Horror Movie Podcast Ep. 080: Three Dudes Talk About Horror and the Upcoming Horror Movies of 2016

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This is HORROR MOVIE PODCAST, where we’re Dead Serious About Horror Movies… Welcome to Episode 080. Longtime listeners may find this particular episode to be a little unusual for HMP because we spend much of the time simply talking about horror, rather than reviewing movies. Naturally, we discuss a few horror flicks, but you can think of this show as a few friends just hanging out, talking about the genre they love as the new year gets rolling. To this end, we chat about the Upcoming Horror Films of 2016, which leads to a couple of predictions and some discussion of our most anticipated picks. Join us!

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I. Introduction
— Wolfman Josh recognizes Sean S. Cunningham in NYC
— The new Friday the 13th video game
— Future Coverage on HMP for 2016
— Dr. Shock is seeking writers for DVD Infatuation for 2017
— Ep. 079 poll question results
— Jay of the Dead’s grief for picking “No Escape” for his No. 1 horror movie of 2015
— Voicemail from Adam in Chicago

[ 0:50:52 ] II. Discussion Topic: Is Walmart Censoring Horror?

— Wolfman Josh is catching up on some 2015 picks
The Forest
The Boy
Pride and Prejudice and Zombies
Shut In
The Witch
Valencia (now titled “10 Cloverfield Lane”)
Amityville: The Awakening
Friday the 13th
Lights Out
The Conjuring 2: The Enfield Poltergeist
The Shallows
The Purge 3
Patient Zero
Underworld 5
Ouija 2
Doug Jones’s Nosferatu
A Man in the Dark
The Bye Bye Man
The Blob
The Devil’s Candy
The Green Room

IV. Wrap-Up / Plugs / Ending
— Be sure to check out our friend JP’s (Justin Patrick) mega-epic, four-plus hour Top 10 Horror of 2015 show here: Episode 68: Top 10 of 2015 (Ft. Exploding Heads Horror Podcast) – 22 Shots of Moodz and Horror. (Leave a comment and tell them Jay of the Dead sent ya!)

JOIN US NEXT TIME ON HMP: Episode 081: Jay of the Dead’s Solution for Identifying Horror Films (as well as several other reviews of newer horror movies)

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Dr. Shock’s links:
Dave’s daily movie review website: DVD Infatuation.com
Follow Dave on Twitter: @DVDinfatuation
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Dr. Shock also appears on this horror podcast: Land of the Creeps

Dr. Walking Dead’s links:
Pre-order Kyle’s new book! How Zombies Conquered Popular Culture: The Multifarious Walking Dead in the 21st Century
Order Kyle’s previous books American Zombie Gothic and Triumph of The Walking Dead
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331 thoughts on “Horror Movie Podcast Ep. 080: Three Dudes Talk About Horror and the Upcoming Horror Movies of 2016

  1. Man, I love these episodes where you guys are just free-styling.

    Speaking of which what the heck is going on at 1:21:30? Is that Dr Shock beat-boxing?

  2. This podcast is great because it fills me in on all of the movies and shows I haven’t seen and don’t plan on seeing. Yea, I haven’t seen any of the movies nominated for best picture this year. I’m with Karl that the oscars and golden globes are basically stupid (not as lame as the Grammys). The academy doesn’t care about the movies I like and I don’t care about the movies they like. At least with this podcast I can be “in” on the conversations and with HMP I can actually have conversations about movies I’ve seen.

  3. As a new listener who discovered the podcast in late 2015, I loved this episode as an examination of where the hosts heads are as 2016 unfurls. To my thinking, perhaps more than other genres, Horror films are about psychology-what scares us, what annoys or concerns us, and where we find comfort. Discussions like the one that dominate the first half of the episode help me frame where y’all are at in your life as you discuss movies going forward, and that context provides the devilish detail that makes this podcast a satisfying ride, and why I’m excited every time a new episode crops up. Thanks, guys! I’m excited to embark on the new year as a full time listener.

  4. 10 Cloverfield Lane had such a great trailer. Like you, Jay, I love when filmmakers don’t give away too much in their trailers, which is something JJ Abrams and Bad Robot have done really well in the past. Whether or not this takes place in a Cloverfield universe or not, I’m excited to watch this movie.

  5. Jay, thanks for reading out my comment and taking it seriously. I have no doubt that you’re currently cooking up some devilish counter arguments to my points but I just wanted to elaborate on what I feel to be the confusing factor with regard to your definition of horror as a genre;

    Okay, so we all know that you love to look at situations in films and put yourself in those situations, almost vicariously testing your own ability to cope and figuring out how you might personally deal with difficult scenarios. This predilection (which is totally cool) is no doubt a huge part of why a film like No Escape made such an impression on you. At some point in this episode I think you said that the film had such an effect because “in real life” it would be such a terrifying experience. Now this is where we have to delineate between horror as a “genre” and horror as a “human reaction”. Because basing the horror genre classification on the dictum of “it would be a really scary thing to experience in real life” simply doesn’t work. If that were the case then everything from Hamburger Hill to Titanic to The Martian would be a horror film. So why aren’t they? Well to me personally “horror” as a genre isn’t about a cataloguing of horrific aspects of the human experience; as I said in my comment on the previous episode, it’s instead about the exaggeration and deformity of the human experience.

    I know I always use this argument but lets take it back to the literature that inspired the film genre (which isn’t in anyway to suggest that “horror” as a cinematic genre isn’t allowed to have evolved and become it’s own beast) because if we want to hinge out conversations on genre around a suitable axis (which is to say if you want to have a stance about the purity of the genre you must acknowledge the genre’s roots) there’s not really a better one we have. Is “Crime and Punishment” a horror novel? It details a grisly double murder and the profoundly horrific effects said murder has on the haunted psyche of the perpetrator. It would be a viscerally horrific situation for anyone to experience in real life. But is it horror? No. What about Frankenstein? In some ways antithetical to Dostoevsky’s novel as the central protagonist creates life rather than takes it. But that definitely is a horror novel. Why? In my opinion it’s because “horror” as a genre must show us something outside the accepted context of human experience. As previously stated it must be a deformity or exaggeration of our accepted reality (though it must be noted that such exaggeration and deformity doesn’t limit the genre to supernatural shenanagins, such mutations could very well be tonal).

    So that’s why when you make a comment like “No Escape is 500 times more horrific to me than Gremlins” (which is obviously subjective but probably a pretty fair assessment for most people) it doesn’t actually really tell us anything about No Escape’s legitimacy as a horror film or it’;s relationship to the genre. It sounds a little odd (stick with me here) but No Escape shows us a scenario that we as a people might have developed an innate psychological preparedness towards (given our modern familiarity with concepts such as terrorism/revolution/war/mob mentality etc.) This isn’t to say that a lot of us wouldn’t wither into a ball and die in such a situation, but it is something that exists in our accepted context of reality. We understand that mobs of revolutionaries can get carried away, we grasp that terrorism can be fuelled by religious fundamentalism or inequality, if we’re in a bank and some guys come in with ski-masks and guns, sure that ain’t Mountain Dew trickling down into our shoes (except maybe in Jay’s case), but we have an inherent understanding of how and why such a situation might come about, how it might play out, the motives involved and that there’s precedent in the human sphere of experience for such stuff.

    It’s my opinion that “horror” as a genre must depict something outside of our accepted sphere of human experience, or at the very least something so difficult to understand/comprehend that it has a similar aura of “the unknown”. As a society we have an identifiable frame of reference for a situation involving a serial killer, to the extent that our subconscious is likely programmed with at least some aspect of preparedness for (or maybe just comprehension of) a scenario involving such a threat. We do not however have an identifiable frame of reference for an unnaturally indefatigable serial killer who can catch up with your sprinting attempts at escape with a casual and leisurely paced stroll. We have a frame of reference for random shark attacks but not so much for attacks by a shark that’s abnormally large, intelligent and predatory. We know that sometimes a group of horrid rednecks might beat someone to death for being a homosexual or a racial minority or maybe just for the hell of it, but we have a harder time coping with the idea of a whole family of cannibalistic hillbillies headed up by a distinctly moribund Grandfather. So to me, horror is not so much about depicting realistically terrifying situations defined by the previous experiences of our species but instead about exploring the dark recesses of the human imagination; the as yet unrealised potential of the unknown. Sure if you witness a real life murder it will very likely have a profoundly horrifying impact on your life but there’s a chance you will sleep soundly again someday when you know that the murderer is safely locked away, before you saw the crime you were after all already fully aware that human beings have the capacity for murder; your perception of the world has not in truth been profoundly altered, rather just brought into disturbing focus. So a straight up movie just depicting a realistic murder is a Crime film. But if you witness something for which you have no reality-based frame of reference then that glimpse into the unknown might haunt you for eternity. Such a film would be pure horror.

    In summation: I believe the horror genre exists to show us those unconscionable, incomprehensible things, stuff that if somehow witnessed in real life might not only be horrifying but would also profoundly alter our perception of the world.

    Obviously this is all just my (likely unintelligent) personal approach to the genre. But this podcast has made me think in great detail about such issues and I feel like the above spiel amounts to the best delineation my brain can come up with. I’m sure there are numerous examples that might disprove this approach but discussing those might be a fun exercise in itself. Either way I’m not trying to tell anyone what they can and can’t define as horror. Of course such a definition is to an extent objective. This is all just my personal way of looking at it.

    • Also I meant to add that I believe these aspects that I feel define the horror genre are also likely a reason that so many of us find catharsis in these films. No matter how bad the stuff we face in real life is, or how bleakly we might perceive the world at large and all it’s horrors, there’s always somethign worse waiting around the corner in a good horror film to make us feel comparatively better about our actual real life situations.

          • Awesome job, David. I find genre discussion so fascinating; I’m a huge dork that way I guess.

            Curious, though. With this rationale, does that mean you don’t consider something along the lines of “Silence of the Lambs” a horror film?

            I do for sure, but I really have nothing to back that up other than both Hannibal Lecter and Buffallo Bill seem so much larger than life; I feel they are very similar to the Universal Monsters model. With that being said I do not consider either Manhunter or Red Dragon a horror film and I could go either way with Hannibal.

    • DAVID! BAM! WOW! Nice job, I love it! This captures so much. I agree with you about everything above. That puts a lot in words that I also kind of have rolling in my brain and can’t really articulate.

      For me, another thing that factors in to the differences in what you’re talking about is TONE and INTENTION. What are the filmmakers intending to make us feel, and what do they do to accomplish that. I wish I had your clever turn of phrase to dive in to my ideas further, but I know when I’m watching a serial killer horror film and when I’m watching a crime drama. I can just feel the difference by the way certain things are working: the sound design, the music, the way the film is cut, the lighting, how characters behave, and so much more.

      And to Jay on this issue- I’m grateful you are stirring this pot so much. It’s provocative even if also occasionally frustrating. I’m not a long time listener, but I have listened to most all the episodes of HMP and I will call you out on being a consistent offender of rating things based on your own sensibilities, and yes we all do this, but I know the listeners hold you to a higher standard and have expectations of you as the host of a show to be the voice of reason, which is probably part of why you get such high amounts of negative feedback when you do something as audacious as rating No Escape no. 1. I think you knew exactly what you were doing. You kicked the hornets nest :)

      • Thanks Kagan! I definitely agree that “tone” and “intention” are also extremely important points when it comes to defining the genre.

        I don’t want it to appear that my above post is restricting the genre solely to supernatural/monster movies because as you quite rightly pointed out; there are some serial killer movies that feel like they belong to the horror genre and some that don’t. I feel like such a film doesn’t necessarily need supernatural elements added to create the exaggeration of reality that I refer to in my previous post and can instead be moved into the realm of horror through tonal mechanisms. I’m pretty sure Jay has actually mentioned the importance of tone to the genre in past discussions so he might actually agree with this point, I’m not sure. But to me a standard Serial Killer movie becomes horror when the reality of the film is deformed by an exaggerated tone or atmosphere. This might be achieved by a demented soundtrack, eerie sets and locations, disorienting camera angles, disproportionate periods of suspense and tension etc.

    • Oh, dear, sweet David. If you only knew what you have done. I suppose you will know soon enough. The next episode is basically a reaction to your comment. Hopefully I won’t hAve to play you the way I did Jason Blum.

      This is also great, here. You should record an audio version of this and send it to me so that we can play it on this show, being the one who started this whole kerfuffel.

    • David,
      Bravo! Well done. I’m so glad you posted this excellent follow-up comment. Great timing! For the next episode, I have been planning an EPIC Horror Film Theory lecture that I believe will finally, at long last, provide a solution to all our years of bickering about defining what’s Horror and what’s not, and I’m thinking it’s going to be genuinely historic and noteworthy! I think we’re going to break new ground here on HMP Ep. 081, seriously!

      Alas, I’m sure Wolfman, Dave and Kyle will just end up making fun of me the whole time, as you listeners laugh in agreement with them…

      But interestingly, David, your two comments very insightfully touch on some of the points I’ll be addressing. Thank you!

      And for everyone else out there, if you’re not too enthused about hearing yet another Horror podcast episode where the hosts bicker about definitions of Horror, I have two bold things to say and one assurance for you:

      1. Bold: You will be hearing Horror podcasting history in the making!

      2. Bold: This conversation will be somewhat different from all previous debates.

      3. Assurance: We’re also going to bring you some actual reviews of recent horror flicks!

      I believe the Horror community has needed a solution to this never-ending debate, and I believe that Horror film critic Jay of the Dead (that’s me!) is going to deliver that solution to you in Ep. 081. Join us!

      Much love, y’all.

      • I’m not sure I can stomach another one of these debates, but in your corner concerning the latest podcast- I would have NO interest in Amityville, save for three words… I also think Jennifer Jason Leigh is an exceptional actor, and will be willing to see it for her performance alone.

        • Yeah, I agree with your first statement, Shonny. Jay thinks I’m out to make fun of him, but that’s not really the case. I just don’t care about this topic. HOWEVER, I do like how Jay puts all of this work into his pet theories and I’m exited that he thinks it’s such a big deal. Maybe he’ll prove us all wrong. That notion, at least, makes the idea stomach-able for me.

          • Out of curiosity, Josh. Why is it that you don’t care about this topic? Because you feel it’s ultimately irrelevant to the enjoyment of cinema in general? Because you feel that trying to change Jay’s mind of anything truly is the Sisyphean task that it appears to be? Because it just seems like running in circles in a subjective arena where no definitive answer will ever materialise?

      • Awesome, Jay! Just recently Dino, Juan and myself were discussing how it feels like another, hopefully more definitive, discussion of the genre might be necessary. Since you guys covered it way back in episode 001 if feels as though there have been a great many debates and discussions theorising about the purity of the genre and the things that do and don’t make a true horror film and I feel like this show and the level of discussion and interaction between the hosts (and within the community) has come on leaps and bounds and could really tear into the meat of such a fascinating and divisive topic and get right down to the bone.

        • Well, how about this:

          To make it more palatable, can the listeners here on the message boards (and we will put a call out on Twitter as well) leave us the shortest summery possible of how you personally define horror or why you do or do not think it is important to define? If we get enough good/diverse responses, I will read them on the show. I think that might breathe a little life into the episode.

          OR (and better)

          Leave a voicemail that is one minute and thirty seconds or shorter on this topic. The best way to do this is to record it yourself and then email it. Jay also says that he has a dedicated phone line for voicemails ( (801) 382-8789 ) although that didn’t work the one time I tried to call into that mailbox from the road.

          • In an attempt to circumvent anyone having to read out my obnoxiously long essay, here’s mine:

            “Horror is the deformation of reality to exaggerate difficult and frightening situations to the extent that we have no identifiable pre-existing framework that might allow us to deal with such situations.”

      • It’s moments like this that makes me love Jay of the Dead. He’s so passionate about the goofiest of things. A definitive declaration of what is and what isn’t horror when it’s impossible to get everyone to agree on one definition.

        I am looking forward to this if for no other reason than for the listeners to use Jay’s own definition of horror to discredit past stances on what is and what isn’t horror.

  6. I am flabbergasted, absolutely FLABBERGASTED that Jay of the Dead, of all people, is actually excited for Amityville: The Awakening. The horror scene has been over saturated with supernatural movies in recent years and truthfully, I wouldn’t say I’m a big fan of any of the previous Amityville movies. It’s a series that I’m flummoxed that it’s had so many sequels when The Amityville Horror wasn’t even good.

    Now, with all of that being said, at the risk of sounding like a hypocrite, the one thing that does pique my interest is the fact that Franck Khalfoun is directing. He’s the guy who directed P2 and the remake of Maniac. So perhaps there is some very, very small chance that it might be watchable.

    • I’m a huge fan of supernatural horror and i also love Jennifer Jason Leigh but I totally agree that we do not need another Amityville movie. The villain in one of the 4th terrible sequel was a lamp for goods sake. A f***ing evil lamp! When a lamp is the scariest thing in your horror movie sequel then i think your franchise might need to die.

      The thought of another “Underworld” movie also churns my stomach. I could not agree more with Wolfman’s sentiment about matrix-poses and machine guns. Those movies are obnoxious, exploitative aesthetically appalling trash in all the wrong ways. Ugh.

    • I’m with you Sal. I also never found the original Amityville Horror to be very good. It’s part of why maybe I loved something like The Conjuring so much is because it was what something like Amityville Horror could have and should have been.

    • It’s not that I’m excited, Sal. I’m just optimistic and hopeful about movies… I almost always try to have an open mind when watching a movie (unless it’s “Ouija,” I guess). ha ha


  7. I have interest in seeing Jeepers Creepers 3. I thought the second one was absolutely dreadful, but I’ve always enjoyed the original Jeepers Creepers. Obviously, Victor Salva is going to turn a certain percentage of horror fans away and while I completely respect anyone that doesn’t want anything to do with seeing his films, I’m okay with it as long as the movies are enjoyable. Granted, the extent of my support for Salva is strictly watching his movies if I enjoy them.

    I do remember that when Jeepers Creepers first came out, Fangoria Magazine had an editorial where they explained their decision to cover the film despite some qualms.

    All of this may not be necessary seeing as there’s been talk about Jeepers Creepers 3 for years. Who knows if the movie will even be released in 2016 or even 2017.

    • Yes, this movie has been talked about for a long time. Who knows if or when it will be released. I have a friend who did ADR and dialogue editing for the first film and she said she loved working on the film but Salva gave off a really creepy vibe when he was in the room.

      • Knowing what Salva did, I wonder if it’s an involuntary thought that anyone who meets him gets this creepy impression. Salva could be really nice to you, holding a puppy in one hand and a present in the other, but chances are you’re still going to get weird vibes from him. I wonder if he’d still give off that vibe if he met someone who had absolutely no idea who he was.

        • I’m in way defending him or sympathising with him but it could be that it stems from an awkwardness on his part. It must be pretty difficult meeting knew people knowing they likely already view you as a sick predatory paedophile. Obviously he damn well deserves it. But it’s weird to think how that might affect a persons ability to interact with others. The worst thing I’ve ever done was when i was about 13 and thought it would be funny to draw a penis on the painting the kid sat next to me in art class had done and now whenever I meet new people I assume that they somehow inexplicably know about that and are judging me harshly for it.

        • I’m not sure if he gives off the vibe or not- but his body of work is creepy enough. I mean, there’s the knowledge of what he did and then there’s the repetitive nature in that he continually works on films that speak to the nature of his crime. His work on the Jeepers Creepers series is all about victimizing young boys in a decidedly sexual and predatory context. His work with Powder repeatedly felt like a very predatory film toward young men. This just repeatedly seems like a guy who can’t avoid working on projects that mirror his past crime.

    • I’m with you guys. The ‘Burbs is amazing and it totally feels like it at least partially belongs to the horror genre to me. It has that classic, spooky Adams Family sort of vibe that makes it an excellent watch on Halloween.

      • The ‘Burbs is in my Top Ten of all time. My 8 year old daughter and I are about to watch it together for the fifth time. She is also a huge fan of The Monster Squad (proud mom moment), so I know she would love to listen to that episode with me.

        • Wow, we are destined to be BFFs, Allison. I feel the same way about The ‘Burbs and The Monster Squad. And of course we are on the same page about John Carpenter’s Halloween. You’ve got to play your daughter the episode of Movie Stream Cast where I review The Monster Squad with my 5 year old, see if she agrees with his review. http://bit.ly/1LXMhhD

          • Josh, your son is PRECIOUS! What a well-spoken little man. My daughter loved the episode…she agrees that it’s not as fun as going to the park, although she does have a crush on Ricky Butler. ? We also listened to the Abbott and Costello episode. We are huge fans of Abbott and Costello in Hold That Ghost (if you haven’t seen it you should definitely check it out) so we enjoyed that review as well.

        • That’s awesome, Allison. I’m a huge ‘Burbs’ fan myself, and I actually saw it in the theater with my Mom. I saw a lot of movies with my Mom but that one in particular has always been one of my favorite experiences. I believe I was twelve when it came out and discovered with this film that my sense of humor came from my Mom because there was just a combo of enjoyment and laughter with this film. I feel like we talked about this film more than just about any after we watched it and viewed it many more times together when it came on cable the following year.

    • Love The Burbs!! It used to terrify me as a kid when it would come on USA or TBS. The creepy guy with the red hair and the scenes in the neighbor’s house gave me nightmares.

  8. I agree with Josh. Another Amityville sequel would be redundant. I can’t think of anything new that could be brought to the table. Why can’t filmmakers do something original…like a masked killer stalking teenagers in the woods.

    Yeah. I’m being sarcastic.

    Josh doesn’t make much sense. He scoffs at another Amityville sequel saying it’s been done to death…but then he says, out of all the movies slated for release this year, he’s most excited about the Friday the 13th and Halloween movies.

    • Pfft. I admitted it was hypocritical, but fair enough. I just happen to love ’80s slashers. Especially Michael Myers. As far as Jason Voorhees, I’m mostly excited for the prospect of the movie being done in the found footage style. I think it could add a new and interesting take on a classic if done right. I’m also excited for the franchise ownership to shift to Blumhouse. I feel like they’ll want to do something new and exciting with the property.

      If someone wanted to do something new and exiting with Amityville, I’d be more interested, but I prefer the tone of a masked killer in the woods to anything I’ve seen in an Amityville movie. My problem with the Amityville movies is that they just keep redoing the first one rather than trying to think of new directions to take the (I guess you have to call it a) franchise. So the franchise doesn’t have “legs” in my opinion.

      I got it. I liked the original. I could stand the remake. I’d be up for an Amityville movie that incorporates the characters from The Conjuring. But I got it. No need for more.

      Now, if someone else said that to me about Jason Voorhees, I’d understand that too. It’s been done. I personal see more potential for something new with the Friday the 13th universe than I do with the Amityville universe, but it’s been done. I got it. I just happen to like it. We all have our personal biases.

      • It’s also a little weird that you have a problem with the title Viral, but you have no problem with the title The Bye Bye Man. You have to admit that it’s a very silly title. If it really does turn out to be the next Michael Myers, I’ll eat my own words though.

  9. Is Monster Squad comedy horror or would it fit better in a family horror theme?

    For a comedy horror episode I’d love to hear some Young Frankenstein discussion. I know Josh hates this movie but to me it is a better love letter to the Frankenstein films than Final Girls is to 80’s slashers.

    • First of all, I love Young Frankenstein. I just consider it a comedy–not a horror movie–and I prefer Haunted Honeymoon. But I have absolutely nothing against Young Frankenstein. It’s loads of fun.

      Second, you don’t have to tear something down to build another thing up, bro. Lay off The Final Girls!

      • I agree whole heartedly with that. You guys turned me on to it, and I loved it. Although, like the good doctor, I was a huge fan of Gravy, and liked it a touch more in the horror/comedy department in 2015.

          • Is Gravy really that good, guys? I usually trust Dave and his tastes implicitly, but he does have that DR. SCHLOCK nickname for a reason. The Gravy poster, description and title all look awful to me.

            • There’s a lot of comedy in it, so I’m not sure how you’d like it. If you enjoyed Murder Party, you should be able to enjoy Gravy. If nothing else, there’s a lot of great gore scenes.

            • I would use the term gonzo somewhere in describing it. It’s characters are insane to the point of absurdism, as if the spirit of Hunter S. Thompson was lingering throughout the production. It’s a really, really dark comedy with great practical gore effects , but probably falls into the grey area of genre classification Hobo With A Shotgun or Turbo Kid does.

              Also, to get an idea of how our tastes differ, Josh, I watched We Are Still Here last night, and thought it was damn near a masterpiece, which I believe jives with DS much more than yourself. I mention this because I think that if Gravy isn’t your speed, you’ll really dislike it. It’s just got a subjective weird factor that will resonate with some, but really put off others, and I don’t think either camp is wrong for their opinion, whereas some movies, if you don’t like them there is something wrong with you as an individual (Jay of the Dead), because they’re so clearly great horror films by most standards.

      • Ok, ok. I don’t mean to tear down Final Girls. I own it, it’s number 8 on my top 10 of the year. I just meant Young Frankenstein goes even farther as a tribute in my opinion. Final girls has an emotional story to it that goes farther than Young Frankenstein and definitely more scares than Young Frankenstein. I only mean to compare and contrast.

        Anyhow, I thought you hated Mel Brooks (though I’d argue it’s more Gene Wilder). It makes me happy you like it Wolfman!

          • I’m definitely not a huge Mel Brooks fan, but I am a Gene Wilder fan and I think Young Frankenstein is probably Brooks’ best as well. I kind of like High Anxiety because I love Hitchcock so much, but it’s really not a great film, if I’m honest. And yes, I love Haunted Honeymoon, but I’m partial to werewolves.

          • I have to rewatch Haunted Honeymoon. Haven’t seen it since I was a kid; pretty sure I saw it in the theater. I can’t agree it’s better than Young Frankenstein though. That’s insanity.

          • What’s wrong with schlock? A little schlock never killed anyone. I think it goes hand in hand with horror a lot of the time anyway.

  10. I emailed this as well, but figured I should put it here as well. You guys talked about video games for a second at the top of the show with the F13 game. I backed this game on Kickstarter. Can’t wait. A few cinematic things about that game you NEED to know:

    -Sean S. Cunningham is creative consultant
    -Tom Savini is designing all the kills
    -Kane Hodder is doing motion capture for Jason
    -Harry Manfredini is doing the score!!!

    And the this is what I was emailing about! The best horror film experience I’ve had in years! Is the game “Until Dawn”. Here’s basically what I said in my email. First off, it was written by Graham Redneck and Larry Fessenden, that should be enough excitement already. The actors in this game including Hayden Panettiere and Peter Stormare perform the motion capture and voice acting. The in-game characters are based on exactly how the actors look in real life.

    “Until Dawn”, is technically classified as a video game, but it is more precisely an interactive horror film with multiple endings that are dependent on what choices you make. A horror script with a 1000 page script basically.

    Let me try to sell this to you before you stop reading.

    Imagine a film that starts as a slasher with a few Jigsawesque death traps revolving around a bit of a murder mystery that includes moments of a haunted house movie that eventually moves in to an abandoned mental asylum that then finally becomes a beastly freaks survival horror film all while taking place over a single night on a snowy mountain… oh and a little bit of canibalism. It juggles it all seamlessly as you see the story from the perspective of all 8 characters, that all start out as petulant slasher cutouts who you want to see killed— which quickly changes as you desperately want them all to survive as they become very unique and true to life with lots of intermingled heartfelt relationships.

    I argue that this is just as much a horror film as it is a video game. I had more fun and got more scared “watching” this than I did with any horror film last year. You need to play this movie!

    • Kagan,

      I need to get round to this. I’ve seen so much about it, all of it good, but I just haven’t had the chance.

      Did you play Alien Isolation? I found that to be a truly horrifying experience, especially on hard mode.

      For those who don’t know, you get to play as Ellen Ripley’s daughter and suffer a similar fate to hers. Alone, frightened, no weapons, one alien.

      As a huge fan of the first film, I really think this is the first game to do it justice. and possible the first game to do any film justice. Well worth a play of you haven’t tried it.

      • I’m dying to try Alien Isolation. My co-worker said he might lend me his copy because it makes him too anxious when he plays it. hahah. If only for the Giger aesthetic, I’ve been really wanting to try it out!

        • If you get the chance, do it. Hard mode is not for the faint of heart, nor the impatient. You will spend hours under a desk too afraid to move… And that’s in real life, not the game.

  11. Alright. I promise I won’t leave a ton of huge comments, but I’ve had this idea for some episodes for awhile. It’s called SLASHER MADNESS.

    Basically you take 16 or so of the best slasher films and pit them against each other to see which is the very favorite of the listeners and hosts combined. You do this for 4 weeks and review 4 films each week. I made an example bracket mockup and excel file you can see here:

    Preview: https://www.dropbox.com/s/eujh4lzue7rdtfq/Slasher%20Madness%20Preview.png?dl=0


    The slashers I chose were basically between these parameters: starting with Halloween (1978), which I call the first real slasher not a proto-slasher, leading up to, but not including Scream (1996), which is when the genre went post-modern.

    Anyway, the fun of it is that it forces you to chose potentially between two films you really love. It can be brutal!

  12. The movies I’m excited about…not in any particular order…
    1. 10 Cloverfield Lane
    2. 31
    3. The Witch
    4. Southbound
    5. February
    6. Phantasm Ravenger
    7. Jeepers Creepers 3
    8.The Strangers 2
    9. Baskin
    10. Death House…Which they are calling The Expendables of horror movies…Check out that cast!!!

    • Shannon, these all sound like excellent films! I have to say I am most excited for 31. I am a huge House of 1000 Corpses/ The Devil’s Rejects fan, so if he can get back on that track I’ll be happy.

      • I’m still not over my hatred of Zombie’s Halloween 2 to have any interest in seeing 31.

        For me, The Witch is at the top of my my list for movies I’m looking forward to seeing. It’s one of the few horror movies in 2016 that I’ve heard enough about to be psyched to see it.

        • I have no words for Halloween 2. Honestly it should never have happened. I turned it and The Lords of Salem off after about 20 minutes.

          • I haven’t even attempted to watch The Lords of Salem. It’s a real shame too because at one point, I was a huge Zombie fan. There’s never been a single movie that caused me to turn on a director more than Halloween 2 did with Rob Zombie.

          • I like The Devil’s Rejects and the first Halloween. And I feel pretty much the same about Halloween 2 and Lords of Salem, so I’m not particularly looking forward to 31, but I’ll go in with an open mind.

            I do want to give Lords of Salem another try …

        • I really struggled with Lords of Salem when I first saw it. Good on Rob Zombie for trying to go a slightly different direction with his film choice but I think that he missed the mark. It was just a little bit ‘too out there’ for my tastes.

          I did however give it another chance about a year ago. On Gregamortis’ recommendation I read the book by Rob Zombie and B.K. Evenson and I quite enjoyed it. The novel fills in a lot of the blanks left in the movie and provides a more detailed backstory.

          After reading the book I gave LOS a second chance and I’m afraid that I was still let down.

          It appears that 31 will see a return to Zombie’s roots of H1KC and the Devil’s Rejects and I hope that he can pull it off. After Halloween 2 and LOS, Zombie needs a hit.


      • I agree totally, Allison…I’m a huge Zombie fan…I like the Halloween remakes..good or not, at least he tried…but his original movies are truley original and fucked-up…

        • They are indeed. I actually hated House of 1000 Corpses the first time I saw it, but now dearly love it. I have watched 30 Days in Hell (the making of Rejects) several times. I hope Rob Zombie can return to those roots…those films made him a great filmmaker IMO. I believe this has been mentioned previously, maybe during the Halloween franchise review, but it seems that a lot of times these new filmmakers really score with their first attempts and then seem to stray (ahem, M. Night Shyamalan) from what put them on the map.

          • I had a very similar reaction to Zombie’s House of 1000 Corpses the first time that I saw it as well. There was so much hype behind it and very little was known. I afraid that I had created a certain image of the film in my mind and when it didn’t live up to that I was disappointed.
            Thankfully I have since been able to recalibrate my expectations and like so many horror fans, I now adore this film.
            Although I have high hopes for 31 I will try my best to temper my expectation.


            • I had the opposite reaction towardsHouse of 1,000 Corpses. It was the sort of gritty and hardcore movie that I was wanting to see in 2003. When I first bought the DVD, I must have watched it a half dozen times that first week, watching the regular movie and it’s commentary tracks a couple of times. The last time I saw it, it didn’t hold up as well for me. The first two thirds is still great, but it loses itself in the final twenty minutes.

        • I just can’t get behind either ‘Halloween’ remake. Carpenter’s original is my favorite horror film of all time (and possibly just favorite movie) and I’ve given Zombie’s original remake a good three tries and it’s just not for me I’ve decided. I’ve only given the second one a single viewing because you know, White Horse.

          I want to like Zombie’s films but I just haven’t so far. “Devil’s Rejects” came the closest but I still have a lot of issues with it. His pacing bugs the crap out of me and “Rejects” is an example of it at its worst.

          So I will go into “31” hoping this is his film that’s going to pull me in. I’m always rooting for him.

  13. Much like 2015 I’m betting there will be a bunch of suprise unknown gems popping up during the course of the year…ala The Final Girls, Deathgasm, Bone Tomahak…that I await to discover…

    • I think horror may be the one genre where you’re least likely to know what will be the best movies of the year at the start of the year. For the most part, it’s just the mainstream sequels that receive that valuable attention way in advance. Most of the better horror require that word of the mouth advertisement.

      • Yep.

        But seriously, most of them are indie films that come from the film festival circuit. And that’s also where the word of mouth comes from. For instance …

        IT FOLLOWS played at Cannes, TIFF, Sundance, Sitges and 30 other film festivals before it even premiered in the United States.

        WHAT WE DO IN THE SHADOWS played at Sundance, Berlin, TIFF and 28 other film fests before it premiered in the U.S.

        THE BABADOOK played Sundance, Seattle, Fantastic Fest, Sitges and 23 other film fests before it premiered in the U.S.

        A GIRL WALKS HOME ALONE AT NIGHT played at Sundance, Rooftop, Sitges, London and 18 other film fests before it premiered in the U.S.

        SPRING played at TIFF and 15 other fests before it premiered in the U.S.

        THE FINAL GIRLS played at SXSW, LAFF, TIFF, Sitges and 5 more film fests before it premiered in the U.S.

        BONE TOMAHAWK played at Fantastic Fest, London, Sitges and 2 more film fests before it premiered in the U.S.

        The more fests, the bigger the buzz, it seems. Support your local film festivals, people! And then let us know what we should be watching out for in 2016 and 2017.

        • I’m absolutely going to be hitting up the Seattle Film Festival this year, hoping for some good horror. I wanted to make Sundance this year, since I’ve never gone and have a friend who lives only twenty minutes away from Park City, but damn… just bought a new car. I don’t think I should spend all my monies. :(

  14. Forgive me, I don’t mean to overstep my boundaries, but if there’s one area of HMP’s comment section that could use some improvement, it’s the ability to edit our comments. I’m not sure what settings or versions you have set up for the comments system, but I’m wondering if an add-on like below might be exactly what HMP’s comment section needs?


    Or even the simpler:


    In case you guys aren’t interested in allowing us to edit comments, please disregard this message. Ha

    • The issue is that a lot of these WordPress plug-ins have bugs that will shut down your whole site. You may have noticed that TSFP site was down for about twelve hours a few days ago. That was because of a bug in a comment related plug-in, actually. Jay is a little superstitious about this and often doesn’t even like to apply updates to software because he’s afraid it will cause problems (which it sometimes does with WordPress). I’m fine with testing new ones out, but that is also why TSFP and MSC have had more technical issues.

      SO … what I am going to do is test these out on MSC and TSFP first and make sure we don’t have any issues, then see if Jay wants to implement them.

      The other good news that may make this irrelevant is that we are looking at some options to revamp all of the sites across the network. Geek Cast Ry is heading up this effort and will be updating his site first. But Matt is raring to go too. So, if that goes well, me and Joel will follow and hopefully Jay as well. It’s high time the quality of the sites (and as you know, I am always concerned about the art) match the quality of the shows.

      TSFP and MSC are also upgrading their audio gear this year. It’ll be great. All good things. Thanks for doing this leg-work, Sal. I will start with these.

  15. Without making this a political discussion, did anyone else hear about It Follows being mentioned by Senator Ted Cruz during the most recent Republican Debate? It’s pretty impressive that this little horror movie has become so big that it’s being name dropped during such big television events.

  16. My attempt at defining horror.

    Genres are simply put descriptions of a type of movie in it’s most simplistic manner. A comedy is a movie designed to make you laugh. A romance movie shows a tale of love. An action movie has a lot of adventures and explosions. Horror is designed to scare the audience. Yet, not every movie that is designed to scare the audience is horror. A thriller can be very similar. The difference between a horror and a thriller to me is realism. A thriller tends to be more realistic and believable. A thriller and a horror could have the same plot of the protagonist being stalked by a potential killer. In a thriller, the potential killer is going to look like an every day person that you see on the street. In a horror movie, the potential killer is going to have some unique backstory (IE. Supernatural), be wearing a mask, unable to be killed, or is more interested in torturing the victim rather than just killing.

    For examples, there’s the thriller No Escape and the horror movie The Strangers. In both cases, a couple is trying to avoid being killed by a group that wants to do them harm. Yet, in the latter, the killers are wearing masks, enjoy playing games, and their reasons for doing harm are far more open and non-specific than the motivations in No Escape.

    So simply put, horror is a type of movie that intends to scare the audience without sticking to realistic and/or logical limits.

    I do not believe it’s important to define if a movie is or is not horror unless it comes to making lists. Most of the time, it doesn’t matter how you classify a movie. At the same time, I don’t have any problems with movies blending genres. At no time were movies supposed to be pigeonholed into one type of genre. Genres were created to help moviegoers know whether or not a movie might be worth watching. Since each genre has a very simple definition/goal, it only makes sense that a lot of movies are going to fall into multiple genres. Comedy is used in multiple genres to help lighten the mood.

  17. Wolfman,
    If you want to check out a cool horror game, look into “Until Dawn”. It came out in 2015. I believe it was co-written by Larry Fessenden. All the decisions you make in the game affect who lives and who dies. I’m on my third time around playing it so I can change my decisions to get everybody to survive. It begins as if it’s a slasher but goes a different direction. It has some star power as Hayden Panatierre, Peter Stomare, Rami Malek, Brett Dalton, and of course Larry Fessenden lend their voice and likeness to the game. It’s awesome.

    I know “The Revenant” isn’t a horror film, but the bear attack in it is truly terrifying. I was wondering if you could just make a mention of it on HMP. It’s the never ending bear attack. Thanks.

    • If Jay is calling Bone Tomahawk a horror film, I imagine he’d AT LEAST have to call The Revenant “survival horror” … to say nothing of his No Escape classification. Minus “the big scene” in Bone Tomahawk, I’d call the The Revenant more of a survival horror film as it has way more of the horrific throughout.

      Thanks for the Until Dark recommendation, Tim J. Kagan made a great pitch for it too. I’m probably going to hold out until the Friday the 13th game is released before I get back into gaming, but Until Dark will absolutely be at the top of the list of things to try. Thanks again!

  18. What the hell guys! How can you title this episode “Three Dudes Talking About Horror” and not invite The Dude?! I’m heartbroken.

    I’m just sitting down to this episode right now, but I have my pen and paper ready to write down all of the prospective flicks for 2016. I’m sure that it will be a great year!

    The Dude

  19. The Final Girls seems to be getting an awful lot of attention around here lately. I had a chance to check this flick out earlier in the week. It was an enjoyable way to spend 90minutes but I wasn’t blown away by it. The 80s throwback was entertaining but the movie its was pretty weak IMO. If anyone is looking for a more solid throwback flick I would recommend Lost After Dark.

    I also wanted to mention that there hasn’t been too much chatter about Tyler Shields “Final Girl” with Abigail Breslin and Wes Bentley. This is far from a perfect flick and there are some rather sizeable holes in the plot, but I thought that it was well done. Has anyone else seen it?


    • We talked about Lost After Dark. I think it’s fun but pretty mediocre. I think The Final Girls has a lot more emotional weight behind it and is attempting something much more interesting.

    • Hey, The Dude. I saw FINAL GIRL a while before THE FINAL GIRLS, actually. Ms. Breslin sure has grown up! But yeah, I figured that this film was going to be a blatant ripoff of the renowned horror graphic novels HACK SLASH, which sees a badass final girl killing a variety of slasher villains. I’m glad it didn’t outright copy those comics, but in a way… I wish it had. Would have made for a more exciting film. That said, it wasn’t terrible by any means. I think it’s a mid-priority rental. Would have loved to see her after a REAL villain, ya know? Keep abidin’, The Dude.

  20. If you guys have nearly five hours to kill, check out the podcast by Moodz/Exploding Heads that Jay posted in the show notes. They had named several horror movies that I can’t remember being talked about whether on HMP or in the comment section. It’s nice not having the same exact sort of lists that you’d find on HMP.

    Admittedly, there is a lot of cussing on the podcast, so keep that in mind if you’re not a fan of that.

  21. Horror Fans!

    The long-awaited HORROR COMEDY show is finally happening–mostly likely within this first quarter of 2016. I’ve been thinking about the films to feature-review for this episode (we typically pick 1-4 films to focus our discussion) and I figured we’d go to you, the most active audience, for some suggestions.

    When you think of “Horror Comedy” what are the Top 4 movies you think of? Leave your picks for feature-reviews below.

    A few things to keep in mind:

    -We’ll probably be name-dropping around 100 films during our discussion and utilizing them to make our points, so many, many films will come up that we don’t necessarily feature-review.

    -I’d like to avoid “Comedy-Horror” films for this discussion, films like Young Frankenstein (which is discussed above), so that we’re not getting in fights about whether these films even qualify as horror. I’m sure it will happen, regardless, but do your best to nominate films that fit easily into both horror and comedy. Examples, for me personally, that would fit this criteria (off the top of my head) would be like Jason Lives, Tremors and Slither. These films have both legitimate comedy and legitimate scares.

    -Keep in mind that we are doing a separate “Zom-Com” episode with Kyle Bishop where we will be feature-reviewing Shaun of the Dead and Zombieland, among others. You are welcome to nominate those films, but we won’t be feature-reviewing them for this ep. The same goes for The Monster Squad, which will be in our family-friendly, scary movies episode. We also have an upcoming franchise review of The Evil Dead. I know this is pretty limiting and that’s why I’m coming to you for help. I will mention anything that is nominated, but really shoot for the films you’d like to see feature-reviewed in this episode that don’t cleanly fit another theme, if possible.

    -It would be great to have the nominations span from classics to new releases (we usually like to cover one current film). I actually assumed that it would be a no-brainer that The Final Girls would be one of our feature reviews, but I’ve heard so much push-back about it actually being a “Comedy-Horror” film that I think we’re just going to get Dave’s–and hopefully Jay’s–reviews in the next Frankenstein episode. Who knows? We’ll see.

    -Feel free to leave up to 10 runners-up. I will tally the audience feedback on this. This would be the place to include stuff like your “Zom-Com” and “Comedy-Horror” etc films, if you just have to include them.

    • Yes yes yes!
      – Okay, definitely Slither. “Margaret packs a box lunch.” I mean, come on. Hilarious.
      – The ‘Burbs, of course
      – Cooties
      – Tremors

      Honorable mentions
      – Zombeavers
      – Tucker and Dale vs Evil
      – Cabin in the Woods
      – The Final Girls
      – Buffy the Vampire Slayer

      I am beyond excited. This episode is going to be so much fun!

      • I can see Tucker & Dale, I suppose.

        I am with you 100% on Slither, Cabin in the Woods and Buffy.

        I’m with you 1000% on Tremors, The ‘Burbs and The Final Girls.

        But how in the living hell did Cooties and Zombeavers make this list? You’re blowing my mind.

    • How much did you have to pay Jay to finally breakdown and ‘allow’ a horror comedy episode.

      My one recommendation for a horror comedy review is Peter Jackson’s 1992 MASTERPIECE Dead Alive.

      Thanks for considering it.


    • Let’s see, horror comedy that hasn’t been mentioned and isn’t in the no-no list for future shows…

      My top 4:
      Tucker and Dale vs. Evil
      Idle Hands

      …and other mentions:
      Eight Legged Freaks
      Basket Case
      John Dies at the End
      Dead Alive
      The Fearless Vampire Killers
      Black Sheep

    • Here’s my Top 4 Horror-Comedy list, gangstaz!

      THE FRIGHTENERS (1996) – This pre Lord of the Rings Peter Jackson film does extraordinarily well at maintaining a balance of horror and comedy and never allows for one to undermine or override the other. The horror aspects are handled with the appropriate darkness and gore, while the comedic aspects feel fresh and off-the-wall in the best way possible. From a writing standpoint, the cast of characters (dead and alive alike) are so interesting and multi-faceted, while the plot itself is just so wholly original that it makes me want to cry to think that the next decade of horror after this film would be comprised of remakes and torture porn. Oh, who am I kidding? I like remakes and torture porn. Of note: This is Michael J. Fox’s best non-time travel role.

      JOHN DIES AT THE END (2012) – This movie cracked me the hell up! It’s the funniest on this list to me, honestly. Now, look… I’m aware of that group of people who have read the book. I’m also aware that these people seem to actively dislike this film. As an avid reader who has NOT read this book, I will let the film speak for itself as a horror-comedy, and I believe it to be a 2012 gem.

      DEAD ALIVE (1992) – This pre The Frighteners Peter Jackson film (yeah, two Jackson films… I know) goes quite a bit heavier on the comedy than on outright horror. That said, what the film may lack in darker horror tones, it MORE than makes up for it in the gore department. This film DELIVERS THE GORE! Stephen King famously said that if he felt he couldn’t scare a reader, he’d opt for the gross out. This film does just that to GREAT effect.

      SLITHER (2006) – I haven’t seen this film in years, but when Wolfman threw it out there as an example, I knew it would make my list. It uses the right amount of comedy and horror to make an effective film that keeps you laughing even while you’re in suspense. I mean… that’s the goal of a well put-together horror comedy, right? Also, I think I used to have a crush on Elizabeth Banks, so… that’s great.


      BEETLEJUICE (1988) – This didn’t make my top 4 list, only because I’m not 100% sure how to classify this film. Maybe I should just put it on there right at the top. Regardless, this movie is amazing. A “bio-exorcist!” GENIUS!

      DETENTION (2011) – This also didn’t make my list, only because I just don’t know quite how to classify it. It IS a horror-comedy slasher, but it’s also something else entirely.

      GHOSTBUSTERS (1984) – Who the hell you gon’ call?!

      TUCKER AND DALE VS. EVIL (2010) – Laughs and accidental suicides abound! And beer.

      COTTAGE COUNTRY (2013) – Tyler Labine from Tucker and Dale Vs. Evil stars with Malin Ackerman in this horror-comedy that unfortunately got no love. Admittedly, it is lighter on the horror than the comedy by quite a bit, but still!

      NIGHT OF THE CREEPS (1986) – David was right to include this one.

      THE VOICES (2015) – This is more of a black comedy-horror. The humor seems to come from a place that is more unsettling than outright funny. Ryan Reynolds pulls this off well. The musical number at the end is… whoa!

      LITTLE SHOP OF HORRORS (1986) – “Feed me, Seymour! Feed me all night long!”

      DOGHOUSE (2009) – British dudes vs. man-hating (yet man-eating) cannibal ladies.

      RETURN OF THE LIVING DEAD (1985) – “More brains!”

      • Killer list. Never heard of Cottage Country. Need to watch that. Not as big a fan of John Dies at the End or Tucker & Dale as everyone else. I should at least give the former another try. Love the rest of these movies.

        • Thanks, Wolfman. Can’t wait to hear the next episode, man, because I’m leaving a comment right when it’s posted that has EVERYTHING to do with a Jay of the Dead rap. Yup. Not letting this go.

        • I enjoyed Cottage Country, but I’m also someone who loved Tucker and Dale vs. Evil.

          Chances are that you’d feel the same way about both of them. Personally though, I feel the world would be a happier place with more Tyler Labine.

          • Have you watched the Hulu series, Deadbeat, starring Tyler Labine? He can see ghosts and helps them “move on.” There are some pretty funny episodes.

            • I only saw the first episode of Deadbeat, but I enjoyed it. I was a big fan of Labine’s other big comedy/horror series, Reaper. What could be better than a series comprised of Labine and Ray Wise playing the devil? Pity it only lasted two seasons, it was a clever take on a commonly seen story.

    • 1. Dead Alive- (AKA: Brain Dead) – Peter Jackson’s gory flick about a boy and his mother who got bitten by a sumatran Monkey Rat and infected with a disease that turns people into flesh eating monsters. This is, by far, the greatest Horror Comedy ever made with a perfect blend of splatstick and story.

      2. “Slither” James Gunn with an alien horror along the same vein as “Night of the Creeps” but with a little more body horror thrown in for some gruesome splatter. gooey.

      3. An American Werewolf in London: Genuinely funny and genuinely scary with a little heart break thrown in there for just the right punch. This is a film that’s a perfect example of using comedy to disarm the audience and then tear them apart with a solid rip of the emotional strings.

      4. Piranha – 1978 : Okay, I was going to put Tremors down but that films been covered a few times on the podcast and when I was racking my brain for another classic I figured I’d offer this one up for consideration: WHY? This film is seriously underrated… the hero is a drunken hobo, the leading lady is an inept moron, and the whole film plays out like a Jaws rip-off but with tiny little piranha instead and it’s flat out hilarious and a little scary at the same time.

      *Honorable mentions:
      Return of the Living Dead
      Evil Dead 2
      Texas Chainsaw MAssacre 2
      Lost Boys
      Tucker and Dale vs. Evil
      Cabin Fever
      Lake Placid

          • thank ye both. =) Sorting through this board and I realize I miss a few comments here and there. I actually racked my brain on this and kind of pulled a Jay where I wrote several lists and tried to think of the best examples I could. Return of the living Dead and Dead Alive fit into Zom-Com genre, but I also think they’re decidedly against the formula of what passes for a zom-com in this day and age. So I threw them on this list because they were genuinely good horror-comedies where the emphasis wasn’t really on “zombie” so much as horror.

            I know, I’m a little odd and justifying here.

    • My horror/comedy picks:

      Bride of Chucky (1998) – The film took a late 80’s slasher icon and re-invented him for a new generation. Whether you like the film or not, it brought the killer doll back to the mainstream and breathed new life into the series. Bride of Chucky also followed Scream’s direction of being self aware.

      The Invisible Man (1933) – Out of all of the classic Universal Monsters movies, The Invisible Man had the most comedy in it. At times, it’s very slapstick, yet there’s still that looming presence that deaths may end up happening if our anti-hero remains invisible for too long. If Abbott and Costello horror movies are comedy horror, The Invisible Man is a horror comedy.

      Tucker and Dale vs. Evil (2010) – A recent horror comedy that is filled with a ton of blood and horror, but in the hilarious plot of a giant misunderstanding. Besides the zom coms like Shaun of the Dead or Zombieland, Tucker and Dale vs. Evil is what I think of for recent horror comedies.

      Killer Klowns from Outer Space (1988) – One of my favorite guilty pleasures. It’s a straight out horror movie, but the comedy comes from how utterly absurd it all is that Klowns are the killers in this movie.

      Honorable mentions:

      Cabin in the Woods
      Dead Alive
      Bubba Ho-Tep
      Eight Legged Freaks
      The Frighteners
      Idle Hands

      • Invisible Man, eh? I guess I can’t think about horror comedy without acknowledging James Whale. He’s the first horror director that I know who really liked to mix comedy with horror. All of his horror movies have comedy in them, The Old Dark House, Frankenstein, Bride of Frankenstein and The Invisible Man. He loved Una O’Connor as comedic relief in The Invisible Man so he brought he back for Bride of Frankenstein. I’m not sure I consider any of these movies horror comedy but Whale definitely had some wacky moments in his horror.

    • This is probably my favorite genre. I look forward to this one. My tops are Return of the Living Dead, Critters, Evil Dead 2, Dead Alive, and Dead Snow 2.

    • No fresh ideas here from me. These are best examples

      Friday the 13th pt. 6
      Return of the Living Dead
      The Final Girls

      honorable mention:
      Critters, but upon rewatch it’s neither really funny or scary just nostalgia :)

    • To me horror-comedy and comedy-horror are both legitimate sub genres that can fit under the horror umbrella. One of the earliest “horror” films I know is Le Manoir du Diable (1896). Film experts might be able to correct me but Georges Méliès set out to make a film that shows things appearing and disappearing using camera tricks. I don’t believe he intended it to be horror but it did frighten some early viewers. The film also has horror tropes like a bat who turns into the devil who then conjures things out of his cauldron. There’s an impish sidekick, a skeleton, ghost-like figures, and two guys scared of the events before them. If the film intends to make people laugh but heavily relies on horror-tropes I would include it in horror or comedy genres. I find it very hard to separate movies out of horror-comedy because they don’t intend or didn’t scare me. I’ve watched plenty of horror films that didn’t scare me at all. Anyhow, here is my list (that was very hard to get down to 14!).

      1. Trick R’ Treat
      2. The Old Dark House (1932)
      3. Fright Night (1985)
      4. Drag Me to Hell

      Honorable Mentions:
      Young Frankenstein
      The Frighteners
      Killer Klowns from Outer Space
      Behind the Mask: The Rise of Leslie Vernon
      The Comedy of Terrors
      Piranha 3D (2010)
      Cemetery Man
      Cabin Fever

      • Awesome list, Mark.

        I haven’t seen (or heard of) The Old Dark House or
        The Comedy of Terrors.

        Not a fan of Behind the Mask: The Rise of Leslie Vernon.

        Enjoy every other movie on your list, however. Love most of them.

        • I just want to go on record in saying I loved The Old Dark House. While it’s not nearly as well known as James Whale’s three other horror films, I’d rank it right up there with Frankenstein, Bride of Frankenstein, and The Invisible Man.

          If I’m not mistaken, I believe it’s also a historic film as it’s the first horror where a group heads to an old house, not unlike the cliche teens heading to a cabin plot.

          • That’s cool! Yea, the Old Dark House (1932) is pretty great. It may be a stretch to put it as horror-comedy but I don’t know what else to call it.

        • Thanks, I tried to keep to my favorites but I also tried to diversify the list you were already getting. I’ve heard you say Leslie Vernon isn’t one of your favorites. Maybe you’ll talk about it in the podcast but I’d like to hear your perspective on it. Is it because they’re doing a documentary all wrong?

    • 1. Ghostbusters
      2. The Burbs
      3. Lost Boys (this is a stretch as a comedy but cheesy enough to maybe fit in)
      4. Gremlins (also a stretch as a comedy but scared me as a kid)
      5. Troll 2 (just kidding!)

      • I actually think “Troll 2” is genuinely hilarious and incredibly entertaining. I’m not sure how “so bad they’re good” movies fit into the whole Horror-Comedy discussion though.

        • I tend to use the term “campy” in place of cheesy most of the time. I think “Camp” is when its intentionally meant to be a little goofy in areas (IE, Batman with Adam West or Flash Gordon for extreme examples) but only really crosses into “cheesy” when it’s not really intentional. I think Lost Boys gets purposefully campy at times… The Frog Brothers and Sam, especially. Grandpa at the end- a lot of the set design. But it’s also what helps make the movie fun and sells it.

    • Red Cap Jack’s list and honorable mentions pretty much nail it, but I wanted to add one of my favorite Roger Corman movies, A Bucket of Blood (from 1959). Also, I am a big William Castle fan and most of his movies seem to occupy the horror/comedy spectrum. Add my vote for Dead Alive and Piranha. I think Return of the Living Dead would be perfect for your Zom-Com episode.

      • Yes, William Castle! His movies are very fun but I wan’t sure if they were funny enough to put on my list. They probably occupy the edge of horror-comedy. Maybe they belong in horror-fun or family-horror (13 Ghosts)? There’s a movie called Matinee (1993), directed by Joe Dante, in which John Goodman plays a William Castle-type character. I haven’t seen it yet but it’s been on my list for years.

  22. So glad you guys are finally doing this theme. I’ve been quoted in the past as saying I’m not much of a Horror Comedy fan but in truth there’s a whole bunch of movies in the sub-genre that I really enjoy. I’ve said before that I think the term Horror Comedy resonates as being so paradoxical in the subconcious that we have an inate tendency to question it and struggle with it. But removed from the context of that term many of the associated movies reveal themselves as works of genius. My top 4 would likely be as follows:

    1. Return Of The Living Dead
    2. Basket Case
    3. Night Of The Creeps
    4. The Editor (The ‘Burbs or any number of other classics might fit into this position but I felt I should have at least one film that’s not from the 80’s and what better contemporary choice is there?)

    Maybe these aren’t the funniest horror oriented films I’ve ever seen but they are the ones that encapsulate the genre of horror comedy the best.

    I have a huge amount of honourable mentions too. But I’ll maybe post those later.

      • To me there’s something about those 80’s horror comedies that’s not only funny and spooky and cool but also really held aloft by the likeable, relatable characters.

    • Excellent list, David. I wish I’d seen The Editor before 2015 was finished. It would absolutely have been high on my top 10 for the year. I mean… I don’t see why it still can’t be, right? And Night of the Creeps! Nice!

      I know Jay of the Dead generally frowns upon horror comedies. (Not certain if Dr. Shock feels this way, but I think Wolfman might) Anyway, David, your comment about the paradoxical nature of horror comedies is something I’ve been thinking about for a while. And I would say that the main reason I enjoy horror comedies is the same reason I enjoy any horror at all. It has everything to do with that whole paradoxical struggle… that peculiar internal push and pull most of us don’t likely even recognize or consider… that keeps us coming back to horror films over and over again despite the fact that none of us REALLY want to witness acts of wholesale slaughter, satanic blood rituals, or demonic hauntings (among other awful things).

      When I have more time, I plan to flesh this all out a bit more completely. But yeah, man… like you said… removed from the context of the dreaded “horror-comedy,” there definitely are works of genius to be found.

  23. Best Horror Comedy Of All-Time? Well I could go with the obvious like Gremlins or Return Of The Living Dead, but I rarely consider the obvious to be the best. I call a horror comedy great when it makes me laugh and it contains the horrific overtones I’m looking for. You’re not going to get more classic than Abbott & Costello’s horror themed stuff, but here’s my top 3…
    3. Dead Heat 1988 – yeah I’m the one guy who absolutely loves it. Williams & Piscopo chemistry is terrific because the 1980s knew how to do police partnerships better than any decade. Also the special effects were damn impressive
    2. King Of The Zombies 1941 – Mantan Moreland is a comic genius and he makes his couple of zombie films worth watching. Not only will Mantan charm the Hell out of you, but the film itself is very atmospheric in that cool creepy way
    1. Abbott And Costello Meet Frankenstein 1948 – if you know any Abbott & Costello movie, you know this one. We get Lon Chaney Jr reprising his Wolfman role, Glenn Strange reprising the Frankenstein monster role he’d been doing for a few years and most importantly Bela Lugosi finally getting another film role as his iconic Dracula. With the monsters playing it straight & Lou & Bud playing the laughs you have a horror comedy that every other one should be compared to…

  24. First off, I love the show! Wolfman Josh’s top ten list was my favorite, but Bill and Jay’s were interesting as well.

    On to my list of recommendations for horror comedy movies to review on the podcast.

    1.) Inbred from 2012

    I loved the sickness about this movie. The grotesque deaths and hillbilly humor make this a horror comedy since it is a slasher, gore, backwoods movie with comedic elements.

    2.) Dead Alive.

    Just all around amazing movie.

    3.) Fido

    Probably more suited for the Zom Com episode, but I’d love for this to be reviewed by you guys.

    4.) Idle Hands 1999

    Controversial, I know, but the death gags in this movie are great and for a high school horror movie it’s not bad.

  25. A few thoughts:
    Valencia and the Cloverfield sequel are the same movie. Valencia was the working title so as not to tip people off that they were making it much like how Cloverfield was the working title before it. This means a Cloverfield without found footage!
    31 – I hear The wouldn’t give Rob Zombie an R rating unless he cut hs wife out of it and he refuses.
    Joshua Jason Miller was more recently in the very watchable remake of The Wizard of Gore starring Kip Pardue, Bijou Phillips, Crispin Glover and Jeffery Combs.
    I once put both of my TVs side by side and played Lincoln on one and Abraham Lincoln: Vampire Hunter on the other to see which one my eyes would be drawn to more. I can’t say I’ve watched enough Lincoln to say I’ve ‘seen’ it.

    As for horror comedies, I would always suggest Murder Party, My Boyfriend’s Back, Father’s Day, Dude Bro Party Massacre and Teen Lust.

    Movies I am most looking forward to this year are:
    Green Room
    The Witch
    Der Nachtmahr
    Nina Forever
    Summer Camp
    Shrew’s Nest
    Ava’s Possessions

    • Joe mcGregor on January 18, 2016 at 8:56 am said:

      “I once put both of my TVs side by side and played Lincoln on one and Abraham Lincoln: Vampire Hunter on the other to see which one my eyes would be drawn to more. I can’t say I’ve watched enough Lincoln to say I’ve ‘seen’ it.”

      That’s amazing.

  26. I wanted to say one quick thing to you Josh about “The Witch”. You had said it had potential to be the sort of the It Follows or Babadook of this year. It is far more different, and will actually be a lot less approachable for most people than those two films.

    It’s foremost a period piece set around the same time period as something like The Crucible, but it has a really slow burn period nature to it like There Will Be Blood. Some horror purists may actual call it more of a drama, but there is definitely plenty enough horror in it for me to classify it as such. I guess the point is that, it isn’t going to be nearly as hip or successful as It Follows or the Babadook, but instead more of a cinephile movie. That’s my opinion anyway.

  27. This is tough, but probably..

    1. Young Frankenstein – The undisputed King. Because his father’s work was DOO-DOO!!

    2. American Werewolf In London – There will never be a stranger, more oddly perfect moment in any horror comedy than David on the floor about to transform and… “I didn’t mean to call you a meat loaf, Jack!”

    3. Return of The Living Dead. Bless you, Dan O’Bannon. And Grave .45

    4. Evil Dead 2. The only reason its #3 is cause its the obvious #1 choice.

    5. Creepshow. Holy shit. I watched 3 times in a row at the theater.

    6. Gremlins. ‘Cause its so damn well made. And who doesn’t get tired of thinking of Michael J. Fox as ONLY McFly?

    7. HOUSE. It was sooooooo ahead of the pack. Deserves a nom.

    8. FrankenHooker. I still look at people, fidget my face like Bugs Bunny and say, “Wanna party?! Got any money?!” And I’m a dude. And its awesome.

    9. ZOMBIELAND, Those SLO-MO credit shots + Metallica = True Love. Game over.

    10. Okay… based off the last TWO stories, (the George Miller segment and the Joe Dante segment). I’m calling TWILIGHT ZONE: The Movie a horror comedy. And those two segments kick ass, especially Miller’s.

    And all the honorable mentions: The Frighteners, Slither, Dead Alive, and Cabin In the Woods, Fright Night, Parents, The Burbs, Re-Animator, and Tremors. I also like the Dead Snow movies, but they really are NOT that great.

  28. Ok here’s my list…not in
    1. This Is The End
    2. Army of Darkness
    3. The Rocky Horror Picture Show
    4. National Lampoon’s Class Reunion
    Honorable Mentions
    1. The Tripper
    2. Attack of The Killer Tomatoes
    3. Behind the Mask: The Rise of Leslie Vernon
    4. Rubber
    5. Bubba Ho-Tep
    6. Club Dread
    7. Severance
    8. The People Under The Stairs
    9. Creepshow
    10. The Adams Family

    • Shannon, I wish I’d put Behind the Mask, Club Dread, and Rubber on my own list (which is floating around this thread somewhere). Great job!

    • Shannon as always, your list is killer and unconventional. Including This Is the End is a bold move. It’s almost Jay-of-the-Dead-bold. You do make up for it by including oddities like Attack of The Killer Tomatoes, Rubber, and Bubba Ho-Tep. The People Under the Stairs is genius pick. I would’ve never thought of it as a horror-comedy, but you’re right, it is pretty comedic!

  29. Since this episode goes into movies we’re looking forward to this year, there are two that I’m MOST excited for.

    THE VVITCH, which has already been mentioned and is well-known, so no more need to talk it up.

    The one I’m waiting on edge MOST for will come out around the same time as Zombie’s 31, and that movie is ***TERRIFIER*** All Hallow’s Eve’s own ART THE CLOWN in his own full length film! They’ve said it would surely get an NC-17 rating if they submitted it to the MPAA. I’m SO down with this film.

  30. Hey guys! Awesome show as always. I threw together a list of all the 2016 horror releases I could find. Here’s a link: http://letterboxd.com/jeffhammer/list/2016-horror-films/

    I’ve been pretty loose with my interpretation of horror, but Jay, you’ll have to let me know if I should add 13 Hours or not!

    I’m probably most excited for The Witch, The Bye Bye Man, A Cure for Wellness, Holidays and Nicolas Winding Refn’s The Neon Demon.

  31. Oh man, I’m missing all the good stuff. My time’s super limited this week, but as soon as I heard horror comedy, I had to make time for it. It’s one of my favorite sub-genres of horror and the reason why I like it is very simple. I think it’s just fun. I love a serious horror movie as much as the next guy. In fact, all of my top ten horror movies of all time are serious horror, but when it comes to having fun watching a movie, nothing comes even close to a horror comedy. The re-watchability is so high for me, that I find myself watching them over and over again without ever growing tired of them. I wish my explanation could be as insightful as David’s or Mister Watson’s, but in truth, I don’t think much when watching this type of movie. Not because I don’t think they’re worthy of analyzation, but because I’m having so much fun that I don’t care to. Anyway, here are my four picks and ten honorable mentions:

    Top Four Horror Comedies

    Return of the Living Dead

    Top Ten Honorable Mentions

    An American Werewolf in London
    Cabin Fever
    Cabin in the Woods
    Dead End
    Eight Legged Freaks
    Fright Night
    Shaun of the Dead
    Sleepy Hollow

    • Nice list. I like that you have Arachnophobia on there.

      I’m struggling to narrow down my list, but it always seems to start with An American Werewolf in London and Fright Night.

      At least the Wolfman gave us so many restrictions… that actually helps a bit.

      • Both An American Werewolf in London and Fright Night are way up high in my list. I just wanted to shine the light on some other favorites of mine that aren’t mentioned as often. I couldn’t bring myself to leave Tremorsor Creepshow out of my top 4 though. Gremlins was another one I really struggled with. It’s also top 4 for me, but it’s been covered before, so I had to leave it out. This sub-genre is full of gems. I don’t understand why Jay hates it so much. And no, his “contamination” of the genre argument is unfounded and misleading. I guess we’ll find out soon enough if he has a better reason for hating the cinema so much.

  32. If this has already been mentioned I apologize, but ‘Kitchen Sink’ (a movie Jay has mentioned many times) is finally coming out on DVD 2/9 under the title “Freaks of Nature.” It doesn’t look that great but I know it’s been mentioned quite a bit so thought I would throw that out there.

  33. Hey guys, good episode! As always, I am most looking forward to the indie releases rather than all the studio stuff!

    To answer a question for you Jay (not sure if it had been answered for you yet), the movie formerly titled, “The Kitchen Sink” will be released on DVD/Blu-Ray on February 9th. Not sure why it never got a run in theaters! Here is a link! Keep up the great work guys.


  34. First time going to the theater in 2016 was for The Forest. Is it worth paying to see? Ehh…


    Despite being a super natural film, I don’t feel as if The Forest can be compared to other recent supernatural films like Sinister, The Conjuring, Poltergeist remake, or seemingly every movie that Blumhouse Production gets behind. Instead, it’s a throwback of sorts to a decade+ ago. The Forest feels like an US remake of a J-Horror film that was never released. Thanks to the fact that the movie takes place in Japan, it’s easy to get into that J-Horror mood. The CGI isn’t very good, there’s a few good cliche jump scares, and most of the movie falls short of being thoroughly memorable. It’s the type of movie you watch on a Sunday and forget about it by Tuesday. I enjoyed the basic story though. The fact that the forest was filled with Yūrei that will purposely deceive you created a fun game of “IS…THIS…REAL?!” By the end of the movie, you’re not even sure what all was real and what was a delusion. I was expecting some sort of twist at the end and that’s what we got. The ending is bittersweet, although the real sadness should come from the death of a character that may have been innocent. Then again, we’re not even 100% sure if his intentions were pure or if a sinister side to him too. To some extent, that could add some replay value to The Forest. Re-watch it to try and decide if he’s to be trusted or not. With the antagonist being just this forest filled with malevolent spirits, it would be easy to make a sequel. Despite making back it’s budget in the first week, it’s small profit would lead me to believe that there won’t be a The Forest 2 though.


    Overall, The Forest is the type of movie you watch when it’s on Netflix or if you have some means to check it out for free. In my case, I received a gift card for Christmas, so I can’t feel as if I wasted any money on seeing this. If you’re someone who misses remakes of Asian horror movies, check this out. Otherwise, you’re not missing out on anything special.

    Rating: 5.5 Recommendation: Low priority rental

    • I just saw this today. Nicely reviewed, Sal.

      I’m not a fan of “is this real” in movies and The Forest relied on visions, dreams, memories, and psychic connections between twins. There were lots of jump scares that worked on me so I thought the scare factor was alright (but I was by myself in a dark theater). It takes about 15 minutes for the movie to really get going but I was expecting the worst and got something OK. Plus, I like horror in the woods/forest and there were some very beautiful nature shots.

      I’d give it a 6.

      • My big problem was the use of dream jump scares in middle of a haunted forest… Why? Just why? I mean, even if you’re going for it’s all in her head (which I’m not convinced they were anyway), why does she need to be dreaming for this to happen? It just comes off as cliche when the film sets up that this could happen as a straight up hallucination while awake.


          I didn’t see it as Sara having to be asleep and dreaming for the delusions to happen. In fact, I’d say most of the delusions she had while in the forest were when she was awake. Take for example, the cell phone pics. I believe that was a complete delusion that she saw Jess’ pictures on Adien’s phone. Same thing goes for when Sara is using some twine to mark her path and a bunch of spirits are trying to get her attention, including the scarecrow looking one that popped up behind her. When down in the…”Cave” (I have no idea what it was, but when she fell into the open pit and Aiden had to help her out), I believe most of what she saw was when she was awake. The same thing applies to Jess. I believe the reason why she was running like mad out of the forest at the end is because she saw some freaky stuff behind her as she was running.

          I imagine the dream jump scares are simply there to keep the viewer off balance. Not only are you not sure if what’s happening is really happening, but you also have to wonder if Sara’s even awake for this scare that may or may not be happening. Likewise, maybe the biggest reasons why the dreams were in the movie was to show what the Yūrei were drawing out of Sara to customize her delusions into being more personal. The dreams would show you what was still to come.

          —END OF SPOILERS—

          • Sorry that wasn’t what I was trying to say. The one time in the tent it was a dream, that one in particular bothered me. But the rest, yes, she was awake. But that’s my point, the other one also should have been while awake.

            • I can’t say I had a problem with that. At that point, Sara had only been in the forest for a relatively short amount of time and I believe it’s the first time she saw something really freaky. Once it’s revealed to be a dream, the viewer can wonder if she’s actually awake or dreaming the next time she sees something spooky. It all plays into the bigger story of a lot of craziness is going on and it’s up to the viewer to try and figure out what’s REALLY going on.

          • In the scheme of things, this is kind of a mute point I guess, our ratings are essentially the same. Dream scares are just so overused and I find it completely pointless and cliche for this film. I think there’s no chance anyone thinks anything after that is a dream.

            • I was wondering if they were going to go for some really weird ending. Something like everything we saw was a dream or delusion by Jess with Sara never coming to Japan. Likewise, for a moment I wondered if it was going to be revealed that Jess and Sara are just two personalities of the same person. Jess is the personality that got lost in the forest and Sara is the personality that took over to try to get out.

              • Spoilers for The Forest
                I thought they might be the same person at too. Maybe it’s just because they’re twins or maybe we’ve been conditioned to think that from similar movies.

                Did you guys stay through the end credits? I was wondering if there was a shot of Aiden dead in the cabin or something to wrap that up. That was perfect timing that her sister showed up right at the end of the movie. I wondered if her sister saw Sara’s ghost when she was running from her at the end. Also, what was up with the old lady in the hotel? That might have been the biggest jump scare for me. I don’t know what it had to do with the movie, though. Was she blind and her family was going to leave her in the woods like ancient Japan? Lastly, why didn’t they just stay at the camp site the next morning?!

                • I didn’t stick around to see all of the credits, but I can’t imagine there’s a stinger with Aiden. They wrapped up his character in the film and unless there’s a twist to set-up a sequel, there wouldn’t be any need to show him again.

          • I did wonder that too. I’ve heard someone make the case for that actually but the husband among other things makes that not really work.

          • As far as I’m concerned Mark, the old woman is just another weak jump scare where we have no clue why she was even in the hallway to begin with.

            • I imagine she and her granddaughter are just staying at the hotel too. For whatever reason, blind grandma went into the hallway. It’s the type of cheap scare that bares no significance to the plot, but serves the purpose of creating a scare before the movie really gets going. Same thing goes for Sara’s early nightmares before entering the forest.

              You can’t have a horror movie without a scare every X minutes.

    • Man. I saw the trailer for this and “The Boy” (the one about the doll) back to back before another movie, and I thought this looked so great and I thought The Boy looked really generic.

      Much to my surprise The Forest was rockin’ a 35 of 100 metascore and a new trailer for The Boy made it look much better. I love J horror remakes, but I have been really conflicted about seeing this in the theatre. I suppose I’ll wait until netflix and catch The Boy at the theatre instead. Thanks for posting this Sal. I didn’t read the potential spoiler section.

      • Unless you’re a really big fan of Natalie Dormer or leaves, you can just wait until The Forest pops up on Netflix or any other streaming service.

        Before The Forest, my theater played a trailer for The Boy. Seems pretty odd to be playing the trailer for it a mere few days before it opens up in theaters. I love killer doll movies and while I do have some reservations that it won’t be anything more than a rental recommendation, I’m looking forward to seeing it in the theater. Dolls kind of creep me out, so I imagine there’s going to be some good freaky moments with the doll.

        I imagine The Boy will be better than the next wide release horror movie – Pride And Prejudice And Zombies. If I could quote the great Willis Wheeler, the trailer for that looks like a hot mess.

        • I want to meet the Natalie Former and leaves fan. Ha! That would be the perfect audience.

          I saw this and really have nothing to add but I think I liked it a bit less. I would be more in the 4 out of 10 range on rating. And that final shot – Jesus! Talk about cliches I wish horror movies would stop doing. Hammer is dead on about the dream sequence as well.

          In its defense it’s now the current number one horror movie in 2016 for me. I watched The Veil the other night and it was way worse.

  35. Here are my thoughts on the topic of Horror Comedy.

    It’s important to me that I discuss an aspect of “comedy” that many people tend to ignore, especially when considering the cross-breeding of Horror and Comedy. The problem with the beginning of the conversation is that a film like Scary Movie is far too easily lumped together with films like Evil Dead 2 or Dead Alive or even Scream, when these films are as far as apart as possible from the classification. This runs deeper than merely listing “comedy” first and then horror- it’s important to recognize that “Comedy” has a couple of sub-genres and approaches, just as many and as varied as the sub-genres we find in the “horror” category and just as important to differentiate. There is a large world of differences between parody, slapstick, screwball, situational, and farce= and, depending on the approach, these differences vastly change how horror material can be approached with an eye toward comedy.

    A parody of a horror film, such as “Scary Movie”, is purely a comedy that uses some of the trappings of a horror film but only in a manner that is openly mocking, somewhat dismissive, and in no way meant to be “horrific” in any way. Slapstick will have a lot of falling down, accidental injuries, and prat-falls but it avoids any real “horror” classification when no harm is actually done. Each of the other classes are covered in similar manners- so I wanted to be very specific with how horror and comedy are able to blend, because I’m not of the opinion that a “monster” necessarily equates to a horror-comedy where-as a Monster movie can utilize elements of comedy (Transylvania 65000 vs. Monster Squad, for example).

    A real “Horror-Comedy” utilizes elements of a comedy in order to place a certain degree of humor to what is otherwise a horrifying situation- but the situation itself HAS to be horrifying. Not “scary”, in itself- because “horror” is about much more than fear. The slapstick works when we find ourselves laughing at a particularly gory moment, such as a teen tripping into a wood-chipper as he attempts to shove our protagonist in. We laugh because it follows the slapstick beat, but we’re also horrified with a little guilt because the character didn’t really deserve that fate. But he’s dead- messily and gorily so, and it’s tragic, and we laugh because of the way in which it’s presented. We look at a film like “Final Girls” and we see the elements of a parody, but again- it’s only presenting the elements of this comedic trope in order to tell a story where the characters are still in danger. We may see a few deaths as a punch-line, but the sum total of the effect is that we have more affection for the characters and their fates actually mean something when they die or suffer. As opposed to a straight up parody, such as “Scary Movie”.

    And then there’s the disarming effect of humor- where a clever line makes us laugh only to yank the bottom out from under us with a significant death scene or jump scare or some other tragic event. We’re mostly laughing a little when Hudson declares “Game over, man!” despite the fact that our protagonists are surrounded by aliens in what may most likely be a very deadly situation.

    Comedy is, essentially, a tool that should absolutely be embraced for the things that it can bring to the horror genre- it can be as necessary as a shadow, a blood pack, or monologue depending on the type of story a film maker wants to tell. The tool can be used well or it can fall flat, depending on the audience as well.

    In closing, I’d like to talk about a film that is, to me, absolutely perfect with regard to blend of horror and comedy: An American Werewolf in London. I’d like to use this as an example because it utilizes a much more rare and much more difficult comedic approach to film-making and storytelling. Specifically, this is a blend of “situational” and “screwball” comedy in order to tell a story that is ultimately tragic and horrific. David and his friend are traveling through Europe when they come upon a small tavern where the locals behave in an odd manner and both men react with wise-cracks and a little humor- watch any “buddy” picture with Bob Hope and Bing Crosby, you’ll find some parallels in the character dynamic. They’re attacked- suddenly and viciously and, for one, fatally. The other wakes up to a beautiful woman with whom he begins a quick romance (screwball) only to be warned by his “buddy” that he’s cursed to become a monster. These scenes continue the “situational” aspect with a couple of silly scenes where find ourselves laughing at a decomposing soul cursed to an eternity of suffering unless he can convince his buddy to end his own life. Hilarious, huh? But we’re usually laughing during these scenes because, heck, they’re clever and witty guys- right up until and during the moment where David meets his own victims. And all of this sets us up for a heart-wrenching tragedy.

    • Well said, redcapjack! For the past couple days, I’ve been thinking a lot about the specific elements that make a legit horror-comedy work, and part of my analysis was a breakdown of the different types or sub-genres of comedy that work in different ways with the film’s horror aspects… which is exactly what you’ve done. Great stuff! I guess I’ll start writing something else. Ha ha.

  36. My top four favorite horror comedies (excluding zombies and Evil Dead series):
    1.The Witches of Eastwick
    2. Dracula, Dead and Loving It
    3. My Name is Bruce
    4. Once Bitten
    High Spirits
    Phantom of the Paradise

    • If memory serves, I believe Dracula: Dead and Loving It was the first horror movie I had ever seen in the theater. My mom took my sister and me with another family to go see it a couple of months after my ninth birthday. My clearest memory of it is hearing my mom talk to the neighbor mother about how they didn’t think the movie was very appropriate for all of the kids and me being baffled because I enjoyed it.

      I was looking to buy a copy of it last year to see it for only a second time, but it looks like it was never released on Blu-Ray.

  37. And now for my thoughts on this weeks pick for HMP Club… the club we’re not allowed to talk about upon pain of having Dr. Shock’s DVD collection dropped on our skulls. SPLAT!!!

    The Keep

    “They were all drawn to THE KEEP!”

    Directed by Michael Mann and based on the horror novel by F. Paul Wilson, this 1983 film is a bit of an oddity from this era. We have some truly great actors and performances with Gabriel Byrne, Ian McKellan, Scott Glenn, and Jurgen Prochnow. We have some beautifully shot scenes and a couple of really eerie moments, but a really confusing narrative that never seems to address what might actually be happening within the walls of the ancient Keep in question.

    The film takes place during World War Two and a German Squad has been stationed within the walls of an Eastern European Keep where an ancient force lies buried. Some of the soldiers accidentally release the “Force” (It calls itself “Molinar”) and another ancient immortal (Glenn) senses what’s happening from half a world away. Several soldiers are killed, villagers are blamed, and the SS Officer is convinced to bring in a Jewish Professor (McKellan) to translate some words found etched into the walls.

    Okay, I found myself a little lost about halfway through this movie and kept watching with a hope that there would be answers- but most of what is happening is lost in the delivery and I had to do some research on the film’s source material to find out a few details. Molinar is not just an ancient force but a powerful Sorcerer, Scott Glenn’s character is an opposing force to Molinar and is maneuvering to stop the Sorcerer from accomplishing his task, with everyone else supposedly falling between the two powerful forces where one is good and the other is evil. I’m not going to spoil which is which- because there is a bit of a mystery involved in that bit of a detail.

    The effects are fairly top notch, but the whole film sort of unspools with a number of scenes that seem a little rushed, incomplete, or maybe edited a little badly. There’s also a heavy-synth score that virtually blares beneath some of the more dramatic moments and it can work against the tension of the scene.

    5 out of 5 and a low priority rental, though you could literally avoid this one and not lose any sleep. But it’s definitely worth watching for sci-fi/fantasy/horror fans. I loved the atmosphere built here and I enjoyed the performances, but I felt the film could have been so much better than it wound up being.

    • Recapjack says “Some of the soldiers accidentally release the “Force” (It calls itself “Molinar”)”

      Are you sure the name isn’t Molasar?

      I haven’t watched this yet, but it’s a movie I’ve been wanting to for ages. I tried watching it back on Netflix a couple of years ago, but I just couldn’t get into it. I’m a huge fan of the book and F Paul Wilson’s entire The Adversary Cycle/Repairman Jack series. I spent one year just reading the entire series and waiting for Wilson to finish writing the last of the Repairman Jack entries. The love of the series is also why I go by the name of Sal Roma.

      So as much as I really want to watch and enjoy The Keep, I’m worried I’m going to hate it. At least for now, it’s all we have for a film/television adaptation of Wilson’s work. I’m hoping to get to it within the next day or two.

      • You’re right, it was Molisar and I was tired when I first typed this up and didn’t spell check. Molisar… Molinar was someone else, I think a distant cousin once removed. =)

          • Whom so ever proves himself worthy … or, you know, can chug a beer or somethin’, will have the power of, like… well, it won’t be Thor. But it’ll be pretty dang cool, ya’ dig? Maybe y’all might be able to bench like three hunnerd pounds or some such somethin’. HEY!!! DARLA-JUNE-JOY-MARIE… what’s that power like on this here “Molinar” hammer?

      • Ah! So that’s where you’re name comes from. There’s a character in Night of the Demons named Sal Romero and I wasn’t sure if it had something to do with him. Now I know.

        • Yup. One of the main anagram aliases that Rasalom uses (Molisar happens to be one of them) is Sal Roma.

          I’d greatly recommend The Adversary Cycle/Repairman Jack book series for those who like variety. There’s horror, sci-fi, medical thriller, spy thriller, fantasy, action, adventure, ect all in the expanded series.

    • HMP Club #4
      The Keep (1983)
      There’s a mystery in the keep and the Nazis are after it. This film is adapted from a book by F. Paul Wilson. It also unfolds like a book in a slow deliberate way but unlike a book the characters don’t have much depth and the story is a little hard to follow. Maybe some explanatory scenes were left on the cutting room floor? There are some dazzling 80’s special effects, the cast is good and the sets look cool. I’d give it a 6.

      I’ve got a recommendation for the next movie as well, Pontypool (2008). It’s on netflix, I’ve never seen it, and I think it takes place on or around Valentine’s day so that’s appropriate.

        • Guys, I’ve disappointed you time and time again. I did watch Madman. I will try to post thoughts soon-ish. The Keep has been on my queue for the longest. This is a perfect excuse to just watch it instead of spending an hour browsing for “what to watch”. Pontypool is a great recommendation. I haven’t revisited it, but with the cold weather still in effect, it’s the perfect time to.

  38. Thank you for suggesting the Exploding Heads Horror Podcast, I’m really digging it. There’s nothing better than hearing people talk about horror, and that’s exactly what they do. While the format and personalities may not be as good as HMP, it’s always nice to get a different perspective. They’re also pretty funny.

  39. Hey everyone, it’s been a whole since I’ve been on the forum as I’ve only commented once before to express how ecstatic I was that there would be a Scream franchise review. I just wanted pop in and say how strange it is that I was considering writing an email to Jay of the Dead asking for advice on how to break into professional film criticism when, wouldn’t you know it, the announcement about Dr. Shock seeking writers hits my ears. I don’t mind that it’s not a paying gig, I already write analyses and criticisms for fun in my spare time. What a coincidence!

    I also wanted to comment on Wal-Mart censoring horror. I actually refuse to buy any albums from Wal-Mart as they heavily censor the music they sell. I once bought a Rob Zombie cd without a single F-bomb. It sounded ridiculous. Anyway, from what I understand Wal-Mart is a very conservative organization so I wouldn’t be surprised if they are censoring not only horror but all movies sold at their stores. I don’t mind conservatism, but once we start censoring art I get an icky feeling. I apologize for any grammatical errors, I’m on the go right now! Thanks for reading.

  40. ***Full credit goes to Juan for this***

    Juan shared a link with me a few weeks ago to a short list of anticipated 2016 horror releases. This is by no means a comprehensive list, but it does pull out what seem to be very promising upcoming titles in the genre.

    Here’s the article >> http://modernhorrors.com/2016-horror-movies/

    There are a lot of upcoming titles I’m looking forward to in 2016, but the extremely short list of those I’m most excited for include:

    The Devil’s Candy
    Lights Out
    The Conjuring 2: The Enfield Poltergeist
    The Bye Bye Man
    The VVitch

    This is just scratching the surface, though, because there’s so much planned that looks to have some potential. I’m also hoping for a US release of Magi.

    • Hey thanks! I’m still trying to catch up with the comments. You guys post so much! Ain’t nobody got time for that! But yeah, I concur, 2016 is looking pretty good.

  41. Okay, been kind of debating whether I would share this or not- This is in reference to films like “The Conjuring” and anything dealing with Amityville and some of the demonic possession stories this podcast likes to talk about. So let me set up the scenario-

    It was the mid-80’s and I was around eleven years old when we moved into an apartment where the previous tenants had been a mother and son. The son, a young adult with severe developmental problems had taken a shotgun and killed both his mother and himself in a brutal scene straight out of the horror movies. And my mother, being a superstitious woman, had the house blessed as we moved in- a fairly standard thing, really. We were fairly religious and my mom figured that was the way to go- a few months later and I come home to see a group of people at my house. They have religious paraphernalia and there’s one lady walking around the house and speaking in the little old lady voice from Poltergeist- big presentation as she speaks of dire portents and warnings. And then the men made me sit in a chair as this one lady starts reciting verses from the bible and another person is tossing water in my face and I realize- “These people are trying to exorcise me.” It was scary.

    Now, that’s not the end of the story- that’s the set up for where I’m going with my story. Come to find out that I walk and talk in my sleep- it’s something that still happens to me to this day and is something I didn’t find a treatment for until I was an adult. My mother didn’t realize that this was something that just happens and so she thought I was being possessed. She didn’t know who this “Roddy Piper” person was or why I wanted “Hulkamania to run wild on him”, but she was certain there was something very wrong. And the people who came to the house had her convinced that this was the case- especially with the lady pulling a performance straight out of a top Hollywood film. (something I pointed out that day and she went into “over the top” hysterics as a reaction, and I honestly believe she was trying to cover up that the eleven year old had SEEN the movie). It was obvious these people were shysters and they didn’t know the first thing beyond what they had seen in movies.

    As I got older I got more curious and I followed up on some of the “true” stories I’d head about. I visited Amityville. I walked around Tarrytown (Sleepy Hollow). And I looked into myths surrounding the Jersey Devil- all fun stuff. I’ve never seen anything supernatural and I’ve only once felt those “shivers” that other people talk about experiencing (On Ellis Island, oddly enough) but I’m not going to dismiss other peoples beliefs out of hand. But I honestly believe, after all the reading and all the fact checking and all the evidence that’s been compiled that the Warrens are just like those people who scared a little kid for a quick buck and a little show.

    • Wow, this would be a perfect subject for a horror comedy! So glad you shared that with us, redcapjack.

      Have you ever seen My Amityville Horror? It’s a documentary about Daniel Lutz (George and Kathy’s son) and his version of the Amityville haunting.

      • I did… I kind of liked it because it kind of exposed the BS story for what it was, but then it tried to turn it around and make claims about the kids own “supernatural” experiences. The truth was that he was an abused child of horrible mother and a monster of a stepfather and he’s a screwed up adult as a result.

          • Me too. But mine was only a simple incident that didn’t get tons of media attention- I have my own horror stories but I didn’t let them define me or beat me. Of course I have a twisted sense of humor as a result and I wind up laughing at things that most people find terrifying, but my wife just thinks that’s my coping mechanism.
            I had someone ask me to stop laughing at the Evil Dead remake because it was scaring their girlfriend. I told him I’d stop laughing if it stopped being funny.

  42. Like David, I’ve said before that I’m not a huge fan of the horror comedy genre blend. But when reflecting on this sub-genre, I’m amazed by the number of beloved movies it covers.

    Others have already touched on why it works so well, namely, its paradoxical nature. Horror and comedy fall on complete opposite ends of the emotional spectrum, as to form a sort of cinematic yin and yang. From Wikipedia:

    “…yin and yang describes how opposite or contrary forces are actually complementary, interconnected, and interdependent in the natural world, and how they give rise to each other as they interrelate to one another.”

    What this translates to, for me, is a completely fun, enjoyable movie experience; a light and accessible way to take in some horror.

    I was surprised by how difficult it was to narrow down a list to just four titles. It helped that Wolfman Josh laid out so many restrictions, and that my personal knowledge of the sub-genre is embarrassingly limited. Still, it was difficult to shave it down to just four. That said, every iteration of my list began with two movies – An American Werewolf in London (1981) and Fright Night (1985). So, here is my complete list of four…

    Top 4 Horror-Comedy Picks
    An American Werewolf in London (1981)
    Fright Night (1985)
    The Cabin in the Woods (2012)
    Trick ‘r Treat (2007)

    Honorable Mentions

    The following are movies I would have considered, but feel they fall under one of Wolfman Josh’s “restricted categories”…

    The Return of the Living Dead
    Shaun of the Dead
    Dead Alive

    Evil Dead Franchise Review
    The Evil Dead
    Evil Dead 2

    Family (or Christmas) Horror

    Comedy-Horror Picks

    As a quick closing note, I wanted to mention that I DID NOT consider Scream or Jason Lives: Friday the 13th Part VI because I do not think of them as horror-comedies, just straight horror films with funny post-modern elements. Also, I mentioned my own ignorance of the sub-genre as a limiting factor when considering my list. My short-list of highly regarded horror-comedies that I have not seen (so, could not consider), but thought worth mentioning include…

    The Final Girls
    Abbott and Costello Meet Frankenstein
    The Rocky Horror Picture Show

    • Interesting lists, Dino. I’ve never actually thought of Fright Night as a comedy (it’s my 2nd favorite horror film of all time), but I can see someone coming at it that way.

      I’ve always looked at it as an 80s Hammer Film if they had still been around.

    • As you said, Dino, there is a horror and comedy connection, especially for the audience. Whenever someone gets scared and jumps in a movie theater it’s always followed with laughter. Same thing goes for haunted houses. For some reason people have so much fun being scared and jumping that they can’t help but laugh.

      In movies, like TCM when the protagonist has been put through so much terror they may laugh nervously. Maybe the laughter is the only outlet or way to deal with the terror.

    • Good list… though I would list Abbott and Costello as pure comedy with horror elements and Rocky Horror is something else entirely. I do think Jason Lives falls into the “horror comedy” because I think post-modern meta jokes are still jokes. It’s pure “camp”, pun kind of intended… the campiness is what makes it funny.

    • Good list. I’m so glad you picked Cabin in the Woods. It grinds my gears a little whenever I hear Josh saying he didn’t think it was that great. I thought it was excellent and much more clever than Final Girls. I do think that Final Girls has a very interesting aesthetic that stands out more than anything Cabin in the Woods has to offer. I’ll also say that the emotional aspect of Final Girls is something that I wish Cabin in the Woods had. In the end though, I think Cabin in the Woods does so much for the horror genre, in particular the slasher genre. It gives meaning to all the senseless violence and nudity of those movies and it does it in an ingenious post-modern style that we hadn’t seen since Scream and haven’t seen since.

      It’s interesting that you consider Arachnophobia a comedy-horror. To me it’s first and foremost a horror movie with just enough comedic elements to bring it into the horror comedy ballpark. I have to say though, it does prey on my natural fear for spiders, so I’m definitely biased.

      • Also, Tremors, totally horror before comedy. Actually, perfectly balanced if you ask me. Everything else in everyone’s lists is either more horror or more comedy. I think Tremors is truly 50/50.

      • I may actually agree with you on Arachnophobia, but it’s been a long time since I’ve seen it and had nowhere else to put it. With Tremors, you might be right about it being a perfect balance. It’s unfair of me to put it in the same category as Ghostbusters, but I would still say it leans slightly more toward the comedy side based solely on the tone of the film.

        I still need to get around to seeing The Final Girls.

          • I’ve been thinking about going back to all caps, actually. 😉

            HTML was such an obvious solution. Don’t know why it didn’t occur to us earlier… I did try simple Markdown about a year ago and that didn’t work, which is why I never thought to try HTML.

  43. I backed the Friday 13th game on kickstarter- so so excited for it. I’ll get a ps4 copy of the game and listed in the credits. How cool is that? It’s meant to be released in October so I’m sure alot of us will be getting our hands on that.

    Your top 10 lists were great you guys but I think everyone seems to have a bit of a blind spot when it comes to ‘knock knock’. Even though I know it didn’t make your top picks it has been getting a decent amount of praise. I thoight it was entertaining in a kinda ‘so bad it’s good’ way. Mr Reeves is just unbelievably poor in this. FREE PIZZA!!

  44. Just started listening. Way behind on my podcast listening. Got promoted to 2nd mate and been very busy on the boat this trip. Can’t wait to finish this one sounds very interesting. I actually really love these kinds of episodes. I wouldn’t mind meeting Sean Cunningham and it would be nice meeting someone around my size lol I’m 5’7. As far as the video game, wasn’t sure if y’all know about this but there exists a Friday the 13th game on the Nintendo Entertainment System. Also A Nightmare on Elm Street. Spoiler alert they kind of suck but it’s interesting to play. Can’t wait to hear a a franchise review on Evil Dead. Maaaaaybe Final Destination.

  45. I don’t think this one has been mentioned, apologies if it has and I’ve missed it, but I am seriously looking forward to The Hotel With All The Gifts. A ‘zombie’ apocalypse movie based on the novel of the same name, the cause of which is (spoiler alert?) the now infamous exploding ant fungal parasite.

    The book was impossible to put down and I have high expectations of this film. Not to mention that the book is based in Hertfordshire, England, and London, in an area right on my doorstep and it accurately describes some of the local towns and landmarks. Hell, I play golf at the RAF base where the original safe zone is set.

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