long ago enough to be nostalgic about now” phase. But having gotten past the cynicism I now find the mystery of it and the strange simplicity of it kind of alluring. It has that weird fantastical bleakness of a Thomas Ligotti story or maybe even Kafka at his most bizarre. And I feel that it doesn’t get the recognition it deserves as a prelude to the “Saw” phase of horror.

          That said I definitely understand it not being a pleasant viewing experience. Not something I’d actively put on more than two or three times per lifetime.

          Have you seen the non-directors cut version of “Nightbreed” before, Josh?

          • I’m a fan of CUBE, but for the love of everything holy, I can’t remember how it ended. Perhaps it’s time for a re-watch.

          • David, is Nightbreed worth a watch? I’ve never seen it and I have it queued on Netflix, but somehow I haven’t been able to press play. Any comparisons that might convince me to just press the damn button?

          • I’d say that “Nightbreed” is definitely worth a watch but keep in mind that the film in it’s regular cut was severely compromised by studio interference leading it to feel weirdly paced, tonally dissonant and somewhat directionless. The newly released directors cut ostensibly fixes the problems but I’ve yet to see it so can’t really comment on that. I honestly don’t know if it might be best for you to wait and check out that version first.

            As for comparisons it’s kind of hard to pin down. “Hellraiser” is an obvious one as it’s based on source material by Clive Barker, but if I recall correctly, it’s a bit more theatrical and ostentatious than it’s more famous cousin. I feel like there’s an almost Charles Burns-esque surreality to it as well but maybe that’s just because of the parallel between the deformed plague victims of “Black hole” and the strange monsters of “Nightbreed”.

            And it has David Cronenberg playing a psychopath.

          • Oh man! I’m actually not a fan of Hellraiser. I love the aesthetics but I hate the movie. I just don’t get why it’s regarded so highly. I mean it’s kind of fun, I guess. Still, I’ll give Nightbreed a chance since it’s on Netflix. Thanks guys.

  12. I know you guys feel obligated to cover the Nightmare series and its a no brainer because its one of the 3 top franchises of all time…but I’d like the see the Romero Dead series or the Texas Chainsaw series…I do like the idea of Psycho because I love the original and I can’t remember anything about the sequels I may have watched so it would give me a reason to watch them…and of course Tremors would be great fun…

  13. I keep thinking about this…I’m approaching 46 years old.. I’m older than the hosts…and way older than most the listeners here…I just wanted to say it does my heart proud that there are so many young people that love horror movies as much as I do…As I’m a life long horror fan…I saw everything as it happened…Most of you had to search these things out…and the love and knowlege these movies recieve from the younger fans asssures me…that no matter how old I get…Evil never dies!!!

    • “Evil never dies!!!” Must be talking about Juan.

      Being closer the median age of our audience and hosts, I share you sentiment, Shannon and I am iften impressed and surprised by the passion and insights by even our youngest listeners.

      I would also say that this community has taught me that horror fans can be (mostly) normal people. Good people. Kind people. Smart people. And from every walk of life.

      And don’t worry. No matter how old you feel, you’ll always be younger than Karl.

      • LOL! What?! I’m not sure I get the reference. Hey I’m not that young. Even though I wasn’t alive when my favorite horror movie came out (Alien), I started watching horror at a very early age.

        • I’m 25 and have been a horror fan since I was very young. I remember when Burger King had Universal Studios Monsters toys and was soooo eager to get a Burger King Kids Club Meal. I got the Wolfman lol.

  14. Since it was brought up, I’d love to hear a franchise review of PSYCHO. Not only is PSYCHO 2 one of the most underrated horror sequels, but the rest of the series is top notch too. PSYCHO 3 is a bit weak compared to the other movies, but PSYCHO 4 was great in terms of being a TV movie. Besides the remake and TV series to discuss, there’s also 1987’s BATES MOTEL. It’s…unique.

    If the movie wasn’t already talked about so often, I would have liked to hear a franchise review of the TEXAS CHAINSAW MASSACRE movies.

    PHANTASM review would be great. PHANTASM 2 and 3 are underrated horror sequels, although I don’t remember having fond memories of PHANTASM 4.

    I’d need to double check to see if you guys reviewed any of these movies (I feel like you may have reviewed SON OF in a solo review), but one of my favorite horror series is the FRANKENSTEIN series with the original, BRIDE OF, SON OF, GHOST OF, FRANKENSTEIN VS. THE WOLF MAN, HOUSE OF FRANKENSTEIN, and HOUSE OF DRACULA. People tend to praise the first two a ton, but I saw the first four as all being great, the last two being good enough and only FRANK VS WOLF being lame. I’m fairly sure it stands out in horror history as being having the first horror sequel and it also became the first ever horror franchise. If you guys aren’t into reviewing all of the FRANKENSTEIN movies, I’d be nice hearing reviews for the main Universal Monster movies as found in that awesome Blu-Ray set.

    Lastly, I suggest reviewing the CHILD’S PLAY series, but that might just be because it’ll be fun hearing Wolfman Josh be so miserable talking about that fantastic series. Ha.

    • Sal, I’m so glad to find someone else who appreciates Psycho IV. I love having Norman’s backstory and knowing what drove him to do what he did. I’ve been watching II, III and IV since I was a kid and I have a great love for this series. Very excited about discussing this franchise!

      • I can probably skip the parts set in the present with Norman speaking to the radio show (Not bad, but my focus is on the flashbacks), but I loved all of the flashbacks. It was all unsettling particularly how close Norman and his mother were. At the same time, showing all of these backstories didn’t hurt the Norman character or the effectiveness of PSYCHO unlike for other horror franchises where revealing the motives/backstories hurt the movies.

        Do you think the sequels would get more attention if they weren’t following one of the best movies of all time?

        • Unfortunately I think that is the case. It wasn’t badly received but I’m not sure if the interest was still there after 23 years. It didn’t live up to what the original did, but I’m not sure why people expected it to. Just like with Halloween, I don’t think there was ever supposed to be a sequel. Hitchcock told his story and that was it. It wasn’t Hitchcock at the helm but I feel like this was a really solid sequel. I enjoyed the characters and, unlike many slashers, I feel like this film really makes you feel for the “monster” and I find myself rooting for Norman. Psycho III is also pretty solid, but I can’t say that I enjoy it as much as Psycho II. Just my thoughts, and can’t wait to get deeper into these topics.

          • The long time span between the first and second PSYCHO didn’t do them any favors. This is particularly true due to the fact that PSYCHO 2 came out in 1983, right at the heart of when slashers ruled. Even though the sequels had slasher elements, they couldn’t hold up to the typical teen slashers of the 80’s. Had the sequels came out a few years earlier, it may have worked out better.

            PSYCHO 2 did make some good money though. If it wasn’t for some random space movie about hairy midgets, PSYCHO 2 would have opened up at #1.

            All of this talk is making me want to re-watch the PSYCHO sequels.

    • Yes, Frankenstein is hands-down my favorite horror franchise! I know it’s old but Frank’s Monster is even more recognizable than Freddy to this day. I know Fritz loves the old Universal stuff too. A Universal Classic Monster overview would also be good if you don’t want to devote too much time to Frankenstein.

      • I hadn’t seen PHANTASM II in years before randomly buying the wonderful Shout Factory Blu-Ray release back when it first came out. Much like I did when I bought PHANTASM III on DVD, I was blown away with how engrossed I was with the story. When I first watched the PHANTASM series through VHS rentals, they didn’t do much for me.

        Do you have any opinion on PHANTASM IV? I’m wondering now if my opinion would change if I watch it again through the eyes of an adult.

  15. Solid episode; love hearing Station! on HMP!

    Best line: “Why is this guy, in these pants, Sidney’s boyfriend?!”

    Top 5 90s horror:

    In the Mouth of Madness
    Cube
    Halloween: H20
    The Craft
    The Dark Half

    (1990 is basically 1980s; these don’t count as 90s to me)
    Misery
    Jacob’s Ladder
    Nightbreed

    (TV!)
    It
    Sometimes They Come Back

  16. I omitted Scream, but kind of intentionally. It’s my 2nd fav horror of the 90s but thought, since this is the Scream series podcast, I’d mention other movies.

    Cause I’m lame.

  17. “Nightmare..on MY STREET1” Haha good stuff.
    I remember by brother had the single cassette also. That song scared the crap out of me, especially when Will calls Jeff and Freddy intervenes! I used to get so scared of how Freddy was so ubiquitous in pop culture. He could invade rap songs, MTV, and appear in the card board cut out in “Critters 2.” It was like he could appear anywhere in our lives.

    For franchise reviews, you guys should definitely do “The Exorcis”t films, if only to get Exorcist part 3 in there. That is one that gets no love but is extremely terrifying and well done…I mean it has Brad Douriff playing a psycho in it. What could me better?

  18. top 5 90’s horror off the top of my head

    1. Army of Darkness
    2. Wes Craven’s New Nightmare
    3. Scream
    4. Tremors
    5. Final Destination

    • #6: Sleepy Hollow
      #7: Child’s Play 2
      #8: Urban Legend
      #9: Bram Stoker’s Dracula
      #10: Dead Alive

      Honorable mentions
      Return of the Living Dead III
      Leprechaun (can’t help it its fun to watch)
      The Brave Little Toaster (say what you want but this movie terrified me as a 5 year old lol)

      there’s one I cannot remember the title to. It was a made for TV movie, I wanna say TNT. About a huge swarm of cockroaches that take over this small town, they attack people and the queen lays her eggs inside them. Used to really freak me out but I can’t for the life of me remember what it was called. I wanna say “They Nest” but that was the one about all the rattle snakes I think. Anybody remember?

  19. I got an idea for a franchise review, I would say Child’s Play but I’m getting my wish of A Nightmare on Elm Street so I don’t want Josh to suffer too much lol. I say do the Universal Studios Monsters franchise
    Phantom of the Opera
    Dracula
    Frankenstein
    The Mummy
    The Invisible Man
    The Wolfman
    Creature from the Black Lagoon
    and maybe some of the sequels

    I know if I mentioned all of them it would sound like a lot but honestly the majority of these movies are like 70 minutes long.

    • I just commented about this above and then read your post, Fritz! There are some other great universal films besides the classic monsters as well. Like the Black Cat, Murders in Rue Morgue, Night Monster, the Inner Sanctum mysteries, and the Lon Chaney Sr. silent films. There even is a movie call BLACK FRIDAY that I watch on black friday but it has nothing to do with the shopping day. It’s also barely horror but has Karloff and Lugosi in it.

        • Of the movies that Karloff and Lugosi appeared in together, BLACK CAT is my absolute favorite. What a great movie!

          And I think a “Universal Horror – Off the Beaten Path” episode is a great idea, where we look at some of the “other” Universal films outside the Classic Monster series.

          Also, an episode dedicated to Lon Chaney, Sr. seems like a must. He is easily the best silent actor I’ve ever seen, and his contributions to early horror merit some attention.

          Great ideas, Mark and Fritz!

          • Black Cat is very dark and scary but my favorite Lugosi and Karloff movie is Son of Frankenstein. Which reminds me that Dewey’s limp in Scream 2 is reminiscent of Inspector Krogh’s fake arm in Son of Frankenstein. They are both officers who have been injured and handicapped by previous encounters with the killers. I wonder if that’s intentional.

      • Oh, and BLACK FRIDAY is a fun watch as well.

        Bit of trivia: the original working title for that movie was FRIDAY THE 13TH! It was actually released under that title in some other countries

  20. Nobody’s gonna mention Sarah Michelle Gellar’s part in Scream 2? Oh i had the worst crush on her in this movie when I was little

      • Sorry Mattroid, I’M the ultimate SMG fan. And just to prove it to you, the real reason behind my strange absence from all podcasts comment boards is that I’ve been revisiting episodes of Buffy and Angel at random. It’s so addictive. It’s been keeping me from finishing shows that I started like The Killing (sorry David) and True Detective (finally finished that one) and keeping me away from theaters ( haven’t seen anything new in the last month). And no, I don’t just play it in the background. I sit in front of the TV with my undivided attention on the lovely SMG. And she is lovely, Josh. Don’t you dare say otherwise!

        • We rewatch Buffy/Angel annually. Believe. Top 5 shows, both of em.

          We are huge fans; I have a Buffy tattoo of SMG and Station! does too…she’s all but married to SMG, if you ask me.

          • Haha I didn’t mean to discredit your fandom. I’m certain that you’re huge fans and for that, both you and STATION! are alright by me. I don’t have any tattoos of her, so you win this round, Mattroid, you win this round. Not to jump ahead of myself, but I’m super excited about your coverage of Buffy/Angel. I hadn’t re-visited either show in awhile and while searching endlessly for what to watch on Netflix, I came across some of my very favorite episodes of either show and watched… and cried. Damn I forgot how powerful some of those episodes are. Good times!

          • Am I the only one who haven’t watched a single episode of BUFFY? I did see the movie with Kristy Swanson many years ago though.

          • Sal, I never got in to Buffy really, I saw a few episodes but I just wanted to see SMG. I remember I was 11 or 12 when Scooby Doo the Movie came out, found out she was playing Daphne, and my butt was in a theater seat lol

          • I don’t know if you’re the only one, Sal, but you’re definitely missing out. I’d get on that right away. At least give it a try to see if it’s your thing.

          • There must be something wrong with me because I was always a Willow guy…I love that girl…I have the Dark Willow and Vampire Willow action figures…

        • by the way Mattroid, love your screen name/nickname.
          My daugher is 5 months old and when we were deciding on names I tried my best to convince my wife to go with Zelda, I knew she wouldn’t go for Samus lol

          • Nice. I love me some Zelda too.

            And you should all watch Buffy. NOW! Go!

            And it’s cool, Juan. I wasn’t trying to one-up you, even though that’s exactly what I did. I love that we’ve got a comrade in arms.

          • Oh yeah, what did you end up naming her?

            My son is named after Brodie from Mallrats and my other son after the best electric guitar company in the world. My daughter is named after a beautiful German cow.

          • We named her Chelsea Ann. I have a very good friend whose daughter is named Chelsea.I’ve always liked the name and also thought “if I ever have a daughter I hope she turns out to be as good a person as her”, I just said “chelsea ann” cuz it rolled off the tongue easy and my wife said ” oh i love that!” . Love where you got Brodie!! He doesn’t have a cousin named Walt does he? and I’m guessing your other son is named Gibson? just a thought 😉

          • It’s ok Sal…It’s the name…I’m pretty sure Willis Wheeler was coming onto me on Facebook shorty after I friended him!!!

          • My apologies. Personally, I’d blame Jay for not pronouncing your name manly enough. The first time I heard Jay say your name on a past episode of HMP, I automatically thought you were a chick.

            And hey, they don’t call him the Wildman just because it’s a catchy nickname.

          • Ha! I struggled with Shannon’s real identity for a while too, but from his writing tone I came to the conclusion that he had to be a guy.

  21. Top horror movies from the ’90s? As always, even with slim pickings—which in all honesty, I don’t know that the ’90s were that slim—, it’s a tough job to sift through and assign a raking.

    1. Jacob’s Ladder/ The Blair Witch Project
    2. Tremors
    3. Scream
    4. From Dusk ‘Till Dawn
    5. Sleepy Hollow/Gremlins 2

    Top 10 very honorable mentions that just missed the list (in order):

    1. Event Horizon
    2. Child’s Play 2/ It
    3. I Know What You Did Last Summer/Urban Legends
    4. Tales From the Darkside: The Movie
    5. Mimic
    6. The Frighteners
    7. Sleepwalkers
    8. Lake Placid
    9. Mosquito
    10. Demon Knight

    By the way, I recently re-visited Sleepy Hollow (part of the reason why it made my list) and I just noticed how dark and brutal it is (and not just for a Tim Burton movie). I was surprised at the amount of gore they showed and there was even a child’s decapitation (off-screen, but they showed enough). Anyway, LOVE that movie.

  22. 90’s Top 5
    1 Scream
    2 The Blair Witch
    3 The Ring
    4 Bram Stoker’s Dracula
    5 Sleepy Hollow
    Honorable Mentions; The Frighteners, Candyman, Leprechaun, Braindead
    New Nightmare, The Prophecy, From Dusk to Dawn, Scream 2, I Know What You Did Last Summer, The Faculty, The Mummy, Child’s Play 2

  23. @Fritz,

    Gibson is correct. Both Station! and I play Gibson guitars. Now we have a psycho Gibson running around the house, and our fender guitars live in fear.

    I like Chelsea Ann. Sounds both classic and modern trendy type; a difficult balance to pull off.

  24. My son’s name is Logan after Wolverine and my daughter is Trinity after The Matrix…I too love Buffy and Angel…I own both series but haven’t rewatched them since the first time…Would love to rewatch them but I’m so far behind on other shows I need to watch…Wish I could bend time to my needs…Mattroid…Did you watch Falling Skies? If so what are your thoughts on it…

    • LMBO I was literally just about to type that if my wife and I ever have a boy we’re naming him Logan after Wolverine. Of course she just likes that name, but my cousin named his oldest son Harrison Parker after Han Solo/Indiana Jones’ namesake, and Peter Parker. I knew I couldn’t go with Link, and I thought “man wolverine is awesome, why not Logan.” Logan Wade Barrier. Wade is my middle name but if anyone ever asks me I’ll say he’s named after the weapon x program, Wolverine and Deadpool 😀

      • Oh man, I love all of you. How awesome these names!

        I have two friends that named their boys Logan for the same reason. I really wanted to name my son Stockton, which I’ll push for the next…if you’re a Utah Jazz or NBA fan it makes sense.

        Shannon, I love that you are a Buffy / Angel fan. And I’m a Willow guy too. Although, after spending a bit of time with Charisma Carpenter last year I have to admit that I was pretty smitten.

        • Yes! Charisma Carpenter ftw! I love Willow and her evil Willow arch is totally awesome. She’s such a badass. After re-watching Angel these last few weeks though, I think Cordelia became a really strong character in Angel and I have to say that there’s times when I prefer her over even Buffy. Yikes!

          • Yeah, her Angel arc is stellar.

            Station! and I get press passes to SLC COMICON every time and we’ve been able to spend lots of time with some great celebrities, and by far among the best of them were Carpenter, James Marsters (what a stud), Alan Tudyk, Summer Glau, Fillion and Adam Baldwin.
            Two weeks from now I’ll let you know how Emma Caufield smells. :)

          • OMG! I’m absolutely heads over heels over her. She’s so gorgeous and her character in Buffy is so good. I’ve only ever seen Eliza Dushku from a few seats away at a panel. She has amazing hair. Like, ridiculously perfect. I couldn’t stop staring at it. She seemed pretty down to earth too. I have a man-crush on James Marsters. Spike is one of my all-time favorite characters. I’m so glad they did him justice and transferred him to Angel.

          • Met her too. She was weird. Really weird. And sickly looking. But we have met more than our fair share of awesome people, and thanks to the press passes we get a lot more time. Stay tuned for a “from COMICON” bonus ep of TSFP coming soon.

  25. After lurking here for over a year , I’m finally typing more than three sentences ! Awesome coverage as always! I’m 30 years old and this franchise has meant SO MUCH to me… After releasing a classic first entry, every other sequel is highly enjoyable, and while they never reach the same level of the first film, I don’t think there is an entry under a 7. Think about that when compared to every other franchise. I dunno, maybe it’s the nostalgia. In 1999 while on a date with my girlfriend we decided to go back to my place and watch my VHS copy of scream. She loved it and insisted we immediately watch more horror…. So we went to see the Blair Witch Project in theaters. I have to thank Wes Craven and Eduardo Sanchez for helping me lose my virginity that night (HA!) With that being said, my top 5 of the 90’s:
    5. From dusk till dawn
    4. Stir of Echos/Firein the sky (TERRIFYING)
    3. The Sixth Sense
    2. The Blair Witch Project
    1. Scream

    Honorable mentions: Wes Cravens New Nightmare, Bram Stokers Dracula, the Ninth gate, the faculty , I know what you did last summerHalloween H20(would be number 6)

    With nightmare being my least favorite of the big three franchises, I must admit…. I am so pumped to hear the coverage ! Kudos on the Psycho coverage idea, I think Psycho II is such an underrated sequel (I feel the same way about Elm street 2 as well…) and I a hellraiser overview sounds like it would be a lot of fun. Also the evil dead franchise (with that show coming soon)!. Thanks for another great episode guys!

  26. So, I thought about ’90s horror a lot today while sitting in the hospital. I’ve always said I kind of love ’90s horror, but it was in a nostalgic, sorta guilty pleasure kind of way. Well, the more I thought about it, the more I dialed down the “love” part, but also dialed back the “guilty pleasure” part.

    The decade was an interesting time for horror. There were several very high quality films during the decade that blended elements of many genres into a movie with a horror backbone. These movies ARE horror, but I still look at them differently than a “straight horror” film. The best of these “highbrow” horrors include:

    SILENCE OF THE LAMBS
    SEVEN
    BRAM STOKER’S DRACULA
    THE SIXTH SENSE
    INTERVIEW WITH THE VAMPIRE
    JACOB’S LADDER
    STIR OF ECHOES
    CAPE FEAR

    I also have to admit that there are quite a few key films from the decade on my list of shame. I was still relatively young in the ’90s, so wasn’t seeing these movies in the theater until closer to the end of the decade. Anyway, I plan on watching as many films from my list of shame as possible during my 31 Days of Halloween, and these films will be toward the top of my to do list:

    RINGU
    AUDITION
    CRONOS
    THE EXORCIST III
    SLEEPY HOLLOW
    MISERY
    CEMETARY MAN

    With that said, my top 10 ’90s horror movies are:

    1. SCREAM
    2. THE BLAIR WITCH PROJECT
    3. IN THE MOUTH OF MADNESS
    4. EVENT HORIZON
    5. CANDYMAN

    Others I considered:

    SCREAM 2 (this should probably be in my top 5)
    DARKMAN
    FALLEN
    TREMORS
    HALLOWEEN H20
    THE FACULTY
    I KNOW WHAT YOU DID LAST SUMMER
    ARMY OF DARKNESS
    DEAD ALIVE

    Basically, the more I thought about it the harder it was to narrow down a list. The ’90s wasn’t that bad…

    • I love your lists and commentary here, Dino. I think you’re spot-on and I feel chastised for all my years of ’90s hate. Although it is still lacking compared to the ’70s and ’80s for me, I can’t argue that I really enjoy a lot of ’90s films. Again, part of that was thinking of Tremors as an ’80s movie and thinking that Blair Witch, The Faculty, The Sixth Sense and H2O were past 2000. I lurv all of these movies with a passion.

      Fallen!!! I totally forgot about that movie. That was an extremely fun first-watch.

  27. Okay, so your last episode and encouraged me to go back and revisit the Scream franchise and I sat down to watch the first movie for the first time since roughly 1997 or so. And I have to admit, it wasn’t as bad as I originally remembered- the opening scene is downright brilliant. (Which, as a note for something mentioned in THIS episode- there WERE two victims in the opening of the first film. And I’m absolutely flabbergasted that the body count assertion went unchallenged in the episode.) The video store scene, Neve Campbell, and Deputy Dewey were all fantastic aspects of this film- but I largely went away with the same sour taste in my mouth that I remembered from the 90’s. And the whole thing lay in the fact that I did not feel any sympathy or compassion for a majority of the characters in the story. Their fates didn’t matter to me- life, death, or otherwise. I largely didn’t care and the “talking cute” writing that I do find enjoyable in most Tarantino films felt a little forced in this movie.

    With that said:

    I also went and watched the third film for the FIRST time, ever. I largely gave up on the franchise after the second film (and, to Jay’s point, the big “reveal” did pretty much spoil that whole movie for me. It didn’t come as a shock or a surprise- it was annoyingly cliché for me) so I never went to see the third film. I never rented it. Never came across it on television- I’ve managed to avoid spoilers for the film for years and decided, only based on listening to your podcast to sit and watch this film for the first time ever.

    And I was severely disappointed again.

    That’s not to say the film is “awful”, because it’s not- there are some good things in the movie. Dewey, Gale, and Parker Posey are very funny and entertaining- but not at all horrifying or even suspenseful. And this is where I do agree with Jay in the use of comedy to propel the horror- it doesn’t always work and it feels like a “Do more of this, less of this” sort of direction from the studio in order to make a film that will be more palatable for what they believe will be a “larger” audience. It hurts the film to take our heroine and have her be largely absent for the majority of the piece, only to have her ride in and save the day at the end. And the Red Herring scenes were unbelievably over the top- going so far as to literally have a sign pointing to a character that says “I KILLED HER!”- what? Really?

    Now, then there’s the big reveal at the end- I was swerved. Not by the identity, but by the number of the killers. But the identity and motive of at least one of the Killer(s) was not at all a mystery to me within the first few minutes of having introduced the character itself. Not one line of exposition near the end felt like a cheat because I knew exactly what was going to happen very early in the film- and while the big “reveal” spoiled the second movie for me, the “reveal” in this film was just part of the rote of clichéd tropes that the film had already fallen into before the films conclusion.

    OTHER FILM FRANCHISES:

    While you guys were discussing the possibility of other film franchises, let me just say how happy I was to hear Wolfman Josh mention “Phantasm” as a possibility- though I think I’d rather hear about it after the next film in the series is eventually released. That series is, absolutely, one of my favorites to go back and revisit over and over again. Hellraiser is a nice little franchise with that all important “signature” character, but Phantasm has always struck me as being far creepier and just so dang atmospheric. I love Don Coscarelli’s work and would love to hear other thoughts on the film.

    TOP FIVE HORROR OF THE 90’S:

    5. Army of Darkness / Nightbreed:

    A bit of tie here with a caveat- I don’t really think of AoD as much of a “scary” movie and is firmly set in the “horror-comedy” genre, with some really gory moments played for laughs rather than pure stark terror. I still consider that horror and it is a sequel to my favorite horror movie of all time. With that said, I do think Nightbreed is a far scarier film with a bit of sloppy direction and editing. But when we’re looking at the 90’s, there aren’t a lot of “cream of the crop” picks to choose from.

    4. Candyman:

    The second Clive Barker bit to make my list- and this movie is hardcore in everything it tries to do, pulling an urban legend to life and making him an incredibly horrifying presence- Tony Todd’s performance is downright chilling and his voice is like broken gravel thundering down a mountain. Terrific story, good direction, and a creepy setting- this is one of the rare treats from the 90’s.

    3. From Dusk Till Dawn:

    Loved this movie- it was grade z vampire fun and frivolity with a bunch of characters we really got to know and care about. The beauty about this movie is that it isn’t just a fish out of water movie, but it’s a fish flat out jumping the shark in an effective way that is downright awesome. If you didn’t know what you were in for, it threw you off your horse- if you went in with the expectation of what was to come, you were just biting your nails waiting for the big moment.

    2. In the Mouth of Madness:

    “Have you read Sutter Kane?” I’m a big fan of Lovecraftian Horror, and this movie does a lot to deliver that hopeless terror in the face of world-shaping damnation and madness.

    1. Dead Alive:

    Again, we’re going with “Favorite” horror films of the 90’s and this one is another horror-comedy that doesn’t really go for the jumps so much as inappropriate gross-out humor with gore. And it’s one of my all-time favorite films to watch with a group of people- especially people who don’t know what they’re in for. This is a film where horror and comedy actually work very well together and is surreal enough for me to enjoy myself. And, to be honest, I would love to hear thoughts from some of the hosts on this podcast- where does this fall on the “Horror/Comedy” side of things?

    Honorable mentions: Misery, Needful Things, Innocent Blood, Bram Stoker’s Dracula, Tremors, and Demon Knight.

  28. So, for those that are doing the 31 Days of Horror (or die trying), here is my list for this year. I thought about it and I decided that I only wanted to watch movies that I’d never seen before. This way I can catch up on my overall horror (many pics were on my list of shame) AND 2015’s horror. It’s a pretty eclectic mix, but overall I’m really satisfied with the final lineup. Funnily enough, I didn’t include any movies from my favorite horror era, the ’70s. I did it entirely unintentionally though. I wonder why…

    1. The Virgin Spring (1960)
    2. Jigoku (1960)
    3. The Innocents (1961)
    4. Matango: Attack of the Mushroom People (1963)
    5. Kwaidan (1964)
    6. Kuroneko (1968)
    7. Terror Train (1980)
    8. Altered States (1980)
    9. Cannibal Ferox (1981)
    10. The Forest (1982)
    11. Xtro (1983)
    12. The Company of Wolves (1984)
    13. Shocker (1989)
    14. Bloodmoon (1990)
    15. Ticks (1993)
    16. Brainscan (1994)
    17. Antibodies (2005)
    18. Turistas (2006)
    19. Taxidermia (2006)
    20. Murder Party (2007)
    21. Frontier(s) (2007)
    22. Inside (2007)
    23. Eden Lake (2008)
    24. Sound of My Voice (2011)
    25. Excision (2012)
    26. All Hallow’s Eve (2013)
    27. Wer (2013)
    28. Cub (2014)
    29. Let Us Prey (2014)
    30. Der Samurai (2014)
    31. Digging Up the Marrow (2015)

    • “I did it entirely unintentionally though. I wonder why…”

      Sounds like you solved that mystery by stating you’re only watching movies you’ve never seen before. Since it makes sense to assume you’ve seen a ton of movies from your favorite era, it’s logical to assume that you’ll end up not having many (If any) for your 31 days.

      I’ve been debating about doing an ABC’s Of Horror with the first 26 days being devoted to one movie per letter. If I end up doing that, chances are I’ll be watching XTRO too. There sure aren’t a lot of options for horror movies that begins with the letter X.

      Awesome list though. I’ve seen about half of them, so you might tempt me to watch the ones I haven’t seen. The only one I know I will be watching too is ALL HALLOW’S EVE.

      • Sal, you’re a genius! Actually, moments after I posted my comment I googled horror movies from the ’70s and though I’ve seen a lot, there are still many movies that need to be watched. Giallos for instance, are a weakness of mine. I’m still waiting for Josh to bring his giallo segment back. That was going to be my gateway drug to the subgenre.

        • If you go by Mattroid’s view on when the decade begins, TERROR TRAIN would count as a 70’s movie since it came out in 1980 and part of it may have been made in 1979.

    • Awesome list! I’m very interested in CUB, let me know! Also, I was a huge fan of DIGGING UP THE MARROW. Ray Wise is excellent. At the big monstermania convention here in New Jersey I got to meet Adam Green at the autograph signing (he doesn’t charge)great guy, later on that night he ended up coming over to my table at dinner for an hour and we talked about horror, gave me a free signed copy of the film before it was released. Super cool guy!

      • Thanks Ian. I’ll make sure to post at least a mini-review everyday during the month of October and I hope everyone else joins me. I think it could be a lot of fun. Adam Green sounds like a great guy. I love his Hatchet series!

    • Ok so I think I’m going to need to change my list a bit. I’m having a hard time getting a hold of MATANGO and XTRO. They’re on youtube, but I don’t love the quality. Netflix doesn’t have the dvd version available and purchasing them is out of the question as they’re too expensive for a blind-buy. Do any of you guys know where else I could get a hold of these? If not, I’m going to have to substitute them for something else. Thanks in advance!

        • Thanks Sal. Yeah they aren’t cheap for sure. I’m not a fan of dubbed movies, so I rather wait until I can see the original, subtitled version.

          • Here’s a good streaming copy of XTRO.

            http://putlocker.is/watch-xtro-online-free-putlocker.html

            Don’t click on the “Play now” button, just let the video player load on that page.

            If you want to watch Maganto’s original version without paying $80, you’ll probably have to download a torrent. Without posting links to any torrents, I did find one that does include English subtitles.

            I do find that these two movies are good representations for why piracy isn’t a black and white issue/good and bad issue. It becomes shades of grey when it’s either impossible to find a legal copy of a movie or the only way to get it is to spend a small fortune compared to easily being able to pirate a movie.

  29. Off-topic.

    What is Terror Tovey doing these days? I’m making my way through the Weekly Horror Movie Podcast archives (Just entered the Midnight Corey era. RIP JOTD) and I really dig hearing Terror Tovey’s reviews. His horror amateur status and seeing movies for the first time brought something different to the table. It was also fun whenever he and BillChete would go at it.

    • I know! I miss Midnight Corey and Terror Tovey. Your very short-lived reunion wasn’t nearly enough. They need to make more guest appearances.

      • I find myself missing Jay as the host of TWHMP, but the biggest pro going for Midnight Corey is he has the best radio voice I’ve heard from any of the gang from HMP or their old shows.

        Now that I’ve completed Horror Metropolis and finished up the first half of TWHMP, I’ll be able to appreciate another reunion show unlike when it was first done on HMP.

        Maybe bring them back for a small role on the Christmas episode? It’ll make fun a fun present.

  30. Honorable mentions : The Nameless, Wes Craven’s New Nightmare, Dead Alive, Ringu, Blair Witch Project,The Ugly

    My top 5 :
    5. Ghostwatch
    4.Nattevagten
    3.Scream
    2.Army of Darkness
    1.Dellamorte Dellamore

    • Hahaha, I looked up Dellamorte Dellamore on Wikipedia and found out it’s Italian for Cemetary Man. I should have known that because the lead character is Dellamorte and his mother is Dellamore. Morte meaning death and amore meaning love. Cool list, Rob from Belgium. Plus I learned something! I’ll have to watch The People Under the Stairs again. I see it in a lot of lists but I saw it for the first time a year ago and I wasn’t impressed.

  31. I have an Idea I’ve been thinking about that last few days…I’m trying to come up with my Top 5 worst horror movies I’ve ever seen…It’s proving harder than a best of list…I want to hear your guys picks if you can…

    • I can be pretty picky when it comes to horror, Shannon. I can easily come up with a top 5, so I’ll pull a trick from your own hat and give you a top 10. Remember, these are the worst horror movies from what I’ve seen. I’m sure there are probably worse movies out there.

      1. Dracula 3D (2012) – .5
      2. Entity (2012) – .5
      3. Day of the Dead (2008) – .5
      4. See No Evil 2 – 1
      5. The Remaining (2014) – 1.5
      6. Torment (2013) – 1.5
      7. Soul Survivor (2001) – 2
      8. High Lane (2009) – 2.5
      9. Leprechaun Origins (2014) – 2.5
      10. Jug Face (2013) – 3

    • 5. Human Centipede 2: The first was bad and would be on this list if I hadn’t seen the second one… which is so awful it goes beyond words. I hear the third is even worse and I’m going to trust that judgement and not bother with it myself.

      4. The Butcher (2007) This Korean POV film is basically a dramatized snuff flick and is hard to watch- It’s very gory, very nasty, very cruel, and it’s just unbelievably awful on a level few films achieve.

      3. Any Guinea Pig Movie: I’ve seen two- they’re awful. There’s no plot, no substance, and the gore is just uncomfortable to sit through. It’s just not a good movie experience in any way and I gave up after the Mermaid one.

      2. House of the Dead: My introduction to Uwe Boll and the wretchedness that is his style of film making… I actually didn’t think it was actually possible to make a bad zombie movie until I saw this trash. For me, Zombie movies were like pizza… even when they were bad, they were still kind of good. But this was just awful.

      1. Manos: The Hands of Fate- Admittedly this movie is one of the most mocked and entertainingly bad films ever made, but it wasn’t meant to be that and everything about this film is just so poor and awful. Sound doesn’t synch, the performances are awful, and it is honestly the worst movie I ever sat through.

    • Chuck, funny that you mention THE STAND and IT. When talking about my top 5, I meant to include a little something about how the ’90s seemed to be the decade for Stephen King adaptations into mini-series. Glad you included them in your list.

  32. The Dude’s top 5 picks of the ’90s.
    Let me first start off by saying that the ’90s have received a lot of flack from horror fans over the years. Yes they were pretty dark days, but I think that there were still a lot of quality films. What was missing was the advent of any big horror icons or franchises (with the exception of Ghost Face and Scream). That said I do believe that there were a large number of excellent stand alone films.

    In no particular order I would put the follow titles forward as some of my favourites.

    In the Mouth of Madness (1994) – One of the best uses of Lovecraft’s Mythos
    Event Horizon (1997) – A beautiful blend of horror and sci-fi that rarely happens.
    Blair Witch Project (1999) – One of the most powerful viewing experiences
    Dead Alive (1992) – Fun and over the top gore (can you say “Lawnmower”)
    Tremors (1990) – Classic, old school “B” movie horror in an “A” production
    (Runner Up) Exorcist III (1990) – This movie get a bad wrap but it is so well done.

    Honourable mentions:
    – From Dusk Til Dawn
    – Stir of Echoes (I preferred this to 6th Sense)
    – Ringu
    – Ravenous
    – Sleepy Hollow
    – The Frighteners
    – NOTLD – Remake

    I could probably list a large number more, but I will spare everyone.

    Abide the ’90s.

    The Dude

  33. Without getting too much into it, WMJ doesn’t like the Hellraiser movies!! They’re my all-time favorite franchise. I’m curious as to why. Is it the wooden acting? The low-budget sets? Clive Barker’s directing style? Please tell.

    • The Hellraiser series is a tough one for me. The first two films are excellent, which goes without saying, but the rest of the series is sort of hit or miss. I think there are some decent entries – I like 3 and 4, and to some degree, 7 and 8 – but there are some really awful films, too – from what I can remember, I’m not a fan of 5 or 6, but 9 takes the cake of awfulness.

      Overall, I think it’s worth checking out, but I’m not sure it requires a deep deep dive. Maybe something closer to how JOTD covered the Pumpkinhead franchise.

          • When the Faculty of Horror did their Hellraiser podcast, they directed me to the 100% all Hellraiser, all the time “Hellraiser Podcast.”

            Imagine the Bananas in Pajamas talking about Clive Barker sex demon snuff films and that’s the podcast:
            B1: And then all her flesh was torn off!
            B2: That’s lovely.

            http://www.hellraiserpodcast.com/

            The first two are genius, number three is hilarious and four is just cuckoo and they do keep going down hill until it’s just plain goofiness. I attended a panel at DragonCon where Doug Bradley said that he hated everything after four and that he doesn’t endorse them.

    • Despite a great start, the HELLRAISER series mostly sucked. I do remember enjoying HELLRAISER 3 though. One of the biggest flaws of the series is that over half of the movies weren’t even written to be HELLRAISER movies. Instead, they just pulled a script off of the shelf that was collecting dust, threw in a couple scenes with Pinhead and *BOOM* we have another crappy HELLRAISER movie.

      • There’s one of the Hellraiser movies in particular that’s some other movie where they did exactly that; added some Pinhead and called it a movie. I think that one would be an all-right movie on it’s own, without the Hellraiser elements. The one about the video game, Hellworld, is by far the most foolish and my least favorite.

  34. I think all of us should collectively write lyrics for a Jay of the Dead rap to be performed on the episode prior to Halloween.

    • Brother, trust me. I’m on it. But you’re welcome to e-mail me any topical inclusions for consideration. : ) This rap is very serious business to me.
      JOTD

  35. Hey Everybody,
    Jay of the Dead here. Thanks for all these excellent and entertaining comments. We discuss many of them in the franchise overview.

    Check it out — Ep. 067 is posted and ready to rock — right on time! http://horrormoviepodcast.com/horror-movie-podcast-ep-067-scream-4-2011-and-scream-season-1-mtv-series-2015-scream-franchise-review-part-3-of-3/

    And next week, we’re somehow going to release two shows… Be ready!

    Dead Serious About Horror Movies.
    JOTD

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