Horror Movie Podcast Ep. 088: Bottom of the Bargain Bin Blind-Buy Horror Flicks, Revisiting Green Room (2016), and an Interview With Nicholas Peterson

HMP Horror Bargain BinIt’s time to dive into the bargain bin with us this week on HORROR MOVIE PODCAST, where we’re Dead Serious About Horror Movies… In Episode 088, Jay of the Dead, Dr. Shock and Wolfman Josh bring you another hodge-podged, Frankensteinian episode to discuss some of their favorite “blind buys” from gas stations and video stores around the country, often based on outlandish movie titles or cover art. Jay also takes this opportunity to float a new term that he refers to as “Basement Horror.”

Wolfman Josh also welcomes filmmaker Nicholas Peterson to the podcast to explore the evolution of a working filmmaker’s career and talk about his new animated horror short Sticky Fingers, which he is currently promoting on Kickstarter.

Finally, Jay of the Dead adds his take on Green Room (2016),  for a spoiler-filled review with the Wolfman. Josh has previously released a non-spoiler podcast review of the film with guest Kill Bill Kill in HMP Episode 81.

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I. Introduction
– Agenda for this episode
– The Orange Man (2016) – Watch it here

HMP Ep. 040: The I-80 Tapes
— Theme discussion
— Round-robin “bargain bin” and “blind buy” picks from your HMP hosts

Wolfman Josh’s Pick: THE SNOW CREATURE (1954)
Wolfman Josh = 2 ( Avoid )

Dr. Shock = 2.5 ( Avoid )

Jay of the Dead’s Pick: THE TURNPIKE KILLER (2009)
Jay of the Dead = 4.5 ( Low-priority Rental )

Wolfman Josh’s Pick: THE FORSAKEN (2001) (aka “Desert Vampires”)
Wolfman Josh = 5 ( Low-priority Rental )

Dr. Shock’s Pick: THE BABY (1973)
Dr. Shock = 6 ( Rental )

Jay of the Dead’s Pick: MOTOR HOME MASSACRE (2005)
Jay of the Dead = 5 ( Low-priority Rental )

BONUS pick: A Bothered Conscience (2006)
Dr. Shock = 4 ( Low-priority Rental )

BONUS pick: Drive-In Massacre (1977)
Jay of the Dead = 4.5 ( Low-priority Rental )

— Introducing filmmaker (and cool older brother) Nicholas Peterson
— Nick’s work in motion control (including The Ring)
— Nick’s feature film Intellectual Property (aka Dark Mind aka Red Menace)
— Making commercials and short films, including The Visitant with Doug Jones
— Kickstarting Nick’s new animated horror short, Sticky Fingers
— Let’s get Jay of the Dead in a movie against his will!

[ 1:49:11 ] IV. Non-Spoiler Preface: GREEN ROOM (2016)

[ 2:04:26 ] Spoiler-Filled Review: GREEN ROOM (2016)
Jay of the Dead = 9.5 ( Must-See / Theater / Buy it! )
Wolfman Josh = 10 ( Theater / Buy it! )

(Wolfman Josh and Kill Bill Kill’s NON-Spoiler Review of Green Room)

V. Wrap-Up / Plugs / Ending


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Nicholas Peterson’s links:
Support Nick’s Sticky Fingers Kickstarter campaign: http://kck.st/2320W4z
Behind-the-scenes of Nick’s short film The Visitanthttps://vimeo.com/109543828
Check out Nick’s hand-animated music video: https://vimeo.com/13102445
Nick’s horrific arthouse short, Drainedhttps://vimeo.com/51702114

Jay says to visit Zia Record Exchange in Las Vegas!
Jay’s favorite Zia Records location:
4225 S Eastern Ave
Las Vegas, NV 89119
Phone: (702) 735-4942

Jay of the Dead’s links:
Jay of the Dead and Horror Movie Podcast Official Twitter: @HorrorMovieCast
Jay of the Dead covers new releases in theaters on: Movie Podcast Weekly
And if you’d like to e-mail Jay of the Dead with a good Beastly Freaks recommendation: BeastlyFreaks@gmail.com

Wolfman Josh’s links:
Follow Josh on Twitter: @IcarusArts
Josh covers streaming online movies on: Movie Stream Cast
Follow MSC on Twitter: @MovieStreamCast
Like MSC on: Facebook

Dr. Shock’s links:
Dave’s daily movie review Web site: DVDInfatuation.com
Follow Dave on Twitter: @DVDinfatuation
Like Dave’s DVD Infatuation, now on: Facebook
Dr. Shock’s other horror podcast: Land of the Creeps

Dr. Walking Dead’s links:
Buy Kyle’s new book! How Zombies Conquered Popular Culture: The Multifarious Walking Dead in the 21st Century
Order Kyle’s previous books American Zombie Gothic and Triumph of The Walking Dead
Follow Kyle on Twitter: @DrWalkingDead

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144 thoughts on “Horror Movie Podcast Ep. 088: Bottom of the Bargain Bin Blind-Buy Horror Flicks, Revisiting Green Room (2016), and an Interview With Nicholas Peterson

  1. I was proud of myself for thinking of a little bit catchier title, one that features alliteration: “Bottom of the Bargain Bin Blind-Buy Horror Flicks.” Not bad. Enjoy!
    Jay of the Dead

    • P.S. Wolfman Josh thinks my title for this episode is “slightly embarrassing,” but I would argue, not half as embarrassing as the likes of “OVERSEXED RUGSUCKERS FROM MARS.” : )

        • Well, to send out to an industry professional to post on his site … this episode will be a whole group of people’s first introduction to the podcast … not worried about our regular listeners.

          • Yeah, I kind of agree with Wolfman on this one- if you hadn’t done the interview in this episode this would be a great title. But it might seem a little dismissive to use this title while also hosting an interview with an up and coming director.

            BTW: Great job on the interview!

            And I loved the episode on the whole, but saw Josh’s comment and I totally see the issue there.

  2. The only one of these movies that I’ve heard of and seen was The Forsaken. I seem to remember Fangoria Magazine covering the movie a fair bit back when it first came out and I first had a subscription to the magazine. It’s been ages since I’ve seen it, but I’ve been meaning to give it another re-watch in recent months. I remember enjoying it and thinking that at the time, it was a hidden gem for 2001/2002.

    Another movie I’ve been meaning to go back and re-watch from that time period is Route 666. It looks like the absolute worst direct-to-video crap, but like The Forsaken, I saw it as a hidden gem that I haven’t heard a single mention of since 2002-ish. It looks like you can rent the movie on Amazon for a few bucks, so that’s one I’d like to request for a future review. I suppose it can be considered a blind (Rental) buy from my past.

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  4. just saw green room at my local (single screen!) art house and it blew me away! the tension comes up early and doesn’t give in. even in the very last scene, i was waiting for something else to happen.

    (mild spoilers to follow)

    first-imogen poots was a revalation. after seeing her in ‘filth’ and various romcoms playing the long suffering girlfriend, watching her inhabit this character and this movie blew my mind. i breathed a sigh of relief when imogen poots utters her final line. finally i could breathe normally again.

    second-i wasn’t sure how i’d feel about macon blair, since he was so convincing in ‘blue ruin’, but he was also amazing!

    everone else aquitted themselves well but for me the movie turned on these two performances.

    i had two issues with the movie however. one minor and one which took me out completely. anton yelchin is a great actor but this was not his movie for me. he’s too much of a baby face to pull this off. that’s one. the other was the floorbaord issue. are they hard as a rock or easily removable? it appears they were both. that was frustrating in an otherwise taught movie.

    (controversial statement to follow)

    also, sorry to the wolf, but to me this isn’t horror. its seige and survival and perishing situation, but not horror. it was an 8/10, terrifying, gory, psychologically devastating wild ride to be sure, but for me, without the uncanny valley, its not horror. this is more like ‘deliverance’ darkness of the human soul sort of thing. sorry.

    that said, i am indebted to josh for recommending it and am ecstatic that i got to see it on the big screen!

    • wrote the above review before listening to the podcast. upon listening, i guess my last comment isn’t so controversial afterall.

      • Nah, I hope I didn’t lead you astray in my previous review. I tried to communicate in both reviews that it’s a blend of many genres. I also just don’t care about meticulously defining horror. My point was that in a world where people are calling The Sacrament and Bone Tomahawk horror movies (one person I know even called No Escape a horror film), this fits in easily. I suppose this was more in the thriller camp, just with a level of tension, ferocity and gore not seen in most thrillers. But plan on seeing it on my horror list at the end of the year. I’m embracing the “big tent” and “broad spectrum” from now on.

    • So happy you enjoyed the movie, Peter5. I hate leading people astray when I’m really pumped about a film.

      Glad you liked Imogen Poots in the film. She was great. The main thing I think of her from is still 28 Weeks Later. I haven’t seen the vast majority of her work, so I didn’t really have any preconceived notions.

      Loved Macon Blair. He’s a solid actor. I hope he has a long career after these three strong performances in Jeremy Saulnier’s films back-to-back-to-back.


      As for your criticisms, the floor thing didn’t stand out to me at the time. I’d have to focus on that. Did it get really easy to break at some point?

      I LOVED Anton Yelchin in this role. I thought his vulnerability (including his baby face) really added to his character’s arc. I didn’t feel as though his character was supposed to be macho at any point. Just a guy pushed to the brink.

    • First: Regarding the floor- the characters had to break through at least one of the beams and remove it in order to get at an angle (from underneath) to lift the remaining boards out by yanking the nails loose rather than cracking the board. It wasn’t that the floor was “hard”, so much as the goal was different… snapping a board in half as opposed to yanking them free.

      Second: This is a HORROR film.

      I’m kind of sad to see so many people trying to define “horror” as something scary or something gross or something with jumps and tension and all of that- “horror” is an overwhelming and painful feeling of fear, disgust, shock and terror. The film crosses the line of drama or suspense when it decides to show us how these characters are being mutilated. The film stomps on the idea of “survival suspense” that we might see in Deliverance when we see these kids getting chewed up and savaged by trained dogs. And this is one of the most effective horror films I’ve seen in the past two years- I am going to be hard pressed to find something better this year and it is currently at the top of the heap for me.

      • most assuredly this is among the best movies that will come our this year and it’s right at the top of the heap for me as well for a number of reasons, most of which you mentioned, redcapjack. but the fact that any of us cares enough about this movie to argue about it gives it real weight. the fact that we can debate speaks very highly.

        the flooring issue for me was that the pieces were so easily “pull-up-able” after they broke the first one. light was visible between the slats, and there had to have been something they could us to pry, thus not wasting the energy pounding. and i would buy panic as an excuse if they hadn’t been so easy to pull up later. to me they just looked like they were moving stuff out of the way. there seemed to be no weight to the slats. this is similar to the empty coffee cup phenomenon where its obvious there is nothing in the cup an actor is sipping from in character. they carry the cup wrong and it moves differently than when its got actual liquid in it. same issue with most cgi for the same reason. no weight.
        i always appreciate it when those touches are seen too.

  5. “The Baby” is one of my favorite all time horror movies! I remember watching it with my parents, on the television, when I was, about, six or seven-ish? (1975) I ALWAYS remember what a strange movie it was for my little-kid head to get around. During certain parts, my mom would cover my eyes. I’ve watched it several times since and it’s an amazing, strange, weird, exploitation B-movie.

  6. Here’s the music video from The Used that I mentioned in the Green Room review. I really don’t care for this video (though I quite like the song) but I think it’s interesting that it has got the couch imagery AND I think those scenes are actually supposed to take place in a green room. I would be surprised if this was an influence in some way.


    • This album was so high school punk emo realness for me. I always dug the strings in this. That’s awesome with the couch imagery. It probably goes without saying that you’ve probably picked out the only two instances in film where someone pops out of a couch in a green room.

      • Hahaha. I mean, yeah! and Jeremy Saulnier is a bit older than me and grew up in the legit Washington DC hardcore scene, but it’s possible that he (like me) is still familiar with bands like this that were the “shape of punk to come” when they came out. I’m just sayin’ … he could have seen this.

  7. I can’t tell you guys how happy you made me by mentioning “American Movie”. NO ONE ever knows this doc! My husband and I love it and watch it every winter. wr love Mark Borchardt! He has been doing a radio show (the name escapes me) but it’s hard to listen to. We have watched Coven a couple of times as well. Y’all just made my day!

    This was a very interesting episode! I’m going to have to check out “The Baby”…I’m very curious after hearing Doc’s review. Listening to the interview now…

  8. Loved the Green Room review. I left a super long voice mail (probably got lost in the back hole) after Sundance giving mini reviews of all horror films I saw at Sundance. I believe I saw all but 1 of them. Anyway, I really loved Green Room too. It was super brutal, and I nearly asked Jeremy Saulnier at the Q&A if he thought it was a horror film, but Josh I think you summed up very well exactly what his answer would have been. For me, it is on the fringes, but it’s definitely a film for the HMP listeners. Anyone here would love it I have no doubt. It’s basically a 9.5 or a 10 for me as well. It was the first film I saw at Sundance this year, and it was clearly one of the best.

    *************Green Room Spoilers*************

    I don’t really have anything smart here to say, but I wanted to ask if anyone else noticed that… the singer got his throat ripped out by dogs and the drummer got beaten to death with sticks (of some variety) much like he himself was a drum. Those kills happened back to back and seemed, in my opinion, to be dark dark yet subtly comedic deaths that were relevant to those character’s roles in the band.

    • Not to take away from your really cool analysis, but wasn’t the drummer stabbed, not beaten? He was the one trying to escape through the window, right?

      • Oh man, I’m really racking my brain now. I saw it back in January, so I can’t remember exactly how he tries to escape. My memory was that the drummer did manage to get outside, but then he was caught by a couple of guys who repeatedly bashed him to death with some kind of metal bars like crowbars or tire irons. I’m due for a rematch though, so I could be wrong.

        • Nice! I just caught it yesterday and I believe they used either knives or machetes. But, now that I’m thinking about it, they didn’t actually show the stabbing, just the motion of it, so it kind of looked like they were beating him. Either way, great analysis and great movie.

    • Nice.

      The effect of the chewed up throat was one of the more gruesome things I’ve seen in a movie. It literally looked like chewed up meat.

  9. Reposting my own thoughts on Green Room from my blog – MINOR SPOILERS FOLLOW –

    “Green Room”

    This is one of the most suspenseful, taut, and intense films I have seen in the past two years. Jeremy Saunier delivers one of the most realistic horror films to come down the pike and he does it without resorting to cheap scares, supernatural artifices, or a faceless killer. This is about human drama taken to an extreme- the violence is sudden and gory, the emotions are real and intense, and there’s no such thing as a one-dimensional character no matter what you may think of the players involved. This is what horror should be- it should defy the cookie cutter definitions often placed on the genre and it should terrify us. It should dig in deep and do very bad things to our brains.

    The “Ain’t Rights” are a touring punk band living out of a van as they wind up some tour dates promoting their latest vinyl album- because these are “true” punks, living the lifestyle and refusing to “sell out” with social media or downloads and being everything “punk” is supposed to be about. When their most recent gig cancels, they wind up picking up an extra gig a little out of the way in a backwoods “skinhead” bar. They’re not entirely in their element and the danger signs are all there, especially when they open up with a Dead Kennedy’s cover designed to antagonize their audience. But the band kind of wins some respect and the skinheads start moshing to the rest of their set- and the band is getting cleared out so the headliner can take the Green Room. They just forgot their cell phone, so a quick little run inside-

    And that’s when things go to hell real quickly. As witnesses to a murder scene, the band is quarantined to the Green Room once again and the Nazi’s are stuck trying to figure out the best way to get rid of them without drawing attention to the bar. Tensions escalate quickly as the band gets a certain measure of control- but they’re trapped and the Skinheads surround them and it’s only a matter of time until something gives.

    Anton Yelchin headlines the protagonists and delivers the best performance I’ve so far seen in his young career. He’s a confused young man who doesn’t know how much danger he really is in- and when blood is shed, we know that absolutely no one is safe in this film. Patrick Stewart gives a chilling performance as the leader of the Skinheads, a cool and collected businessman who seems more concerned with the dangers of a possible fire hazard than he does with the well being of any individual. He doesn’t waste time twirling a mustache in this film- everything he does has a purpose and he truly has a sense of the dangers facing him and his group.

    But truly standing out in his performance is Macon Blair. The long time Saunier collaborator delivers one of the most nuanced performances as the bar manager. He’s a man who believes in “the Cause” but experiences the conflict of his actions with his humanity. The responsibility for much of the films experiences rest on his shoulder- he makes several early calls that will ultimately lead everyone down a dark rabbit hole and he’s faced with the consequences of those calls.

    Don’t expect to feel good while watching this film- don’t expect that you will walk out of the theater cheering or high fiving one another. You’ll be stunned, horrified, a little confused, and maybe worn ragged by the experience. And that’s what a horror film is supposed to do.

    9.5 out of 10.

    • Love your review, redcapjack! I get excited about the film ll over again just reading it. It almost makes me wish I planned mine ahead of time! Almost.

      The look of the film hasn’t been discussed much (I think Kill Bill Kill and I maybe discussed it on our first review), but I think that’s another of the film’s strengths. The editing and pacing is really good too, for my tastes.

      • The look is very intense- there’s a bit of a washed out greenish tint to much of the film. It speaks to the desolation that the characters are caught in. The pacing is well timed to build on each previous moment and when things happen they occur quickly. As for the editing… well, I honestly didn’t even notice it which is always a good sign. =)

        • “there’s a bit of a washed out greenish tint to much of the film.”

          Similar to the blue oxidised hue of Blue Ruin? I love that attention to detail,

          • I think these blue and green tints are mostly prevalent in scenes where the lighting is dim. Also, the colors blue and green seemed to be oversaturated in Blue Ruin and Green Room respectively.

  10. Looks like the “Horror Shorts” episode that I mentioned here is happening sooner rather than later, so if you folks have any STRONG recommendations, let me know and we can discuss them on the show. Dave and I are going to be giving our Top 5 lists. Give us your contenders if you’re someone who is into shorts.

    • I always find it super difficult to define short films. Do one off TV shows count? Are sections of anthologies defined as short films? It’s such an odd format that doesn’t really fit into our standardised consumptive habits. The most common place to watch proper “short films” seems to specifically be short film festivals which speaks to it being a particularly esoteric medium. There’s a whole bunch of Japanese shot on-video TV series where each episode is basically just a short horror film. Would those be up for consideration?

    • And would something with a running time of just over 40 minutes be classified as a short film? If so my major recommendation would have to be Whistle and I’ll Come To You from 1968. This was a black and white BBC adaptation of a really spooky M.R. James story and it’s actually one of my all time favourite horror films. It’s not something I imagine a guy like Jay appreciating; there’s not a single kill in it, but I think Josh would potentially enjoy it and I believe Doc would really appreciate it. It’s understated and quirky with barely any dialogue (the protagonist expresses himself mainly through curmudgeonly mumbles and sighs) but it has a very unsettling atmosphere. My favourite parts are the insanely eerie shots of an ambiguous wraith-like figure gradually approaching across the beach.

      The whole things up on youtube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mYjtxHHjZ00

    • It would be super cool if you guys could watch Ryan Spindell’s “The Babysitter Murders”, but it’s still playing at festivals. Maybe you could get a screener. He’s really nice, I bet he would come on the show for an interview:

      The Babysitter Murders is actually the first piece of what is going to become an awesome anthology film called “The Mortuary Collection”

      If not, you can always check out his last short called “Bundle of Nerves”. He also has a short called “The Root of the Problem” you could look up on Vimeo.

    • I came across a short film adaptation of Stephen King’s short story “Survival Type”… it’s actually kind of horrifying and unsettled me a bit. The story has always been one of my favorites. Might be right up your alley, Josh… what with your obsession with Survivor and all that. =)

      • PS: I found it while browsing random channels on my Roku… it’s streaming on a channel called : Camp Cult Classics Film Fest: as part of a festival of films. It’s directed by Billy Hanson and stars Gideon Emery. There are a couple of shorts on there…

    • There are only a few that I can think of off the top of my head. One of which is The Netherbeast of Berm-Tech Industries, Inc., the short film that inspired Netherbeast Inc. The other one is a Christmas themed short called (IIRC) Trees. It involves Christmas trees coming to life and exacting revenge.

  11. Hi greetings from London UK, can anyone tell me if our Netflix is the same as yours across the pond? I just wanted to know as i watched a film called hush last night, it won’t win any awards but it has some good ideas and is worth a watch 6.5/10 and I know Jay likes the siege thing

    • They mention Hush briefly at the very end of the show. Apparently Stephen King was over the moon about it. It’s on Netflix here in the states as well. I’m with you Tony, I’d call it probably the same thing. Like a 6.5 or in the ball park. It’s a rental. I think Jay will like it because it has slasher and siege elements. It’s got such a strong opening… very very strong, but then it goes down hill big time. I think Sal also saw it if I remember right.

      ****Spoilers for Hush*****

      The single best thing about Hush is that first kill of the neighbor girl. That kill is super brutal and really unsettling. After watching a lot of classic slashers and other serial killer films, this kill still really got under my skin. It had a bit of a psycho sexual feel to it where he was…. and sorry this is super gross… raping her to death. It’s a very visceral moment, and I got excited for where it would go next. I only wish the rest of the film could have maintained it.

      This movie suffered from a lame protagonist who made a lot of stupid decisions. After watching 10 Cloverfield Lane where you have a brilliant protagonist who makes smart survival decisions, it’s hard to regress back to something like this where you’re yelling at the screen every time the character makes a dumb decision.

      The other strength of this film was the sound design. Vegetable chopping never sounded so crisp haha. Those opening scenes where we learn she is deaf without it even being told directly to us is brilliantly done. It’s a great use to sound design to do storytelling.

      The other weakness of this film is the age old mistake of unmasking your killer too early. I get what they were going for, but he immediately became about 100 times less frightening when they ditched the mask and let him start talking. Boo

      I adore Stephen King, but I suspect that his glowing praise for this film might center around the protagonist being a writer. He really goes for that… haha.

      ****End of spoilers***

      Regardless, HMP hosts, Hush is worth a review. It’s certainly worth talking about, and I think because of its slasher siege elements it could really appeal to a slasher fan’s horror sensibilities. For me, it’s just okay.

      • Totally with u on the mask bit, like u say it was part of the story as she hadn’t seen his face, didn’t know about Steven king , interesting

      • The mask coming off was dissapointing mainly because it was a killer mask. It kind of reminded me of the end of ‘House on Sorority Row’ where that great jester costume comes into play and you’re like where the hell was that this whole time?

        I think I liked it a little more than you guys but I find it hard to disagree with anything you are saying. I do think it still had some very tense and well executed scenes later in the film. The scene where the killer pretends to be a cop is pretty great; however, why our protagonist would cause her friend to lose focus was maddening; she essentially gets him killed.

  12. Guys, what an excellent episode. This has got to be top five Frankensteinian episodes for me. I absolutely loved it. Jay nailed my feelings towards these type of movies that you reviewed here. They may not be (are not) capable horror movies, but they have a lot of heart, and that weights heavily in my enjoyment of not only horror movies, but movies in general.

    I love that you picked up Alucarda, Josh. It’s one of my favorite hidden gems in the horror genre. I need to go back to listen to HMP’s coverage of that. That was a great episode and an especially memorable one for me because I listened to it while driving to Dallas for Texas Frightmare Weekend, which was my first ever horror convention.

    • By the way, I LOVED Nicholas Peterson. His interview was a lot of fun and his energy was so exciting! He’s someone I would love to have back on the show. I’m not sure if he has time to podcast, but I would love him as a guest.

  13. Hello HMP,

    What a great show and I had a great time listening to it on the way home!! I loved all the titles that you gave and have not heard of many of them but enjoyed the comments and suggestions for them. I would like to include two more:

    1) Monster in the Closet- The reason I picked this up because I saw that it had a young Paul Walker in it and I was very curious to see that also it has one of the worst looking Monsters in Cinema History. I give it a 4 and to avoid it but if your curious watch at your own risk.

    2) This one is for the Wolfman Josh and I was very curious to know if you have seen “Full Moon High” It stars a young a Adam Arkin who on a trip to Transylvania with his Dad gets bitten by a werwolf and returns home only to find out he can’t function and runs away. Later on he regrets this and returns to his old high school 20 years later to play in the big game! The movie is dumb and not very funny at all. The only bright spot to me was Alan Arkin who comes towards the end of the movie but with his quick one liners and funny statements makes it almost watchable! I give it a 4 and to avoid. However Josh it is a Wolf movie so you may want to catch it.

    As for Hush I did watch it last night, I was not to impressed and give it a 6.5 it seemed like any other Home Invasion movie like Funny Games, The Strangers, and the Purge all which were so much better! There was nothing really new and very predictable however I did like the music at the end!~

    Thanks and look forward to your next podcast!

    Mario (LOON) Leon

  14. Ha awesome!!! Just listened to HMP episode 28, and Dr. Shock had mentioned “The Baby” previously. Called it a cinematic oddity. Guess I should check it out.

    btw… Dr. Shock, where can I find those E-Books of yours?

    Here’s that awesome trailer for “The Baby”:

    • YASSS!!! That looks awesome. Josh, I think you’re making a mistake skipping this one. It’s at the top of my queue now.

  15. haha, the entire “The Snow Creature” (1954) is available on youtube. Josh’s 2 rating got me curious. It’s funny, I scrubbed to a random point and I saw exactly what Josh was talking about with the repetitious story telling.

  16. I agree with most of the thoughts on HUSH here. It is definitely a well made film and it would be cool to hear the HMP guys discuss it

    But it really isn’t anything special and it makes me wonder what all the fuss is about – is it maybe more to do with how it’s made specially for NETFLIX so therefore a lot more publicity has been put behind it and more people are seeing/reviewing it. A lot of the media I’ve seen, The Guardian in the UK for example, wouldn’t normally champion horror films but have given this a a pretty glowing feature review. It is an above average Horror film but because more outlets are seeing it they seem to feel like they have stumbled across a Jem

    • Hence the 6.5, I hadn’t realised it was metioned on hmp at the end as I was still listening to it, as I said I only brought it up because I wondered if the UK Netflix is the same as the us. As I can’t get Salem wich I have heard metioned on here .

      • no I agree – 6 or 6.5 would be about right. It just does seem odd that it has received so much press/praise from the wider audiences

  17. I actually checked out the Sticky Fingers kickstarter and I really liked the hand drawn look of the animation. I didn’t see a “Jay of the Dead” option listed in the rewards. Is this something that is guaranteed to happen? Either way, I’m backing up the project, but it would make me much happier knowing that Jay will be in the film against his will, hopefully pulling off his ninja moves.

  18. After letting Green Room marinate for 10 days or so now, I’ll have to raise it to a 9/10. I still prefer Blue Ruin to it.

    The few issues I had with Green Room are the following:

    Would they really go to a place like that, so remotely located & completely out of their element?
    Why would they play that first song knowing it would fill the room with endless anger, putting their exit in danger?
    Forgetting the phone in the green room was a weak setup.
    The gun exchange didn’t make much sense to me with the guy watching the door.
    I believe on Movie Podcast Weekly they discussed how the basement could’ve been better utilized. I completely agree. Go explore “Goonies” style, knowing what supplies you’ll definitely need.

    Overall a fantastic film.

    You know what I absolutely love about this episode????

    It’s the extended version of Jay & Doc discussing Jan-Gel. Doc bought the film live on an episode, & I feel these blind buy reviews are an extended account of that.

    This will go down as one the best shows you guys have produced.

    Thanks for all the hard work that goes into it.

    • I have a few responses to the issues you mentioned:

      “Would they really go to a place like that, so remotely located & completely out of their element?”

      This is a sensible question; they probably weren’t using their best judgment by going there. But they’re a fledgling band with no money and no prospects, living from gig to gig, so I think it’s a reasonable conceit.

      “Why would they play that first song knowing it would fill the room with endless anger, putting their exit in danger?”

      I think that was their way of distancing themselves from that scene. They didn’t want to be there and certainly didn’t agree with their “life views,” and this was their way of showing their disapproval. Of course, after the song, the lead singer said “that was a cover,” symbolically taking away some of that edge. HOWEVER, it’s important to note that their playing of that first song actually had no bearing on their ultimate conundrum, so it’s inconsequential to their exit.

      “Forgetting the phone in the green room was a weak setup.”

      It was and it wasn’t, imo. They didn’t actually forget the phone in the green room. Remember, the bar’s staff moved their gear out of the green room into the hallway (fire hazard!) to “make space” for the headliners. So, to me, that’s not really the same thing as forgetting the phone.

      “The gun exchange didn’t make much sense to me with the guy watching the door.”

      Yeah, I’m with you on this one. But I think that’s part of what’s so great about this movie and Blue Ruin – these are just normal people put in extraordinary circumstances. Mistakes are often made.

      “I believe on Movie Podcast Weekly they discussed how the basement could’ve been better utilized. I completely agree. Go explore “Goonies” style, knowing what supplies you’ll definitely need.”

      This treads into subjective territory. I think it’s worth considering, though, that if there was more to the basement then it likely would have changed the dynamic of the film and weakened the effect from the closed-off, trapped in a single-location setting. For me, the fact that they found this possible way out, only to learn that it lead to nothing and gave them nothing, further adds to that dreadful feeling of hopelessness.

  19. Also, those Big Boxes of Horror you see for like $5 at Kmart and Big Lots have some absolutely DEPLORABLE excuses for films. There’s one about vampires I wish I could remember the name, and honestly it’s one of the worst movies i have ever seen lol

  20. Green Room is my #1 horror film (I come down on the “it’s horror” side of the debate, though not strongly opinionated on it) of the year and my #2 overall (Cap: Civil War beat it out). I give it a 10 for sure. Blue Ruin is a favorite also, and I am going to seek out Murder Party asap.

    Sadly, “The Darkness” is both my worst horror film and worst film overall so far of 2016. Granted, I haven’t seen “Fifty Shades of Black”, which probably will hold that overall title come January.

    I’m looking ahead to The Conjuring 2 with eager anticipation (along with the next episode of HMP)

    • Oh no! I was going to check out The Darkness this weekend. Without spoiling the film, could you go over why it’s so bad? Is Kevin Bacon good in it at least?

      • – It steals so many story beats from Poltergeist.

        – The characters are unlikable.

        – Characters are set up and then never shown again. Especially “Jenny” I cant say more than that without spoiling.

        – Bacon and Mitchell keep making the same mistakes over and over in the film. e.g., telling their autistic son to stay put, and he runs off almost immediately. Happens 3 times in the movie to the point that audience laughed when Mitchell says “stay here, I’ll be right back.” He leaves immediately.

        – It’s boring

        I don’t know why Bacon took this movie, except it truly felt like there were missing scenes at points, so the script might have been better than the finished product. The idea itself wasn’t bad, but the execution was super sloppy. 3/10 for me.

        • I appreciate the reply, Jody B. I might skip it, but we’ll see how I feel when the time comes to going to the movies.

          • So I went to see The Darkness with a friend and boy did it suck! I would say this movie has potential, but in all honesty, nothing short of a re-write could’ve helped it. It’s a hot, boring mess. Easily the worst horror movie I’ve seen this year. 3/10. Avoid.

          • I did like the element of the curandera (healer). It’s such a cool subculture that I think has yet to be explored in horror.

  21. That’s unfortunate about The Darkness. I really enjoy both Wolf Creek films & Rogue.

    Thanks for the review, Jody. However, I’ve got 9:10 AM date with the film tomorrow. Still have to witness it for myself.

    The trailer never worked for me. Have to support horror, regardless of public opinion.

    Though not horror AT ALL, the best film of the year so far is Sing Street to me. Please seek it out if it is playing in your area. You will not be disappointed.

    Cannot wait to see Green Room again.

  22. hey wolfman, i went on youtube to find” The vistant”, the short film, couldnt find it but i did find the visitant a film from 2014 directed by jon binkowski. well i thought i would give it go, and i pleasantly surprised , michele sims the main star does a cool enough job,some creepy scenes thrown in, and there is a bit with Gort the robot from the day the earth stood still, which is great.
    There is nothing new here and theres no gore but i found myself wanting to see where it would go, theres is a twist that i wont say here but 4.5/10 rent it ive watched worse.
    p.s. wolfman im sure the babadook was taken from a short story called monster.
    Watched drained, bit too arty for me but i could appreciate the story and how well it was filmed.
    Lastly i seem to remember watching blue ruin a couple of years ago, but reading and hearing everyone speak so highly of it i must revisit because i didnt rate it that much.

    • I guess Nick Peterson’s The Visitant was scooped-up to be part of an upcoming anthology film.

      I’m checking out “Monster” right away.

      And, yes, Drained is a somewhat unpleasant watch. Very artsy. But so well done. Certainly not for everyone.

      Curious to hear about your revisit of Blue Ruin. I think it was Jay’s number one film of the year, cross genres.

    • Did you see these links I put in the show notes?

      Nicholas Peterson’s links:

      Support Nick’s Sticky Fingers Kickstarter campaign: http://kck.st/2320W4z

      Check out Nick’s hand-animated music video:

      Nick’s horrific arthouse short, Drained:

      Behind-the-scenes of Nick’s short film The Visitant:

      • Thanks wolfman, that was an intense 7 mins, the monster is fantastic, I can see babadook in the mental side of the mum. I’m now going to revisit that now lol,
        Spoiler maybe
        I don’t know if it was just me but I thought the mother smothers the son at the end of babadook. As I said must check again.
        Watched The dorm on Netflix last night 3/10 avoid.

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  24. I have watched quite a few blind buy films that turned out to be better than expected or worse than could be imagined. Just this last week I picked up Blood Sombrero after seeing it listed on The Digital Bits coming attractions page. I followed their link to Amazon where I saw the film had 6 reviews, all 5 stars. I decided to check out IMDb and found it with a 6.9 rating and a description that sounded amazing. That weekend I was in Wal-Mart and found it for $10. Needless to say I picked it up.

    I would love to tell you that this was a whacked out over the top action horror picture, but that would be a total lie. This was one of the worst acted films I have ever seen. The fighting in particular is bad, looking like the initial blocking that most films use to plan out a fight rather than the actual fight itself. It is only 88 minutes long and I had to break it up into three viewings to finish it because it kept putting me to sleep.

    Another equally odd blind buy was Final Flesh about a family preparing for an atomic bombing about to take place in their hometown. The movie was made by Vernon Chatman of Wonder Showzen and The Heart She Hollers fame, and it is easily as strange as either of those two projects. It’s not a true horror film per se, but there are some sequences that people might find disturbing. Others may just feel that the film itself is a true horror. It is the only DVD I have ever purchased that came packed with its own package of hand sanitizer.

    One blind buy I was extremely pleased with was my original purchase of Ichi the Killer from Takashi Miike. This was my first exposure to Miike, and I loved it. Found it very cheaply priced on eBay with an interesting description and decided to give it a shot. Not sure I would classify it as horror, but if No Escape can be called horror then surely a film about a guy with razors in his shoes and another one that can take a man’s fist into his mouth by removing a couple of safety pins from his cheeks can be considered to have horror elements.

  25. Just wanted to quickly voice my support of a little film called “They Look Like People” from 2015. It’s smart little paranoid indie drama horror film. The plot is quite simple, and it has a low budget feel, but overall it’s quite charming. I liked the characters a lot, and there are a couple really intense moments. I recommend it if you want a low key indie horror flick.

    Available on Netflix streaming right now. 7.5/10

    • I watched it last night and was pretty impressed. It’s worth mentioning that some people wouldn’t consider it horror just to set expectations to fair levels.

      Due to the nature of the topic, it was scarier than most recent horror films. The final scene was highly emotional and tense. I would have liked to have a bit more explanations for the happenings in Christian’s life. However, all of those uncertainties were minor sub points and didn’t actually play a role in the main plot. I wouldn’t mind seeing an alternative take on the movie so that the same story has one version that is over the top and delivers the horror and the other is more low key and realistic.

      Still, it’s well worth the watch on Netflix. I’d rate it 8/10.

  26. With Friday the 13th being a few days ago, it got me wondering. Is Friday the 13th the most debatable horror series in terms of what is the best film?

    • It’s definitely one of the more debatable ones due to changes in tone and direction and plot.

      I treat it like two trilogies and a prequel film. You have your non-zombie Jason trilogy (2, 3, 4) and your zombie Jason trilogy (6, 7, 8) with part one serving as a prequel film. I ignore everything else, as far as “canon” goes.

      Others do a Tommy Jarvis trilogy (4, 5, 6). You can do so much with it really.

      For me, the definitive films are 1 and 6. 1 being the “best” film, and 6 being the “favorite”. Freddy vs. Jason as the guilty pleasure.

      I’m looking forward to listening to the HMP series retrospective on F13. I’ve listened to all the others, and I’ve been saving F13 for a June work trip.

  27. Saw Green Room for the third time this afternoon. I’m all in on this film. Blue Ruin was an immediate masterpiece upon a first viewing. Jeremy Saulnier’s follow-up took a bit more time for my tastes to respond. I haven’t seen a film three times in the theatre since probably Revenge of the Sith (laugh it up, fuzzballs). This movie is my current drug addiction. Gradually I’ll wean off of it UNTIL that blu-ray lands in July. Simply put, it’s a 10/10 & overtakes Blue Ruin in his filmography.

    I’ve seen forty seven films at the theatre this year, & only Sing Street can narrowly top Green Room.

    Can I digress??

    Prior to visiting this site, I would have never allowed myself to give any type of new film a 9 or 10 rating. We live in a world with Psycho, Texas Chainsaw Massacre, Rosemary’s Baby, & The Room (kidding). If those films exist, how could I rate my number one movie of last year, The Treatment, a 10/10? If it was only viewed once or twice, with no time to sink in & age, then it would take years to even be considered that high of a rating. My point is that I have learned to rate/review films based on that movie alone from HMP. I’m not taking into consideration that other full blown masterpieces exist out there, like Paranormal Activity: The Marked Ones (kidding, Jay).

    Maybe someone can respond to that. Is that how this community rates? Just curious. Hopefully that didn’t add weight to any eyelids out there, boring you to sleep.

    • Jason Dragon,

      This is a conversation I’ve been wanting to have with fellow horror fans for quite some time, and I’m so glad you brought this up!

      When it comes to people not rating newer horror movies highly, I notice a lot of people say that the reason is because they need time to let films sink in. Or they say that there just aren’t great newer films being made anymore… which is BS.

      Personally, when I rate films… it’s PURELY on my own personal enjoyment and/or emotional reaction. I don’t care how old or new a film is, how much or little hype there is surrounding the film, or even how widely accepted the film is in the horror community. I have no problem saying I don’t enjoy certain “classics.” And I have no problem embracing them with everyone else.

      Let me give an example of what I mean…

      No horror movie I’ve ever seen has made me have a stronger emotional reaction than THE ORPHANAGE (2007), so it’s in my Top 10 now. The film IS 9 years old now, yeah, so it’s had time to work on the horror community, but I knew it was in my Top 10 the first time I watched it back then. I didn’t need any time. It currently sits at number 4 on my Top 10… right under HALLOWEEN (1978). My numbers 1 and 2 on my Top 10 are from 2007 and 2012, respectively, so there ya go.

      But yeah… if we’re talking about a film’s longevity as the deciding factor for acceptance of high praise or inclusion on a Top 10 list… well, man… sometimes time can work against films. SCREAM (1996) used to be my number 3 on my Top 10, and even though I adore the living hell out of that film, there are so many plot holes and inconsistencies that it has gotten quite the demotion lately. I was raised on 80s slashers, and honestly none of those are on my Top 10. Top 30, sure… but only just barely.

      All I’m saying, though, is that the length of time a film has been out is not as important as how much it resonates with the viewer. That’s how I rate, anyway.

      We can’t all have cookie-cutter Top 10 lists that have all the same go-to classics on there… no matter how great some of those films are. Or are not. Jason Dragon, I don’t know if you’re considering putting GREEN ROOM on your top 10 of all time, but if you are, I say, “Hell yeah! Do it!”

      Many of the movies out right now are going to be the classic horror films on everybody’s lists in 20 years. So, that’s encouraging.

      Wow. I wrote a novel here.

      See ya,
      Mister Watson

      PS: When it comes to rating movies, an important factor is age. The movies that are out during a person’s formative movie watching years seem to mark them the deepest. This is why I can never take SCREAM off my Top 10 no matter how much those plot holes kill me. Ha ha. Good topic, Jason Dragon!

      • Guys! I posted the exact same question on episode 7 back in January 20, 2014, but the community back then was a far cry to what it is now so I never got a reply haha. Here is my original post:

        What do you guys think of lists that are packed with “classics” and completely devoid of modern horror? I love the classics just as much as the next guy, but sometimes it feels like certain movies have a monopoly on lists just because of their “classic” status. It’s like if I don’t have The Texas Chainsaw Massacre on my top five, I’m not a true horror fan. Now, I’m not saying that Texas Chainsaw is overrated or that it doesn’t deserve to be on anyone’s lists, but I wonder if there are modern horror movies that could make people’s lists that get ignored because they’re new. How long did it take today’s classics to become classics anyway? Were movies like Halloween and The Shining instant classics the day they came out? How much time needs to pass for people to acknowledge a modern horror movie as a worthy candidate for a top list? Or is modern horror really not that good? I’d like to see people’s lists of modern horror that they think will become (or maybe already have become) classics.

        And to be clear, and if memory serves me right, the movies I had in mind at the time that I thought were worthy of being in the top ten are: The Ring, 28 Days Later, Let the Right One In.

        • I don’t disagree with anything you guys are saying. There are plenty of modern films that I love – The Ring is a great example of one that would be at least pretty close to my Top Ten.

          My personal Top Ten doesn’t have anything past the 80’s on it, but by no means am I saying that anything from 1990 on isn’t good. I always hate the throwaways like ‘They don’t make them like they use to’ or ‘Everything in the past ? years is crap.’ It’s like those people that say Saturday Night Live hasn’t been funny in years but yet they haven’t watched it in years.

          To each their own. I know a lot of people threw ‘It Follows’ on their personal Top Ten after that came out last year (Dino, didn’t you?) and all power to you if that’s how you feel.

          I haven’t had a chance to see ‘The Green Room’ or much of anything in the past few weeks; in the middle of buying a new house and moving, etc. But I’m really looking forward to it. It sucks to not be able to dive in to some of your comments and get in on the discussion. Glad to see such a unanimous love for this film.

          • Haha I’ve actually called myself out on this very thing. I think for me, when I first started posting, it was 100% about horror. For further proof of this, go back and read the exchanges I used to have with David. It’s really great stuff if I do say so myself, although mostly thanks to David’s counter arguments of course. As time passed, and as I became more acquainted with regulars like yourself, I became more interested in bonding with you guys (i.e. building blocks). It’s not that my interest in horror or this podcast has waned, it’s that I enjoy more sitting back and reading people’s thoughts. Don’t get me wrong though, I will engage if topic is seductive enough.


        • My top ten has nothing to do with whether it’s classic or modern…although, a lot of them do tend to be classic. If it’s worthy, age of the flick makes no difference to me!

        • Juan, I wish I’d been around HMP when you posted this! For the record, I think I have more modern horror on my Top 10 than anything.

          Jonathan, I love the points you’re making, man. That SNL analogy is perfect. And I’m tellin’ you… I love those 80s slashers, but my Top 10 doesn’t. Ha ha.

    • Jason – I’m jealous that you’ve been to see Green Room three times already. I’ve only had the “pleasure” once. Definitely at the top of my 2016 list so far.

      As far as ratings are concerned, I have a tendency to overrate films immediately after I see them – I guess I’m still in that after-movie-glow. However, sometimes my appreciation for a film increases over time – I notice this with strong films that might not have initially given me what I was expecting/hoping for. So, my initial ratings tend to be different from the rating I eventually settle on.

      The way I see it, all of this is fluid. We change as people as time goes on, so it would make sense that our opinions of movies would also change somewhat.

      • Well said, Dino. I loved your Top 10 list you posted a while back. I don’t like to talk much about it on podcast forums, but I’m starting my own podcast, and on episode 2, I give my Top 30 favorite horror movies, among other psycho-babble stuff. I think I’ll go post what I have over there in a few…

        But you’re ABSOLUTELY right about fluidity. In my Top 30 list, for instance, I feel like 25 of those 30 are fairly interchangeable. Only the top 5 are solid… for now.

  28. Thanks for responding, HMP listeners. Love what Mr. Watson had to say.

    I’m glad you brought it up in a previous episode, Juan. I’ve got to give you credit. Unfortunately to me, the HMP world was nonexistent at that time. It’s a thought process that has really been brewing in my mind since I sent Jay my top ten list from last year.

    I’m just going to come out & say it: criss-cross applesauce, Green Room is in my all time top ten horror film list. Thank you for the free therapy, Mister Watson. I feel so much better now. Heck, maybe I’ll be able to cope with my Corey Haim & Corey Feldman obsession now. Just kidding….or am I????

    • This is such a terrific discussion! Jason Dragon, I’m glad I could offer any therapy at all, my friend. I live right next to the university where I’m trying to get my Masters in psychology, so…

      But, my dude, I’m delighted that you put GREEN ROOM on your top 10. I wasn’t an HMP-listener when Juan posted his similar comment on this subject, but that was awesome, and I’m glad people are thinking these things! I feel like if I watch THE VVITCH just one more time, it will make my top 15 easy… maybe even Top 10. I feel like WE ARE STILL HERE could make my Top 30.

      Jason Dragon, what does your Top 10 look like?

  29. Just out of curiosity, Mister Watson, what films from 2007 & 2012 make up the #1 & #2 spots?

    Can everyone here easily name their ten favorite horror films of all time?

    I’ve never made the list. I’m pretty confident what sits at #1, though.

    Never took the time to really think about the other nine.

  30. Wow, thanks, Allison.

    Love that Black Christmas is on there. Definitely in my top ten.

    Appreciate the fast response.

  31. I know I’m a bit late but just watched the gallows, oh dear, awful movie,gives found footage a bad name , Blumhouse should hang there heads in shame, I agree with jay who spoke about it in the Blumhouse episode, there is nothing to it, it is a very weak story, 3/10 avoid

  32. I FINALLY got around to listening to this episode (and episode 89) today. I say it every time, but you guys knocked it out of the park. There are gas stations in my area who have some HORRIBLE bargain bin selections, and I rarely have the guts to check them out. Wolfman and I are 100% similar in that I, too, don’t like to get schlocky with my film selection, but sometimes, I guess you’ve just gotta get down and do it. SNOW CREATURE sounds awful. I could bring myself to MAYBE check out THE BABY. Doc Shock made it sound too compelling for me to forget about it.

    Also, Nicholas seemed great. Awesome interviewing, Wolfman.

    PS: Does anyone else here agree that Jay has one of the most soothing voices on the planet? I’ve just changed jobs, so I now have more time to listen to podcasts, but before that, I’ve been mainly having to listen to my favorite shows late at night with headphones in bed. That said, Jay’s voice makes me warm and fuzzy.

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