Horror Movie Podcast Ep. 069: Sinister 2 (2015) and No Escape (2015) and Alien Abduction (2014) and The Visit (2015)

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It’s HORROR MOVIE PODCAST, where we’re Dead Serious About Horror Movies… Episode 069 is another of our Frankensteinian episodes where we bring you a mad mix of reviews, including Sinister 2 (2015) and Jay’s survival horror recommendation, No Escape (2015). One Sick Puppy of the Dead as Hell Horror Podcast joins Jay for those reviews.

Dr. Shock also brings us a review of the found footage flick, Alien Abduction (2014).

And we have a great surprise with a very special guest — The Wolfman’s wife, Rachel (aka Rach-Hell, aka The She-Wolf) of Movie Stream Cast — who helps us review M. Night Shyamalan’s The Visit (2015).

We also bring you the remaining portion of an interview with the Found Footage Critic, Michael Steinberg. Join us!

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I. Introduction

Welcome guest: One Sick Puppy of the Dead as Hell Horror Podcast

[ 0:05:29 ] II. Impromptu Review: NO ESCAPE (2014)
Jay of the Dead = 9.5 ( Theater / Buy it! )

[ 0:20:58 ] III. Feature Review: SINISTER 2 (2015)
Jay of the Dead = 6 ( Rental )
One Sick Puppy = 1.5 ( Avoid )

[ 0:52:25 ] IV. Impromptu Review: ALIEN ABDUCTION (2014)
Dr. Shock = 8 ( Buy it! )

[ 1:12:48 ] V. Feature Review: THE VISIT (2015) with special guest, Rach-Hell
Jay of the Dead = 7 ( Theater / Solid Rental )
Wolfman Josh = 9.5 ( Theater / Buy it! )
Rach-Hell = 9 ( Theater / Buy it! )

[ 1:57:07 ] VI. Spoiler Section for: THE VISIT (2015)

[ 2:15:05 ] VII. Continued from HMP Ep. 064: An Interview With The Found Footage Critic Michael Steinberg

VIII. Wrap-Up / Plugs / Ending

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84 thoughts on “Horror Movie Podcast Ep. 069: Sinister 2 (2015) and No Escape (2015) and Alien Abduction (2014) and The Visit (2015)

  1. As popular as the themed episodes are, my favorite type of episode are the Frankensteinian ones. When I first began listening to the podcast, I selected the Frankensteinian episodes for the sheer variety that comes from them.

      • Ugh. I don’t want to side with Jay.

        It’s bad enough that I already feel the need to stick up for Jay regarding another issue he’s been dealing with for years.

        So let’s just pretend I hate Frankensteinian episodes.

        Where I do want to side with Jay is his eternal struggle with bullies ridiculing him for loving Frozen. Granted, I’ve only seen the movie once a few years ago, but I really dug it. I’m a big fan of survival horror films when you’re trapped out in the middle of nowhere against either mother nature or an animal predator. Not only was Frozen a horror movie, it’s one that I found to be pretty unsettling. You’re either going to freeze to do death, risk dying by jumping off of the ski lift, or risk dying by killer wolves. That really sucks.

        Now, as a caveat, it should be noted that I have a fear of heights. So the idea of being stuck on a high ski lift is torture for me.

        So for everyone who ever made fun of Jay for digging Frozen, c’mon…there’s plenty of other (And better) reasons to make fun of him!

        • My biggest problems with Frozen come from inaccuracies in how ski resorts and ski lifts work. I know that will not matter to anyone else, but I worked at a ski resort for four years and so it’s just one of those things where it’s hard to get beyond “that’s not how that works” or “that would never happen” but I still like the movie, in fact I still OWN the movie, I just like ribbing Jay for any reason I can find. In fact, a really good friend of mine who I’m writing a vampire script with right now has a small cameo in the film. But taking the movie on its own terms, as presented, the movie is fun, and scary and the situation certainly terrifying enough to be considered a solid entry in survival horror.

          • The whole means of how they got stuck on the ski lift is pretty contrived, but it’s one of those illogical things you expect to see in horror simply for certain things to happen. The set up to me doesn’t mean all that much as long as what follows impacts me in some way.

            I can’t say I remember you ribbing Jay often for his love of Frozen. Maybe it’s because you rib him for so many other things that it’s hard to remember everything. Ha. I recently listened to Jay’s time on The Weekly Horror Movie Podcast and bringing up Jay’s love of the movie was a reoccurring theme.

            I’m a big fan of Adam Green though.

        • Thanks, but I’m not sure what you guys are talking about…

          When I’ve said I love “Frozen” all these years, I’ve been referring to the one with the misunderstood ice princess, her sister and the little talking snowman.
          : )

          • It’s possible that someone could get left on a lift if they snuck on after the last chair sign, but it would be super rare, and even after that, the ski patrol skis the entire length of the lift line once the last chair sign gets to the top, so they’d see them for sure.

            Of course, these things have happened so it’s not completely impossible, but the way it was executed is implausible. And the wolves waiting for them below is ridiculous, unless they’re in British Columbia (this was filmed in Utah).

            The one that bugs me the absolute most is when they grab onto the lift line and it’s as sharp as razor wire. Uh, no. I’ve held onto that dozens of times and jumped from the lift even more times. Freezing to death is the most terrifying aspect to me.

            Whenever I’ve brought it up, it’s only been in joking because other people give Jason a hard time, not because I have a problem with him liking it or call in it horror.

          • I still haven’t seen Disney’s Frozen. When the movie first came out and was gaining all of that attention, I was baffled as to how Adam Green’s Frozen was now the most talked about movie. It took me longer than I care to admit to realize that people weren’t talking about Green’s Frozen, but rather the new Disney movie.

      • Seriously, though. Thanks, Sal. Means a lot. I love both styles of episodes. I think the themed episodes are great, too, of course. I’m just more of a “mood” movie watcher, so I prefer to watch random things that tickle my fancy in the moment, as opposed to having a big list of Freddy sequels homework… ha ha

        But hey, that’s the gig, and I love it!

        I have a theory that the people for whom Survivor Horror movies don’t resonate — scare factor-wise (Adam Green’s “Frozen,” “No Escape”), I suspect those people generally don’t “put themselves in the characters’ shoes” and wonder frantically the whole time: “What would I ever do if I were in that situation?” Just a theory.

        I have a very strong physiological experience where my heart-rate directly corresponds with those who are in these predicaments. This is why I say I almost had a heart attack during “No Escape.”

        And Wolfman, I can’t believe you haven’t taken my many instances of begging you to see “No Escape” as something you have to do ASAP! (It’s like you telling me to watch “The Edge” again, which I still have yet to do… ha ha)

        I would watch it right now, but I’ve got a date with more Mr. Krueger movies… Damned themed episodes! : )


        • As our number of episodes have grown, I no longer consider having to watch the Freddy movies part of my “Themed Episodes” experience. The Nightmare on Elm Street coverage is a “Franchise “Review” and while those are popular and I’m glad we do them, they’re the most trying for me as well. I almost died during the F13th coverage. But a “Themed Episode” like discussing Seige Narratices or Found Footage or our upcoming Cannibal Films are what really get me going. I love diving deep into subgenres, theory, tropes and themes.

        • Do you guys have records of download stats? I’d be kind of curious to hear what tends to draw the most downloads – Frankensteinian, themed, or franchise reviews.

          For survivor horror, the main issue people likely have with it is that in the words of Billchete, “Nothing happens!” There’s a lot of waiting around and non-action. If the movie is kept realistic, the action scenes may be fairly low key too. So for the hardcore horror fans, survivor horror may be something they consider to be more drama than actual horror.

          You could be right about not putting themselves in the character’s shoes. I always try to put myself in their shoes and wonder what would I do and how the MEEP am I supposed to get out of this alive?

          I’m really looking forward to October though. The Nightmare films are some of the earliest horror movies I saw as a kid.

          • I believe that the Franchise Reviews do the best per capita. Then, Franekstein, then Themed. If you count the Franchise Reviews as Themed episodes, then Themed edges out Frakensteinian and Themed are more popular. It’s all pretty close. Jay would know best, though. I’m referencing stats that are almost a year old.

      • I’ve always enjoyed both varieties of episode for differing reasons. The Frankensteinian offerings can be a little more hit and miss due to their nature but sometimes the tangents afforded by this format veer into the most incredible territory. Jay and a very slightly tipsy Doc stumbling jovially across the cinematic wasteland of Jan-Gel has to be one my favourite podcast scenarios ever! It’s also great to get a diverse and sometimes obscure (obscurity being a principal factor to me) selection of reviews/discussions. To be extremely specific though, I have to say that my all time favourite format of the show is the type of themed episode whose shape is described by socio-political themes rather than franchise/genre correlation. I do love the franchise and sub-genre based episodes but I just don’t think there’s anything more satisfying than listening to the hosts connect the thematic dots between disparate films and get really deep into all that great subtextual stuff.

        Whatever the format though, I just don’t think these guys have it in them to produce a bad episode.

  2. I could be convinced to watch No Escape if it takes place in Cambodia. Other options would be Laos or, what? China? Was it in a land-locked location or were there beautiful beaches? After the xenophobia of The Green Inferno, I don’t know if I’m in the mood for another scary foreigners film, but if it actually is Cambodia, I could be convinced to watch it as supplemental to the new season of survivor that was filmed there. It is gorgeous.

    I will say, I think One Sick Puppy is way off about Owen Wilson’s range. After he had his start in his own dramedy film with Bottle Rocket (a style which has gone on to define his career), he was in action/horror flick Anaconda, a grim movie where he played a serial killer incredibly well called The Minus Man, straight-up heavy drama Permanent Midnight, horror movie The Haunting, action/comedy movies Armageddon and I-Spy, and straight-up actioner Behind Enemy Lines, which is closest to a Tom Cruise movie than I suspect No Escape is.

      • Dude! Yes! This had better be on the No Escape soundtrack. It should have at least been referenced in the Survivor “Second Chance” premiere. That’s why you need Lex in there. Missed opportunity.

        • As soon as I was aware of the location this song jumped into to my head as a perfect alternate theme tune to the season. Although the meaning behind the lyrics would of course suggest otherwise.

    • Josh, do you think that the apparent xenophobia in “The Green Inferno” is partly there in homage to the tradition of cannibal movies or is it another of Roth’s (in my opinion) common writing miscalculations?

      • David, Eli Roth is clearly homaging other cannibal movies. In fact, he gives a list of his references in the closing credits, which is one of my favorite things about the movie.

        He’s also very well-traveled, so I would assume he’s a bit more enlightened than that.

        And, of course, cannibals and headhunters do exist or have existed. My dad is from Fiji and Fijians were cannibal warriors … this is just taken to the absolute extreme. Especially considering that this film was probably inspired by THIS kind of sad, recent news story: http://bit.ly/1jcelCR (I know this article is from 2014, but the first part of the story was making the rounds back somewhere in 2010-2011)

        I could appreciate the film on a pure horror level, but I do understand why some mainstream film critics have said things like “it’s a racially reprehensible work that exploits one of the world’s most powerless peoples.”

        I think the big thing that all of these critics could be missing is that the film feels like satire. I think the film is very aware that they’re playing on stereotypes and they have a lot of fun with the audience’s feelings and expectations about those stereotypes.

        The confusing thing to me is that Roth is a world traveler and yet most of his work (the Hostel films are the same way), encourage a xenophobic view of other cultures. Maybe he’s just finding horror in the life experiences that he’s had. I don’t fault him for it. I just think I might need a break before No Escape.

        Jason, if you’ve read this far past all of my “PC crap” … sorry for that. But, also I don’t remember you begging me to watch No Escape. I remember you bringing it up once and I will definitely check it out eventually.

        • Well I can’t imagine that most mainstream critics are particularly well versed in the perceivably xenophobic tropes of older films in the sub-genre (of course it’d be remiss not to note that Cannibal Holocaust made a point of showcasing the hypocrisy inherent in such westernised notions, but for the most part the sub-genre is definitely a bit problematic) so they likely missed any elements of homage/satire.

          I think this issue speaks to one of the problems I have with Roth’s output in general though; his films often seem perfectly set up for satirical subtext (as several of us pointed out with regards to Hostel in the comments of the Horrors of Consumerism episode) but I just feel like he’s all too willing to let those elements be overshadowed by the shock value of his approach. “Hostel” could have been a great critique of unmitigated capitalism/consumerism yet it’s satirical nature is muddied by the xenophobic streak you mentioned, emphasis on depressing torture and characters that are hard to relate to. I can never tell if his subtext is just handled so subtlety that it becomes ambiguous or if he’s just not a refined enough writer to make it count.

        • I was looking forward to Green Inferno and was seriously disappointed. Let’s be honest, the acting—especially the blonde friend with an oddly-shaped head—was horrible. It picked up later, but I can’t help feel regretful that I didn’t watch this at home on VOD. We need some better horror in theaters.

  3. Just looking at the Alien Abduction poster, it looks like the alien’s face is intended to be formed from a collection of redacted portions of the official record. Does that make sense? They were redacting or blacking-out all of the classified information and in doing so drew an alien’s head. So, it may very well have been done with a black magic marker on a page printed with an old printer. Maybe you were both right. Kind of a cool concept.

  4. The visit was not a good movie at all . The found footage was not needed in the movie . This movie was very watered down . . I was so bored in the movie . I like the kids but other then that ,it was slow paced . Am sick of these so called pg 13 horror movies . Thank god for the green inferno . Y’all was too over the moon for this movie , I figured out what was wrong half way through the movie . And the whole problem would have been solved by one thing was Google before they went to see the grandparent.

    • Well, they didn’t think they needed to Google bc their mom was involved.

      And if we’re “too over-the-moon” (which may be true, I think all three of us were rooting for M Night), you’re being too hard on it.

      It didn’t need to be found footage, but it is a good use of found footage and I think it added some good scares.

      I could have enjoyed an R-rated version of this movie, but I like what was presented here–a lot!

      • I’ve never understood why horror movies that are rated PG-13 get such crap from so called “horror fans” when there are plenty of great examples of PG-13 horror that are better than many of their R rated films. The Ring, Poltergeist, The Visit, Insidious, The Others, The Sixth Sense.I rest my case, now enough with this PG-13 crap!

        Willis, you’re absolutely 100% wrong, bro. I love you, but you’re wrong. Sorry, but if you really think The Green Inferno was a better movie, your definition of horror is a very shallow one. Don’t get me wrong, I enjoyed The Green Inferno for what it was, but it’s nowhere near The Visit. It just can’t touch it. It can’t even stare at it directly.

        • I think some criticism of the PG-13 rated trend is valid when it comes to films that feel compromised by an attempt to appeal to the widest audience possible but to be honest I usually find this is more of an issue in the modern action and sci-fi genres. It seems like less of those movies are willing to supply the grit and bloodlust of their predecessors for the sake of making a bit more money at the box office.

          As for horror; I tend to not be particularly enthralled by modern horror that’s blatantly targeting at a young teenage audience but that’s often more to do with the tendency of such films to be insultingly formulaic and condescending than anything else. I don’t think the rating has that much to do with it aside from it happening to coincide with this type of lowest common denominator offering. In my opinion a PG-13 horror movie that’s well executed can quite often prove creepier and more atmospheric than a more explicit offering because without the safety net of gore and boobs the filmmakers have to put more thought into how to actually create tension and a spooky tone (which are the elements of the genre that I find most effective). I do love gore but it’s far from the be-all and end-all of the genre and I’m a firm believer in the less-is-more approach.

        • Even though there are exceptions to the rule, look at how many PG-13 duds there were in the 2000’s. It seemed like any time the PG-13 rating was attached to a movie, particularly a remake, it was a sign that it was going to be really tame.

      • Am not being hard on it . I was bored in the movie . Most of the movie was already called out once one part happened . I had more fun looking at the krampus trailer then the whole movie of the visit . M .night is really a one trick pony . Hate to break to u . How can u mess up the last airbender.

        • if u want to see some good horror movies , you have to looking to indy horror . i seen so many horrors and movies in general , when stuff is too easy to point out , am going to call it out , and the visit was not that good , had too many plot holes for me .

          • Having (literally) watched about 50 found footage movies over the Summer to prepare for our found footage episode, I’m not even the slightest bit hesitant about saying that The Visit is in the top 10%.

            Plus, it had some great tension, scares and laughs and I can watch it in mixed company (with folks who aren’t necessarily horror fans) so that’s an all-around win for me. Perfect Halloween Party movie. It’s not gonna make the “greatest horror ever movies” list, but it 100% accomplished what it set out to do.

  5. I’d like to see a remake of The Visit with Jay of the Dead replacing Tyler and Wolfman Josh replacing Becca. The similarities between the HMP hosts and the characters in the movie is pretty funny.

    Bonus points if Josh keeps his beard while playing the role of a 15 year old girl.

  6. I saw Alien Abduction on Netflix back in May, so memory of it won’t be the best. I remember liking it well enough. The tunnel scene was likely the highlight of the movie. Even though they tried to explain why there would always be a camera rolling, it still felt unnecessary. Part of the annoyance of found footage films is that so many of them have it for the sake of having it. That wouldn’t be so bad if we weren’t in a time period where we’re overloaded with found footage flicks. I’m not a huge fan of alien abduction type movies, but this one did seem better than your average one. I’d give it a solid RENT IT rating.

    It continues to amaze me how fanatic Michael Steinberg is when it comes to found footage movies. Even though I don’t agree with him on all of his points, I do agree that a found footage movie is best when it’s realistic in terms of the event being mild enough that you believe it could have happened and you missed the coverage of it.


    I’m not as hard as Shyamalan as others, likely because I wasn’t as big of his early work as others. As a result, I never felt crushed when the second coming of Steven Spielberg proved that he wasn’t. I enjoyed The Sixth Sense, thought Unbreakable was forgettable, loved Signs, thought The Village was enjoyable but ultimately failed because it was marketed as a horror film, Lady in the Water an average movie, The Happening was absolute garbage that is likely fun if you’re drunk and in the mood to laugh at a movie, and I never got around to seeing The Last Airbender nor After Earth.

    The Visit might be my favorite Shyamalan movie. Even though it’s found footage, it’s not so bad since the quality is almost always fantastic and clear. Minus the few night scenes, it’s easy to forget that it’s found footage. The two kids were likable even if I would have thrown a rock at Tyler’s face if I was stuck around him with him rapping all the time. I dug Tyler’s fear of germs as it was a nice contrast to his over the top confidence that he portrayed while rapping. Becca’s refusal to look at herself in the mirror didn’t mean anything to me though. It seemed forced and they already had a good backstory trait with Becca keeping anger in instead of letting it out to be free of it. The basic idea of being stuck with a couple of old people while their health is deteriorating is effective in being scary for that age group. In hindsight, they probably shouldn’t have been sent to their grandparents house for a full week when they had never even met them before. It’s too much all at once.

    Due to all of the night scenes being shown in the trailers, they didn’t scare me. I did find the scene under the house to be terrifying though. Being around someone who isn’t in their right mind for whatever reason, is alarming and I don’t think it matters how old you are, it’s still scary. It doesn’t even matter if you know you can handle a person out of their mind physically. There’s something unsettling about someone who is…off.

    – The following contains spoilers for THE VISIT –

    I liked the twist that the grandparents weren’t the real ones. Even though the movie would have still worked had they been the real ones, it added a new fear. Putting myself in the shoes of the mother, imagine how utterly terrifying it would be when you’re shown a shot of the people your kids are staying with and they’re not your parents. That fear stayed with me because what are you even supposed to do in a situation like that? You’re hours away. If there is a negative to this, the revelation of this twist didn’t change anything for the teens. They were fearful before and they were fearful after. Take away that twist and you wouldn’t have changed anything involving the teens. All it did was add fear for the mother.

    I absolutely hated the scenes with the dirty Depends. It’s toilet humor and unless it’s a low brow comedy, it doesn’t work. There might have been a good amount of comedy in the movie, but the toilet humor felt out of place. The scene where the dirty Depends is put on Tyler’s face is a moment where I would have turned off turned off the movie if I was watching it on DVD and wasn’t enjoying it as much as I did. I get that they were trying to connect it to Tyler’s fear of germs, but there’s a million of ways you can play into that germophobia without resorting to something so crass.

    I thought the revelation at the end for why the mother stopped talking to her parents was unnecessary. I kept waiting for the explanation, but after the twist comes, it felt like it was no longer needed. Does it really matter what happened when the grandparents were dead? I even dig the idea of purposely not telling what happened as the writer’s way of telling the audience that no longer matters. If it’s no longer meaningful, why tell? Am I wrong for thinking the line about the mother being able to reach out to her parents at any point, but choosing not to, was meant to be a huge moment? If it was, it failed to impact me in any way. Sure, the mom had control, but it didn’t take away from the fact that Becca believed her mom would be better off if she had a relationship with her parents again. Chances are, the mother would have been pulled into a relationship with her parents, whether she wanted to or not. Success. Well…minus the fact that the parents were dead.

    I do like the life lesson at the end of the movie. Don’t hold on to anger. It’s better than the average horror life lessons as told by Randy in Scream. It gave the movie some heart.

    – End of The Visit Spoiler –

    Ultimately, I really liked the movie despite some qualms. It’s one I plan on watching again after it gets released on Blu-Ray to see how I view it knowing everything that will happen and the twists. I’d rate it a 8.5 and it’s more than worth spending some money to see it in the theater.

    Now excuse me while I find some kid to clean the back of my oven.

    • “The two kids were likable even if I would have thrown a rock at Tyler’s face if I was stuck around him with him rapping all the time.”

      I haven’t seen this movie yet but I’m starting to understand the correlation you previously highlighted between the character of Tyler and our very own Jay!

      Jay; I’m kidding and I love when we get to hear some of your rhymes! I genuinely hope that you and Josh will record a cover of that Nightmare on My Street song. I’d be a much bigger fan of rap if was mainly performed by polite, mormon horror fans.

  8. One of my friends saw “No Escape” and found it at best of dubious taste and at worst straight up racist; rich white people being chased by murderous Asians. Is that an over-sensitive reading?

      • Sometimes it does seem that Jay doesn’t always pick up on this sort of stuff, which I don’t think is indicative of any ethical failings on his part and more likely stems from those kind of issues just not being at the forefront of his mind when he giddily sits down with his soda and popcorn . I remember him going pretty easy on that movie (from last year?) that portrayed all athiests as horrible, morally bankrupt abominations. And lets try and forget about the “Song of the South” debacle!

        But my friend is super analytical so might just be reading too much into it? Either way I don’t know that there’s a rule that says politically incorrect movies can’t also be effective? Is there?

  9. I’m going to save my thoughts for a proper review, but having just gotten back from seeing the Green Inferno, is anyone else surprised that they got away with a R rating?

  10. I came to The Visit with negative percent expectations. After M Night swung & missed at his five previous efforts in a row, I was quite disinclined to experience his sixth. Seeing good filmmakers make bad films is disheartening. His talent was pushed aside by his poor choices & hubris. The Village was sold, like Lost, as a creature feature. His twist from point A to point B, in order to work, really talked down to his audience. His fall from Hollywood grace originated with that script. He assumed his followers would travel through valleys of ghosts, superheroes (& villains for that matter), & water fearing aliens to believe any ending thrown down their throats. Lady in the Water makes Battlefield Earth look like Orson Welles’ missing cut of The Magnificent Ambersons. The Happening was hands down the best comedy of 2008. It would be unfair to comment on The Last Airbender & After Earth, as not even alcohol could get me through the both of them. Devil was fun & I wish he had helmed it. That would’ve been the perfect segue into a second chance career path.

    Reducing my expectations actually helped the outcome of The Visit. The talk of him “being back” is impetuous to say the least. The man hasn’t helmed an across the board successful film since he gave us fears concerning crop circles. If this film came out around the time of Paranormal Activity he would’ve sustained his hack reputation that has since subsided with this release. People would accuse him of running with an idea from that success. This film, however, is quite fun. The twist works, even in the age of everyday technology that consumes our lives from morning to night, that could’ve wounded it’s outcome. Instead, the script is fun, the kids are perfectly cast (despite some unrealistic “Juno” moments of dialogue), the scares are relevant, the grandparents steal the show, & M Night appears to be in command behind the camera. The huge issue he’ll have with this, like most of his films, is being inferior on a repeat viewing. I’m sure I’ll catch 100 MPH fastball heat for this, BUT The Sixth Sense is almost unwatchable a second time & fully a third.

    He now has my attention for the first time in twelve years. Welcome back to the big leagues, Mr. Shyamalan, for the time being.


    PS: Hopefully Jay doesn’t destroy this post due to his emotional (yet unsettling) attachment to The Village.

  11. Yay for Rachel! It’s always fun to hear thoughts about genre offerings from articulate non-horror fans. I’ve not been a Shyamalan fan for a long time (though I adore “The Sixth Sense” and “Unbreakable”) and I share Josh’s problems regarding the chintzy contrivances of “Signs” but you guys have me pretty sold on “The Visit”

  12. Hey Horror Movie Podcast. Just found you guys, burnt through the Jason and Michael recaps, looking forward to Freddy! (the Scream review was also good!)

  13. The Visit may be my favorite horror movie of 2015 so far. I think it’s possibly the best use of found footage I’ve seen outside of Blair Witch. Biggest reason why? They’re kids. I remember being a camera wielding kid who kind of hoped I could catch something scary on film. Children don’t make ideal decisions, are naturally more naive and many times don’t have the sense of fear that adults have so it makes sense that they would film even when it got really spooky. Also, they weren’t really being attacked until the end of the movie so there was no glaring reason to put the camera down. This movie has a lot of elements that I prefer in horror and movies in general: it was small scale(only a handful of characters, more or less takes place in once location, which I think adds a level of realism), it works to build characters and atmosphere instead of only using horrific imagery, gore and jump scares and it’s genuinely creepy/unsettling. As much as a PG-13 rating can be restrictive, it can also be a very good thing. Sometimes restrictions force you to really make up for it in other ways. It can’t rely on gore and graphic violence as a detraction for a boring story with dull characters and poor atmosphere. I think this is a perfect example of that. I also think this film took a lot of stereotypical elements/moments from possession and supernatural movies but applied them to real people with mental illnesses instead of ghosts and possessed characters. Again, totally added a layer of realism and real creepiness. I thought the twist was great too and I didn’t see that specifically coming.

    • Great post. I agree with virtually everything you say except that it’s the best horror of 2015. As far as the filming goes, one other thing that explains why it makes sense that they keep filming besides being kids and weren’t in actual danger until the end is the fact that sketchy things were all explained by seemingly logical explanations. Grandma acts like a maniac during the night? Oh, she has sundowning condition.

      • I don’t think it’s the best, just my favorite so far. I had the most fun watching it. I think It Follows is a better/bolder and more interesting movie but I enjoyed watching this one more. And that’s an awesome point! They really worked to keep this grounded and seeming believable.

  14. Excellent Frankensteinian episode, fellas, despite all the NO ESCAPE talk.

    I finally got through all of the comments on this episode, and I have to say it hurts my soul a little that there hasn’t been any SINISTER 2 talk. Or, maybe it hurts my soul that SINISTER 2 wasn’t a better film. That said, I still enjoyed the movie for what it was. Obviously, nowhere near as good as the first installment, but I did think it had value. I like the kids in the film. Sal mentioned this a few weeks ago when we were discussing the first Sinister film that it has a CHILDREN OF THE CORN sort of feel to it. Scary kids in horror movies terrify me, so this works. I’ll admit the kids in SINISTER 2 aren’t nearly as menacing as they are in the first movie, but I still like the idea.

    My biggest problem with SINISTER 2, though, was that I thought Bagul was in the film too much. He wasn’t as aggressive in the first film. He was more subtle, with just a hint of him here or there for most of the movie. I liked that “wait, did I just see something?” approach with him better than the more aggressive, in your face Bagul in the second movie.

    Overall, I agree with a lot of what JOTD said in his review. I really like the Bagul character and the Sinister “lore.” I disagree with One Sick Puppy about the snuff films in this one. While they aren’t as good as the ones in the first installment, I did think they were still highly effective.

    I come in a little higher on this one at a 7.5/10 and say it’s worth a watch.

    p.s. Why does everyone keep calling THE VISIT found footage? Isn’t one of the simplest conceits of found footage that the footage must be… found?! This footage is never lost, and so it cannot be found. It’s constructed as a documentary film and presented as such. I think mockumentary is a more accurate classification.

    • p.p.s. Like many others here, I also really liked THE VISIT. I really liked the crazy episodes and how it was all grounded in reality. I even liked the twist at the end. I think I come in at an 8.5/10, and say it’s worth a theater ticket.

      I’d like to discuss it further, but others have already done a fine job here. Plus, my brain is mush right now.


      WRONG, Dino !!! Maybe The Visit is ultimately just a mockumentary because the characters survive, but it is not at all constructed that way. The scenes are cut together aggressively. We see behind the scenes moments during camera set-ups, many that would never make the cut of an actual documentary. These are found footage storytelling devices. The only thing here that doesn’t jive with found footage conceits is the reoccurring score at the end. Right?!!!

      • Don’t forget the footage of the kids with their father. And, I could be wrong, but I think I remember a scene or two that contained a voice-over – I’m thinking of a scene about mid-way through where Becca is talking about why she won’t include footage of her father, while we see a reflection in the mirror of her watching said footage.

        I thought about the elements you mentioned and how they would never appear in a documentary. But, I don’t know if I necessarily agree that they wouldn’t appear in “this” documentary. The rough cuts and behind the scenes shots certainly added an element of getting to know the characters and the situation. I’m no filmmaker, but maybe it was a conscious decision by the precocious Becca to include them in her documentary.

        While I still think it fits the mockumentary model better, I’ll admit that it doesn’t fit it perfectly. At the very least, I think we can find common ground in saying that this isn’t exactly a typical found footage film.

    • When I saw sinister I didn’t know what to expect and was quite pleased. Going to see Sinister 2 I really just wanted to see more snuff movies. That’s basically what you get. It’s like your ghost pals put together a horror anthology for you to watch. It was fun but I’m not wishing for a third film.

  15. JOTD really “brought it” during the spoilers for the visit. Wow, once he said what he said the whole movie made sense. Wow… Probably brings it to a 7.5 for me. Nice to have Rachel on HMP as well. My wife likes some horror but since we had a child she won’t watch anything with kids so the visit was out. In the theater people were laughing at weird places like in Wolfman’s theater. I think people didn’t know how to take the strange mix of comedy and the horror in The Visit. There were also two children about 5 and 3 years old with their parents in our theater and that was very awkward. As far as critiques I’d say I never felt the kids were in danger. I know they were at times but it just felt like they would always get away. That made it feel like mild horror. I thought the mom and kids were a little too cool but I can get over it. The worst part was that the trailer spoiled most of the movie for me. I’ve seen the trailer at every horror movie this year staring in January. I felt like the first 3/4 of the movie was just a director’s cut of the trailer. That’s not the movie’s fault but it affected my enjoyment ALOT.

  16. Damn, I hate having to scroll over all the spoilers for The Visit. I haven’t seen it yet, but I’m hoping M. Night is back!

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