Horror Movie Podcast Ep. 068: Remembering Wes Craven and Scream Franchise Overview

Scream Overview

October is approaching fast. Each Friday in October, we’ll be reviewing “A Nightmare on Elm Street” franchise — in-depth! So, please subscribe free in iTunes to make sure you don’t miss any episodes. Before we get to Freddy, this episode of HORROR MOVIE PODCAST is our Tribute to Wes Craven and our SCREAM FRANCHISE OVERVIEW. In this episode, you’ll hear thoughts from your hosts — but more importantly — you’ll hear views from the HMP listenership! This show is a must-listen, and it is dedicated to the late, great Wes Craven.

“You’re not a true horror fan until you randomly hate a type of horror because you love another type more.” — Sal Roma

For those who are new to Horror Movie Podcast, if you enjoy this in-depth Scream franchise review, Horror Movie Podcast-style, then be sure to also listen to our Halloween Franchise Review that we did back in October 2014, as well as our Friday the 13th Franchise Review that we did back in February of 2015. On Horror Movie Podcast, we bring you in-depth analysis of entire franchises, so please subscribe to our show and don’t miss any future episodes!

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I. Introduction
— HMP T-shirt update
— Coming up on HMP

[ 00:05:53 ] II. HMP Wes Craven Tribute
— HMP host tribute
— HMP listener tribute
-Voicemail from Mattroid of The Sci-Fi Podcast
Read Mattroid’s article: An Ode to the Late Wes Craven

[ 00:39:41 ] III. Scream Franchise Overview: SCREAM (1996)
— HMP host thoughts

[ 02:23:47 ] IV. Scream Franchise Overview: SCREAM 2 (1997)
— HMP host thoughts
— Drawing for Scream Blu-ray Winner!

[ 02:40:52 ] V. Scream Franchise Overview: SCREAM 3 (2009)
— HMP host thoughts
— Drawing for “Stab” T-shirt

[ 02:53:15 ] VI. Scream Franchise Overview: SCREAM 4 (2011)
— HMP host thoughts

[ 02:56:14 ] VII. Scream Franchise Overview: SCREAM TV Series: Season 1 (2015)
— Wolfman Josh’s thoughts

VIII. Wrap-Up / Plugs / Ending
— True Crime Story – The Real Story of The Gainesville Ripper
(Big thanks to Wolfman Josh for his excellent editing of this clip.)
Remember! #DeadSerious

Thanks to those who contributed feedback for this episode:
The Dude, Allison, Sal Roma, Michael, Matthew from Chicago, Mattroid, Fritz, Final Girl 13, Joe, Shannon, Dino, Lee, David from the U.K., Juan, Red Cap Jack, David at UCLA, Allyson (but no Drew), and the many more who left comments on the site.

Allison Stab T Shirt
Listener Allison (@halloweenmom31) sporting her HMP drawing winnings: An official Stab t-shirt.

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Ron Martin’s Mt. Rushmore of Horror

Mattroid’s article: An Ode to the Late Wes Craven

Wolfman Josh’s links:
Follow Josh on Twitter: @IcarusArts
Josh covers streaming online movies on: Movie Stream Cast
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Dave’s daily movie review website: DVD Infatuation.com
Follow Dave on Twitter: @DVDinfatuation
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Dr. Shock also appears on this horror podcast: Land of the Creeps

Jay of the Dead’s links:
Jay of the Dead and Horror Movie Podcast Official Twitter: @HorrorMovieCast
Jay of the Dead covers new releases in theaters on: Movie Podcast Weekly
And if you’d like to e-mail Jay of the Dead with a good Beastly Freaks recommendation: BeastlyFreaks@gmail.com

Dr. Walking Dead’s links:
Pre-order Kyle’s new book! How Zombies Conquered Popular Culture: The Multifarious Walking Dead in the 21st Century
Order Kyle’s previous books American Zombie Gothic and Triumph of The Walking Dead
Follow Kyle on Twitter: @DrWalkingDead

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105 thoughts on “Horror Movie Podcast Ep. 068: Remembering Wes Craven and Scream Franchise Overview

  1. Considering I’m feeling pretty down after just seeing the super depressing (Yet fantastic) ME AND EARL AND THE DYING GIRL, coming on to see the latest HMP released is a nice treat.

  2. Whew. Just came onto the site to check if there’s a new episode before going to sleep and three+ hours later, I’m finally getting around to getting some sleep.

    Just a few more thoughts regarding Wes Craven. Out of all of those major horror directors of the 70’s and 80’s, Craven may be the most consistent director. I might just be thinking that because Craven had some quality movies near the end of his career, unlike the likes of Carpenter (Pains me to say) and Hooper. Random thoughts on select movies:

    – LAST HOUSE ON THE LEFT – I love those songs by David Hess. It’s what I think about first when the movie is brought up as well as part of what made the original CABIN FEVER so much fun.

    – THE PEOPLE UNDER THE STAIRS – Thought Jay may find this interesting since he named this movie as one that people don’t praise often. This movie actually happens to be the favorite horror movie of one of my friends. I’m not crazy about the movie, but he’s mentioning it a lot.

    – SHOCKER – I first saw this before school when it aired on one of those premium movie channels. It’s not a great film, but it is a very solid under appreciated horror film.

    – CURSED – It’s one of Craven’s worst movies, but I always have fun reminiscing about how insulted I felt when I paid money to see a werewolf give me the finger on the big screen. If you’re going to make a bad movie, at least make it bad enough that it’s fun to talk about. CURSED does just that.

    – HILLS HAVE EYES PART 2 – Much like CURSED, it’s one of Craven’s worst movies, but again, how can you not laugh at the fact that a dog (A DOG!) has a flashback scene? I laugh whenever I think back to that.

    – RED EYE – Maybe my favorite trailer ever. The trailer is the sole reason why I had any desire to see the movie and why I bought it when it came out on DVD. For the first half of the trailer, it’s just your typical romantic comedy that I didn’t care about in the slightest. Halfway in the trailer, the tone shifts 180 degrees and you realize the movie is not a chick flick in any fashion. That twist in the trailer grabbed my interest and I’m not 100% sure if I would have bought the movie had the trailer showed the fact that it was going to be a thriller from the get go.

    As for the wrap-up of the SCREAM series, it was a lot of fun to re-watch the movies and be involved in the discussions of the movies in the comment section. HMP is far more fun when you’re involved rather than just listening to the podcasts. Since I normally find myself agreeing with Wolfman Josh in a lot of the reviews, it was fun to shake things up and have a very different opinion from him when it came to the sequels and the TV Show. Seeing how often Jay talked about taking off his pants and encouraging others to follow his lead (Poor Dr. Shock :( ), Mrs. Jay of the Dead may need to re-think her policy in letting Jay watch the Miss America pageant with her. I did find Jay’s line about how detractors of the horror genre may just be sensitive people to be a new thought I never had before. I’ve always just dismissed those that hate on the genre without any good reasoning. Maybe it’s more complicated than just thinking those people are annoying for having those opinions.

    As a first time winner, I really appreciate the prizes that the HMP crew offers their listeners. Seeing as I never did get around to buying SCREAM on DVD or Blu-Ray, it’s nice to finally have it back in my collection after giving the VHS trilogy away to a friend years ago. Considering my birthday is in mid October, that will be a fun little birthday gift for myself. A special thanks for that.


    • Haha! #DeadSeriousAboutNotWearingPants…I’m dying. I want to thank you all too, as I NEVER win anything. I am stoked about my t-shirt.

      • You know, my friends and I have this very exclusive club that we like to call The No-Pants Club. It’s been a good while since we last reunited, but we’re all still around and pantless from time to time. Given the appreciation for lack of pants during this episode, I’d like to extend an invitation to whoever would like to join our club. So far, only boys were allowed, but I think we’re ready to start recruiting girls. This is invitation only guys. Think about this!

        #nopantsclub #truestory

  3. First order of business…thanks for the Stab t-shirt! I can’t wait to get it. I have a small passion (obsession) for horror t-shirts. The tribute episode was an A+, guys. I sincerely hope that Wes Craven knew how loved and appreciated he was while he was here. I don’t usually get affected by the passing of celebrities, but I’ve been moved by the tributes and comments I’ve seen over the past few weeks. I find that, being a horror movie fan and being female, most people I encounter don’t understand my love of the genre and I usually feel pretty alone in that respect. Seeing all the comments and listening to these podcast episodes makes me feel like I am understood and have a group of people I can relate to.

    I very much enjoy true crime, so I loved having the extra clip on the end regarding the Gainesville Ripper. I used to frequent the Crime Library often and was well versed on all things Charles Manson, Ted Bundy, and the like. I will add this to my list of cases to research (I am currently reading up on Richard Ramirez, the Night Stalker).

    To recap: new episode of HMP, Stab t-shirt, and a new true crime case to research = Weekend MADE :)

    • That’s so nice and I’m so glad. I really like this community and always enjoy when someone new joins the conversation. We get you, Allison! One of us!

      Make sure you send the tshirt size you want to Jay as well. I’m not 100% sure if I can get it in a women’s cut so send in the size you’d want in BOTH ladies’ and men’s and I’ll see what is available.

    • As someone who enjoys true crime stories, I have a podcast recommendation for you. Just last week I discovered a podcast called “You Must Remember This” where the focus is on behind the scenes stories from old Hollywood. They just put out a twelve part series on the Manson Family and while I am not quite finished with it, it is very thorough and engaging. It’s fascinating to hear how many people in the music and film industry had a connection to group (I had never heard before that Angela Lansbury’s daughter ran around with the Manson family for a bit). Anyway, here is a link if you want to check it out:

      • Thanks for that, Allyson. :) I actually listened to that entire series back in August and thoroughly enjoyed it. I’ve read “Helter Skelter” by Vincent Bugliosi several times and just recently finished “The Family” by Ed Sanders. It goes WAY more in depth than anything I’ve read on the Family before. He actually insinuated himself into the Family just after the Tate-LaBianca murders so he has a first hand experience. A fascinating, yet…disturbing…guy, that Charlie Manson. haha

  4. Kudos on saying my name correctly! I’ve been named on other podcast before and I have heard so many different pronunciations of the name Orian ahahah

  5. Lots of touching words about Wes Craven in this episode. I’m only really a fan of a handful of his films but still i can’t deny that the guy changed the face of the horror genre several times.

    Also, I want to note that I’m really glad you guys take the time to do these franchise overview episodes. It would be easy to just end the franchise reviews on the final movie but going back over a series of films and reflecting upon them as a whole while also taking into account the listener feedback is a brilliant way of delivering a satisfying conclusion. These episodes are great at bringing any loose ends together and really putting each film into vivid context.

    Finally, I have to agree with you guys that Sal’s “You’re not a true horror fan until you randomly hate a type of horror because you love another type more” observation is a stroke of profound genius! It’s a strange quirk of fandom that i think we can all relate to.

    • Yes, good and yes.

      I’m echo your feelings about Craven.

      I’m glad the overviews are enjoyable (this was the most rushed of those we’ve done so far). Thanks for your continued support.

      Sal’s comment is a very funny insight that’s often true.

      Thanks, David.

  6. Wes introduced me to horror, I’ve always had a fondness for the Universal Studios Monsters, but Freddy is what really lit my fire as a horror fan. NoeS led to Friday the 13th, which led to Halloween which led to Child’s Play and the list goes on and on.

    Thank you Wes for introducing me to the genre

    • “I’ve always had a fondness for the Universal Studios Monsters, but Freddy is what really lit my fire as a horror fan.”
      Take that back, Fritz! The monsters heard what you said.

  7. Darn you, HMP and your listeners! On my Monday morning commute and had to pull over. Getting choked up by some of these comments about Mr. Craven.

  8. “Juan being who Juan is and why we love him so much”

    Hahaha this made laugh so hard. I’m not entirely sure it’s a good thing, but I appreciate the love. After almost two years of listening to you guys, I still feel all fuzzy and warm inside when you drop my name, especially when Josh says it because he now, very playfully, pronounces the “J” the way it was meant to be said. Thanks Josh!

    But yeah, I echo everyone’s comments about the franchise overview being more than just the cherry on top. I think it’s necessary to bring closure to all the previous material that was said or written. I wish I had participated a lot more than just posting funny comments (that’s what Josh said!), but time’s been a little tight lately. But I’m super stoked about this huge wave of new and old listener comments flooded the comment boards. They wrote excellent comments and made the franchise overview that much more interesting and engaging. This makes me so excited for the HMP meet up that I’m sure Jay is still working on, right Jay? :/

  9. What an amazing wrap up to the Scream franchise review and tribute to the legendary Mr. Craven. I am truly honored to have been included in this episode (which my mother is now also listening to :)

    It was mentioned in this episode how sad it will be to never see Wes Craven’ name at the top of a movie poster again. I often see a sub par horror movie and wonder why we love this, what continues to be appealing about what is often so bleak a genre? I then remember how much fun watching a great horror film is, which inevitably calls to mind Wes Craven and his many works of genius.

    Thank you for genuinely caring about the strange group of folks that are horror-lovers and their fandoms. For a horror podcast, you often give me the warm and fuzzies :)

    Keep up the great work.

    • Very kind of you, Elizabeth. Thanks for bringing your mom on as a listener! You’re now officially only the second familial, bi-generational listeners that I know about (after Shannon’s son started listening). That’s pretty cool.

      I also loved the listener tributes to Scream and Craven. Your story was one of the best.

      “For a horror podcast, you often give me the warm and fuzzies :)”

      That made me laugh.

  10. Wonderful episode; love the listener interaction/participation.

    I also like the looseness, the conversational fee of the whole episode. Awesome. Some of the points brought up by listeners were soooooo good, and the love for Craven was great.

    But for the record: yes I was on lunch (I am almost always at work it seems) but no I was not driving. I was walking down a strange and desolate backroad, in the daytime. So…yeah.

    Thanks for linking to my small article! :)

  11. I’ll have to say that was a great overview guys. I love the first Scream movie and i’ll even say the 2nd as well. After that I don’t really care for 3 or 4 for that matter and haven’t gotten a chance to watch the new television series, but I do want to give it a chance. So again while Im not the biggest fan of the Scream franchise, I really enjoyed the overview. Great job as usual gentlemen.

    * PS on a side note, I want to thank Jay for doing the shirts. I ordered a shirt as soon as they went up for order and got my shirt shortly after. I don’t want to throw anyone under the bus, but I think its in poor taste for listeners to jump in saying they’ll make a purchase of a product that you (Jay) would have to pre-order in a sense and then have people back out in the end. As a graphic designer and someone who has worked in the t-shirt industry as well, I do understand its not cheap to get shirts printed with all the screen/art set up fees and what not. A lot of places wont even run random numbers, they want you to buy a set bulk order. So I say to those that maybe pledged on buying a shirt but didnt, please stick to your guns and purchase your shirt. So from me and behalf of the others who have their shirt or are currently waiting, thank you again Jay and thanks to all the guys involved in the podcast. I wear my shirt proudly because Im dead serious about horror.

    • Armored Foe,
      You are Dead Serious About Horror Movies! Thanks for your nice comment and your support. I have had a number of people reach out and express similar sentiments via e-mail and Twitter. Thank you all.

      I have great news! I have placed the shirt order last night, so the wait is almost over.

      And yes, even though these will be the last shirts for a while, I don’t think we’ll avoid producing HMP T-shirts forever… They may be back next year: I just need to figure out a much better method for processing and fulfilling orders, and right now with Halloween nearby and the year wrapping up, I’m just too busy to deal with that stuff. Plus, I hate taking time out of the podcast for this sort of administrative stuff.

      I will get the numbers to you on how many (extra) remaining shirts we have left, and which sizes are available.

      Thanks again, everybody!

      • And just FYI, since Jay didn’t run these shirt designs or the printing process by Dave or I at all, I had already been looking into shirts for awhile and I think I have a system that will be much easier for all parties. I’ve got Wolfman Josh and Dr. Shock shirts almost ready to go (as well as a Jay of the Dead shirt if Jay approves it), but I wanted to wait to reveal them until Jay had finished his orders here. I didn’t want to conflict with the official shirts. I think I will let you guys know about these alt shirts around Black Friday, just for fun. I should have them all ready by then. And the order, payment, printing and shipping is all self-contained, so we shouldn’t have any of these issues. Should be fun!

  12. Great show. I thoroughly enjoy your podcast and I think you guys are fun to listen to, I only have one small gripe: You seem to judge movies based on what you want to see rather than taking in what the movie is presenting.

    I don’t want to seem harsh, but when you say: I wouldn’t have done that, I wouldn’t have explored this or etc,. it seems to me that you are knocking the movie for being something that you wouldn’t have made, which makes sense since you aren’t the one making it.

    For example, the opening scene redux from STAB. You stated that you felt that the opening is way too different in tone to the original opening in SCREAM and that you felt in should have been done more seriously. What is important IMO is to ask ourselves what was the filmmakers intent. The overly exaggerated tone seems to put emphasis on reality VS Movies. Why was Cassie taking a shower? Especially when she clearly had popcorn burning on the stove. She says ‘Hello?’ when she hears a weird noise. she’s acting in a typical horror movie cliché fashion when the original characters were meant to defy clichés. If the scene would have been done completely seriously it would have undermined the message that are trying to convey.

    But what do I know, my favorite type of horror is Horror-Comedies 😛

    • As a big time fan and occasional guest on the show, I can attest to the fact that there are no better, no classier and few if any more knowledgable fellas than those that host HMP.

      I can get what you’re saying about “I wouldn’t have…” but I actually really like hearing what others would do to change the movie; it’s not going to happen, but the theoretical discussion is awesome. I don’t always agree, but that’s part of the fun.

      But I like your point; come over to the scifi podcast and contribute–we could use the edge! :)

      And for the record, I’m closer to Jay in my dislike of horror comedy, but there are many notable exceptions and Scream I count among them.

      • Ahhh … Thank you for defending our honor Mattroid. That’s never necessary. But, you’re a good friend and I’m glad you’re a fan (and guest). Michael makes a valid, totally arguable point. I just don’t think it’s a very nuanced one.

        I’ve struggled with this question as to whether having now reviewed movies on close to 500 podcast episodes makes me a film critic and someone who should adhere to traditional film criticism rules, but I think podcasting is forging something new. We ( all film podcasters, not just us ) are kind of pioneering new territory in film criticism and theory that is heavily weighted with fandom and I think we’re creating something unique and specific that could be defined differently with different expectations.

    • First of all, great point about the function of Stab in the opening of Scream 2. It doesn’t make me enjoy it any more, but it does validate it as a filmmaking tool, in my opinion. I like that reading.

      Now, allow me to vehemently disagree with you about everything else you said.

      To answer your specific criticism, I get what your saying, but I don’t have a problem with it. If it was all we did, it might be a problem, but I think it’s actually a very small portion of what we do and I don’t think any of us buy into “artist intentionality” as the primary way to review a film.

      I think filmmaker intent is one interesting aspect to consider (I’m probably the one who discusses that most on the show), but it is also an extremely narrow way to look at film criticism and most film scholars would tell you that it is the least valid. Film theory is based on the dissection of, not what the filmmaker intended but, what the filmmaker presented. Analysis of the text. As a film scholar, you’re talking about what you see on the screen and making connections with genre, other texts, history, social issues of the day, etc. In fact, your reading of Stab is not really about artist intentionality either. You are looking at the evidence in the text and drawing a conclusion. Unless Craven told you that, you don’t know what was intended. It only seems logical to you based on the connections you made on your own.

      Now, your point about reviewing “the film we wanted to see” is a valid critique and Jay (as a legitimate film critic) would call that a film criticism faux pas, but I’m not a film critic. I don’t care. I’m just being honest about what I think.

      Jay is a real, tranditionally-trained movie critic. Kyle is a real movie scholar who has published multiple books on horror films and theory and teaches this stuff on a University level. Dave is a road film historian and a real (and insanely prolific) movie blogger. I am a real filmmaker who has only directed documentary, but has been working on fictional film sets (including horror films) since I was 14 years old and I’ve studied film in college and much more rigorously on my own. And with our powers combined, we are Captain Planet! No, we are really just horror film fans bringing our diverse backgrounds and perspectives to in-depth (and hopefully fun) conversations that cover all of these areas from filmmaking to fandom to theory and even some classical criticism.

      I’m giving you our resumes not only to establish some minor credibility, but more to show you that we are coming at this from all angels. There’s more than one way to skin a cat.

        • Hi Michael-Orian,

          As a long-time listener and fan (and having no personal or professional affiliations and nothing to gain from promoting the site), let me reassure you that these guys are awesome at what they do. Even when they themselves don’t give credit to err… themselves, they know what they’re doing because they genuinely care about what they do. I became a podcast listener because of them and I’ve since tried to get into other podcasts, but there’s just something magical about these guys that compels me to listen to them and have the most awesome time while learning a lot along the way. Like Josh said, their all-angles approach is very unique and it really makes for some interesting dialogue that you won’t find anywhere else. Now, like every other critic, blogger, or person out there, they’re not perfect. There may be times when you disagree with their take, their score, their ideas, etc. and that’s fine. It’s also fine to voice your opinion like you’ve done here. We’re all mature adults here that will reply to your questions or concerns in a mature (and sometimes immature) way, but always in a respectful manner. So keep on listening and posting. I’m sure you’ll keep having a great time!

          • And Michael-Orian has been posting here off and on for awhile. He’s been around the block with us. This is just the first time he has stuck his head out with a criticism and so I don’t want him to feel like I’m biting his head off about it. I just think there is a wide spectrum of approaches to film criticism and I am happiest when we cover as many of those as possible.

    • I’m sorry if I made it seem like I was judging them personally it certainly was not my intention. It was merely an observation. I still enjoy the podcast quite a bit and am a frequent listener. I really didn’t want to come off as a troll or anything and wouldn’t dare make things a personal attack.

  13. I’ve been listening to the podcast for a while now, this is the first time that I decided to write to you guys. This was a great show as all of them are. I love the Scream series and am one person who really enjoys part 3 more than i should. Just wanted to tell you guys how much I enjoy the show and I really appreciate how much hard work you do for the show.


    • Very kind of you, Jason. Thanks for listening. We see the downloads, so we know you guys are out there, but we always love it when someone new reaches out, even if they are a long-time listener.

  14. I just got back from seeing THE VISIT. I’ll save my more detailed thoughts for next week’s episode, but I’ll say that it’s more than worth checking out despite Shyamalan’s reputation. It had some creepiness, a couple good scares, some laughs, a little heart, a good moral at the end, and yes, even a twist (Shocker, I know). The only thing I truly hated about the movie was something that happens to one of the kid’s faces. Totally unnecessary.

    • I’m glad you enjoyed the movie. I’ve been saving my thoughts on it as well, but *spoiler alert* I’m coming in very high on this. I urge everyone to check it out. In my personal opinion, I believe it’s a must-see at the theater. A must.

      • I agree with Juan that you should make sure to see this while it’s in the theaters and I agree with Sal that the “face-related” bit was unnecessary. Ma and Jay (and a special guest) did a full hour on The Visit in the upcoming episode (including a spoiler discussion). Looking forward to more discussion about this one here on the site.

  15. I’m 25 so Scream came out when I was about 6. I remember Halloween being dominated by Ghostface masks for the longest time. Even though he hadn’t seen the movie, my brother wanted one but my parents were too cheap to get the real deal so he ended up with a wonky looking Wal-mart knock off. There was even a Boy Meets World episode that was definitely Scream influenced and even had Jennifer Love Hewitt in it(I Know What You Did Last Summer obviously being influenced by Scream).

    I actually didn’t see this movie until maybe 6 or 7 years ago and I haven’t seen any of the sequels because I assumed they weren’t worthwhile. These episodes makes me want to give them a shot. Either way, the first one is definitely one of my favorites and it’s always fun to watch. I think this movie appealed to so many people at the time because it got a lot of things right about that period. The dialogue, the fashion, the activities, etc. It didn’t have a lot of that unrealistic stuff going on that makes you say, “no one really does/says that”. I think it worked because it’s well done even if you remove the horror/slasher parts of it. It’s a movie 90s kids can watch and think, “yup, that was us”. There are parts in there where you almost forget you’re watching a horror movie and instead it feels like you’re watching a 90s teen comedy but that fact only adds to the movie. Also, there was a jarring tension developed in 90s movies and I think this movie does that really well and pushes it even further. Matthew Lillard is the best character. He seems like a maniac who’s about to snap the entire movie. His whole performance is kind of intimidating. His dialogue at the end when he’s been stabbed is really creepy and intense and it sticks with you, as someone else mentioned. This movie was definitely the face 90s horror. It’s impossible to argue with that. I know that era was a rough time for horror but Ghostface was everywhere for 3/4ths of a decade. I think Scream’s dominance also allowed horror to become more relevant in pop culture than ever before. Again, the fact that it ultimately influenced an episode of Boy Meets World is proof of that. It made horror cool, at least for a while, for better or for worse.

  16. Such a great episode! I love that you guys do an overview of the franchise after the individual movie reviews.

    After hearing so many cool Wes Craven stories I wanted to share a little story that I thought you may enjoy. I was about 5 years old when I had the first nightmare that I vividly remember. My sister and I were being babysat by a man that I’ve never met before. He pulled me aside and whispered to me that if I ever see someone with a face that starts changing, that means that he’s Freddy Kreuger. As soon as he said that, I noticed in the mirror that his face started changing, almost morphing. I yelled for my sister and ran and he started chasing us and then I woke up. I think about that dream a lot because at that point in time, I had no idea who Freddy was. I’m sure that since he was such an icon and movies were still currently being made his name and image had seeped into my subconscious but I had never seen any of the Nightmare movies yet.
    I was floored when I finally found out who Freddy was and realized that I had a Nightmare about someone that I didn’t know about and that kills in nightmares! I can’t think of a more fitting nightmare to have and it’s all because of Wes Craven.

    I’m really excited about the upcoming reviews on the Nightmare series. Take care!

    • I still need to catch the second episode, but I mostly loved the first one. Already have such a more positive reaction towards it than I did for the SCREAM TV series.

  17. Just found out Nightmare on Elm Street’s Heather Langenkamp’s special effects company is doing the effects for Scream Queens too…

  18. I apologize for this ahead of time but MEEP the Scream tv series…Just watched 2 hours of the most engaging witty funny intriguing horror comedy I may have ever seen…and the soundtrack rocks too…

  19. You guys have done an excellent job reviewing the Scream franchise. I don’t know that I have much to add other than my personal experience with the films. I was in the tenth grade when I first saw Scream. I missed it in the theaters due to the remote location that I grew up in and the fact that I didn’t have my driver’s license yet. My girlfriend at the time got her friend at the video store to make a copy for me when they got the tapes in. So I watched a bootleg vhs of Scream two days before it arrives on the shelves in the video store. I was blown away! I rewatched the movie immediately that night. Over the course of the next few months I wore that vhs out! I saw scream 2 and 3 as they came out and was less impressed with each outing. I never saw 4 and probably never will. Among Wes Craven’s films Scream ranks number three for me. That rank shouldn’t be interpreted as a slight to Scream, but as a compliment to Mr. Craven and his legacy. Sure he made some stinkers (Looking at you, Shocker) but no one wins every time. The fact is that he has made several truly amazing horror films. He was one of the few true masters of horror. There is no need to sugarcoat his filmography or speak highly of the films that missed the mark. That diminishes the true greatness of his works. Some stand above others, and those films serve to highlight his talents. And Josh, I don’t know what you’re looking for out of werewolf movies but Cursed was not bad. I remember enjoying it at the time of its release and upon rewatching it. I am curious as to your top 5 werewolf movies, as a point of reference. Here’s mine:
    1. An American Werewolf in London (duh)
    2. Dog Soldiers
    3. The Howling
    4. Wolf
    5. Late Phases (I know the werewolves themselves were not done very well, but that movie was awesome.)
    I agree that they just don’t make many good werewolf movies, but Cursed surely sits in the top fifty percentile of those that have been made. Wow, I went on for a bit. My bad…

  20. Since we’re ending the year in just a few short months, I thought about sharing a list of my favorite horror movies of 2015 so far and a list of horror movies (that I’m aware of) I’m looking forward to the most. I encourage everyone to do the same as I’d like to watch as much quality horror as possible before the end of the year. In this way, my list and yours will be that much better if we help each other out. My list is pretty weak as you can see, but the top two for sure are staying in the top ten. Anyway, here are my lists:

    Top horror movies of 2015 (so far)

    1. It Follows
    2. The Visit
    3. Spring
    4. Preservation
    5. Maggie
    6. Unfriended
    7. Zombeavers
    8. Creep
    9. The Lazarus Effect
    10. ?

    Top horror movies of 2015 that I’m looking forward to the most

    1. The Witch
    2. Krampus
    3. Cooties
    4. Crimson Peak
    5. The Green Inferno
    6. Deathgasm
    7. Final Girls
    8. The House on Pine Street
    9. Before I Wake
    10. Rings
    11. Stung
    12. Tales of Halloween
    13. The Zombie Guide to the Zombie Apocalypse
    14. Knock Knock
    15. We Are Still Here

    I look forward to reading your recommendations!

    • Great list, Juan. I’ve been looking forward to Krampus all year! I don’t know if you saw Woman in Black 2. I didn’t like it but I think it’s streaming on Netflix right now.

    • Here are my favorites so far…
      1. It Follows
      2. Cub
      3. Hidden
      4. The Boy
      5. Maggie
      6. Extiction
      7. Blood Sucking Bastards
      8. Dark Was The Night
      9. Preservation
      10. Cooties
      I’m sure The Visit and The Green Inferno would be in my list but I haven’t had the chance to see them…Am also looking foward to Knock Knock, Krampus, Crimson Peak…and most of all Howl…I need a great werewolf movie in my life…

    • Juan, I know you’ll be all like “duh, Dino, I know… you’ve told me like a million times,” but you need to get GIRL HOUSE on that list of 2015 films to see.

  21. Receiving an e-mail from WordPress that a new episode of HMP has been posted, but then coming to the site to see that the link doesn’t work? Jay of the Dead is such a tease. Ha

  22. Again, I’m terribly late to the game on this one, but I wanted to share a few quick thoughts on this episode and the Scream franchise.

    First, the episode was excellent. Both the Wes Craven tribute and the Scream franchise overview were well-done, entertaining, and a nice way to tie up the Scream coverage. Like Juan said above, I wish I could have participated more, but baby happened.

    Wes Craven is a director who I never really thought too much about, but I must have liked him since two of his movies are on my top 10 horror list. The Dude and others have already given excellent tributes to the man, and they’re all well-deserved. His contributions to the genre put him in rare company, and he will be missed.

    The Scream franchise is one that I never really thought of as a “franchise” before. I’m not quite sure why. It’s really just semantics, but my eyes have definitely been opened by the HMP coverage and number of new contributors in the comments. Not only is it a franchise, but it’s undeniably one of the big horror franchises with one of the best horror masks. I love Ghostface.

    I tend to agree with the Wolfman’s comments about holding the Scream franchise to a higher regard. The quality of all four films is markedly higher than what’s found throughout the other major horror franchises. Granted, we’re only at four movies, but it’s still a point worth noting.

    I come in a little higher than the HMP guys on all four Scream films. For me, in order, I say:

    1. SCREAM (1996) – 10/10 (#8 on my top 10 horror list)
    2. SCREAM 2 (1997) – 8/10
    3. SCREAM 3 (2000) – 8/10
    4. SCREAM 4 (2011) – 7.5/10

    Since my eyes have been opened to the fact that Scream is a horror franchise, this may now be my favorite horror franchise.

    There’s one final thing I need to get off my chest. A recurring theme/comment from JOTD throughout the Scream franchise coverage was his continual reference to Scream as a horror/comedy. JOTD… brother… Scream is not horror/comedy.

    Just because a movie has funny parts or comedic elements doesn’t mean it’s a comedy. When I think of horror/comedies, I think of SHAUN OF THE DEAD, or ZOMBIELAND, or THE RETURN OF THE LIVING DEAD, or TREMORS. The Scream movies are nowhere near these films on the comedy spectrum. I was soft earlier on in the coverage about calling Scream a horror/comedy, but I’m coming in hard now – Scream is not a horror/comedy, imo, and it drives me crazy whenever JOTD says it is.

    Anyway, I loved revisiting these films, watching the Scream TV series and listening to the excellent HMP coverage. Thanks, fellas.

  23. As a regular listener and fan of the vast knowledge of these hosts, again I am disappointed by the sexism in these podcasts. I closed the tab on my phone as soon as Jay brought up there not being as many women horror fans.

    Unreal. Not close to true. A tragic, exclusive assumption.

    My previous comment attempt about creating my own podcast was rejecting from a thread here. I’m tha t comment I also brought up sexism and lack of trans rep.

    I’m not angry. Just very bummed. Its overlooked the amount of knowledge trans and women horror fans have to offer.

    Thank you for contributing to horror, thank you for keeping it alive.

    I’m sorry you are exclusive

    Best wishes

    • GraySpider,

      I thank you for your comment, but I honestly don’t know to what you are referring. We have never (intentionally) rejected one of your comments. The first comment from any email address must be manually approved and we aren’t always on top of that. But I personally left you a response to your comment many weeks ago that was meant to be both welcoming and inclusive. If it was taken in another way, I sincerely apologize.

      I can appreciate that we, as three cis men, aren’t always conscious of the specific perspective that provides us. We try to be true to ourselves while also welcoming of all points of view. We only know what we know and can only represent what we’ve been exposed to. We are limited in our experience – as is anyone. The answer is not to shut each other off, but to interact.

      At the time that this episode was recorded, which was over a year ago, our (interactive) listenership was largely male. Since that time, our (interactive) female listenership has grown. I’m not sure this comment would have been made today. Certainly not by me. Of our thousands of listeners, you are the first (openly) trans listener that has ever reached out to us. And so our perception of trans horror fans is that it is a small group. It’s not as exclusive as it is ignorant.

      But I assure you that none of us are intentionally ignorant and we’re always open to comments like these. I’d only prefer that your comment go further to help us see what we are missing. Further, a comment about there being few female horror fans (for example) is never said as a declaration of our desire. We don’t have a gender preference when it comes to horror fans. Something like this would have only been said as an anecdotal, subjective reflection of our reality. If you have a different reality, we want to hear about it. Send us a voicemail to play on the show!

      Or start your own podcast. That’s a great idea! Minority groups (I’m in one myself, as an ethnic minority) should be bold in telling their own stories. We’re here to support that.

      Now, I do think there is more sexism in some of these discussions than I am personally comfortable with. Often that’s because we are dealing with somewhat sexist texts. If we express being turned on by a scene or film that is meant to turn someone on, it’s probably not in the best taste, but it is honest. And so, I don’t love the excessive discussion about “boobs” as an example, but it’s part of the landscape when we’re discussing the films we’re discussing. That’s not an excuse. I’m just saying that it’s tricky. And unlike some other podcasts like Horror Corridor (which is excellent), our podcast is not a prepared essay that we read. We’re just friends digging into these concepts in real time. This is unfiltered.

      You say that you are bummed by the fact that “its overlooked the amount of knowledge trans and women horror fans have to offer” and I would ask … by us? I don’t know what we are doing (or not doing) to overlook women or trans people. We read the comments that come in. We play the voicemails that come in. We get most of them from cis men. It’s not our desire, but we’re not turning those comments away either. We love and accept all of the listeners that we’ve interacted with – except for a few choice trolls – and there have literally only been two in the five years that we’ve been doing the podcast.

      I am 100% open to your point of view and teaching us what we’re missing, but I am failing to see the “tragic exclusivity” that is taking place. At least by us.

      I would love to hear what our other female and trans listeners think about this.

      I know that when it comes to ethnic minorities and sexual orientation we’ve been extremely open and inclusive from the very beginning. If we are failing when it comes to gender, I want to know how and what we can do. Sincerely.

  24. Watched all 4 Scream movies from my collection again after listening to this.

    First big slasher that had films came out when I could watch them new.

    Scream & Wes will always have a place in my heart!

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