Horror Movie Podcast Ep. 111: HORROR CINEMA AWARDS — A Celebration of the Finest Achievements in 2016 Horror Films

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HORROR MOVIE PODCAST PRESENTS the very first HORROR CINEMA AWARDS — A celebration of the finest filmic achievements in horror for 2016!

We’ve assembled a wonderful jury from every corner of the horror community, including filmmaker, critics, writers, podcasters, artists, and academics. The nominees are drawn from the HMP host and listener Top 10 lists of 2016 and the jury has voted on those nominees in traditional awards show categories from “Best Actress” to “Best Picture.”

After that, your HMP hosts give away their own special “Dead Serious” awards where we get a little more out of the box and award films for their best “Beastly Freaks” or use of “Horror in the Daylight.”

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I. Introduction

[ 00:02:18 ] II. A Brief History of The Academy Awards’ Recognition of Horror Films

[ 00:31:20 ] III. Theme Discussion: Why Is the Horror Genre so Unappreciated?

[ 01:08:02 ] IV. How HMP’s HORROR CINEMA AWARDS Came to Be, and How They’re Organized

[ 01:14:35 ] V. Meet the 2016 HORROR CINEMA AWARDS Jury

Horror Filmmakers

1. Chris Peckover (Horror Writer/Director)
Stream Chris’ movie Undocumented (2010) on GooglePlay or YouTube for $2.99
Follow release info for Chris’ movie Better Watch Out (2017) on Facebook and Twitter
Follow Chris on Twitter: @peckover

2. Josh Stolberg (Horror Writer/Director)
Check out Josh’s website: joshstolberg.com
Buy Josh’s movie Piranha 3D on Amazon for $9.99
Stream Josh’s movie Sorority Row (2009) on GooglePlay or YouTube for $2.99
Stream Josh’s movie Crawlspace (2013) on GooglePlay or YouTube for $3.99
Follow Josh for news on his upcoming horror film Jigsaw (2017)
Follow Josh on Twitter: @joshstolberg

3. Justin Benson (Horror Writer/Director/Producer/Editor)
Stream Justin’s movie Resolution (2013) for free with Shudder
Stream Justin’s movie V/H/S Viral (2014) for free with Netflix
Stream Justin’s movie Spring (2015) for free with Amazon Prime
Watch for news of Justin’s upcoming horror film The Endless (2017)
Follow Justin on Twitter: @justinhbenson

4. Aaron Moorhead (Horror Writer/Director/Producer/Cinematographer/Editor)
Stream Aaron’s movie Resolution (2013) for free with Shudder
Stream Aaron’s movie V/H/S Viral (2014) for free with Netflix
Stream Aaron’s movie Spring (2015) for free with Amazon Prime
Watch for news of Aaron’s upcoming horror film The Endless (2017)
Follow Aaron on Twitter: @aaronmoorhead

5. Matt Greenberg (Horror Writer/Producer)
Stream Matt’s movie 1408 (2007) on GooglePlay or YouTube for $2.99
Stream Matt’s movie Reign of Fire (2002) on GooglePlay or YouTube for $2.99
Stream Matt’s movie Halloween H2O (1998) on GooglePlay or YouTube for $2.99
Stream Matt’s episode of Masters of Horror (2006) on Amazon for $1.99

Horror Taste Makers
(Artists, Critics, Bloggers, Podcasters, etc)

6. Peter Strain “FrankenStrain” (Horror Artist)*
Check out Peter’s website: peterstrain.co.uk
Shop Peter’s print store at: etsy.com
Follow Peter on Instagram: @peterstrain
Follow Peter on Twitter: @peter_strain
*Peter was accompanied in voting by his horror fan wife Jemma Hayes Strain aka “Mrs. VoorHayes”

7. Gary Pullin “Ghoulish Gary” (Horror Artist)
Check out Gary’s website: ghoulishgary.com
Shop Gary’s print store: store.ghoulishgary.com
Follow Gary on Instagram: @ghoulishgary
Follow Gary on Twitter: @ghoulishgary

8. Travis Falligant “IBtrav” (Horror Artist)
Check out Travis’ website: ibtrav.com
Shop Travis’ horror t-shirts and merch at: redbubble.com
Shop Travis’ other t-shirts and merch at: society6.com
Shop Travis’ pin store at: bigcartel.com
Follow Travis on Instagram: @ibtrav
Follow Travis on Twitter: @ibtrav

9. Sarah Hawkinson “Possessed by Horror” (YouTube Horror Reviewer)
Subscribe to Sarah’s horror channel: PossessedByHorror
Check our Sarah’s regular vlogs: SarahHawkinsonVlogs
Follow Sarah on Twitter: @sarahmhawkinson
Follow Sarah on Instagram: @sarahhawkinson

10. Anya Stanley (Horror Writer)
Check out Anya’s writing at Birth.Movies.Death
Check out Anya’s writing at VagueVisages.com
Check out Anya’s writing at 52WeeksofHorror.com
Follow Anya on Instagram: @a.m.novak
Follow Anya on Twitter: @bookishplinko

11. Andrew Tadman “The Books of Blood” (Horror Book Reviewer)
Find Andrew’s horror book reviews in Scream Horror Magazine
Read Andrew’s horror book reviews at DreadfulReviews.com
Check out Andrew’s website: thebooksofblood.com
Follow Andrew on Twitter: @thebooksofblood
Follow Andrew on Instagram: @thebooksofblood

12. Greg Morgan “GregaMortis” (Horror Podcaster)
Listen to Greg’s horror podcast: Land of the Creeps
Hear Greg on Horror Movie Podcast: The 1980s Slasher Film Movement
Follow Greg on Twitter: @gregamortis
Follow Greg on Instagram: @gregaortis666

13. Chantel Feszczyn “Channy Dreadful” (Horror Film Reviewer)
Check out Channy’s horror review website: DreadfulReviews.com
Hear Channy on horror podcast Land of the Creeps
Hear Channy on Horror Movie Podcast
Follow Channy on Twitter: @channydreadful
Follow Dreaful Reviews on Twitter: @dreadfulreviews

14. Justin Beahm (Horror Media Renaissance Man)
Check out Justin’s website: JustinBeahm.com
Listen to Justin’s horror podcast: The Justin Beahm Radio Hour
Follow Justin on Twitter: @justinbeahm

Horror Scholars

15. Dr. Carl Sederholm (H.P. Lovecraft Scholar)
Carl at Brigham Young University
Buy Carl’s book The Age of Lovecraft
Hear Carl on Horror Movie Podcast: H.P. Lovecraft 101: An Introduction
Follow Carl on Twitter: @CarlSederholm

16. Dr. Kinitra Brooks (Black Women in Horror Scholar)
Kinitra at The University of Texas at San Antonio
Check out Kinitra’s website: kinitradbrooks.com
See Kinitra’s feature on Graveyard Shift Sisters: Horror Blackademics
Look forward to Kinatra’s book, Searching for Sycorax: Black Women Haunting Contemporary Horror

17. Dr. Maisha Wester (Race and Class in Horror Scholar)
Maisha at Indiana University of Bloomington
See Maisha’s feature on Graveyard Shift Sisters: Horror Blackademics
Buy Maisha’s book African American Gothic: Screams from Shadowed Places

18. Dr. Arnold T. Blumberg (Zombie and Comic Book Scholar)
Arnold at University of Maryland Baltimore County
Listen to Arnold’s podcast: Doctor of the Dead
Seen him in horror documentaries like Doc of the Dead
Read Arnold’s contributions to Triumph of The Walking Dead + The Undead and Theology
Follow Arnold on Twitter: @DoctoroftheDead

Horror Movie Podcast Community

19. Kagan Breitenbach (Horror Movie Podcast “Listener of the Year”)
Check out Kagan’s composition and arrangement: kaganbreitenbach.com
Subscribe to Kagan’s film and game homage YouTube channel: Quartet Macrbre
Follow Kagan on Twitter: @krbreitenbach

20. Dino Ticinelli (Horror Movie Podcast “Listener of the Year”)
Follow Dino on Letterboxd: @cinedino
Follow Dino on Twitter: @dinoticinelli

21. Juan Pablo Esparaza (Horror Movie Podcast “Listener of the Year”)
Follow Juan on Letterboxd: @mlptmy
Follow Juan on Twitter: @thereaperofsoul

22. David Dunbar (Horror Movie Podcast “Listener of the Year”)
Check out David’s music on BandCamp: A Tape Collage for Eloise
Follow David on Letterboxd: @david_casette
Follow David on Twitter: @DavidD12427438

Horror Movie Podcast Hosts

23. Dave Becker “Dr. Shock” (Horror Movie Podcast Host)
Read Dave’s daily movie review blog: DVDinfatuation.com
Follow Dave on Twitter: @DVDinfatuation
Like Dave’s DVD Infatuation on: Facebook
Dr. Shock also appears on this horror podcast: Land of the Creeps
Dr. Shock and Wolfman Josh cover Universal Monsters on: UniversalMonstersCast.com

24. Joshua Ligairi “Wolfman Josh” (Horror Movie Podcast Host)
Follow Josh on Twitter: @IcarusArts
Josh covers streaming online movies on: MovieStreamCast.com
Follow MSC on Twitter: @MovieStreamCast
Like MSC on: Facebook
Wolfman Josh and Dr. Shock cover Universal Monsters on: UniversalMonstersCast.com
Follow UMC on Twitter: @MonstersCast

25. Jason Pyles “Jay of the Dead” (Horror Movie Podcast Host)
Follow Jason and Horror Movie Podcast on Twitter: @HorrorMovieCast
Jason covers new releases in theaters at: MoviePodcastWeekly.com
Follow Jason and Movie Podcast Weekly on Twitter: @MovieCastWeekly

[ 1:31:03 ] III. The Nominees Are…

Best Actor in a Leading Horror Role Nominees
Anton Yelchin, GREEN ROOM
Stephen Lang, DON’T BREATHE
Itay Tiran, DEMON
HCA Best Actor

Best Actor in a Supporting Horror Role Nominees
Richard Brake, 31
Ralph Ineson, THE WITCH
Hwang Jung-Min, THE WAILING
Christopher Lloyd, I AM NOT A SERIAL KILLER
Patrick Stewart, GREEN ROOM
*Write in – Harvey Scrimshaw, THE WITCH
*Write in – 
Jun Kunimura, THE WAILING
HCA Supporting Actor

Best Actress in a Leading Horror Role Nominees
Vera Farmiga, THE CONJURING 2
Teresa Palmer, LIGHTS OUT
Anya Taylor Joy, THE WITCH
Narges Rashidi, UNDER THE SHADOW

HCA Best Actress

Best Actress in a Supporting Horror Role Nominees
Bella Heathcote, THE NEON DEMON
Maria Bello, LIGHTS OUT
Madison Wolfe, THE CONJURING 2
Barbara Crampton, BEYOND THE GATES
Imogen Poots, GREEN ROOM
HCA Supporting Actress

Best Original Horror Screenplay
Robert Eggers, THE WITCH
Ian B. Goldberg and Richard Naing, THE AUTOPSY OF JANE DOE
Adrián García Bogliano, SCHERZO DIABOLICO
Lawrence Michael Levine, ALWAYS SHINE

Best Adapted Horror Screenplay
Christopher Hyde and Billy O’Brien, I AM NOT A SERIAL KILLER
Josh Campbell & Matthew Stuecken, and Damien Chazelle, 10 CLOVERFIELD LANE
Eric Heisserer, LIGHTS OUT
Simon Barrett, BLAIR WITCH
Katie Dippold and Paul Feig, GHOSTBUSTERS

Best Cinematography in a Horror Film
Hong Kyung-Pyo, THE WAILING
Natasha Braier, THE NEON DEMON
Robby Baumgartner, BLAIR WITCH
Don Burgess, THE CONJURING 2
Sean Porter, GREEN ROOM
Jarin Blaschke, THE WITCH
Marc Spicer, LIGHTS OUT

Best Art Direction and Production Design in a Horror Film
(Elliott Hostetter: Production Designer, Austin Gorg: Art Director)

(Dimitri Capuani: Production Designer, Marco Furbatto, Massimo Pauletto, Gianpaolo Rifino: Art Directors)

(Rodrigo Cabral: Production Designer, Kevin Houlihan: Art Director)
(Sila Karakaya: Production Designer)
(Ramsey Avery: Production Designer)
(Thomas S. Hammock: Production Desiger, Sheila Haley: Art Directior)
(Lee Mok-Won: Art Director, Production Designer, Set Decorator)
*Write-in: THE WITCH

Best Costume Design in a Horror Film
Sean Porter, GREEN ROOM
Kristin M. Burke, THE CONJURING 2
Eloise Kazan, THE SIMILARS
Massimo Cantini Parrini, TALE OF TALES
Linda Muir, THE WITCH

Best Director of a Horror Film
Jeremy Saulnier, GREEN ROOM
Fede Alvarez, DON’T BREATHE
Robert Eggers, THE WITCH
HCA Best Director

Best Foreign Language Horror Film
THE WAILING ”Goksung” (South Korea: Korean)
TRAIN TO BUSAN ”Busanhaeng” (South Korea: Korean)
DEMON (Poland, Israel: Polish)
UNDER THE SHADOW (Jordan, UK: Persian)
FRANCESCA (Italy, Argentina: Italian)
WHAT WE BECOME ”Sorgenfri” (Denmark: Danish)
HCA Foreign Film

Best Visual (CGI) Effects

Best Editing
Eric L. Beason, Louise Ford, Gardner Gould, DON’T BREATHE
Julia Bloch, GREEN ROOM
Louis Cioffi, BLAIR WITCH
Mike Flanagan, HUSH

Best Sound Design
(Jeffrey A. Pitts: Sound Designer, Andy Hay: Supervising Sound Editor, Dan Kramer: Sound FX Editor)
(Jonathan Miller: Sound Designer, Joshua Adeniji: Supervising Sound Editor, Trevor Gates: Sound FX Editor, Casba Major: Sound Mixer, Christopher Bonis: Sound Editor)
(Robert Dehn: Sound Manager, Joshua Adeniji, Chris Diebol: Sound FX Editors)
(Roland Vajs: Sound Designer, Paul H. Maritsas: Supervising Sound Editor)

Best Original Score
Joseph Bishara, THE CONJURING 2
Marcin Macuk and Krzysztof Penderecki, DEMON
Mark Korven, THE WITCH
Cliff Martinez, THE NEON DEMON
Steve Moore, THE MIND’S EYE
Roque Baños, DON’T BREATHE

Best Practical Effects
THE MIND’S EYE (Natalie Violette, Brian Spears, Pete Gerner, Ashley K. Thomas)
THE AUTOPSY OF JANE DOE (Kristyan Mallett, Victoria Money, Ailsa Lawson, and Alex Harper)
31 (Michelle Chung, Wayne Toth, Bart Mixon, Adrienne Lynn)
GREEN ROOM (Jessica Needham, Michael Marino, Michael Fontaine, Joe Badiali, Danny Wagner, Jamie Kelman)
CLOWN (Tony Gardner, and Angie Mills)
*Write-in: The Eyes of My Mother

Breakout Horror Performance
Richard Brake, 31
Harvey Scrimshaw, THE WITCH
Neville Archambault, 13 CAMERAS
Wes Robinson, BLAIR WITCH
Samantha Robinson, THE LOVE WITCH
Kate Siegel, HUSH
Anya Taylor Joy, THE WITCH
Harley Quinn Smith, YOGA HOSERS
Lily-Rose Depp, YOGA HOSERS
HCA Breakout Performance

Best Horror Ensemble
(Anton Yelchin, Imogen Poots, Alia Shawkat, Macon Blair, Patrick Stewart, Mark Webber, Eric Edelstein, Joe Cole, and Callum Turner)
(John Goodman, Mary Elizabeth Winstead, and John Gallagher Jr.)
(Jane Levy, Stephen Lang, Daniel Zovatto, and Dylan Minnette)
(Vera Farmiga, Patrick Wilson, Madison Wolfe, Frances O’Connor, Lauren Esposito, Benjamin Haigh, Bonnie Aarons, Franke Potente, Simon Mc Burney, Abhi Sinha)
(Adam Stilwell, Andrew Rizzo, Brick Patrick, Nathaniel Peterson, Kendra Mylnechuk, Karen Jean Olds, Ciara Rose Griffin)
(Logan Marshall-Green, Tammy Blanchard, Michiel Huisman, Lindsay Burge, John Carroll Lynch, Emayatzy Corinealdi, Michelle Krusiec, Marieh Delfino, Mike Doyle, Jay Larson, and Jordi Vilasuso)

Best First Feature
Dan Trachtenberg, 10 CLOVERFIELD LANE
David F. Sandberg, LIGHTS OUT
Robert Eggers, THE WITCH
Jackson Stewart, BEYOND THE GATES

Best Horror Film
HCA Best Horror Film

Best Horror Film Nominees come from combined Top 10 lists of HMP hosts and listeners compelled by listener Jeff Hammer on Letterboxd.

[ 1:57:58 ] V. The Horror Movie Podcast Dead Serious Awards

“Survival Horror Award” (that could actually happen): GREEN ROOM

“Horror in the Daylight Award”: TRAIN TO BUSAN

“Beastly Freak Award” (for the best horror monster): CLOWN

“The Deep Cut Award” (for a lesser-known gem): THE INVITATION

“Laugh ‘Til It Hurts Award” (for the best horror-comedy): THEY’RE WATCHING

“Real-Life Horror Award” (for a horrific documentary): TICKLED

“Horror Happens to Those Who Deserve It Least Award”: THE CONJURING 2

“The Fright Award” (for the scariest horror film): THE WAILING

“Thrill Award” (for the best action-horror film): TRAIN TO BUSAN

[ 02:09:34 ] VI. Wrap-Up / Plugs / Ending


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141 thoughts on “Horror Movie Podcast Ep. 111: HORROR CINEMA AWARDS — A Celebration of the Finest Achievements in 2016 Horror Films

  1. This was an awesome episode.

    The Oscar debate is always an interesting conversation, and I will probably have more to add later when I have more time. But you could fill in that blank of lack of representation for so many genres: comedy, action, horror, sc-fi, fantasy, etc.

    Just an awesome epsiode. Made my morning.

    • Glad you enjoyed it!

      I agree that many genre films are unfairly overlooked. I was thinking the same thing about comedies and the Oscars. Of course, the Golden Globes have a “Best Comedy and Musical” section and I would suggest that science fiction and fantasy have a better track record than horror, when it comes to awards shows. Action, I think, is probably too oft-overlooked bc actioners have a reputation of being poorly written. And I’d argue that there aren’t too many comedies that came out this past year that are as artfully executed as The Witch or The Wailing or Green Room, just by nature of the genre.

      At any rate, we’ve got some horror awards now!

      • I wasn’t specifically talking about 2016, but I can go that route. I’m in the minority, but I was nowhere near the fan of ‘The Witch’ and ‘Green Room’ as a lot of listeners, so I would not personally be giving them any Oscar love, but based on most horror movie fan’s love of these two films, I can totally see why they believe they deserve some sort of mention. I plan on seeing ‘The Wailing’ finally this weekend; can’t wait to watch it. Will let you know what I think.

        As for comedies, 2016 was not the strongest of years. But you could argue that ‘Nice Guys’ deserved some love. I could easily see the screenplay or either of the lead actors getting a nod; the cinematography of this film was also quite outstanding. I also believe ‘Popstar’ had three different songs that could have easily landed a ‘Best Song’ nomination, but I gave up on that category having any kind of reasonable idea of what deserves a nomination a long time ago.

        The automatic dumbed down attitude toward writing in action movies is troubling; this seems to be the same attitude most horror fans attribute to non-horror fans. I would argue that movies like ‘Die Hard,’ ‘Crimson Tide,’ ‘Speed,’ ‘Dirty Harry,’ ‘First Blood,’ ‘Robocop,’ ‘The Dark Knight,’ ‘Aliens,’ ‘True Romance,’ ‘The Killer,’ Hard Boiled,’ ‘In the Line of Fire,’ and ‘Man on Fire’ (just to name a few off the top of my head) are as smart as just about any other genre’s offerings over the last four or five decades. I’m sure I could come up with quite a few more.

        • Jonathan wrote:

          “I would argue that movies like Die Hard, Crimson Tide, Speed, Dirty Harry, First Blood, Robocop, The Dark Knight, Aliens, True Romance, The Killer, Hard Boiled, In the Line of Fire, and Man on Fire (just to name a few off the top of my head) are as smart as just about any other genre’s offerings over the last four or five decades.”

          Sure. And most of those films were nominated for awards, including Academy Awards. But like the Oscar-nominated horror films, it’s still a pretty minuscule sampling of action films released over that period of time.

          I wasn’t specifically talking about 2016 until that final line, either. I could see defintely Nice Guys getting a screenwriting award, but I don’t think I’d nominate it for anything else. The camera work was nice, but there are so many incredible-looking films this year.

          I guess the primary reason that I’m not as concerned about other genres recognition, as compared to horror, is that I’m not a fan of action movies and comedies are so rarely impressive on a technical level – Wes Anderson and Woody Allen movies aside.

    • I think The Lobster is a def a comedy, maybe more of a dark comedy and it made the Oscar list. I think the WItch was much better than that movie for sure, yet no nomination.

  2. Man 2016… you look back and it’s hard to remember the good, but what was truly good were the horror films. I can’t remember a year in recent memory that offered a line up of such superbly artistic, smart, and actually scary films. The amount of variety here is mind blowing. For me, nearly all of these nominations are films that I can say that I loved!

    May the best films win. I feel honored to have gotten to cast my vote! Thanks guys

  3. If you’re just here for the awards show, and you skipped the first hour, you are doing yourself a huge disservice. The discussion and analysis going on here is some of the best HMP content released. It’s important for every horror lover to listen to. I love this

    • Good call, Jason.

      I was also thinking about ‘Fatal Attraction’ being nominated for best picture in 87. Although, if you guys mentioned that one I apologize. I know that is an on the fence film for a lot of horror fans, but I definitely consider it horror.

    • I’m pretty sure that Jay was only listing films that actually won the awards. Carrie was nominated, but didn’t win. Jason did mention additional nominations for films that won, but it wasn’t brought up unless it won something, I believe. Jason also says “this is not an exhaustive list” at the beginning. Still, probably an oversight. Definitely a film worth discussing.

      I’d blame it on Dave and Jay for missing it, but since I contributed absolutely nothing to that portion of the show, the weight rests entirely on my shoulders. I could have been on top of that.

  4. great episode guys. I really enjoyed the pre show discussion, especially on reasons why horror films rarely get recognized. As a career cinefile I never thought they get the recognition they deserve, but when you consider the voters, it is well understood. Most, if not all, are from long established studios, who would have rejected the notion of making horrors, or rejected the movies that are pitched and were released as independents. Therefore they would have no interest in recognizing them. Another reason, and as horrors fans we have to admit this, is that the acting is usually not very strong. For many films, we just hope the acting is adequate enough to further the plot along. And when the acting is strong it really stands out, such as Kathy Bates (which some will debate whether is it a true horror?). Finally I think with the lower budgets many in the studios look down on the film quality, rather than praise those directors creativity who work with the budget they have. It is what it is. I sometimes think an award show comprising of horror/sci fi/fantasy/crime movies would be interesting, but a pipedream unless there is a sponsor to fund such a show. Just my 2 cents. Cheers!

  5. I am still listening but wanted to post about the Oscars. I feel like the Hollywood shuns the horror genre because they don’t get it. I think they take the films for face value instead of looking at their deeper, more subtle meanings and social commentary. When we do get horror films that crossover into drama I think those are the films that get more recognition. But there are some straight-up horror films that deserve way more recognition than they have gotten. The Shining? Pyscho? Blair Witch. I also heard on an NPR segment about how the people voting know little about the categories like sound design and those are often throw away awards that go to the more popular movies rather than the ones that actually deserve it.

    The whole oscar process seems like a sham anyhow. Most of the voting happens by white men. And it seems like more of a popularity contest and “who you know” awards show. I mean, Barbara Crampton, BEYOND THE GATES? Yah, that just seems odd.

    I am happy that Always Shine made it into best original screenplay. I really enjoyed that movie last year and it got overlooked a ton. But I thought the acting by the two lead females in it were far better than any of the Neon Demon ladies. Also happy to see Under the Shadow, Autopsy of Jane Doe, and I am not a Serial Killer on the lists.

    Lastly if the lady from the Conjuring 2 wins best actress I quit. I don’t think she is amazing and the leads from The Witch, Pretty Thing, and Eyes of my Mother were far better.

    • Disclaimer….So I actually posted before you got into the awards nominees segment and thought that the list up at the top was actually from the Academy Awards…Yeah, I’m a blonde. Now, after actually listening I understand how this list was put together. Okay I’m still wondering how the heck Beyond the Gates got onto this award list?

      My votes-
      Best Actor-Kwak Do-Won, THE WAILING
      Best Supporting Actor-Christopher Lloyd, I AM NOT A SERIAL KILLER
      Best Supporting Actress-Imogen Poots, GREEN ROOM
      Best Original Horror Screenplay ALWAYS SHINE (woot woot-love this movie)
      Best Adapted Horror Screenplay
      Christopher Hyde and Billy O’Brien, I AM NOT A SERIAL KILLER
      Best Foreign Language Film- Under the Shadow
      Best Breakout Performance-Anya Taylor Joy, THE WITCH
      Best Horror Ensemble-THE TRIANGLE
      (Adam Stilwell, Andrew Rizzo, Brick Patrick, Nathaniel Peterson, Kendra Mylnechuk, Karen Jean Olds, Ciara Rose Griffin)
      Best First Feature-Babak Anvari, UNDER THE SHADOW
      Best Film-The Wailing

      Oh, and I just watched Last Girl Standing
      Nice little indie flick. 5.5/10 It is a slow start and i somewhat predictable but overall a rental.

      • I like you picks a lot! Thank you for sharing them. I hope more listeners do. There are not many I’d argue with. I wasn’t as crazy about Anya Taylor Joy as everyone else, but she’s a solid choice for breakout.

        I did not love Last Girl Standing, however. It was one of the films that I crammed at the end of the year for my 2016 list that was bust. But, I had a pretty high standard at that time, trying to find movies that could bump something in my Top 10.

        Beyond the Gates had a lot of problems for me, but seeing Barbara Crampton back was a highlight of my year. And I thought the film was decent for a first feature. It’s kind of a typical first feature, in terms of quality. And it was much more creative than most. It was just going up against much more accomplished first features because 2016 was such an incredible year. I’m comfortable with it getting nods in those categories.

        I take your point about the actresses in Always Shine and they definitely could have been on that list. They were excellent.

        The process was a little wonky, being that was our first year, but I think it will be much smoother next time. All in all, despite a few notable exceptions, I think it was a pretty good list of nominations. I’m happy with how this went. And mostly, I’m happy to recognize so many great films that will be snubbed in the mainstream.

    • I do think Vera Farmiga is amazing (particularly in the Conjuring movies) and I think Anya Taylor Joy is a tiny bit overrated, but I agree with you that I prefer Kika Magalhaes and Ruth Wilson to Vera this year. This was a very tough category. I thought all of the nominees were very strong. I didn’t care for her character’s arc in The Monster, but Zoe Kazan knocked my socks off. They were all great.

      • I didn’t think Zoe Kazan was the right fit for that role for some reason. She seemed to young and NOT messed up enough. I guess I just didn’t like the dynamic between the two.

        Side note, you must get that I love indie movies, both drama and horror. And yes, Last Girl Standing wasn’t the greatest but I liked the pace, up until the end when they crammed too much in. The Triangle was great. That was your suggestion, right? I need a few more good recs. I loved Always Shine, Bagheads, Absentia, The Canal, The Afflicted, and of course, It Follows.

        I did not like, Creep, The Babadook, and Goodnight Mommy.

        Also I remember this one film I saw a while ago about a group of friends that go to a rural spot in Ireland? England? to one of the group’s vacation homes and they do a lot of drugs and look through the contents of the house and uncover a mystery of people that hanged himself at a tree nearby. I think it was a found footage movie. Well, I really liked that one but can’t for the life of me remember what it is called.

        So if you or anyone can give me a few obscure (but not too low budget) indie horror flicks that would be great. I have see a lot of movies so I am hoping I can get a few gems to put on my watchlist.

          • The Babadook…why did so many people think that was a good movie? I kept hoping he was going to eat that annoying kid. Then eat his mom just for having him and raising him. That movie sucked.

          • You all are out of your minds. The Babadook is a modern masterpiece. I didn’t appreciate it as much as some when we first reviewed it (although I gave it an 8 and said “buy it”), but it has improved with every viewing for me. There’s so much depth to the story and characters. Incredible performances. Great cinematography and design. It’s a solid movie, at the very least.

        • Yes, I recommended The Triangle! It was in my Top 10 of 2016!

          I can defintely understand not appreciating Creep and possibly Goodnight Mommy, but I just don’t get disliking The Babadook. Different strokes, but that film is a masterpiece, in my opinion.

          Can’t wait to hear what you thought of Get Out.

          Recommendations for indie-lovers who didn’t like The Babadook and Goodnight Mommy … let’s see … did you see The Alchemist Cookbook (2016) this past year? It was maybe closer to Creep in style than Always Shine, but they inhabit that same indie, lo-fi world. Did you try my recommendation of the Netflix Original Mercy (2016) from last episode? It’s a nice twist on home invasion.

          I feel like the highest quality indie stuff from the part several years has leaned more toward thriller than outright horror. That’s why I was so excited about 2016 and what we’ve seen on 2017. A new dark comedy with some thrills that I’d recommend is I Don’t Feel at Home in This World Anymore (2017), which won the jury prize at Sundance and came out on Netflix this week.

          You may hate these if you hated Goodnight Mommy, but two head-trippy indie thrillers I’d recommend are Berberian Sound Studio (2013) and The One I Love (2014). The former is a riff on giallos and the later is maybe more sci-fi. The One I Love is free on Amazon Prime right now, fyi. Those are very different movies. If you want a darker, meaner version of The One I Love that is equally head-trippy, I’d recommend Enemy (2014). Again, you might hate all those.

          My favorite underseen indie zombie film of the last little while is Pontypool (2008). That one is on Netflix right now.

          It’s hard to recommend like this because I don’t know what you’ve seen, you’ve seen so much, and an It Follows doesn’t come around too often.

          • The One I love – I really enjoyed this one when I saw it a few years ago. This is exactly my wheelhouse. And I adore Mark Duplass! Did you see Digging for Fire (2015). If you liked The One I Love, you’d prob like this one as well. Goodbye World was a good one too. These movies have nothing similar plotwise, just the feeling I got while watching them.

            Loved Pontypool.

            Loved Enemy! This movie was one of my favorite Gyllenhaul movies. (I hated Nocturnal Animals.)

            I just watched Berberian Sound Studio a few months ago and I really liked it.

            Have you seen The Kingdom? It was a mini series by Lars Von Trier. I pretty much love everything by him.

            I am super excited about I Don’t Feel at Home in This World Anymore.

            I didn’t watch Mercy yet. I was unsure which Mercy you were talking about. I got it now though. I am watching Estranged at the moment and it is entertaining but not incredible.

            Thanks for the suggestions. At least I got one to add to my watchlist. I think I watch too many movies!

            One more movie for you which I really loved was Aloys. It’s more of a fantastical drama but it gave me the feels. You guys should do more top ten lists that cross over genres!

          • You’ve got such good taste! I guess I think that because it agrees with mine. Haha

            Okay. What about The Alchemist Cookbook, did you see that?

            I also loved The One I Love and I love Duplass too. Yes, I absolutely loved Digging for Fire. I have not liked Joe Swanberg as a director for most of his career, but he started winning me over with Drinking Buddies and Happy Christmas and finally nailed it with Digging for Fire. I’m a big Jake Johnson fan, though. These are the kinds of movies that we talk about on Movie Stream Cast. Or try to.

            Okay … how about Time Crimes? Have you seen that? Or Upstream Color? I really like both of those. Kind of creepy sci-fi thrillers that are in the ballpark of these films.

            I have not seen Lars Von Treir’s The Kingdom, though I own the U.S. version on DVD. I’m a big fan of Lars Von Trier, but I prefer the films in the middle of his career to his earliest or most recent. Dogville and Dancer in the Dark are probably my two favorites. I reviewed Nymphomaniac on Movie Podcast Weekly.

            Let me know if you like Mercy. Yes, there are a lot of films with that name. This is the Netflix original from the writer of ATM and Buried.

          • Upstream Colors is moved up on my watch list. (I swear I have a life, but I do a lot of baking and usually have a movie going on my laptop while I am waiting for things to finish.

            Time Crimes- I really liked this one. It reminded me of a 70s movie, which is what I think they were going for. I think this was recommended by someone after I said I like Kill List although I cannot see any similarities between the two.

            Alchemists Cookbook- This one didn’t wow me. For me it was too slow for what it was.

            Here are some recs for you…

            Aloys 2016
            Moon 2009
            Resolution 2012
            The Conspiracy 2012
            Queen of Earth 2015
            Body 2015

            (You’ve probably seen most of them.)

            And I added your other podcast to my stream. Can’t wait.

          • Projectile Varmint–You hated Nocturnal Animals? Wow, our taste are very similar, so this surprises me. I LOVE it! It’s a 10/10 for me!

          • Thank you for the recommendations! I’ve seen some of them.

            -Aloys 2016 – Never heard of it. Sounds interesting. Added to my list.

            -Moon 2009 – I liked it okay. I wasn’t quite as blown away as other people seemed to be.

            -Resolution 2012 – Loved it! I just mentioned it on this very episode! Haha. The directors were on our awards jury.

            -The Conspiracy 2012 – Enjoyed it quite a bit.

            -Queen of Earth 2015 – Haven’t seen it! Love Patrick Fugit, like Elisabeth Moss, and have a bit of a crush on Katherine Waterston, so this should be fun.

            -Body 2015 – This was is already on my list, but I’ll bump it up. Looks like a blast.

            Thanks so much for the recommendations! Don’t worry. I’m not judging you. I end up doing a lot of mindless film editing work and log a lot of movie watching hours when I’m doing that.

            You might want to try some of these Movie Stream Cast reviews:

            Digging For Fire (I did a list of my favorite mumble core films at the time)

            Nightcrawler (My favorite Gyllenhaal, maybe tied with Enemy)

            The Guest (also discussed my favorite ’90s thrillers)

        • PV, check out Arise from Darkness. It’s a highly experimental indie flick that affected me greatly. I’ve already recommended it to Josh, so maybe he’ll talk about it on the show soon.

      • I can’t understand how someone can think Anya Taylor Joy is overrated, but went nuts over Imogen Poots. To each their own, I suppose.

      • This might be the most difficult movie to discuss without giving anything away! I will say that there were both obvious social commentaries and subtle ones as well. Movies like this make me want you guys to have a show where you discuss a movie in-depth.

        The premise of the movie was original without relying on a plot twist to make it that way. The characters were well-rounded when they had to be and flat when in suited the overall plot.

        The pace was slow to start but worked. I feel like they packed A LOT into the last 15 minutes which I think would have worked better if they drew it out a bit more.

        Was it Jay that mentioned a few episodes ago if there was going to be a horror movie about the incidents of racial police brutality. I think this movie is proof that horror can have a deeper message than what appears on the surface. 8.5/10
        (I think the way they portrayed the family wasn’t over the top enough.)


          Interesting… I like what you’re saying about drawing that third act out a bit. That was my least favorite part, but I think I might have enjoyed it more if it were more even throughout.

          What do you mean that the family wasn’t over-the-top enough? That they should have looked crazier sooner or that they should have gone further in the end? Or something else?

          I also like what you are saying about both obvious and subtle social commentaries. Want to hear more of your ideas about that!

          We always try to dig into the films a bit. Do you mean spoilers? I think film warrants a special spoiler section at the end of the show. I’m going to push for that.

          We’ve talked about that a lot, the current racial climate being explored in horror. Dave and I are actually working on a script together that touches on it. Shhh. Don’t tell anyone.

          • SPOILERS>>>>>>>>

            I think they should have made the family even more over the top in a grossly satirical way. For instance, when he is playing with the lacrosse stick at the end perhaps it could have been a croquet mallet. Ya know, something completely, white, New England old money. And when the daughter is eating froot loops doing her internet search, they could have eluded to her masturbating to the pics. Just completely over the top.

            And for some of the messages I took away from the film…. They took this deeply sensitive, compassionate man and turned him into the antithesis of who he was. (Like how stereotypes literally work.) They turned him into the angry black man “the beast”. It was the actions of the family that made him this way. And, it’s almost like they were happy about that, like “I told you so.” Even when the daughter is dying at the end she is smiling. I took that as her way of saying, I am still better than you even though I am about to die. I still have the control. It’s only when she realizes she has lost control after his friend arrives does she stop smiling and die.

            And I thought the movie was a modern take on slavery. Even when the “grandma” and “grandpa” were “back” they were still put in the subservient roles as the “help”. I mean if everyone knew what was going on, then the family surely didn’t have to pretend they weren’t who they were. It’s almost like they knew they were the grandma and grandpa but still couldn’t accept that they didn’t have to play a charade anymore because of the color of their skin. And the slavery theme is obvious in the “white man” stealing the minds of the captors. And by knowing that there is still a sliver of the original consciousness left they are fine with that, making it that much worse.

            This is all from a one-time watching. I would have to see it again to really delve deeper into the meaning of the film and the imagery and symbolism. It wasn’t everything I was hoping for but it was pretty darn good. I will stick by my 8.5/10

          • *****Spoilers for Get Out******

            I didn’t think Chris was turned into a “beast” through the killings in the end. Is that what you’re saying PV (can I use PV too)? I took it more as him becoming the hero and I had a blast watching him kill everyone! It had a revenge-flick feel at the end. Loved this film! Thanks for sharing your thoughts.

          • I just wanted to respond directly to a few things PV mentioned. SPOILERS FOR GET OUT TO FOLLOW…

            PV said: “I think they should have made the family even more over the top in a grossly satirical way. For instance, when he is playing with the lacrosse stick at the end perhaps it could have been a croquet mallet. Ya know, something completely, white, New England old money. And when the daughter is eating froot loops doing her internet search, they could have eluded to her masturbating to the pics. Just completely over the top.”

            I disagree with this point because I think it would have changed the tone and focus of the movie. It seemed to me that Peele wanted to represent the African-American experience in a very real way, and that is always the focus of the film. Making the family more over-the-top would have made the horror more satirical and drive more of the focus toward this Caucasian family. What they were doing was horrific enough.

            PV said: “And for some of the messages I took away from the film…. They took this deeply sensitive, compassionate man and turned him into the antithesis of who he was. (Like how stereotypes literally work.) They turned him into the angry black man “the beast”. It was the actions of the family that made him this way. And, it’s almost like they were happy about that, like “I told you so.” Even when the daughter is dying at the end she is smiling. I took that as her way of saying, I am still better than you even though I am about to die. I still have the control. It’s only when she realizes she has lost control after his friend arrives does she stop smiling and die.”

            That’s an interesting take. I did not interpret the ending that way at all. I didn’t think he turned into the beast, or even that the family was happy about his defiance. I thought they wanted him to be as submissive as possible, which is why they did all they could to try and make him feel comfortable (we even learn in the recording he’s shown that the process of the coagula is more successful when the “subject” acquiesces). And the beast never really emerged. All of his actions were in the interest of self-preservation. Even at the very end, he stopped choking Rose because, at that point, he didn’t need to kill her and just couldn’t do it. As far as her smile during that moment… wow, that was a great moment, and I think it can be interpreted so many different ways. I’m still not entirely sure what I think it means, but I lean towards it being her trying to beguile Chris in the interest of saving her own life. In other words, I read her emotion there as being more “charming” than “twisted,” but I’ll want to re-watch before making a firm interpretation.

            I guess in that way I agree that it was her still trying to exercise control over him.

            PV said: “And I thought the movie was a modern take on slavery. Even when the “grandma” and “grandpa” were “back” they were still put in the subservient roles as the “help”. I mean if everyone knew what was going on, then the family surely didn’t have to pretend they weren’t who they were. It’s almost like they knew they were the grandma and grandpa but still couldn’t accept that they didn’t have to play a charade anymore because of the color of their skin. And the slavery theme is obvious in the “white man” stealing the minds of the captors. And by knowing that there is still a sliver of the original consciousness left they are fine with that, making it that much worse.”

            My thought was that they typically live as “grandma” and “grandpa” except when outsiders are around. The charade was purely for Chris. Maybe Walter helps with housework considering his body’s youth and strength, but I never thought he was legitimately the “groundskeeper.” We only see them while Chris is around, though, so there’s no way to really know.

            As far as your slavery take, yes! That is slavery and racism taken to the absolute extreme. The White mind enslaving the Black body with the purpose of exploiting their “genetic, physical advantages.” Afterall, the only part of their brain that is “necessary” is the part that controls the body’s movement and functions, and the rest of the brain, the part that essentially makes us who we are as individual people—our thoughts, emotions, personality, etc—is replaced. Wow. I mean, talk about reducing an entire race of people down to their base cultural ideals.

      • Saw “Get Out” and really enjoyed it. Will definitely be interested to hear what you guys thought of it.

        Also, not sure if you’ve picked up on this yet, but this story is gaining some traction on social media. Despite coming in at #1 for the weekend with $31 Million (that’s $11+ Million more than the LEGO Batman movie that—in its second week of release—was supposed to win the weekend handily), “Get Out” isn’t mentioned so much as once in the body of Forbes’ weekend box office write-up (link below). There’s just a single reference to it at the bottom of the article in the box office graphic.

        So you have a movie written and directed by an African American filmmaker featuring as its core theme the African American experience. This is not to mention the fact that it entertains a 100% fresh rating on Rotten Tomatoes, which is nigh impossible for movies in the horror genre.

        Rather telling and sad, if you ask me.


        • I am happy that it is getting so much attention. Hopefully this will start a trend for others to take horror more seriously. I hope it continues to do well and elicit conversations. I know that me and my friends talked about it a lot after we left the theater.

          In my comment above I didn’t mean that the main character was turned into a beast in a bad way, but that he was empowered with that strength and will that the son mentioned he inherently owned when he was describing how his race was physically superior. (Sorry about all the “main character” and “son” references. I have a horrible memory and can’t ever remember names!)

  6. Great episode and interesting debate. As fantastic as Horror was in 2016, I feel it was a great year all round. Moonlight, Lion, Manchester by the sea, and La La Land were masterpieces and deserve everything they get on Sunday. That being said, I do agree The Witch, Wailing, under the shadow, and Train to Busan deserved some love. It could be argued that The Witch being released as far back as a week after last years Oscars hurt it’s chances. However, The ‘main’ categories for this year are spot on IMO. Hacksaw Ridge for best film the only exception. But hey ho it’s all about politics anyway.

    • I agree that Hacksaw Ridge was a suspect nomination for Best Picture. I would also argue that Hidden Figures, while very strong and containing a great “feel good” story, wasn’t really deserving. At least not compared to some foreign offerings, like The Wailing and The Handmaiden.

      But, that’s the Oscars! In the end, I think Moonlight was a deserving winner, so all is good.

      • I really enjoyed Hidden Figures, some scenes really hit me, and felt the performances were brilliant…well except bazinga. Although I agree not as impactful as Moonlight or my personal favourite Lion. Wonder whether Korea submitted The Wailing for foreign category. The UK’s submission was Under The Shadow. I think the problem with foreign films is meeting the ‘criteria’. For example, I know in Glasgow it had a one and done release.

  7. Hollywood shuns horror and genre films for the same reason that bookstores shun fantasy and genre books and the same reason Metallica lost the best heavy metal album to Jethro Tull… because the “mainstream” believes that movies should either reflect contemporary drama with a seemingly “mature” sensibility. Its the idea that art belongs to the “intellectual” and the “elite” and that anything that appeals to the “masses” is low and, at best, quaint. It’s a strange sort of dismissal in that the idea is that these genre’s are naturally “less than”. There’s a certain degree of arrogance in the films picked and it shouldn’t be a surprise that many of the films released at this tie are specifically geared toward Oscar and award nominations… these are the “art” films of Hollywood.

    And with that said, even most of the “independent” movies made aren’t really all that independent. They’re backed by shell corporations of major motion pictures and they get distribution deals on the back end. Even this years darling, “Moonlight” started as a stageplay before being adapted for the screen. And it was funded by Plan B, which is Brad Pitt’s company.

    The Awards shows are largely predictable and overly produced spectacles of back patting for what is, essentially, a very formulaic series of films who are fit in to a specific mold.

    As for the pics here… I’ll be honest, I just felt it was largely a rehash of the top ten list earlier last month and didn’t see anything to agree or disagree with. Anyway, that’s my personal take.

    • I agree with much of what you said but cannot for the life of me understand why so many people liked La La Land and it got so many nominations! This film was far from artsy. I thought it was a mediocre musical with some A list actors. If you take the big names away, would this film has gotten as much praise?

  8. A Cure For Wellness”

    Gore Verbinsky returns to the horror genre with this mind-bending tale. The film centers around a treatment center in Sweden where the rich and ailing travel for long term treatments. Dane Dehaan stars as Lockhart, a young executive sent to retrieve the company’s CEO from the center. Once there, he finds that the patients seem entirely satisfied to remain and convincing the CEO to leave may be a difficult proposition. Things become further complicated when a car crash forces Lockhart to remain in the center where he experiences the Center’s treatment plan as prescribed by the mysterious Dr. Volmer.

    Of course we know nothing is quite what it seems. Lockhart meets a number of patients at the center who raise the young executives suspicion. An elderly woman obsessed with mysteries, a successful pair of venture capitalists who seem far too happy to remain far from their business, the suspicious townspeople, and a young girl who seems to be a “special case” for Dr.Volmer. When the treatment begins to result in strange delusions, Lockhart races to piece together the mystery of the Center.

    Well, “races” is a subjective term here… Verbinsky is entirely too indulgent with his direction for the film and the story seems to stretch far beyond it’s capacity. At nearly two and a half hours, the film could easily shed around thirty minutes or more and maintain a much smoother narrative structure. As it is, the films momentum often sputters to a stop just when things are getting good. Dehaan is a fantastic actor, but he is often saddled with too many scenes that establish a lack of sympathy we should have for him.

    With allusions to Lovecraft and the gothic style of classic Hammer Films, “A Cure For Wellness” can be an enjoyable ride for fans of the genre.

    6 out of 10. Moderate recommendation.

    • I actually thought that the pacing and length of A Cure for Wellness worked in favor of the film. Usually I hate when a movie drags on but there were scenes in this one that seemed to purposefully drag on. Things would ramp up and get really good then suddenly sputter for a bout 20 minutes. For me, this helped put me in the mindset of Lockhart’s character. Time becomes a warped concept after awhile and it adds a layer of confusion as to how quickly or slowly events unravel.

      • I think it would have worked just fine if similar clues/cues weren’t repeated 2/3/4 times. Verbinsky seemed afraid that the audience would miss what was going on, and that’s the film’s biggest downfall imo.

        And that ending… that was horrible.

        **********SPOILERS FOR A CURE FOR WELLNESS**********

        I wish the movie had ended with Dehaan’s character sitting on that bench, staring out at the mountains with his blank eyes, rather than continuing on to become a ridiculous superhero/monster movie.

    • I really was highly anticipating this film. Sad to see you only gave it a 6/10

      I will absolutely see it anyhow but had to see Get Out first.

      • That’s awesome.

        Narges Rashidi and Kika Magalhaes, the lead actresses in Under the Shadow and The Eyes of My Mother, thanked us for their nominations on Twitter. As did Richard Brake for 31 and Wes Robinson for Blair Witch. Also the screenwriter of I Am Not a Serial Killer and the director of The Love Witch. Kate Seigel from Hush at least liked the tweet and Fede Alvarez retweeted one. So, it’s nice to know they are aware of the awards. Hopefully more awareness next year.

    • You haven’t heard of the Indie Spirit Awards or the Best First Feature and Best First Screenplay awards? Indie Spirit awards are a big deal for people in my world. More street cred than an Oscar. 😉

  9. All this talk of Get Out has me REALLY wanting to see it as soon as possible. I know some of the underlying themes by reading interviews with Mister Peele, and it reminds me so much of that old Langston Hughes story “Slave On the Block.” I’m all set to record a segment for HORROR CORRIDOR examining these themes, but it won’t come out for a bit. Can’t wait to see it.

    • Can you give us a little Horror Corridor spoiler and tell us what “some of the underlying themes” are? It’s all running rampant in my head at the moment. I almost want to watch it a second time before we review the film on Wednesday. I hate reviewing these new release films so quickly before I have time to process them.

      • **********SPOILERS FOR GET OUT**********

        Get Out is chock full of imagery and themes that convey the African-American experience. It is all deftly handled. Many of them are obvious, like the references to Tiger Woods and Obama, but many more require a bit more consideration by the viewer.

        One of my favorite things about Get Out is that it takes some historical cultural beliefs and turns them on their head. For example, the notion of the “exotic” African-American woman bewitching the innocent Caucasian man is turned around brilliantly by having the Caucasian woman seduce the innocent African-American man. This is incredibly smart commentary, subverting a cultural stereotype in an indirect way.

        Wolfman, I’m surprised to hear that you didn’t love the ending of the film and I’m curious to hear why not. For me, it took the over-arching theme of the African-American experience up to 100 in a clever way—marginalizing an entire culture and reducing them to their base stereotyped ideals. The notion that the only part of the brain that is needed is the part that controls the central nervous system (the body functions) and the rest of the brain, controlling the thoughts, ideals, personality, identity, etc are removed for their own is absolutely horrifying. It’s slavery taken to the absolute extreme, with the White “owner” enslaving the Black body.

        I love that the movie didn’t pull any punches. I love that it went there.

        • Great observations, Dino. I didn’t even think about the twist on the seduction angle. I’m curious what issues Josh had with the ending as well.

          I really loved this movie. Can’t wait to see what Jordan Peele does next.

          • I have to confess that the “twist on the seduction angle” came from my wife. She’s a psychologist who has spent years studying cultural identities, and discussing this movie with her has made me love it even more than I did initially. It’s such a complex and rich movie; there’s much more than meets the eye.

            I really hope it gets some Oscar buzz next year. 😉

      • Sorry for not replying sooner, Josh. I’m just now seeing this message. I’m afraid to read the (certainly insightful) things that Dino has contributed to this thread because of spoilers. I still haven’t seen Get Out much to my chagrin, but Josh, you asked for some Horror Corridor spoilers, so here’s where I hope to go with my own review…

        According to lead actor, Daniel Kaluuya (and to The Guardian) the conflict in this film revolves around upper-middle-class white Liberal racism. Not something we see tackled terribly often when dealing with such sensitive topics as these. Because of this peculiarity, I’m pumped more than ever to see this film in the next couple days. Anyway… in 1933, the great Langston Hughes wrote an amazing short story all about this very same thing. It’s called “Slave On the Block,” and I can all but guarantee that Jordan Peele knows this story backward and forward. “Slave On the Block” is a story that centers on a sort of well-meaning, yet patronizing, implicit racism that comes from those of the more Liberal political persuasion.

        I could go on, but Josh… check out this excerpt from an article about Get Out from The Guardian. I think it will give you an idea of some of the themes that are embedded in the film. The article reads:

        “The villains here aren’t southern rednecks or neo-Nazi skinheads, or the so-called ‘alt-right.’ They’re middle-class white liberals. The kind of people who read this website. The kind of people who shop at Trader Joe’s, donate to the ACLU and would have voted for Obama a third time if they could. Good people. Nice people. Your parents, probably. The thing Get Out does so well – and the thing that will rankle with some viewers – is to show how, however unintentionally, these same people can make life so hard and uncomfortable for black people. It exposes a liberal ignorance and hubris that has been allowed to fester. It’s an attitude, an arrogance which in the film leads to a horrific final solution, but in reality leads to a complacency that is just as dangerous.’

        I can tell I’m already going to like this film.

        • I also should say that I’ve seen this type of well-meaning, yet patronizing, implicit racism in action a thousand times. Half my family is Polynesian, and my mom is a super dark brown lady! Well… I can’t tell you how many times (white) people would approach my mother to more or less innocently ask her: “What are you?” or “Where are you from?” or “What do you people think of…” or my personal favorite… “Shouldn’t you be living on the Indian Reservation?”

          Maybe another time, I’ll talk about some funny (and sometimes not so funny) stories that I saw my black homies go through that the above Guardian article so well describes. Crazy stuff.

  10. This awards show is tailored to my tastes! I saw all of the films nominated for a Horror Cinema Award but I’ve only seen 3 that were nominated for an Oscar this year. I can’t believe you got all of that done in 2 weeks, nice job Wolfman! Though, I’d love to have the nominations ahead of time so I anticipate the awards and maybe throw down some bets. :)

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  12. Great show, fellas. Loved the idea and the execution, especially considering how quickly it all came together. I hope this gains some traction and becomes a thing moving forward. Now we just need the awards to get a catchy nickname, like the Ghosties or something, and you’ll be set.

    As was mentioned towards the end, I did submit a few comments on the categories I felt more strongly about. Please pardon the pretension!…

    Best Actor in a Leading Role – Itay Tiran, DEMON

    I fear Itay Tiran won’t receive the recognition he deserves for his turn in DEMON because not enough people will have seen the film, but his portrayal of a groom who is battling demons during his wedding was the most haunting performance of the year. Tiran’s ability to convey his horrific struggle in the midst of laughter and joy is nothing short of brilliant. Whether we believe the demon he is fighting is supernatural or psychological, his character’s swift downward spiral into hopeless despair on what should have been the happiest day of his life will linger in your mind long after the movie ends.

    Best Actor in a Supporting Horror Role – Hwang Jung-Min, THE WAILING

    I wouldn’t normally go for flashy performances, but Hwang Jung-Min’s portrayal as the shaman Il-gwang in THE WAILING was too good to ignore. His over-the-top act during the exorcism scene will be what catches most people’s eye, but it was his ability to help keep the viewer in the dark of his true intentions that impressed me most. His only equal in a supporting role this year was co-star Jun Kunimura, whose performance as the Japanese Man was arguably the most unsettling of the year.

    Best Actress in a Leading Horror Role – Narges Rashidi, UNDER THE SHADOW

    An argument could be made that no horror film depended on the performance of a single actor as much as UNDER THE SHADOW relied on Narges Rashidi. Her portrayal of a mother trying to save her daughter, and herself, from a mysterious evil that is haunting their home carries what was, by most accounts, one of the better horror films of the year.

    Best Adapted Horror Screenplay – Eric Heisserer, LIGHTS OUT

    Criticism of Diana’s backstory be damned, turning a sub-3:00 short film with a super simple concept into a highly engaging full-length feature is nothing short of miraculous.

    Best Art Direction and Production Design – TALE OF TALES

    Literally every shot of TALE OF TALES is either a beautiful vista or a striking set design. The image of Salma Hayek’s Queen of Longtrellis wearing a black dress while sitting on a black chair in a stark white room, eating a giant red heart is one of the most memorable images in all of 2016 cinema. THE NEON DEMON certainly has lots of super interesting visual flourishes and colorful displays, but it also has a lot of ordinary moments. TALE OF TALES has no warts.

    Best Costume Design – Linda Muir, THE WITCH

    Linda Muir’s costuming in THE WITCH isn’t eye-catching or dramatic, but it is perfect for the setting and time of the story.

    Best Practical Effects – THE MIND’S EYE

    Just like with DEMON, I fear THE MIND’S EYE won’t get the recognition it deserves simply because the film has flown under the radar. But the practical effects achieved in the film were nothing short of astonishing. Not only are they technically impressive, but they were achieved on a shoe-string budget. Though it’s not part of the Scanners franchise, it’s certainly a worthy successor to the original film’s iconic and brilliant exploding head.

    Best Visual (CGI) Effects – GHOSTBUSTERS

    Perhaps the movie that surprised me most this year, GHOSTBUSTERS relied on CGI more than most (if not all) horror films in 2016. And those ghost effects are all done with an insane amount of detail and skill, making for a fun and beautiful movie.

    Best Original Score – Marcin Macuk and Krzysztof Penderecki, DEMON

    This was such a strong category this year, with a good mix of awesome synth scores from THE MIND’S EYE and I AM NOT A SERIAL KILLER to classical masterpieces from THE WITCH and THE CONJURING 2. But the standout from 2016 has to be Marcin Macuk and Krzysztof Penderecki’s original score for DEMON. Haunting from the very beginning, the score for DEMON is not only masterful, but succeeds in setting the tone for the film more than any other horror film this year. For having such an odd mix of humor, joy, confusion and despair, the score informs the viewer of the film’s intentions and harrowing message.

    Breakout Horror Performance – Anya Taylor Joy, THE WITCH

    Several excellent contenders this year, but ATJ gets the nod from me for using her turn in THE WITCH to launch a series of excellent appearances in other genre films such as MORGAN and SPLIT. Hopefully we get to see more of her in horror in the future.

    Best Horror Ensemble – 10 CLOVERFIELD LANE

    Essentially a three-hander for most of the film, 10 CLOVERFIELD LANE doesn’t have a weak performance in it.

    Best Horror Film of 2016 – THE WAILING


    THE WITCH or GREEN ROOM will likely be the popular vote, but the best horror film of 2016 is THE WAILING. Hopefully enough people saw it to give a fighting chance.

    • You already know that even though some of our votes overlapped, overall we voted quite differently. There’s definitely a case to be made for most of your choices, but I take a slight issue with one of your arguments. In the best actress in a leading role category you say: “An argument could be made that no horror film depended on the performance of a single actor as much as UNDER THE SHADOW relied on Narges Rashidi.” I’m not so sure that’s the case. In my opinion, Kika Magalhaes is an equally good or better choice. Not only did The Eyes of My Mother depend on her performance, she WAS the movie. Not to take anything away from your choice, because she is very deserving of the nod and even a win.

      • I completely agree. In fact, the vote for me came down to the two of them. In the end, I preferred Narges Rashidi’s performance because I felt she had the more difficult task of playing a normal person struggling with some real and/or imagined horrors as opposed to a psychopath.

    • I was pleasantly surprised to see how many horror films won oscars over the years. Sure, a lot of horror films are overlooked but a lot of genre films in general are overlooked. There are so many films and more being made all the time that the academy can’t possibly keep up with everything. This panel was great because they specifically understand the horror genre.

      As horror fans, I don’t think we should expect the Academy to be knowledgable about horror films. It’s a fringe genre because of the disturbing content (I think Josh said something like that on the show). It SHOULD be a genre that turns people away, and that’s partly what makes it great for horror fans. I think horror is very popular right now and always has been. It’s just hard to compare horror to mainstream or popular blockbusters because they’re different on so many levels. If an average movie watcher sees 1 or 2 horror films a year, I think that’s pretty good.

  13. Finally getting to see some of the great films of 2016. Watched 10 Cloverfield Lane and Last Train to Busan this weekend. I thought John Goodman was fantastic, and I enjoyed the movie, but I have to admit, I am getting tired of supposedly normal people turning into weapons experts, martial artists, and survivalists.

    I also enjoyed Last Train. A bit typical in the zombie sub genre- the real story is how horrible the living are to each other. Some fantastic characters and the daughter absolutely tore my heart out at the end.

    Next up: I Am Not a Serial Killer, The Wailing and Autopsy of Jane Doe

      • Watched I Am Not a Serial Killer and The Wailing. Enjoyed both, and had issues with both. The acting and atmosphere of Serial Killer was fantastic, but I was hoping for some other reason for the antagonist, which is tough to explain without spoilers. I did like the sweetness of the relationship between Christopher Lloyd’s character and his wife.

        The Wailing really fell victim to overhype for me. I didn’t like the slapstick elements much, but again the relationship between the father and daughter was really touching. Visually, the payoff at the end was great.

        Again, really enjoyed both films, but they did not pass The Witch as my top 2016 movie. Looking forward to seeing Autopsy of Jane Doe to see where that falls.

  14. Personally I think it’s due to a number of factors. As much as I adore 80s horror, I think that era of horror are did a lot to damage the credibility of the genre, in terms of general quality, the quantity of films that were thrown out and bad press.

    I still think those repercussions at are felt, but agree with many of the comments on this board and within the HMP discussion around why horror is regularly overlooked.

    Completely off the subject, but I’ve been reading ‘The Ghouls’ which I picked up from a charity shop a couple of weeks ago:


    Excellent book with stories that inspired movies like The Fly, Freaks, Phantom of the Opera, The Beast with Five Fingers and Black Sunday from some of the greatest horror/sci-fi authors.

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    • I’m excited. Going to John Wick tonight, Logan this weekend, and Kong next week. There are very exciting looking studio releases coming out first part of the year.

  16. Sorry to commenting on this episode so late but i just want to say that I was truly honoured to be asked to participate in these awards and could not be happier with the results.

    Also, I’m super stoked that Jay liked The Wailing. He’s a hard critic to predict and I just could not figure out if it was one of those films that he would inexplicably hate or if he’d be able to appreciate it and I’m so glad it turned out to be the latter.

  17. Hello. Just wanted to introduce myself. I got hooked on this podcast listening to the slasher specials. You guys brought back so many memories for me and reminded me of movies I had forgotten all about. It was so awesome listening to you all discuss movies I havent seen in over 30 years. I don’t know about you all but I live in a horror drought. Meaning neither my wife or kids want anything to do with horror. Neither do any of my friends so I have to slink away like a crackhead looking for a fix to watch horror. So, I is so awesome to hear people discussing movies I love and care about. Please keep up the good work and thank you so much for putting this podcast out there. Anyway, here is my top ten so you can get an idea of who I am.

    1. Friday the 13th
    2. Texas Chainsaw Massacre
    3. Halloween
    4. Dawn of the Dead
    5. The Funhouse
    6.Evil Dead 2
    7. Alien
    8. Black Christmas
    9. Friday the 13th part 3
    10. The Conjuring


    • Thanks for listening, Pale Horse. I think a lot of us are in the same situation where we don’t have a lot of people in our regular lives with interest in horror. That’s the beauty of the internet.

      Judging by your Top 10, you might enjoy our franchise reviews of Friday the 13th and Halloween and the coverage of the Alien franchise with the folks at The Sci Fi Podcast.

      We’ve got a good group here and on social media. Thanks for getting involved! We’d love to hear more from you in the future. Except with regard to The Babadook [wink].

      • Thanks Josh. I already burned through the Friday the 13th and Halloween franchise podcasts. Is a Texas Chainsaw franchise review in the future? That would be awesome. So you are a Babadook fan? Haha no problem. That’s the cool thing about movies. No two people are the same with the movies they like. Same with music. I am happy I came out of the shadows to say hi. Nice to meet you and have a great weekend.

    • Welcome to the comments, PALE HORSE. Like Wolfman said, a lot of us are in the same boat as you, so we feel your pain.

      I like your top 10 list, and I like seeing The Funhouse on there. I remember the first time I saw that movie was during AMC Fear Fest. Definitely a good time.

      • Oh, forgot to mention that there’s a place on the website where a bunch of us have shared and discussed our top 10 lists. The hosts’ top 10s are there, too. If you are interested, you can repost your top 10 list there.

        Here’s the link >> https://horrormoviepodcast.com/horror-movie-podcast-our-top-10-all-time-favorite-horror-movie-picks/

        Also, if you haven’t listened to episodes 1 and 2 of the podcast yet and don’t want the hosts’ top 10 lists spoiled then just go directly to the comments and skip past the blog post section at that link

        • Hello Dino. Nice to meet you. The Funhouse is just a great atmospheric horror movie. Carnivals are so fun and creepy at the same time. That movie captures that so well. The horror things is real too. There are those that love it and those that hate it. I have two boys. My oldest is twelve and I have tried to steer him towards horror and he wants NOTHING to do with it. Now there is hope for my 8 year old he overheard me listening to one of the Friday the 13th podcasts and came running in saying he wanted to watch it! Of course I had to say no but someday we will. Thank you for saying hi and for the welcome. Have a great weekend.

          • That’s funny. I have two boys, too—7 and 1. My 7 y/o seems interested in horror, but it still scares him. Last October he started getting into Goosebumps, and now he’s deep into Scooby-Doo. I’m going to start a Universal Monsters marathon (a blindspot of mine), and he’s going to join me. Hopefully he likes them and this horror thing sticks.

            You may already know this, but HMP recently did a kid’s horror episode that might be of interest for you. Might help in your quest to gain a little horror buddy and, at the very least, is a fun nostalgic trip down memory lane.

            Here’s a link to that show >> https://horrormoviepodcast.com/horror-movie-podcast-ep-097-horror-movies-for-little-monsters/

  18. Thanks, Pale Horse, for posting your introduction. I realize now that I should have done this too. I have been watching horror films for a long time- since the 80’s. I feel like we are in a renaissance of well-made movies, with great actors and plot. My top ten movies, in no particular order, are:
    Something Wicked This Way Comes
    The Changeling
    The Shining
    A Nightmare on Elm Street

    For newer movies, I really enjoyed The Conjuring and The Conjuring 2, I thought The Witch was an amazing movie, and cannot wait to see The Wailing, when I have enough time to watch it. I am a big fan of Asian horror, although torture stuff, like Guinea Pig series, doesn’t appeal to me.

    This podcast is really motivating me to see as much horror cinema as I can, and I hope to send in my own top 10 for 2017. I know it’s early, but I think The Girl With All the Gifts will make the list.

    Love the podcast and love the community!!

    • And I agree that The Girl With All the Gifts was a strong movie, and it definitely has a solid chance of making my end of year top 10, too. Right now, I only have Get Out ahead of it.

      If you like Asian horror and have a predilection to atmosphere over the more gratuitous stuff, then I recommend checking out Creepy. David recommended it to me, and I’m glad he did—it certainly lives up to its name. That’s another movie that has a chance of making my end of year top 10 list.

    • Hello Dave. I love your list! Very unique. Nice to meet you. Magic sounds familiar. I need to look that one up. I love hearing about movies that I may not have seen. I saw “Curtains” for the first time thanks to the podcast. That’s why it’s so awesome when there are varied tastes.

    • Oh yeah! The one with the creepy doll. I think I saw this way back when in the early 80’s. I will have to watch it again. It just made my “To Watch” list. Haha.

  19. I just finished this episode in the car today and I could not be happier with the results of the awards. All of these movies were so solid and are deserving of the credit it is being presented with.
    Thanks guys! Hope you continue doing this kind of thing :)

  20. Hoping to hear you talk about I Don’t Feel at Home in This House Anymore in some capacity, guys. I know Wolfman mentioned it in passing, but I think it deserves further discussion, given how much you guys liked Green Room. I’m really hoping it gets the same attention that that movie got. I think it took inspiration from Blue Ruin and pulled it off better, and while it was less gritty than Green Room, I enjoyed it just as much and found it just as engaging. Macon Blair and Jeremy Saulnier are something else.

  21. This was my first episode of the Horror Movie Podcast and I have to say I’m completely hooked. I listened to it last night at my college’s library and time flew by. You guys are awesome and I’m definitely gonna catch up on a lot of previous episodes, specially the franchise reviews, which I love.

    I’m at work now but I’m gonna make some quick comments about the nominees and winners.

    I didn’t even know about The Wailing (I’m in Brazil by the way) but I can’t wait to watch it now, gonna do it thursday. Pretty much all the others I’ve seen already and liked most of them.

    The Witch was for sure one of the best horror movies of the last few years. Watching it at the cinema was a terrifying experience. I loved 10 Cloverfield Lane and John Goodman’s performance. Don’t Breathe was awesome and full of tension, as was Green Room. Train to Busan was fun, although I wish they had more balls regarding the ending. The Invitation, The Autopsy of Jane Doe and Hush were great original movies, that together makes 2016 one of the best years of the decade for horror. I didn’t like Lights Out that much but I thought the lighting work was superb. As for Demon, I didn’t watch it yet but it was already on my radar.

    There’s a few other nominees that I didn’t know about in other categories and I’ll definitely catch up on them too.

    Anyway, thank you guys for the awesome show.

  22. Putting this here for posterity. Although I really thought Tickled was something special, I have now seen The Blackout Experiments and I will not be surprised if history judges us harshly for not making the latter our “Real Life Horror” award for this year. I just wanted everyone to know, I recognize that this is a possible snub. Damn. That doc was intense.

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