Horror Movie Podcast Ep. 027: Halloween (1978) and Halloween II (1981) and Halloween III: Season of the Witch (1982) – Part 1 of 5


It has been 13 months in the making, but finally as promised, here is the HORROR MOVIE PODCAST HALLOWEEN EXTRAVAGANZA… It’s a five-part series, where your hosts — and some great guests — cover the entire Halloween franchise in-depth, Horror Movie Podcast-style…

Episode 027 is a 4-hour and 53-minute part one of our five-part series and it features three films. First, Jay of the Dead and Wolfman Josh bring you an in-depth movie review of John Carpenter’s Halloween (1978) with the help of our fourth official co-host, KYLE “DR. WALKING DEAD” BISHOP.

Next Dr. Shock, Wolfman and Jay bring you a Feature Review of Rick Rosenthal’s Halloween II (1981), with the help of the original Creepture himself, GREGAMORTIS, host of the Land of the Creeps horror podcast.

And finally, Jay, Wolfman and Doc wrap up this epic episode by reviewing the ’80s oddity Halloween III: Season of the Witch (1982) with special guest KENNY “THE PUMPKIN KING” CAPERTON, director of indie horror film “Honeyspider” (2014) and owner of the Myers House NC. Also, be sure to enter our drawing to win a horror t-shirt, courtesy of Fright Rags. If you like what you hear, please subscribe. And thanks for listening.

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[ 0:04:55 ] I. Feature Review: HALLOWEEN (1978)
Jay of the Dead = 8.5 ( Buy it! )
Wolfman Josh = 10 ( Buy it! )
Dr. Walking Dead = 10 ( Buy it! )

— Welcome special guest GregaMortis

[ 1:51:52 ] Dr. Shock and GregaMortis weigh in on John Carpenter’s “Halloween” (1978).
Dr. Shock = 10 ( Buy it! )
GregaMortis = 10 ( Buy it! )

[ 1:58:00 ] II. Feature Review: HALLOWEEN II (1981) with special guest GregaMortis
Jay of the Dead = 8 ( Buy it! )
Wolfman Josh = 7 ( Buy it! )
Dr. Shock = 9 ( Buy it! )
GregaMortis = 9.5 ( Buy it! )

— Welcome special guest Kenny “The Pumpkin King” Caperton
— The Myers House NC

[ 3:37:31 ] III. Feature Review: HALLOWEEN III: SEASON OF THE WITCH (1982) with special guest Kenny Caperton
Jay of the Dead = 3 ( Avoid )
Wolfman Josh = 4.5 ( Buy it! )
Dr. Shock = 7.5 ( Buy it! )
The Pumpkin King = 9 ( Buy it! )

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JOIN US NEXT TIME ON HMP: Friday, October 10, 2014 — Ep. 028 – Halloween Extravaganza – Part 2 of 5:
Halloween 4: The Return of Michael Myers (1988)
Halloween 5: The Revenge of Michael Myers (1989)
Halloween: The Curse of Michael Myers (1995)

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Courtesy of Kenny Caperton: Horror Movies Set on Halloween

Links for GregaMortis:
Land of the Creeps horror podcast
GregaMortis on Facebook
On Twitter: @GregaMortis
GregaMortis on YouTube

Land of the Creeps’s coverage of the Halloween franchise:
Land of the Creeps gives a commentary on John Carpenter’s Halloween (1978)
Land of the Creeps covers: Halloween 2 and 3
Land of the Creeps covers: Halloween 4, 5 and 6
Land of the Creeps covers: Halloween H20 and Resurrection
Land of the Creeps covers: Rob Zombie’s Halloween 1 and 2 with special guest Tyler Mane

Links for Kenny Caperton:
Myers House NC.com
Details for the 6th Annual Halloween Bash 2014
Myers House NC on Facebook
Myers House NC on Twitter: @MyersHouseNC
Learn about Kenny’s horror movie: Honeyspider
Honeyspider on Facebook
Honeyspider on Twitter: @HoneyspiderFilm

Wolfman Josh’s links:
Wolfman on Twitter: @IcarusArts
Wolfman Josh covers new releases in theaters on: Movie Podcast Weekly
Wolfman covers movies streaming online on: Movie Stream Cast

Dr. Shock’s links:
Dr. Shock’s daily movie review Web site: DVD Infatuation.com
Dr. Shock on Twitter: @DVDinfatuation
Dr. Shock’s other horror podcast: Land of the Creeps

Jay of the Dead’s links:
Jay of the Dead and Horror Movie Podcast Official Twitter: @HorrorMovieCast
Jay of the Dead covers new releases in theaters on: Movie Podcast Weekly
And if you’d like to e-mail Jay of the Dead with a good Beastly Freaks recommendation: BeastlyFreaks@gmail.com

Dr. Walking Dead’s links:
Dr. Walking Dead on Twitter: @DrWalkingDead
Dr. Walking Dead’s books American Zombie Gothic and Triumph of The Walking Dead

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98 thoughts on “Horror Movie Podcast Ep. 027: Halloween (1978) and Halloween II (1981) and Halloween III: Season of the Witch (1982) – Part 1 of 5

  1. I received my Scream Factory Limited Edition Halloween Collection last week and I have been making my way through the films (just have Zombie’s movies left to watch).
    I am very much looking forward to these podcasts gentlemen.
    Thanks for taking the time and effort to put this together.

    The Dude

  2. Whoa, Jay your pushing the boat out a bit with that banner aren’t you! My eyes aren’t prepared for such an overload of visual stimuli when I visit horrormoviepodcast.com.

    Joking aside though, I’m an hour into this episode and I have to say that you fellows have out done yourselves already. This is the kind of in-depth exploration of themes and psychology that I absolutely love but is all too rare to hear on a horror podcast.

    And almost 5 hours just for the first part of your retrospective? You guys are the best.

    – David

  3. The Dude’s Scream Gems:

    Targets (1968)
    Director: Peter Bogdanovich
    Starring: Boris Karloff, Peter Bogdanovich, Tim O’Kelly
    Run Time: 90 Minutes


    IT IS NOW 11:40 A.M. MY WIFE


    Basic Plot:
    Aging horror movie star Byron Orlok (Boris Karloff) has just viewed his most recent picture. As the screening progresses it becomes quite apparent that Mr. Orlok is frustrated with the film, but it goes deeper than that. At the conclusion of the screening Mr. Orlok announces to the filmmakers that he is retiring from films; that his pictures simply can’t relate to the horrors of the modern day. As the studio executives process this news and Mr. Orlok makes plans for his retirement, a young Bobby Thompson (Tim O’Kelly) is introduced. He seems pleasant enough, but before long it becomes clear that he is fighting some inner demons. Bobby has loving, yet overbearing parents, and a young wife who adores him but he slow starts to become distant from his family. Before long Bobby has hatched a plan to murder his family and focuses his ever growing hatred on unsuspecting movie goers at a drive-in screening of Mr. Orlok’s latest film.

    The Dude’s Thoughts:
    In 1931 the world of cinema was introduced to actor William Henry Pratt. Some may not immediately recognize the name, but I guarantee that you are familiar with his work. That movie was James Whale’s macabre masterpiece Frankenstein and Mr. Pratt was working under his stage name, Boris Karloff. At the age of 44, Boris Karloff had finally earned his big break and for the next 37 years he would thrill audiences and earn his rightful place in Horror’s Hallowed Hall of Fame.

    Targets (1968) proved to be Mr. Karloff’s final American film and highlights the struggles of an aging actor dealing with a modern society and the evolution of horror. The world had changed significantly in the 37 years since Frankenstein was released. In 1931 the audience was horrified by the physical characteristics of The Monster. He was a hulking beast, stitched together from the parts of dead bodies and then brought back to life. By 1968 even Hammer Studios popularity was starting to wane after successfully recreating Universal’s formula 10 years earlier. The real horror was not found in the movie theatres, but on the front page of the newspapers and on the 6 o’clock news. The world was in the midst of the Vietnam War and the public was exposed to the real horror (of war) through news and other media outlets.

    Targets is not just a commentary on Vietnam either. There were local, home grown horrors that were impacting people as well. In 1965 Michael Andrew Clark shot and killed 3 people and wounded 10 others on Highway 101 in Santa Maria, California. The follow year Charles Whitman was responsible for the shooting deaths of 16 people and the wounding of 32 others. The films antagonist, Bobby Thompson is based on these two characters.

    Targets successful hits a nerve and asks the question, “what is the real horror in The World”. This is a debate that we as horror fans frequently find ourselves embroiled in. People ask us “How can we watch such garbage (horror movies)” and our response, or at least mine, is “How can you watch the news at night”.

    It would be negligent of me not to mention the producer of this film; Mr. Roger Corman. No doubt this is a name that any horror fan will recognize. Although Roger Corman has become well known for his cheap, hastily put together films, and despite Targets equally cheap budget it seems to float to the top of his resume. It is a movie that is very much self-aware. Its comments on society, the movie industry and the struggles for people to age gracefully in a modern society.

    Karloff gives us his typical great performance. He is also very self-aware and the viewer gets the sense that Karloff is simply playing Karloff. It is easily noted that Karloff is not well and that he struggles to even move around the set pieces, but he’s still Karloff and he’s still great. He became involved in this film because Roger Corman had him contracted for 2 days of work from a previous movie. Karloff liked the script so much that he actually stayed on for an additional 3 days of pro bono shooting.

    Peter Bogdanovich also gives a great performance as a young director; again in a very self-aware role. Bogdanovich not only acted and directed Targets, but provided the story and the bulk of the screenplay. Roger Corman insisted that he use stock footage from The Terror (1963) which Bogdanovich cleverly layers into this film.

    Targets proves to be a perfect storm of movie making. With the right script, director, actor and a number of other things, a movie can transcend itself. After nearly 50 years Targets does not feel dated and the themes of our ever changing society still hold up today.

    As Boris Karloff’s final American film, Targets is without a doubt Boris Karloff’s swan song. Thank you for the memories Mr. Pratt.

    Double Feature Recommendation:
    Pair this film with Karloff’s breakout performance in Frankenstein (1931) to bookend one of the most storied careers in horror movie history.

    • How Did This Get Made? can be a really great podcast, but it is pretty hit or miss for me. Really depends on the movie they are discussing. The genius segment that they do that I’ve been trying to figure out how to rip off is the “2nd opinion from Amazon.com users” or whatever it is. So funny. Can’t wait to give this episode a listen. It’s been awhile since I’ve given the podcast a spin. Thanks for the recommendation. And thanks for listening to us ramble on. Glad you enjoyed the episode.

  4. Great episode guys! I just went through all the episodes on the site over the past few weeks and can’t get enough. Jay, I was disappointed that you like the syringe kills the best of Halloween 2. I questioned the validity of this while seeing it. After consulting a physician, I found out that injecting air into the brain is actually a technique used for brain imaging and would not actually kill anyone, but would just hurt a lot. In order to kill someone by injecting air you would have to inject it into an artery that flows into the brain.

  5. Wow! You learn something new when you read the show notes. I had no idea we were doing a T-shirt giveaway!

    Normally, I’d assume I wasn’t eligible for such contests, what with me being a co-host and all. But I can only assume that I was kept out of the loop on purpose, in order to clear the way for me to take part in the giveaway. And for that, I’m eternally grateful.

    Of course, i could have this all wrong. Seeing as I’m usually recording the end of the show at 2 a.m. or so, it’s entirely possible that I was 100% IN the loop, and may have been present when the contest was announced, but was too drowsy to comprehend what was going on. Hell, for all I know the giveaway may have been my idea! If that’s the case, then I retract the above paragraph. I recall every detail pertaining to the contest, and remember the announcement quite vividly.

    Either way, I love the idea of a Fright Rags giveaway. They have more than a few shirts I’d love to get my hands on!

  6. So for me “Halloween” is a film that I think I admire and appreciate more than I actively enjoy. It’s definitely a masterpiece and it’s up there in my top 10 Slashers but I must admit that there are other movies in the sub-genre that I find to be more watchable. I think a lot of this is to do with the fact that I didn’t actually see “Halloween” until I was fairly old and had already seen a lot of other Slasher films. Objectively it is an almost perfect film though. Everything about it works to heighten the suspense and build the atmosphere.

    A thing about the movie that you guys didn’t touch on but that I find really interesting is just how many similarities it shares not only with the proto-slashers that preceded it and the 80’s slashers that followed but with the ghost/haunting sub-genre. Of course Myers is intended to be a tangible force but there’s something spectral about the way he can seemingly appear out of nowhere and how he is often seen as a blur in the background of the frame or a shape outside a window. I feel like the whole “abandoned house where something awful once happened” and the generally slow pace are also elements akin to the ghost sub-genre. I think this is probably testament to Carpenters variety of influences but also just how influential “Halloween” has been on the horror genre as a whole. Whenever I see a ghost materialise in the background of the screen I can’t help but think of Mr Myers.

    Anyway, I give this film a strong 8.5/10.

    “Halloween II” is a film that I almost can’t separate from the first instalment and I remember enjoying it almost as much but I think I really need to re-watch it before I can rate it accurately. I’d estimate it’s around an 8/10 though.

    Finally, “Halloween III: Season of the Witch”.
    So this isn’t a great movie but personally I think it’s a lot of fun. Jay, a 3.5/10? Oh man. This movie might not be the most realistic or serious film in the genre but it has a lot of imagination and is pretty memorable. Personally I’d have preferred to have a bunch more quirky oddities like this than some of the actual “Halloween” sequels we ended up getting later on. Sure it’s over-the-top and nonsensical but I think it’s supposed to be, at least to a certain extent. It has the feeling of an old EC horror comic brought to life. It’s a 6/10 for me.

        • You’ll notice that I pitched them back at the beginning of the proto-slashers episode based on a comment by Doc. I really like Jay’s clip selections, by and large. Hopefully, they are here to stay.

    • David,

      That’s an interesting way to look at “Halloween”, David. I never really thought about the Myers house as being “haunted”, but it makes perfect sense. In that sense, would you agree that “Halloween” could possibly be a major influence for Ju-on? If the Myers’ house is in fact “haunted” by some sort of inhuman force personified by Michael Myers, then we’d have a few parallels between the two. The ghost or “shape” would be the most obvious one. In Ju-on, there are even instances where the ghost is seen as a shape in electronic devices. Then we have the victims that are killed wether they’re in the house or not. Ju-on, I believe, was the first haunted house movie where the victims didn’t have to be inside the house in order for them to be killed. The same can be said about Michael’s victims. Most of them were never in the Myers’ house. Lastly, in both cases, it all originated because of an inhumane act done to a family by a family member. In Ju-on, the father killed his wife and kid. In Halloween, the kid killed his parents and sister.

      I may be reaching here, but it’s still kind of interesting to try and connect dots that may not even be there in the first place haha.

      Anyway, “Halloween” is very dear to my heart. It is one of the first horror movies that I watched as a kid. Michael Myers haunted my dreams and lurked in the dark for most of my childhood. His presence, relentlessness, and blank stare are forever embedded in my mind. It’s because of him that I was scared of all the other imitators growing up in the 80s. Most of my fears originated from him, so in a way — at least in my world — Michael Myers is evil personified. After 30+ years, and having watched “Halloween” recently, I can honesty say that it still holds up. It’s just as effective, just as unforgiving, just as chilling as I remember. The single most striking, most terrifying image in all of horror (at least in my opinion, but it really should be yours too) is in this movie. When Michael Myers is standing behind Laurie and his mask slowly becomes visible as he approaches her… that in my mind is the definition of horror. “Halloween” is a 10 for me. It’s a masterpiece and not only one of my favorite horror movies of all time, but one of my all time favorite movies, period.

      “Halloween II” is a very solid, very fun sequel. It capitalized on the strength of the first movie, and followed it as closely as it could. It didn’t strive to push the envelope, but it was effective for what it was. It’s an 8.5/10.

      “Halloween III” is a very odd entry in the series. I haven’t had the chance to revisit it, but scoring it from memory, it’s like a 6/10.

      Jay, I can’t believe you scored “High Lane” the same as “Halloween”. I think your horror license should be revoked. Just kidding, you’re entitled to your opinion as everyone else is, but really Jay? There were not flying chairs in this one! Sigh…

      Josh, could you elaborate on the lighting of Halloween? I’m very interested in knowing why you think that the daylight scenes are not well lit. I thought the whole film looked beautiful. Speaking of lighting, the scene where Laurie is in the closet and Michael Myers breaks through the door and turns on the light looks so stunning to me. Every time I watch that scene I’m in awe of how beautiful and terrifying that scene looks.

      Amazing episode guys! I can’t wait for the rest of the episodes to come out. I believe that each of the guests that you brought for each of the installments of “Halloween” were chosen perfectly! I really appreciated that.

      Oh and fun Halloween fact: my birthday’s on Halloween 😉

      • Thanks for the awesome reply Juan!

        To be honest I think you’d be hard pushed to find a horror film released after the 70’s ended that isn’t at least indirectly influenced by “Halloween”.

        With regards to “Ju-on” I can definitely see the parallels there and I know Takashi Shimizu was influenced by American filmmakers, so yeah, I think it’s likely that “Halloween” could have been a touchstone.*

        I definitely think that a lot of the shots we see of apparitions in all kinds of supernatural movies (“Ju-on” of course included) owe something to the way Michael Myers was shot in “Halloween”. The part you referenced when his face looms out of the darkness (which I agree is amazing) is something that I’ve seen echoed countless times in spectral scenarios.

        *I do however feel obliged to acknowledge that a lot of what makes “Ju-on” special is rooted in aspects of Japanese culture and folklore.

        • Oh I wasn’t trying to downplay Ju-on by any extent. I’m sorry if my comment came across that way. Influences aside, Ju-on left its mark in horror and I consider it one of the more important horror films of the 2000s. And yes, you are 100% correct about it being strongly rooted in Japanese culture.

          • I know that’s not what you meant at all Juan. There was nothing about your hypothesis that suggested a downplaying of “Ju-on” at all. I just thought it best to point out the significant native influences present for the sake of anyone else reading the comments.

      • I’ll have to revisit my comments there, Juan. I don’t remember saying that. In general, it is just clear that their lighting budget was low, low low … which works for me at night–since most movies are WAY overlit for nighttime exteriors–and the low lighting makes the film all the more unique and creepy. I suppose, that approach didn’t work as well for me in the day, but I can’t think of what I was referencing at the time. I typically like movies lit with natural light.

  7. Juan: I thought it best to transpose the continuation of our conversation about “The Prowler” from the Movie Podcast Weekly comments section to this one as it’s of course more relevant here. I hope you don’t mind my friend.

    Anyway, I hope I didn’t give the impression that I think “The Prowler” is anything less than an above average 80’s Slasher. I do agree with your points that the look of the killer and the kills themselves are great but I just personally find that for whatever reason it doesn’t quite engage me as much as several other movies in the subgenre. It could very well be testament to my poor/bizarre taste in film but I actually enjoy something like “Sleepaway Camp” more than I do “The Prowler”. I’m fully aware that “Sleepaway Camp” is vastly inferior in terms of quality but there’s just something about it that clicks in my brain and that’s lacking in “The Prowler”.

    Anyway, for the sake of making lists here’s my top ten slashers of the 1980’s list:
    1. The Burning
    2. New York Ripper
    3. Friday the 13th part 4
    4. Intruder
    5. Pieces
    6. Friday the 13th
    7. Sleepaway Camp
    8. Psycho II
    9. Halloween II
    10. Happy Birthday to Me

    For the record “The Prowler” may very well make number 11.

    • Awesome list my friend! And don’t feel bad about not having as much love for “The Prowler” as others. Everyone is entitled to liking whatever the hell they want to like, right? Besides, it is still in your top 20. If you consider the hundreds of slashers that it had to beat to get to number 11, then you have more love for it than you give yourself credit for.

      Since you posted your top 80’s slashers, now I feel obliged to post my list. My knowledge on this subgenre is not as extensive as yours, so keep in mind that there are tons of 80s horror that I haven’t seen yet:

      1. Friday the 13th
      2. Sleepaway Camp
      3. April Fool’s Day
      4. Halloween II
      5. Chopping Mall
      6. The Funhouse
      7. Pieces
      8. The Prowler
      9. Bloody Birthday
      10. The Burning

      • Man that’s a really great list! It’s awesome to see “Sleepaway Camp” so high and both “Chopping Mall” and “The Funhouse” are really interesting choices.

        Also I’m pretty sure I haven’t seen “Bloody Birthday” (but now my interest is piqued) so you shouldn’t presume that your knowledge of the genre isn’t more extensive than mine.

  8. That is a pretty solid list David. For me I would have most of the films you have listed but I’m also a big fan of Maniac (1980) and Friday The 13th Part 2 (1981).

    On the topic of The Prowler I must say that I’m on Team Prowler. It was a movie that had much better pacing and I love the mystery of not knowing who the killer is until the final scene. I’m going to sound like Jay here, but I find that the pacing of The Burning hurts that movie. The opening is incredible but then the movie devolves into a bad Meatballs clone. The raft scene is incredible, but I find that the rest of the movie just can’t live up to that scene. It is as if the climax has occurred halfway through the movie. By the end I have generally lost all interest in the conclusion.

    • Thank you good sir.

      I didn’t feel comfortable putting “Maniac” on the list as it has been a good few years since I saw it but after a re-watch there’s a chance it may graduate to the top 10. “Friday the 13th Part 2” (and part 3) are close contenders but I don’t enjoy them quite as much as 1 and 4.

      I do understand the problems people have with the pacing in “The Burning” but personally I really like that middle part of the movie. I think I just really enjoy the lakeside summer camp setting and everything that comes with it. We don’t have “summer camp” over here and I think it’s become a kind of romanticised notion in my head and it plays well into the escapism I find in horror.

  9. Hey guys – new listener just outside of Chicago and really enjoying your show! I finished the Halloween podcast last night and just wanted to mention a couple of things – first is kudos for mentioning that Laurie Strode’s crush, Ben Tramer,was the kid pinned to the ambulance in II. You guys don’t miss a thing!

    Also, you were discussing the novel adaptation of Halloween by Curtis Richards – I think I still have it packed away in the attic somewhere (desperate to find it now that I have an idea what it’s worth) and there’s a prologue that takes place during Samhain a couple hundred years or so before the actual story, and the first chapter is devoted to the events at the Meyers house before Judith is murdered. There’s a discussion between Michael’s mother and grandmother about how Michael has been hearing voices, and how it’s similar to something that his grandfather or great-grandfather (can’t remember which) experienced years before.

    Anyway – keep up the great work – I’m now going back in your archives to catch up on Feral Vampires….

      • Thank you David! My mother actually bought it for me when I was a kid, and as I recall it’s a little beat up. It’s actually a pretty well-written book and it offers an interesting perspective on Michael Meyers and gives him a (sort-of?) motive. It’s the kind of thing you can literally read in a few hours. Loomis gets fleshed out nicely in the novel as well.

    • Wow, I’d love to read that novelization! Very cool bits of trivia there on the Michael Myers backstory.

      Thanks for finding us, Rick. Always love a new listener. If you liked this episode, stay tuned for the rest of October and yes, check out some of our other themed episodes. My favorite eps (if I’m allowed to say) that feature this type of discussion are: #1: The Horror Genre and Our Top 10 Favorite Horror Movies, #2: Haunted Houses, #5: Bad Santas, #10: Bloody Valentines, #11: Feral Vampires, #19: The Siege Narrative, #20: Horror on the 4th of July, and #21: Proto-Slashers.

  10. Awesome episode. Really great to hear all the background and I like how you refrain from blending the episodes together. You asked about Halloween III and I thought it was BAD BAD BAD either as part of the series or stand-alone. You guys covered all the silly stuff (Stonehenge, lingerie-on-demand, robots, etc.) to which I can only add a) the “drunk” with the super power of spotting a bottle of booze in a nanosecond in a dark alley and b) all of Tom Atkins’ “duck and dodge” moves to avoid lights and robots (not bad for a middle-aged doctor). Looking forward to the next episode!

  11. Such a great podcast, all this talk of Halloween got me so hyped up for the next episode. As usual a great cast with great conversation. I will say I think whoever does the editing (Im guessing Jay) does a really good job.

    My only other thing to add would be about Halloween III. My take on this is that just watch it for what it is and don’t think about it even being part of the Halloween franchise. I forgot who mentioned it, but I too usually just refer to it as Season of the Witch. Its a great stand alone horror film that has nothing to do with the franchise, but as a stand alone flick I love this movie! I think the fact that everyone went in thinking they were going to get Myers and then walked out thinking what a big flop. Don’t think that way and enjoy it for the cool child killing movie it is and youre looking at a great piece of “seasonal” horror <—- See what I did there :)

  12. Man I don’t know how anybody likes part 3 , that movies is trying to be something that had nothing to do with the rest of the movies . I don’t want no robots , no mad rule the world cartoon plots out of a g.i joe cartoon . There was nothing scary about the movie . the only saving grace was Tom the man Ackins . And it was a total body snatchers rip off .

  13. OK, so I watched Halloween 2 again after the podcast because I hadn’t seen it in a while and there was a scene that I completely forgot about that defies any explanation (that I can think of). Why on earth is Ben Tramer (the guy who gets crushed and burned by the police car) dressed just like Michael Myers for his Halloween costume. It doesn’t make a lick of sense and seems extremely ridiculous. Anyone have any sort of rationalization?

    • Just that they were selling that mask that year in Haddonfield. Doesn’t account for the jumpsuit, but … it is definitely a stretch. I thinkit’s supposed to be like in Scream when Dewey says “they sell this mask at every five and dime in the state.”

  14. I guess the implication is that the white Shatner mask is a common Halloween costume in the universe of the movie? I guess Ben just happened to have the same taste in fancy-dress as Michael.

    As for the boiler suit; it’s implied in the first movie that Michael got that from the tow-truck driver/mechanic he killed by the roadside so I guess that one’s just a coincidence.

    Maybe Ben Tramer was trick or treating as the ghost of captain kirk but the only Star Trek uniforms the costume shop had left were from that crappy Enterprise show?

  15. So, it’s time for a review I think. Despite it being October I’m afraid to say I’ve been slacking a little bit in the horror department so I don’t have that much to offer this week. Of course I rewatched “Halloween” but I don’t feel the need to further expound on that so:

    “Yokai Hyaku Monogatari” aka “Yokai Monsters: One Hundred Monsters” (1968)

    So this was the first film in a trilogy of fantasy/horror/adventure movies released in Japan in the late 60’s and ostensibly aimed at children. I’ve also seen the next entry in the series, “Yokai Monsters: Spook Warfare” and while that movie is technically less child-friendly due to it featuring some mild profanity and bloodshed it’s also much sillier and far less atmospheric and creepy than “One Hundred Monsters”.

    This was helmed by Kimiyoshi Yasuda who also notably directed the awesome “Daimajin” from 1966 and “One Hundred Monsters” shares the earlier films period setting and depiction of good people struggling against cruel oppressors. Similar to “Daimajin” a good portion of the running time here is dedicated to establishing the scheming of the villains (in this case a brutish property developer and corrupt magistrate) and showcasing their disrespect for the sacred/traditional/supernatural. We’re also introduced to the tenants of an apartment building that’s being targeted by the property developer.

    This may all sound a little pedestrian but it’s well paced, well shot and complimented by several intertwining sub-plots. Ultimately though this is all just a backdrop for the appearance of the amazing array of ghouls and creatures known as the “Yokai”. The “Yokai” are the folkloric monsters of Japan and they seriously put the western cultural imagination to shame. Japanese folklore boasts everything from household objects that come to life on the 100th anniversary of the day they were made, to giant animated whale corpses, and from horrifying faceless strangers to a burning wheel with a face that rolls down the street severing children’s limbs. Unfortunately “One Hundred Monsters” doesn’t even scratch the surface of this extensive and fascinating mythology but the good news is that it’s still an awesome sight to behold. Almost everything relating to the “Yokai” in this movie is a visual treat; vivid, spooky and extremely imaginative. Some of the creatures come across as a little shaky (the Kasa-obake puppet is particularly limp) but other effects are executed brilliantly resulting in some truly eerie and unforgettable imagery.

    If you’re looking for a horror film of the particularly gory/disturbing variety then this probably isn’t for you but if you’re in the mood for something spooky, fun and totally different then I can’t recommend this highly enough. 8/10

    • David, as always your knowledge of and fascination for Japanese culture puts me to shame. Like The Dude, you should have your own column dedicated to Japanese horror. I’d be really curious to see a list from you of must see Japanese horror.

      • Juan you’re far too kind. My reviews are vague, slapped-together and poorly researched; certainly not deserving of a column. Besides Jay can’t go handing out these theoretical columns like they’re cheap ramen noodles!

        I do appreciate your feedback though and your suggestion of a must-see Japanese horror list was too good to pass up.

        So here’s my top ten must-see Japanese horror films:

        1. Kwaidan (1964)
        2. Ju-on: The Grudge (2002)
        3. The Ghost of Yotsuya (1959)
        4. Matango: Attack of the Mushroom People (1963)
        5. Sweet Home (1988)
        6. Cure (1997)
        7. Yokai Monsters: One Hundred Monsters (1968)
        8. Jigoku (1960)
        9. Hiruko the Goblin (1991)
        10. One Missed Call (2003)

        (Note: there may seem to be several glaring omissions in this list but it’s the unfortunate truth that I have yet to see several highly regarded classics such as “Evil Dead Trap”, “Goke: Bodysnatcher from Hell”, “Kuroneko” and yes even the renowned “Onibaba”. I’ll also point out that I tried to make this list fairly varied so some of the movies might not be considered by all as full-on horror e.g. “Cure” is more of a psychological thriller, “Kwaidan” is an abstract and artistic anthology of supernatural tales and “Hiruko the Goblin” is a horror comedy. I’m also not including any of the innumerable made-for-TV horror anthologies that have come out of Japan, partly because they’re not always feature length but mainly because they tend to be of an inconsistent quality. I would recommend checking some out though)


    What a show – easily my favorite episode do far and that’s saying something. Cannot wait for the rest of the Franchise and I for one would love to see the Friday 13th franchise get the same treatment.

    Brilliant guys, I can guess the amount of time spent to make such a long episode and can only extend my thanks to all the hosts and guest.

    I am going to try and persuade my very squeamish wife to do a Halloween 1 and 2 double feature on Halloween Night lol.

    thanks again and looking forward to the rest

  17. Josh, what about a werewolf themed episode where you cover not only the movies, but also the mythos behind the lycanthropic beasts that we love so much? It would be really interesting to see how other cultures perceive or represent the werewolf. It would also be cool to delve into why there are so few great werewolf movies and why there’s a lack of interest in what is arguably the coolest monster? I’d also be interested in an overview of what would make the perfect werewolf movie in your opinion (being that you’re the wolfman). Come on Josh, make this happen wolfman! Anyway, I’m sure you’ve thought about this long ago and I’m sure you have even better things to talk about than what I came up with.

    • I’m definitely down, Juan. Unfortunately, I have about 4 themed episides ready to go, which will probably take at least a year to get through by the time we go through the rotation again. But, I will add it to the list! I actually know a great werewolf scholar (like Kyle Bishop for Lycanthropes) Id like to invite on the show.

  18. I agree that it’s important to make note of a movie someone in a film is watching unless it’s Night Of the Living Dead. Then we can just assume they’re watching it because it’s public domain and they didn’t have to pay for it.

  19. Wow… this podcast has taken me back 30 years to when I enjoyed Halloween I and II, and was then disappointed by III. I think the problem was, as Wolfman Josh said, that they put a “III” on it, and even used a similar tagline, “The night nobody came home”. I will definitely re-visit it though after hearing your pod. Now to go and watch the rest of the franchise before you review it. Thanks from Australia. Cheers!

  20. What a great cast. I really loved the discussion on John Carpenter’s Halloween. It could have easily devolved into a lushing of “I loved this… I loved this…” but instead, you guys discussed it using critical approaches such as Freud, the uncanny, and even Christian theism. Real pleasure to listen to. It was a nice touch to have Jay give his perspectives as a viewer who is not totally infatuated with the film. Some of the points (like the Lindsay diatribe) I found to be so refreshing because you tend to forget these things. Thought I’d throw my hat into the ring on the Myers discussion. To me, I always felt like the uncanny approach (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uncanny) best describes what makes Myers so fascinating and horrifying at the same time. From a very young age, I always took his character as an embodiment of what man is capable of (ie, through the spectrum of serial killers). That’s where the uncanny approach can be interwoven to themes of the film. Here we have the guise of a man/human in rough terms, but, much like the mask, upon further inspection the details aren’t congruent with that of a man/human. I think this ties so well with what many say after a serial killer is outed in the media. How could someone be capable of this? He/she seemed like a nice person on the surface. In some ways we all want to project our ethics/ideologies upon others, and when you are presented with such a stark contrast of someone who can kill without empathy, remorse, or even an inkling of consequence – that’s terrifying. Slap a familiar yet simultaneously unfamiliar/featureless mask on it, and you’ve got the horror slasher of the ages. One last thing, this feature on Biography is a great watch (I recommend to any Halloween fan) and expands on some of the details you guys touched on: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qGeGU2tbdck

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  28. I’m still making my way back through episodes, so I hope I’m not retreading ground already covered, but I have some thoughts to add on HALLOWEEN. I know the movie has been laid to rest and we’ve moved on, so this whole comment can be ignored if need be.
    I’d like to revisit Jay’s theory of HALLOWEEN as an Anti-Christ story. I think his idea has merit and I can see many parallels between the historical Christ story and Halloween. Kyle makes a good point in mentioning that religion is pretty absent in the film. The only thing that approaches something that resembles religious thought is Dr. Loomis’ insistance that Michael Myers is Evil. This lack of overt religious tropes, iconography, suggestion, or whatever – that doesn’t make me dismiss religion as a filter through which to read this movie. Actually, because of Loomis’ constant ranting about Michael’s evil-ness, I think the lack of religious thought in the movie is heightened. This is probably making no sense, but hear me out.
    Maybe Haddonfield is a quiet town without a Devil (or God). An oblivous vacuum. A long time ago a young boy had an impact on the town, but it’s been quiet since then. That boy didn’t preach in a synagog, but he murdered his sister. Flash forward in time (much like the Biblical Jesus story) and we have this crazy, John the Baptist type figure in Dr. Loomis, warning the town of the coming of a life-changing being (not the positive Jesus that John heralds, but the negative Michael Myers).
    There’s the discarded “shroud” that Michael leaves behind (in the bushes where he kills the mechanic), conjuring up images of the burial shroud that Jesus left behind in the tomb. There’s also a reference to a last supper of sorts – not of bread and wine, but of a dog. I’m really reaching here, but could Michael’s sister be seen as an anti-Mary – her promiscuity giving birth to the evil? Shoot, I’ll push it even further – Christ is crucified on a hill, raised up high, while Michael Myers is forced out of a window, dropped down below. Prior to that, the final assault our anti-Christ makes is against three innocent people, which brings to my mind the trinity.
    Back to the original thought of Haddonfield – It can’t remain a quiet little town by ignoring the warnings. Evil comes, the devil comes, the boogeyman comes, whether it (or he) is believed in or not.
    I’m with Jay on this. I think there’s plenty here to see Halloween as a story of an anti-Christ figure. I can’t find any arguments to suggest that it was intentional, so I’m probably projecting way more of myself onto the movie than I should. But that’s what makes a movie like this so great. It holds up well from so many different angles.

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