Horror Movie Podcast Ep. 075: The Green Inferno (2015) and Bone Tomahawk (2015) and Cannibals in Horror Cinema

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Welcome to HORROR MOVIE PODCAST, where we’re Dead Serious About Horror Movies. This is Episode 075, another themed episode, where we discuss Cannibals in Horror Cinema and dissect the horrors of the other white meat. We begin with our usual, in-depth discussion and analysis of the theme itself and a number of notable film entries to the sub-genre. And we conclude with two Feature Reviews of recent entries Bone Tomahawk (2015) and Eli Roth’s The Green Inferno (2015). Join us, or we’ll eat you!

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I. Introduction
— Welcome. We’re resuming a bi-weekly schedule for a while.

[ 0:02:40 ] II. THEMED DISCUSSION: Cannibal Horror Movies — An Overview
— Thinking about cannibalism: Alive, Albert Fish, The Donner Party, Alfred Packer, Jeffrey Dahmer
— 33-min. Vice documentary “Interview With a Cannibal”
— “Cannibal Holocaust” (1980)
— Italian cannibal films
— “Keep the River on Your Right: A Modern Cannibal Tale” (2000)
— “The Search for Michael Rockefeller” (2011)
— “Welcome to the Jungle” (2007)
— “Cannibal Apocalypse” (1980)
— “Blood Feast” (1963)
— “Blood Diner” (1987)
— “Survive!” (1976)
— “Tooth and Nail” (2007)
— Hannibal the Cannibal and his movies
— The Texas Chain Saw Massacre (and its franchise)
— “Motel Hell” (1980)
— “The Hills Have Eyes” movies
— “We Are What We Are” (2010, 2013)
— “Ravenous” (1999)
— “Sweeney Todd: The Demon Barber of Fleet Street” (2007)
— “Eating Raoul” (1982)
— And a number of other rapid-fire cannibal movie mentions…

[ 1:51:31 ] III. Feature Review: BONE TOMAHAWK (2015)
Jay of the Dead = 10 ( Masterpiece / Must-see / Buy it! )
Wolfman Josh = 8 ( High-priority Rental )

[ 2:13:27 ] IV. Feature Review: THE GREEN INFERNO (2015)
Jay of the Dead = 7.5 ( Theater / Buy it! )
Wolfman Josh = 7.5 ( Rental, maybe buy it for the Blu-ray )

V. Wrap-Up / Plugs / Ending

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95 thoughts on “Horror Movie Podcast Ep. 075: The Green Inferno (2015) and Bone Tomahawk (2015) and Cannibals in Horror Cinema

  1. Jay had wanted to call this “The Other White Meat” but I’d already made the art with the more boring, straight-forward title (to match our other themed eps), but I did like his alt title a lot. Let’s hear yours … I know I said “Eat Me” on the show, but my alt, more creative title would have been “Scrambled Legs” … winner-winner human dinner?

    • That joke cracks me up every time. Anytime someone says that phrase, I burst out in my best Elton John. It took super-human restraint not to do it on the show, but I was weak during post-production.

      Also: This has to be the only time — in his entire life — that Elton John will get to make an appearance on a horror podcast…

    • Damn that Jay of the Dead. He had me checking all of my tabs to try and find where that music was coming from before I finally realized it was just coming from the podcast. >_>

      • Sal – A little non-HMP related tip: if you use Chrome or Safari for web browsing, they throw up a little microphone/speaker icon on the tab(s) that is/are currently making sound, so it’s easier to identify the guilty tab. I think you can also just click on that little mic/speaker icon to mute the sound on that tab.

        Now, excuse me while I push up my glasses and check my pocket protector.

        • A very good tip and one that while I already knew about Chrome, I didn’t realize Safari was doing it too. Alas, my main browser is Firefox (I have a bunch of browsers installed that I use for various things).

          I keep trying to use Chrome as my main browser, but old habits are hard to break.

  2. Uuugh … I absolutely hate everything I said between 51:09 and 52:54. Inarticulate, rambling, AND on a high horse? Sorry everyone for that. If I had been editing this episode you wouldn’t have been subjected to it. I often record these episodes without any notes whatsoever and so at least once per episode you get these moments where I find myself talking and have no idea what I’m saying or where I’m going with it. It makes listening back a brutal experience. Like a little light within me suddenly turned off. Haha

  3. Looking forward to this one. Surprised that BONE TOMAHAWK made it on the show. I thought you guys recorded this before it was released.

    I’m going to try and listen to this during lunch. Or is that not recommended?

  4. A great cast as usual guys. My one issue that made me a bit worked up and it had nothing to do with you guys really but the reading of the “sensitive film critic”
    The new social justice warriors that hold the world to this new day of political
    correctness. Personally I don’t like that word “Social Justice Warrior” but the fact that this person (i’ll leave it genderless so I don’t offend) pointed out all the typical tropes of horror and issues of race and gender to me are all a null and void when you don’t have history of the genre.
    Now Im making an assumption here but I really get disgruntled when I see “mainstream” movie critics chime in on horror and even more extreme horror such as this when they have no point of reference. Now for all I know this critic could be a horror expert, but just watch it for what it is and stop trying to nit pick every little social narrative that we may see. Now I know im not the most overly sensitive person, and have crocodile skin because very rarely am I ever offended, but hearing people cry and complain about movies like this…I mean what did you expect from a movie about Cannibals. I just think these type of people go out of there way to look for every little thing and bring people down. All in all its a movie, let play out and enjoy what you see on the screen and when you exit the theater then you can think about saving the world again.
    My horrible writing, grammar, and insensitive anti PC views don’t reflect on you guys at all. I was just making a generalized statement. I mean no matter how good or bad you think this movie is, I walked out of the theater when I saw this just thinking “that was fun”.
    So anyways, rant over and again great cast guys. I’ll look for a few of those cannibal films you mentioned that I hadn’t seen.

  5. Regarding Jay’s question of “is it okay to kill an animal for the sake of art?”, although it’s sort of a complicated issue*, my opinion on it can pretty much be summed up as: if you need to kill something to make your art then you shouldn’t be making art. It’s why I think the shock-art approach of Damien Hirst is so utterly vile and depressing.

    *The complications I feel come mostly from the Documentary medium where depictions of animal deaths might be filmed for the sake of documenting a particular lifestyle or culture or used in a context to analyse/criticise cruelty. This kind of broaches the topic of the difference between art for entertainment purposes and art for purposes of education/posterity. it’s an ethical juggling act.

  6. Maybe I’m just in a defending mood, but where does it say that filmmakers have to be ultra PC when it comes to showcasing people from other countries? Roth is getting flack for being xenophobic with his latest release of The Green Inferno, but is he actually trying to convince people that these mysterious Peruvian tribes are actually bad people? To me, all Roth is doing is creating a film that is an ode to one of his favorite types of horror sub-genres. It saddens me some when a huge horror lover like Roth gets criticism solely because he’s doing a throwback film. To me, I’ve never seen Roth’s films as being xenophobic. Sure, he shows people from various countries doing evil and unspeakable acts, but it seems to me like it’s more of a commentary on how there’s this evil in the entire world. We saw this in Knock Knock as two seemingly normal girls get off on trying to ruin the lives of men in the name of punishing the unfaithful, without any regard for the part they play in the events.

    The whole idea of whether or not these locals are being taken advantage of due to their lack of awareness for the poor stereotypes they’re reinforcing is a tough one too. Sure, we could get on our high horses and cry out that these people are being treated unfairly, but how would they feel if they understood the truth? We don’t know, but the critics are still acting as if these locals are the victims. With my limited experience with these sort of cannibal tribes films (Mostly Cannibal Holocaust and The Green Inferno) the cannibals never come off looking like the real monsters of the film. Without spoiling, the “Uncivilized” tend to have reasons for attacking the main stars in the movies while the “Civilized” have reasons built around greed as their main reason for doing their heinous act.

    Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar and sometimes a movie is simply a movie. There’s some critics that I feel look for any sort of issues to outrage over even when none really exists.

    I didn’t find The Green Inferno tried to be anything more than what it appeared to be. If you’re looking for some really strong social commentary, this is not the movie to be looked at.

    • I don’t necessarily disagree with most of what you’re saying, but I do think THE GREEN INFERNO has some pretty strong social commentary. It’s just not commentary on the cannibal tribe, but rather western culture. Among the many social themes touched on in the film, my favorite is how “those who consume become consumed.”

      • Oh, I get that and I agree, but to me it’s simply a movie that points to the civilized world as being the true monsters rather than the uncivilized. I don’t feel as if it goes any deeper than just that. So the whole deeper questions over whether this film was xenophobic, if the local tribes are being taken advantage of, should filmmakers even cover such topics, ect are too heavy handed for a film that is just an ode to a particular horror sub-genre.

        The Green Inferno isn’t say…a Werner Herzog film where it can be seen as more complicated the further you look. It’s a little horror film that Roth made because he loved similar movies back when he was a little kid wearing footie pajamas and trying to sneak an extra ice cream cone without his parents noticing.

        • I don’t buy it, Sal. This cigar is not just a cigar. There is SOMETHING else going in here. Sure, we say “and the moral of the story is that evil can come from anywhere” but, come on. Are you really ever scared of any Americans in this film? The cannibals are CLEARLY the most terrifying element of this film. They are, as Jay rightly said the “monsters” in this movie. Beastly freaks. Even the people from the developed world–our supposed good guys–who turn out to be bad are foreigners.

          A filmmakers doesn’t have a duty to be “ultra PC” but if we are digging deep into these films and we’re reporting back on what we find, I think it makes sense to didcusss all of the elements we find. And that includes elements that may have been passable back in the ’70s that we now identify with hate like sexism, racism and homophobia

          I don’t claim to know exactly what this film is saying after one viewing, but it seems to have a point to make beyond homage.

          And Eli Roth was watching Cannibal Holocaust in footy pajamas with an ice cream cone … well, that explains a lot.

          • Well, it is a cannibal movie. So I am willing to admit that the cannibals are the scariest part of the film. Although, you could make a case for the scariest element of the movie is hooking up with someone like hooking up and putting your trust in the hands of someone like Alejandro. As you said on the show, it’s not as if cannibalism happens much anymore. Yet, people like Alejandro does exist in various forms, most notable the sex trade industry.

            To get back on topic, yes all of the horror happens with the non-Americans and only in Peru. However, that happens in basically any horror movie where the main stars go on a trip. While some of these movies do take place outside of the US, such as Roth’s Hostel, there’s still plenty that do take place in the US, Deliverance, for example.

            I’m just having a difficult time condemning Roth (And other cannibal filmmakers) when he’s just telling a horror tale build around a person being in an unknown place, whether it’s elsewhere in America or in another country. I would hope that the general public wouldn’t be taking their education on foreign people, attitudes, customs, ect from a little horror movie.

            What sticks with me most is that once The Green Inferno was over, I didn’t feel as if the cannibals were the true evil people in the movie. In their own way, they were just as much of victims as Izzo’s character.

    • the thing is that it’s still possible to pay homage through visual style and story telling devices, while still subverting racist conventions of yore. There’s simply stuff from the past you can no longer copy/paste without acknowledging past mistakes and historical context because time’s have changed. Just like you can’t put on a black face show and simply call it a tribute to historical performers (or you can, but expect consequences). There’d had to be some really good context. And I’m sure that it’s possible to subvert the outdated cannibal genre in some way, but Eli Roth was either too stupid, or too lazy to do it. And what it *is* today, is simply racist (and tired, and old.)
      I like Cannibal Holocaust. I like it for it’s historical context and for what it did at the time it was made (also for the gore, that’s a timeless quality). Would I like it if it had come out today? Hecky no. Context.

  7. To add to the list of cannibal videos, Masters of Horror had a second season episode, The Washingtonians (Directed by the same guy who directed The Changeling), dedicated to cannibals. In contrast to the difficult to watch main cannibal films, this is more of a lite affair with some wackiness thanks to the plot being about the urban legend stating that George Washington may have been a cannibal.

    Since it was only mentioned in passing by Jay, I remember liking Parents. It’s a bit like Fido where you have this Leave It to Beaver-like time period film when everything seems wholesome on the surface, only for a boy to suspect his parents of being cannibals. The dad is played by Randy Quaid, so that should give you an idea for the tone of the film.

  8. Another great show fellas.

    Cannibal Holocaust tortoise scene is uncalled for in many ways. The most logical being that the film was made in 1980 where practical effects could easily have had the same affect. Also, in a film where human being are being ripped apart, what other point did the tortoise scene serve besides a shock value. The scene offers no value at all to the movies plot and is as unnecessary as gratuitous sex scenes in film. It is because of scenes like this in horror films that give non horror fans reasons to hate on the genre. And rightfully so I feel.

    Recently watching the film Wendigo, which opens up with a scene where a deer is hit by a car and then shot out of it’s misery really made me despise the CH animal killing even more. It wasn’t a real deer. It was a highly effective prop.

    There is nothing artistic about killing an animal at all.
    Other than a trip/documentary to a slaughter house or a national geographic type flic.

    • My thoughts exactly, and so well put, Ryan. I think practical effects could have been used if they needed to portray animal deaths as part of the story. I already ranted about this movie on the found footage episode message board, so I will refrain from doing so again. As some one who shares a home with two rescued box turtles, the description of tortoise torture was hard to hear, and something I never want to see. I once met a giant 170 year old tortoise and he was such a majestic and gentle creature. Incidentally, one of my turtles is really aggressive and would try to eat a person if given the chance. We keep talking about building a miniature set and making him the star of a short monster movie.

          • Dino and Ally, you are cracking me up.

            Speaking of crazy pets, I had an out of control iguana growing up. Lizard Boy. His sister Princess was really tame and friendly. LB was not! Always whipping his tail and going for the bite. Yes, he drew blood…. more often than not. When LB had an eye infection we took him to the vet. At the vet they literally strap the reptile down on a pad. Well, he flipped out. He whipped his tail so hard it actually came off. Very disturbing for anyone to see especially a kid.
            His tail did grow back, off color and not full size. I have no idea why I am telling this story but turtles brought it out. lol
            Now I am married and my wife would never ever ever evereverereveerever :) let me have a “creature” of any sort.
            Thank god a dog doesn’t count as a “creature” in her world.

            Btw, my iguanas were vegetarians.

            RIP Lizard Boy and Princess

            good times

  9. I agree with Jay about the humor in the Green Inferno; it absolutely didn’t work and shouldn’t have been there. Juxtaposed with the horror surrounding our main characters it seemed way out of place but I guess Roth can’t resist potty humor. However, I disagree with him about the gore. I lean towards Josh regarding that aspect of the film. I think after that brutal first kill (a couple of people in my theater actually walked out during that part) the movie didn’t need much more gore. That was enough to establish the horror that the characters were facing and made the natives a legitimate threat. It shows the audience just exactly what they’ll do to their victims and raises the tension that sustains for the duration of the film. It’s not as though the other kills weren’t also brutal (remember the red-haired kid?) just not as much as that first one and like I said before, that was enough. Just like Josh, I don’t mind Roth practicing a little more restraint. As a matter of fact, considering his previous films I’m rather surprised he could. All in all, I wasn’t crazy about the movie but still enjoyed it and props to Roth for putting a hardcore cannibal movie in theaters. How often does that happen?

    • The humor ruined the film for me.
      From the moment they were brought to the village to the first characters death, I don’t think any movie made me feel that kind of terror. It was just fantastic. I am not sure what made him have so many different tones in such a film, but it did not work at all. After the first guys death it felt like you were watching a different director took over each character. It wasn’t until the main girl gets painted up and escapes that the film found itself again… only to have an Indiana Jones type moment with the ants and lost me again at that point.

      Sad to say, I am a horror junkie and the terror in that scene alone will have me buying it on blu ray. #Imasucker

      I also felt the practical effects were not as good as they could have been. Specifically the limbs being chopped off.

    • The “humour” sort of stuff is something that really confuses me about Roth’s work. Judging by interviews he seems to be a pretty smart guy yet he always seems to have these really juvenile, lowest common denominator, frat-boy-esque aspects to his films. Whether it’s the protagonist in “Hostel” calling people “faggots” or the apparent diarrhoea and masturbation jokes in this movie.

      I know it seems odd to complain about a lowering-of-the-tone in films from the torture-porn and Cannibal genres but when it’s tonally dissonant enough to be a distraction or makes you actively dislike a character you’re supposed to relate too then, for me at least, it becomes problematic.

    • Here’s my take on it… what was funny about the diarrhea and masturbation scenes? The first was disgusting, uncomfortable, and completely embarrassing. Did anyone laugh? Or find it humorous? Was anyone giggling (other than the Cannibals who were laughing at her)… seriously? Where’s the humor?

      Regarding a man masturbating as he watches the other people in his cage handle a mutilated corpse- that’s funny?

      The thing about humor is that it’s supposed to be funny- these scenes within the context of the film are not funny. They’re disturbing. They’re sick. They’re emotionally jarring.

      Really, there only seemed to be one scene geared toward comedy- those other scenes are pretty disturbing to me.

      • Humor is subjective. These things were so ridiculous that I thought they were meant to be funny and I’ m not alone in that. That said, the humor didn’t work.

      • And considering the way he staged some of the early scenes with Sky Ferreira, I’m pretty sure Roth himself intended for all those things to be funny; they weren’t.

  10. U know with jay I always have a problem with him about him reviewing movies , if the does not go the way he thinks a movies should be , he just closes of his review off .

  11. I just learned that Gunnar Hansen died yesterday. Long live Leatherface. “The Texas Chain Saw Massacre” (1974) is the greatest horror film of all time. He will be missed, especially by me.
    Jay of the Dead

      • Very sad year for horror fans. This Friday the 13th I will have to devote my night to some Craven and Hansen in particular, and for the hell of it Maniac Cop.

        On a brighter note, the Garbage Pail Kids blu ray is available for pre-order…. .. chirp chirp

  12. I am terrified of cannibalism. Honestly and truly terrified of cannibalism- not just being eaten but being tricked into eating human flesh. It grosses me out and makes me feel queasy and out of it. And, with that fear, comes a strange fascination- because I am very fascinated by films about cannibals. Ever since I saw Texas Chainsaw Massacre 2 and I realized the secret recipe in the chilli was people. It made me gack since I’d been eating Barbecue when I watched it and it took me years to ever eat ribs again.

    But the thing I like about cannibal films is that it’s a different kind of horror- it goes for that disgust, that appalled feeling we get, that “dirty” and “empty” feeling we cope with after we see the movie. And I love it because it’s not safe- it’s something that haunts you and makes you think about being consumed. It forces us to recognize a little dark spot in ourselves, sometimes.

    I’ve had a few discussions regarding the harm of animals in the film- something I find reprehensible, but kind of excusable as this was a different time. Friday the 13th featured a scene where they killed a snake on camera- just to add to the exhaustive list of examples that were given, and there are still even more examples. These were different times and there were different rules and different technologies. Most of us would also be appalled at going through the physical lengths a Lon Chaney Sr. went through to apply his personal make-up for certain films. I think what’s done is done at this point- and it’s kind of a good thing that it was done because it resulted in a backlash that saw certain criteria put in place. And, on a side note, these are really the least interesting moments in the film- mondo shockage, but not very interesting. Other than the scene with the turtle, none of these moments really propel the plot forward in any significant way.

    You have convinced me to see Bone Tomahawk- and I never heard of this movie before the podcast. Which is surprising because I am a big fan of westerns as well- counting Four of the Apocalypse as one of the best horror-westerns I’ve seen. (Another film with some cannibalism. HAH!) So thank you for the recommendation.

    Regarding Green Inferno: I loved this movie. I was absolutely satisfied with the gore and the story- and I actually really enjoyed much of the build up, since it was showing us just how ill-prepared these characters were for the situation they were getting involved in. I absolutely loved that this was NOT a hand-held spooky-ghost film! And while I could go on about it, I’d like to discuss something Josh brought up- that’s right, I’m calling out Josh for once instead of Jay.

    There has been a lot of criticism surrounding Green Inferno for perpetuating a racist stereotype. However, I’m finding a lot of that criticism to wind up being racist in and of itself- firstly, Josh discussed how this tribe didn’t have the context to understand what they were participating in on a global level and I’d like to counter that they really didn’t care about perceptions on a global level. They were much more concerned with the tin roofs being provided in their negotiations with Eli Roth’s production team. They were much less concerned with global perceptions and much more concerned with practical matters- and the perception that these people are too ignorant to understand is, itself, a racist preconception. It assumes that someone is “less than” when they might not be. But, even beyond that, Josh discussed his experiences in watching multiple documentaries in the lead up to this episode where people had experiences with Cannibal Tribes- That these instances were likely exaggerated in the past to further certain colonization goals is obvious, but to then turn around and say that the casting in and of itself is racist seems odd; one hour earlier you were discussing an heir being devoured by river cannibals and another man going on tribal raiding parties. Is the film really engaging in a “racist” stereotype or is it just preying on terrifying stories for background? I know you didn’t want to come off as overly PC in this segment and it would have been absolutely unfair to NOT bring up these concerns, but I wanted to stand up for Jay this time and say that he’s right- the “monster” wasn’t totally mis-characterized.

    Now, just as a note: My favorite of these films is Cannibal Ferox- though, when I saw the film it was called “Make Them Die Slowly!” and it was one of those mysterious “big box” rentals from the video store that always felt so foreboding when I was growing up. I think it’s probably the most satisfying of the series and has a much less empty feeling toward the ending, rather than the well known Cannibal Holocaust. It may be that I have a sick sense of humor (I do tend to laugh hysterically at most horror movies) but I find this movie to be much more light-hearted. It really cuts straight to the heart of the story and opens the mind to other experiences.

  13. Hello!
    Long time listener, first time commenter, love the podcast, etc.!
    Just felt I had to comment since you discussed the animal killings in Cannibal Holocaust. Let it be no secret that I actually like this movie (even though it’s the most harrowing I ever watched… I like being harrowed) and I was lucky enough to meet the director, Ruggero Deodato at the Danish horror movie festival Blodig Weekend last year. He’s so not what you expect, just a 100% cheery Italian Grandpa who frankly seemed overwhelmed, but delighted that people still talk about his movie. Really gentle and nice!
    At the festival there was a screening of Cannibal Holocaust, and a Q&A with him afterwards, where I actually got to ask him personally about the animal cruelty: Were it real and faked?

    Now keep in mind that this guy speaks broken English, so it was a mixture of that + Italian hastily translated to Danish. Anyways, here’s what he told us:
    Yes, all the animals being killed were real. HOWEVER; they were all eaten by the actors and crew members as they were in the jungle for real and needed food.
    Also, Deodato told about how he have grown up on a farm where animal slaughter where normal, and even “pets” were eaten, so he’s grown up seeing it as a necessity of life, and he seemed a bit surprised that there had been so much focus on those scenes in the movie. On the other hand, he did say that if he was making the movie today, knowing what he knows now (ambiguous if it’s a new moral standpoint or if he simply can’t be bothered with the hassle) he wouldn’t have had the animals killed.

    So there’s that. You all might still feel the same way, but now you know the whole story!
    And here’s some other anecdotes for the road: Ruggero talked very respectfully about the tribal actors, and said that they were excellent when they got in character, although there had been some trouble instructing them because of the language barriere – so he had to mimic out the actions he wanted them to do! (as he told this story, he ran across the stage himself brandishing an invisible spear as if he was chasing the “documentary makers”!) It was quite comical :)
    Also he has a huuuuge beef with George A. Romero. Several times he interrupted himself just to sneer: “ROMERO! VAFFANCULO!” Apparently when Deodato was up and coming he had introduced himself to Romero at a filmfestival, and Romero had completely ignored him, snubbing him. And the grudge is still there to this day, haha!
    So basically the entire showing was priceless, but I just wanted to share these tidbits with you.

    Keep up the good work, and lotsa highfives,

    • This is cool stuff! Thanks for sharing. I always wondered if they used the tortoise as food, it looked liked they would. Obviously the guide knew how to prepare it. I like this movie too and besides watching the animals get killed, the violence against women in this movie was the most disturbing for me.

  14. I don’t *always agree with Jay (read *ever), but he really hit it on the head with Bone Tomahawk. I think this is the best film I’ve seen all year.
    It’s it a horror movie? I don’t know. Is it a great movie? Yes!
    I lean towards saying it is a horror film just because of the steady unease that builds during the whole time traveling to their destination, especially when *mild spoiler alert* they have to split up, and the most vulnerable man (physically and emotionally) is left behind in hostile territory.
    I guess it depends where you lie on defining horror films.
    Either way, best film this year by far. I wanted to watch this again as soon as I’d finished it the first time. So a big thanks to the HMP team who turned me on to this. I hope it gets the respect and credit it deserves.

    • Jay will love this comment. And I agree, it’s a great film.

      I get the points you and Jay make about it being horror, but if I compare it to any other dark western you’ll find many of the same elements and sometimes MORE of them. I’d say it has a horror posture when it deals with the cannibals.

      Ultimately, I don’t actually care about a strict definition, it just tends to become part of the conversation on this podcast.

      • Totally agree with you, Josh. Definitions don’t really matter. We got a great western out of it whether it’s horror or not. So can we now get Kurt Russell in every western film from now on? How about the often discussed never realised remake of the tv adaptation of Stephen King’s Dark Tower series? I can see him as Roland of Gilead. Or even his tutor Cort if a younger actor is required for Roland.
        Anyone else have any thoughts on that? Or heard anything further about this long awaited series?

          • I like it, Ryan! Viggo would definitely make a great Roland, but it’s hard not to picture him as Aragorn. And I question whether he’s quite gritty enough(?).
            I enjoyed Mads Mikkelsen in Salvation (any everything else he’s been in). I think he could pull off the anti-hero role quite easily.

  15. This is really not my horror sub-genre, but I thoroughly enjoyed this episode and the thoughtful and intelligent discussion of the subject. I think it says a lot about the quality of your podcast, that it’s consistently entertaining and thought provoking no matter what is covered (with the exception of Jan-Gel).

    • I don’t know, I found Jay and Shock’s race to the be the first person to order Jan-Gel from Amazon to be thoroughly entertaining. That alone almost made me fork over a few bucks to buy my own copy too. Better sense seemed to win over though.

  16. My question is…What elements does it take for a realistic western to be considered a “horror movie”? I told my son the other day that I was so happy I wasn’t born back then and he said yeah that would be terrible…Every single day you would be facing some kind of horror…weather…starvation…disease…and less we forget the human element of lawlessness…killers…pissed off native americans…and in Bone Tomahawk…troglodytes…When I sit back and think about were we are now and what unfathomable horrors these early settlers had to endure…Its really amazing me that we are even here at all…

  17. Has anyone tried out the new AMC based horror streaming service, SHUDDER? It only launched over the summer. I’ve been keeping a little eye on it ever since I added the channel on my Roku.

    From where I’m standing, the best part about SHUDDER is SHUDDER TV. It’s a 24/7 stream featuring movies you can find on it’s service uncut. Best of all SHUDDER TV is completely. I didn’t even need to sign up for an account to watch SHUDDER TV on my Roku. Pretty nice if you just want to have some horror going in the background.

    For the hell of it, I decided to sign-up for the free two week trial. It’s 5 bucks a month or fifty if you want to save ten dollars and buy it for an entire year. As of right now, there’s 305 horror films on it’s service. There’s actually a pretty good variety too:

    – Cannibal movies – Cannibal Holocaust, Cannibal Ferox

    – 80’s Slashers – Sleepaway Camp, Pieces, Maniac, Bloody Birthday, Intruder

    – Dario Argento – Opera, Deep Red

    – Other Italian – A Bay of Blood, Demons, Demons 2, Black Sunday

    – More recent foreign – Cold Prey (Dubbed), Let the Right One In (Not dubbed), Them

    – Recent popular small films – Ti West’s House of the Devil and The Innkeepers, Lovely Molly, Behind the Mask

    – Silent era films – Nosferatu, White Zombie, The Golem, Cabinet of Dr. Caligari

    – Documentaries – Cropsey, Room 237, Nightmare in Red White and Blue, Faces of Death

    – Asian horror – Pulse, Shutter, A Tale of Two Sisters (Not dubbed), The Audition

    – Horror Comedy – Murder Party, Burke & Hare, Tucker and Dale vs Evil

    – Zombies – Day of the Dead, City of the Living Dead, The Dead Hate the Living, Dead Sno (Not dubbed), Night of the Living Dead, Beyond, Re-Animator

    With the service still being new, I imagine they’ll be adding more.

    If nothing else, if you have some sort of streaming device, add the SHUDDER channel to access that 24/7 free channel. You can also watch the stream on the SHUDDER website.

    • Thanks for the heads up on Shudder. Those are some interesting movies you listed. It’ll be really interesting if they regular rotate their offerings, too.

      • Since they’re still so new, they’re not the most organized in terms of easily being able to find lists of new movie additions each month like you can with Netflix.

        From doing a little bit of searching, I found a review of the service that some guy wrote up during the initial Beta phase. He claimed SHUDDER only had 100 movies. If that’s accurate, that means they’ve added over 200 movies in five months. Likewise, looking around at various reviews from the start of SHUDDER to recent, I’m not seeing anyone mention any films that are no longer on the service. So it looks like they haven’t removed anything yet.

        Looking at some of their social media, they add some new films here and there. Maybe a few a week. Looks like in the last 24 hours, they added Satan’s Cheerleaders and 1988’s The Uninvited. Other movies like Pieces was just added at the end of October.

        As of right now, the most recent movie added according to their Sort By: Just Released option is Satan’s Cheerleaders (The Uninvited isn’t even added to the list year, so there’s at least one more movie to be added to the list ASAP). In a week or so, I’ll look back and see if and how many more films are in front of Satan’s Cheerleaders.

        By comparison, the other 2015 horror streaming service, Screambox, is a buck cheaper, but the selection isn’t nearly as interesting. The only thing Screambox seems to really have going for themselves is that they have every episode of Masters of Horror.

        • True! I like to watch silent movies while listening to music. Sometimes I try to pair something appropriate and sometimes I like something completely different. It really changes your view of the film. It’s kind of like watching the Wizard of Oz with the Dark Side of the Moon.

    • You just did!

      Sorry about that, Rob. There is so much to track in these themed episodes, we miss a lot of stuff, but that’s what the comments are here for.

      To be honest, I didn’t even notice the score myself, but I’ve only seen the film once and had so many other issues on my mind. What do you think os so great about the score? We have some upcoming horror score and soundtrack episodes coming. We will put a call out to listeners to talk about their favorites as well. Make sure you respond to that.

      • I loved the main theme to Cannibal Holocaust. It was the first thing that stood out to me and I believe I made note of it in my 31 Days of Halloween review. For me, what I loved about it is that it was such a pleasant little tune, as if it’s designed to give you a false impression over what the movie is going to be like. It ends up being a little…uncomfortable (?) when you hear it later in the movie and it doesn’t match what you’re feeling.

        It reminds me of A Clockwork Orange and “Singing in the Rain”.

          • Yes and it’s best to eat spaghetti while watching the movie.

            Or I suppose you could just watch the opening credits to hear the main theme, but where’s the fun in that?

          • The score is AMAZING, Josh!

            It’s just the most beautifully serene and bucolic sounding 70’s syrup. It comes in strong at about 0.41 in the trailer: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=USSnC-1Oq2g

            It’s totally, ridiculously at odds with the tonal content of the film and I always found that juxtaposition of the sweetly melodic with the deplorably gruesome to have a truly sickening and disorienting effect. I actually remember being thoroughly disturbed before I ever saw the film and had only seen the trailer and heard that music. Just knowing roughly what the film was about, seeing the mildly gruesome stuff in the trailer and hearing that theme song was haunting to my young mind. It creates a cognitive dissonance that’s truly unsettling.

  18. Guys, thanks for the great discussion of Green Inferno. I generally hate Eli Roth films for the reasons you mentioned (an arrogance and disregard for the smarter nuances of his usually fascinating ideas). He’s problematic but keeps stumbling upon good ideas. I consider him the younger brother of QT, who urges him to go into more exploitative waters “Come on it’ll be fun!” and has benefited by his flagrant appropriation of old genres (cannibal films, torture horror, etc.) without really updating or thinking them through.

    Cheers, R

  19. Great job on this episode. I think you did a fantastic job of navigating the artistic and cultural implications of the genre, and provided excellents nuggets of related contextual material. *HighFive*

  20. My girlfriend and I just finished Bone Tomahawk, and I must say… I enjoyed the HELL out of this movie. I’m not so proud to say that we tried to watch it the night before and didn’t finish on account of the half a fifth of Jack Daniels I drank and the fairly large volume of vodka she’d had. What can I say, though? We were celebrating! Celebrating what? Well… whenever you watch a horror film where the killer has no motive, that’s quite frightening. We had no motive, people! SCARY! Ha ha.

    Anyhow, Bone Tomahawk’s violent content was incredibly effective due to its seemingly typical western film backdrop. Reminds me of how potent the horror-ish elements were in Black Swan where you’ve got these frightening moments situated in this tense ballet drama. The idea of putting horror where it doesn’t necessarily belong is very attractive to me. I’d watch a rom-com that featured a casual decapitation at some point in the film. Wouldn’t you?

    M’lady and I will probably watch The Green Inferno tomorrow night, but having just watched Bone Tomahawk, We Are What We Are, and something else cannibalistic we’d just watched this past week, I’m thinking I’d better switch it up from the cannibal theme to keep things interesting.

    Great show, fellas, as always. I legit love you guys and this podcast!

  21. I forgot to mention that I found your discussion about the cannibal sub-genre quite good. The “fear of the Other” subtext is one I find more than worth examining, and I’m sad to hear that this underlying concept wasn’t explored in Roth’s film. Of course, I don’t think he was going for that type of examination, was he? And look… I’m not the most PC fella and would definitely never be accused of being the SJW-type (the people at which The Green Inferno was aimed), but with a little forethought, filmmakers can absolutely avoid the xenophobic slant these types of films tend to have, and I think that would be in their best interest in 2015 and beyond.

    Regarding the Hostel films and accusations of xenophobia… I’m not so sure on this one. I think the films (the first two anyway) are meant to exploit the fear of strangers in a strange land falling victim to extreme circumstances. If you’ve been to a place where you don’t know the customs, don’t speak the language, and don’t know your way around, the idea of things going wrong is that much more terrifying.

    A point, though, that deserves even more consideration than what I just wrote is that the evil behind it all happens to be rich Americans paying to murder. I’m sure not ALL of these rich kill-happy types are strictly American, so we don’t have to launch into a tirade detailing the evils of Western capitalists, but the fact that a small portion of the locals are merely facilitating a bigger (American?) evil… I just don’t see xenophobia there. That Slovakia happens to be the setting… some location had to be the prop-piece, right? Someplace distant, right? Isn’t that how western society is, though? Sweatshops where workers are enslaved is bad. We’d never have those in 21st century America. But put those sweatshops an ocean away, and its easier to swallow so long as they keep pumping out those iPhones. I’m just saying that Slovakia as a setting is less xenophobic to me than it is deliberately scapegoat-ish… a way to keep the evil of paying for murder at arm’s length.

    Bed time. Love the show!

  22. Jay!!!! Your built this one up too much man. I saw it on PRIME free the other day and I was like “Oh wow Honey, Jay of the Dead was gushing over this!!!” “Best movie of the year he is saying!!!”

    Needless to say she fell asleep 35 minutes into it, and I was thinking to myself, just wait, it’s going to get good!!! Then it ended! LOL

    In all honesty it wasn’t terrible but it didn’t say or do anything. What was the point? I kinda liked the single gun-slinger guy but he gets whacked half way into the journey. “Wyatt Earp” is great but he gets a sucker punch death which was lame.

    5/10 Stars Stream if you have 5 hours to kill AVOID if you have Grass growing as that was almost as exciting. 😉

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