Horror Movie Podcast Ep. 090: The Darkness (2016) and Hidden (2015) and the Movies of Jean Rollin

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Hi, and welcome to Episode 090 of HORROR MOVIE PODCAST, where we’re Dead Serious About Horror Movies… In this Frankensteinian episode, you’ll hear Jay of the Dead and Dr. Shock bring you reviews of Redbox-caliber, black goop, Blumhouse, PG-13 horror movies like The Darkness (2016), as well as genuinely interesting films such as the “Infected sub-genre” horror flick, Hidden (2015).

Dr. Shock brings you a nice primer on the movies of Jean Rollin by reviewing The Iron Rose (1973) and The Demoniacs (1974) and Fascination (1979) and The Living Dead Girl (1982). Wolfman Josh is not present for this episode, perhaps because it wasn’t a full moon. But Doc and Jay bring you enough interesting tidbits that we think you’ll find this episode entertaining. Thanks for listening!

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I. Introduction and Jay of the Dead’s Stream of Consciousness
— Where is Wolfman Josh?
— Jay’s appreciation of HMP Ep. 089
— June 6: Happy Convoy Day / Giacomo Day
— Mike Flanagan may direct the Blumhouse “Halloween” remake
— JAWS “Dive-in” movie in Lindon, Utah
— “Extreme Basement Horror Watching”
— At Your Mercy: Your Library’s Horror Picks… (Send ’em: HorrorMoviePodcast@gmail.com)
Rose Marie’s Creepy Recurring Photo
— Jay recommends LORE Podcast.com
Alice, Sweet Alice (2016) remake

[ 0:43:17 ] II. Dr. Shock explores The Movies of Jean Rollin

[ 0:43:17 ] The Iron Rose (1973)
Dr. Shock = 6 ( Rental )

[ 0:54:00 ] The Demoniacs (1974)
Dr. Shock = 6.5 ( Rental )

[ 1:00:41 ] Fascination (1979)
Dr. Shock = 6 ( Rental )

[ 1:06:58 ] The Living Dead Girl (1982)
Dr. Shock = 7.5 ( Priority Rental )

[ 1:18:03 ] III. Feature Review: THE DARKNESS (2016)
Jay of the Dead = 4 ( Avoid )

[ 1:33:06 ] IV. Feature Review: HIDDEN (2015)
Jay of the Dead = 7.5 ( Strong Rental )

[ 1:46:55 ] V. Mini Review and Listener Feedback

Mini Review: The Ones Below (2016)Not a horror movie.
Jay of the Dead = 5.5 ( Rental )

Listener Feedback E-mails:
-E-mail from Jon G.
-E-mail from Bonnie B.

Highly recommended podcast listening:

Horror Palace Specials Ep. 001: Monumental 12-Way Background Into Horror
– Click on the link.
– Scroll down to “Horror Palace Specials.”
– Download Episode 001.

Planet Macabre Ep. 001: Introduction And Favorite Host Picks
– Click on the link.
– Scroll down to “Planet Macabre.”
– Download Episode 001.

HMP Ep. 001: The Horror Genre and Top 10 Favorites

— Speaking of Horror Palace… an update on The Cutting Room Movie Podcast R.I.P.

VI. Wrap-Up / Plugs / Ending
— Thanks to our donors and supporters of HMP and MPW:
Scott C. who generously donated to Horror Movie Podcast
Lance from Provo
Eric E.
Joshua G.
Patrick H.
Mario L.
Shannon N.
Amos P.
Hans S. from Sweden!
Adam M.

— Horror Movie Podcast and Movie Podcast Network Meet-Up in September 2016? UPDATE: How does the weekend of Sept. 26 look for everyone? In Indiana, about 100 miles from Chicago.

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Dr. Shock also appears on this horror podcast: Land of the Creeps

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87 thoughts on “Horror Movie Podcast Ep. 090: The Darkness (2016) and Hidden (2015) and the Movies of Jean Rollin

  1. I always love coming to the show as a listener. You guys did a great job, as expected. It goes to further my point that although I’d always choose the “Dream Team” of Jay, Josh, Dave and Kyle … any configuration of us can still make for a decent show. Seriously great work, guys.

    • I haven’t had a chance to listen to the episode yet, but I’ve been listening long enough to know that the comment above is very true. Every host has something great and something different to bring to the table. The best possible scenario is to have all four hosts together, like Voltron, but even one or two of you are missing, we still get two badass tiger robots and that’s not bad at all!

  2. Having said that ^ I do wish I’d been there for the Halloween news because I feel like a potential anti-Blumhouse bias may have colored what should have been incredibly happy event.


    Dimension, the people who gave us some of the worst Halloween with The Curse of Michael Myers, eventually correct their path and revitalize the slasher sub-genre with Scream and the Halloween franchise with H20. They also bring a visionary like Rob Zombie in to reboot the franchise with great success.

    But, when Zombie’s second film goes off the rails and nobody is happy, when Zombie is done telling other people’s stories, it makes sense that they struggled with a follow-up. Perhaps they thought the failure of Zombie’s second film left audiences lukewarm on the franchise. You can say it was dumb of them to let their rights lapse, but as a Halloween fan, I’m thankful that they didn’t just make a crappy movie. To me, that shows that they cared. To me, that shows that wanted to do it the right way. BTW, Halloween can be done wrong. Just go back and listen to our franchise review.

    So, what does Dimension do? They co-Produce the film with Horror’s new cool kids, Blumhouse. They get some fresh perspective. They get some energy and momentum behind the project.

    Now Blumhouse comes out swinging and does what Dimension never could, which is entice John Carpenter to be a part of the franchise once again! That’s incredible! That’s what the fans want! And that shows us, right out of the gate, that Blumhouse cares and is doing this the right way.

    You’ve made a lot of the fact that Jason Blum isn’t necessarily a horror fan, but what has been underreported is that he has surrounded himself with hardcore horror fans. The people that he has in acquisitions, the people on his development team–even the people that run his blog–are legit horror fans. He’s even brought in some names from famous horror publications, websites and podcasts. He’s doing it right.

    And perhaps you said he didn’t listen to you, but didn’t he? Or if he didn’t, did he need to? He’s brought us some awesome hardcore horror films since the time we railed against him and now he’s rebooting the mother of all slashers.

    Horror is lucky to have Jason Blum.

    And to finish my rant, I’d just like to address Dave’s PG-13 comment. Yes, he does a lot of PG-13 films. Jay, we’ve agreed that can work if done well–as with the Blumhouse-produced M. Night film, The Visit. But he’s also done a lot of R-rated movies, including Oculus, from the guy who will direct the new Halloween movie. To name a few other R-rated Blumhouse films: The Town That Dreaded Sundown, The Green Inferno, The Purge, Sinister, Lords of Salem, Curve, Hush, 13 Sins, Creep … all the way back to when he started with horror acquisitions in Paranormal Activity. Yes, he has done a lot of PG-13, but he’s also done plenty of R, including films from such extremists as Rob Zombie and Eli Roth. I don’t think he’s shy about horror.

    He’s brought in a respectable, but young and vital, director who made the R-rated, Blumhouse-produced Oculous. I think we’re in pretty good shape here. I’m very excited about Carpenter’s involvement and hopeful about Mike Flanagan. And this wasn’t in the initial story, but IMDb lists Adam Wingard (You’re Next, VHS, etc) as a director as well. So, whatever is happening there sounds exciting. And I’m equally excited about the Friday the 13th news. Great time to be a horror fan.

    • You point on Blumhouse’s relationship with PG-13 films is the same idea that sprang to mind when Dr. Shock voiced his concerns. With most supernatural movies being PG-13, whether Blumhouse or not, it’d only make sense that Blumhouse would release so many PG-13 movies when Jason Blum has been raking in the cash thanks to the whole supernatural fad that’s been going on for awhile now.

      The most important movie that Josh lists in my eyes is The Town That Dreaded Sundown. That’s a clear slasher and Blumhouse was just fine with giving it a R rating.

      • Since when is the supernatural a fad? Did I step into the Twilight Zone again? Not again!

        And guys, let’s put an end to this PG-13 load of crap business once and for all. Yes, an R rating allows people to do more. It’s not as constricting and one can go all out on gore and whatnot, but is that always a good thing? It seems to me that many R rated horror movies commit the sin of showing more than they should, rendering the film innefective in its scares and mistaking horror for gore. PG-13 movies, because of its rating constriction, have to rely more on other aspects like atmosphere, story, characters, etc. to convey their horror. Just look at this list of PG-13 rated horror and tell me they aren’t legit:

        The Ring
        The Others
        The Sixth Sense
        Insidious (all three entries)
        Drag Me to Hell
        The Last Exorcism
        The Uninvited
        Troll Hunter
        The Woman in Black
        The Gate
        The Village
        The Exorcism of Emily Rose


        • While it’s not to say there weren’t supernatural films prior to the fad beginning, there was a clear point after Blumhouse really got rolling, the horror world was flooded with supernatural movies. Just as torture porn dominated horror just prior to Paranormal Activity’s release, Asian horror remakes dominated before that, and so on.

          • I get what you’re saying, but I wouldn’t call that a fad since it’s a well established sub-genre that’s been a staple of horror since the beginning of time.

            The domination of a certain genre isn’t an indication of a fad. Fads tend to burn bright and fade out quickly. Would you call the reign of the slashers in the ’80s a fad? Blumhouse just happened to kick-start a revival of the supernatural in the mainstream, just as 28 Days Later and the remake of Dawn of the Dead helped usher the era of the zombie in modern times. These things come in waves and if anything, I would say that the string of supernatural horror movies we’ve been getting is really just a continuation of the wave of J-horror movies from the mid 2000s.

            • I sense there’s a hang up due to the term I used, rather than what I implied. Would the term ‘Boom period’ be preferable?

              I would compare the supernatural fad/boom period/surge in popularity to the 80’s slashers since that was the dominant type of horror that ruled the world of horror.

              Is there a better term you’d use for the surge in popularity of types of horror at various points over the years?

              • Yeah I think that’s what happened. The word fad just carries too much negativity for me to be comfortable calling something like the supernatural a fad. As far as what to call it, I’m not sure, but I’m ok with boom period/surge.

        • Yes, the above list of movies is definitely legit, and some are absolutely terrific (however, none of them are straight-up slashers. I think that, of all sub-genres, that’s one you’d have a hard time slipping into PG-13 territory if you want to do it right).

          I didn’t mean to minimize the announcement of John Carpenter’s return to the franchise he created. It’s tremendous news, and I can’t wait to see what he does with it. I’ll definitely be watching!

          And, apparently, Blumhouse doesn’t have an issue with the “R'” rating. Great! That’s also good news.

          Let’s wait and see what happens…

          • Haha oh man. My comment was directly sparked by Josh’s comment, but having not listened to the episode yet, I was speaking out of context and more in a general sense. So, no, I didn’t know you were specifically talking about PG-13 slashers, which makes more sense. Still, I think there are ways around it that could make for a more interesting and creative slasher. But we’ll just have to wait and see.

          • Jay, bro, I think you missed the point of my point. But yeah, I’d be fine with it as long as it’s done well. Why so serious about a rating?

        • I’m with Juan on this one. A lot of times it seems like they’ll try to get an R rating just to advertise it as a more serious horror movie. Honestly half of the R rated films I’ve seen, if it weren’t for the nudity, profanity, and drugs, there would be no reason to make it an R. So many of the scariest movies I can think of are PG-13 and Juans list is a great example. Insidious scared me to death to be honest. Scre4m on the other hand, was entertaining but I was never afraid. Sometimes it’s necessary to tell the story such as with The Exorcist, but not always.

    • I felt like Hermione Granger shooting her hand up in class to talk about how the Halloween films have been passed around from studio to studio and which studio had which film.

    • Blumhouse has made 37 horror movies since starting. 28 of them are rated R , the majority of the remaining ones all have an unrated home video cut. On that front, I really don’t see much to worry about. With carpenter as a creative consultant and looking to bring the franchise back to what made it so great(and possibly doing the score), carpenter wanting it to be low budget, he’s pretty much getting free reign. I think we have much to look forward too.


      • It’s a great point about the ratings, Ian, and great news about the score and low budget! Hadn’t heard those and I’m getting excited just thinking about it. Thanks for sharing this here.


    I’ve got a challenge for you, Jay. Start late at night. Go as far as you can away from your bedroom in your house. Hopefully everyone else in the house is asleep, so your bedroom light is OFF. Turn ON every light between your bedroom and that furthest room away. Turn OFF the light in the room you are in, but leave the door slightly cracked so that some light from the hallway is coming in. Watch the short film I recommended last episode called “Lights Out” … maybe watch it twice. For best effect, watch it with earphone on. After it is over, sit in the dark for a bit. Then, walk slowly back toward your bedroom turning off a hallway light BEFORE you walk down it, all the way back to your room. Lastly, crawl into bed in the dark, but leave your feet hanging out the bottom of the covers, exposed. And try to go to sleep. Please return and report back on how this goes. Good luck!

    • I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again, monster how desensitized you’ve become, how manly you think you are, or how “over the fear of the dark” you tell yourself you are, the dark will forever be the granddaddy of all fears. And it’s not necessarily the dark one’s afraid of, it’s the possibilities of what ,one could bump into once the dark takes over the light.

    • @Wolfman — I will definitely watch that short film. I ain’t afraid… But I’m not going to watch it until I’ve seen the feature-length film from this year first. I don’t want anything to be spoiled.

      • There’s nothing to spoil. The short is just the basic premise. There is more plot given away for the feature in the trailer than in the short. In fact, the feature poster almost gives away as much as the short. Worse, I think the short is more effective than the feature looks, so I’m more worried about the feature spoiling the short. Anyway, It’s just a quick and effective scare. You can trust me.

      • There is literally nothing that could be spoiled. The short is just an exercise in tension. No plot whatsoever. Just stop making excuses, man up, and watch it Jay!

    • I’ve done the challenge before. In college my buddy Dustin wanted to watch a scary movie and be really scared. So I suggested, The Exorcist. He rented half a basement, it was divided in half with a hallway. So he set it up so that his TV was in just the hallway. Gathering some comfortable chairs, we had it setup. His roommates went out drinking, house was empty.
      It’s late. Dark. Empty old college house. Dank basement. Plenty of echos. Yep, ready.
      2 and half hours later.
      Movie was over and we’re both freaked out.
      I had to work the next morning, so it was an early morning.
      Next day, I get a phone call from one of his roommates. When they got back to their house. The front and rear door were both blocked, Dustin was sleeping on the couch every light on on the house with a baseball bat and large kitchen knife by his side.
      Tears rolled down my face with laughter.
      A 6’2″, 200 lbs man, was scared out of his mind.
      Too bad it was before Facebook and cell phones with cameras, it was priceless.
      I too was freaked out, but not like that.

  4. That darn Jay. I was in my local library just yesterday. I could have looked for the most obscure horror film then had this podcast came out sooner.

    Sadly, just as I was walking into the building, some poor kid was telling the staff that his bike had gone missing when he was in the library. Hearing that broke my black heart.

    • Oooh, thanks for posting. Can’t wait to listen.

      BTW, Allyson, just spent a week all over Oregon with my wife’s family. It was a lot of fun. Didn’t get to spend as much time in Portland as I would have liked this time, but still loved it as much as previous trips.

        • A local mentioned they believe there’s a lake monster because of ripples on calm days, but I didn’t get any additional information. Would love to hear more!

          That would actually be a great location for a horror movie. I was discussing this with some HMP peeps on Twitter. I’ll have to post a picture of an amazing horror cabin I saw at the base of Mt. Howard.

          • Rachel is going to kill me for posting these, but I wanted a human for scale. She wanted me to mention (when I shared them in a private message on Twitter) that she is wearing her mom’s poofy jacket and sweat pants in these photos because she was freezing. Anyway …

            Isn’t this an amazing setting for a Summer camp horror movie? Wallowa Lake right next door, lake monster potentially in said lake! I mean, come on! Let’s make this!

          • Now I think Drew and I need to go check out this horror cabin. It looks like a perfect setting. A Northeastern Oregon road trip is definitely in our near future.
            Everything I know about the Wallowa Lake Monster I learned from a book I picked up as a kid; it’s titled “Oregon’s Ghost’s and Monsters” by Mike Helm. It’s been a favorite of mine since I was seven and I think two of the stories could make great horror movies. One is about the Bandage Man that stalks coastal hwy 101, and then there is the very haunted Hot Lake Hotel outside La Grande which has recently been re-opened (for the living).

    • Hi, Allyson
      That was the first thing that popped into my head, when hearing Bonnie’s question… “heeyy, Joel covered those with Jessy a while back!”
      I’m one of the co-hosts on Forgotten Flix, so thank you for posting the link! I’m glad someone is listening and remembers us! :-)


    Bonnie! I’m a big Boogedy fan. Haven’t seen them since I was a kid, but they were a lot of fun at the time.

    My recollection is that it was one of those Sunday Disney Night at the Movies. I remember Michael Eisner hosting the show and maybe even an Eisner-hosted behind the scenes. It’s all a little fuzzy at the moment.

    I’m now a big Richard Masur fan. Primarily, I think of him from The Thing (obviously) and Forget Paris, but Boogedy likely played a big part in my appreciation.

    I had seen the first film and it scared me and I remember the build up to the second one being a big deal. If I remember correctly, the second one was much more flashy and comedic.

    In retrospect, these feel like they must have been influenced by Beetlejuice in some way (though I haven’t checked the timeline), especially with the whole “Boogedy, Boogedy, Boo!”

    I’d like to track these down. I saw an article from 2014 that says they’re streaming on Amazon so maybe we can watch these for our “Horror for Kids” episode, which I would like to do around Halloween this year, if everyone’s down for it.

    • I should’ve listened to the rest of Jay’s comments before posting this, as some of it is a rehash, but glad to know we’re on the same page.

      Love all of that info Jay gave out about the Horror Palace Special (which I was NOT on) and the Planet Macrebre episode. I love that kind of stuff too and am excited to go back and listen.

      Bonnie’s comment about childhood horror experiences (despite me have beat the Thriller example to death, at this point) would be a fun way to open up the Kids Horror ep.

      • Awesome! Thanks so much for sharing and commenting Wolfman Josh!

        iTunes recently posted Mr. Boogedy/B.O. Boogedy for BUY only, and I snatched both films up, despite the idea of waiting for a better quality DVD or even blu-ray to manifest. (I mean, Disney’s really great at the waiting game, and I might actually die before these come out on blu-ray). Anyway, the quality is pretty much the same as the VHS output- but hey!

        A kids Horror episode would be great! For now, I am DEFINITELY going to look into the horror palace special and Planet Macabre podcasts that JOTD linked above! Thank you guys for responding! My hour long drives into LA for work are about to be even more entertaining!

        Also, I forgot to mention this in my message to you Josh (and Jay, and Dave, too)…but in reference to your guys’ previous podcasts where you discuss Bone Tomahawk….Have any of you seen The Burrowers? I have been trying to re-listen to every one of the podcasts to see if you guys mention it – but I haven’t tracked down any references. It’s a horror western from 2008, and it’s one of my absolute favorites. (I used to work at Family Video back in 2010, and that was when I discovered it). The cast boasts William Mapother, Clancy Brown, and Doug Hutchinson – and the writing is not-too-shabby.


        Thanks guys!!

    • I would like to recommend “Something Wicked This Way Comes” from 1983 as a horror for kids pic. It’s a Disney adaptation of the Ray Bradbury book (of which I am a big fan). I think it does a good job of capturing the feel of the book and it loomed large in my imagination as a kid.


    It was slightly painful to hear Dave talk about closing in on his last year of DVD Infatuation after “being gone” for awhile, knowing that he had suffered from a few health problems. If you haven’t head over to Doc’s blog post about it and leave some well-wishes:


  7. Whelp, Fascination went straight on my queue. I love the tonal mix of Arthouse / Grindhouse. Thanks for the Jean Rollin discussion and all of the recommendations. I feel like I learned something.

    • Ha ha. Thanks, Josh. I must admit that you’ve helped me to see the world differently since I’ve known you. Thanks.
      P.S. “The Darkness” sucks. ; )

  8. Okay, a few notes here-

    First, regarding PG-13.

    The problem isn’t the rating- the problem is making a film that targets a specific rating. When a film company specifically decides they are going for a rating, they are automatically limiting themselves. I actually get a little irked when a studio promises an “R” rating for a film… because it shows they care more about spectacle than they do about substance. Do I think Halloween could be effective with a PG rating? Let’s be honest- look at the original movie and you know that in this day and age it should be rated PG-13. It’s not bloody enough for an R rating, it’s not sexual enough, and the language is not nearly edgy enough. It’s a PG13 movie… despite tension and drama.

    But with regard to the horror challenge: I’ve got one scheduled for later this month on June 22… though it won’t be scary so much as AWESOME!!! I will be attending a free screening of “The Lost Boys” on the Santa Cruz boardwalk… basically, where the movie was filmed. Boooyah!

    • I’d agree with the original Halloween. Remove the nudity and I’d imagine it could easily receive a PG-13 rating. With Michael being more of a stalker than the other slasher villains, he’s the one who could best get away with not having an R rating without having to give up any truly important elements of the movie.

      If it’s a Friday the 13th film, then yeah, it needs to be rated R. Halloween though? Eh, I wouldn’t say it’s necessary, although I wouldn’t want the film to limit itself solely to get the PG-13 rating.

    • I don’t think limitations are necessarily a bad thing. Setting limitations can sometimes make people thrive with creativity. The opposite can be said about having too much freedom. One could easily get lost in a sea of possibilities. Limitations can serve as a focusing lens if approached correctly. That’s why I don’t use ratings as a measure of how great a movie can be.

      • I prefer to see where the rating stands after the creative process… if it needs an R rating, fine. But if you ramp it up for the sake of getting that R rating, then why bother? It’s not the story being told.

    • You are all making some great points about PG-13 horror films… even as far as a PG-13 HALLOWEEN goes. The idea that the original HALLOWEEN wouldn’t necessarily be rated R is something I’ve pondered for years, and I think you’re all spot on, but gentlemen… we have to consider the fact that the 1978 original set the bar all those decades ago, and every sequel (and slashers in general) took that template Carpenter made and ramped up the sex and violence to the point where these things became the distinctive features of the sub-genre.

      What I’m saying is that nearly 40 years later, the slasher sub-genre doesn’t seem to rest too comfortably in our current PG-13 framework. Don’t get me wrong… I’m a proponent of PG-13 horror. I just think we’re decades past being able to produce a PG-13 HALLOWEEN film, in particular, that would meet expectations.

      Look at THE FINAL GIRLS. I LOVED that movie. It seems most horror fans did. The issue most people seemed to have with the film was its PG-13 (safe) approach to the gore/nudity factor. Did this film “need” gore/nudity to work? Not necessarily, but really only because the gore/nudity wasn’t the point of this heart-wrenching horror-comedy-drama that co-writer Joshua John Miller penned in order to help him deal with the passing of his father. There was something larger at work in THE FINAL GIRLS, and this was the emotional content. Would gore/nudity have hurt the film, though? Excessive nudity… possibly, yeah. Gore… no way.

      I maintain my standpoint, but we ALL seem to agree that if a film is dishonestly written in order to cater to a PG-13 rating or an R rating, then there’s something wrong. Thanks, you guys, for getting me thinkin’ ’bout this shiznit.

  9. I watched The Ones Below a few weeks ago and mostly really enjoyed myself. While it certainly holds back from going full on horror, but it was tense and would be far scarier if I was a new parent. The downside to the movie is that it’s really predictable. If you’ve seen enough horror or thrillers, you should be able to easily predict what happens long before it does. I do wonder if Jay is harder on it simply because it didn’t go down that gory route like it could have.

    I believe I ended up giving The Ones Below a 7.5/10 and it’s well worth a rental.


    The movie actually reminded me a good deal of Inside. The key difference between the two is that Inside goes balls to the wall with the horror while The Ones Below relies on being more of a psychological thriller.

  10. Hey, JOTD,

    I didn’t rent it, so I cannot say for 100% certain, but I believe the Alice Sweet Alice for streaming on Amazon is not a remake, but rather a cover art re-design – that is why it is not listed on IMDb. Despite the 2016 listed date, the cast listed is that of the original.

    Same goes for the cool “Horror Extreme” one also on Amazon from 2008. It is the original film from the 70s.

    Thus I share in disappointment with you because that film’s VHS cover used to frighten me as a child, and when I was brave enough to watch it as a teen, I found it to be an effective whodunit slasher, which is up there as one of my favorite sub-genres.

    I love me some Prom Night, Terror Train, Popcorn, Scream series, Happy Birthday To Me, and others. Alice Sweet Alice is a definite recommend for fans of this type of film.

    • Jody B.,
      Thank you. Yes, you are correct. I was jumping online to watch this fabled “remake” tonight, and apparently, it is indeed the original 1976 film, but Amazon has the year labeled as a 2016 release. That wrong year and the unfamiliar cover and blended titling got my hopes up. Sorry to pass on awful and heart-breaking lies…

      Anybody wanna remake “Alice, Sweet Alice”?


  11. A little bit about Benoit Lestang, later on in life he worked on Brotherhood of the Wolf,and City of Lost Children. His masterpiece however was his makeup effects on Martyrs. Shortly after completing work on Martyrs he committed suicide.

    Also, every Jean Rollin movie I have ever watched was terrible. I feel like the slow burn aspect of his films is less about building tension and more about lazyness. He probably doesn’t plan well or storyboard and makes most of it up on the fly.
    I’ve watched Fascination, Rape of the Vampire, Nude Vampire, and Zombie Lake and I’m through with him.

    • That Benoit Lestang suicide story is CRAZY! I’d like to know more about that. Not to make light of something so serious, but I wasn’t feeling great about life after Martyrs either.

      Shame about Jean Rollin. Dave had me sold. I’m still going to give him a shot.

      • I remember reading about this some time ago. So sad. Personally, I think MARTYRS is an amazing slice of cinema. I can’t think of very many times a horror film has stuck with me in such a way. But you really do need a shower for your soul afterward, so…

      • I’m not a fan of the original Martyrs. It’s way too depressing in that it feels as if you’re watching a snuff film without any actual payback. If I wanted to be left depressed, I’d watch the news.

        It’s also part of why I feel the US remake for Martyrs is the superior film.

  12. I watched both Boogedy’s when I was 7. The first was pretty creepy for me at that time. Worth watching it you are a fan of Saturday the 14th or Terrorvision.

    • Joe, I agree! I had to bring those two movies up because I feel like a lot of us all had similar experiences with them. Good times.

  13. Has anyone in this forum seen the 2016 horror film DARLING by Mickey Keating who did POD and RITUAL? I haven’t written up any kind of official review or anything, but if I had to describe it, I’d say it’s as though THE SHINING got possessed by PSYCHO and is fueled by a Norman Bates-esque female lead. It’s got the right amount of 21st century sensibilities to make it feel fresh, rather than dated. Shot in black and white, it really comes off as having an old soul. An arthouse film for sure. Descent-into-madness type stuff… which I don’t normally love, but damn did Keating do a good job on this one. I don’t think JOTD or Wolfman would like it as much, but I think Doc Shock would get a kick out of it. It’s going on my Top 10 of 2016 for sure.

    Anyone else know it? Love it? Hate it?

    • You don’t think I’d like an arthouse film that feels like Psycho? What Wolfman Josh are you talking about? Haha. You REALLY sold me on this one, Mister Watson. Adding it to my queue right away.

      • Ha ha. I apologize, Wolfman. I was knee-deep in a bottle of whiskey when I wrote the above. I meant to more clearly convey that I thought you might not like it as much as Doc would… not that you wouldn’t like it at all. My bad, sir. I’m super happy you’re putting this in your queue, though, Josh. There’s just something incredibly unsettling about this film… the very same thing, in fact, that is unsettling about the final scene of PSYCHO. And it’s got quite the atmospheric soundtrack… with a surprise song or two thrown in the mix that I found very jarring in a good way. I dunno. Good stuff. A buy? Maybe. Maybe not. High priority rental, though, for people who want something a little different.

  14. I agree that horror movies are better when submersed in the experience. That’s why when we had that huge blizzard in January I watched The Thing and The Shining. They’re the best movies to watch when you’re snowed in.

    • Yes! You’re a man after my own heart. The Shining and The Thing are obviously the most quality films you could watch, but I’d reach further. Storm of the Century is a go-to for me. Misery as well. Funny that three of these are Stephen King films. Do not go with Dreamcatcher.

  15. Jay! Thanks so much for answering my message! I was so delighted and surprised as I was pulling into the garage on my way home from work today to hear you start describing my message!

    Anyway, just so you know, I have downloaded those podcast listings from above that you link, into my phone for my drive into LA tomorrow. I am super psyched! (And BTW great movie suggestions in general from this podcast, Jay and Josh! I am going to check out Demoniacs, Living Dead Girl and Hidden for sure). I also may have to try Jay’s suggestion about the library collections…I used to do that all the time in high school, but haven’t done it in forever.

    I always love hearing about the horror movies that people “cut their teeth” on, and the experiences that revolve around them. (Originally being from Ohio, if I wasn’t at a sports game – I spent my time watching scary movies with my late mom, who was a bigger horror buff than anyone I’ve ever met in my life).

    Also, I’ll be sending you guys one more message shortly (hopefully it won’t be as long-winded as this post – haha). Thanks again guys! Looking forward to the next podcasts!

    • CORRECTION* meant to put Dave instead of Josh in the reference to the podcast! (I was trying to type two different replies in two different message threads at the same time! Sorry man!)

  16. I would LOVE to watch Jaws while on the water. Finally getting around to this episode, and while I’m listening I’m watchin “Jaws: The Revenge” on a towboat, on the Illinois River. Close enough? Lol

  17. I just want to correct Jay about the real reasons why The Darkness is a bad movie. It’s not the black goop and it’s not the supernatural elements. The movie is just mediocre at everything it attempts to do. The family drama is terrible. It’s convoluted, it goes nowhere, and there’s no emotional weight to it. The story is not only weak, but executed—perhaps just edited—in a nonsensical way. At the end, I felt like I had missed parts of the movie. The few cool ideas the movie had weren’t explored at all, just touched upon surface level. It’s a shame too, because the material is strong enough to make a great movie. In short, the movie is as bad as Jay says in his review, but it has nothing to do with the fact that it’s supernatural or PG-13 or that it was produced by Blumhouse Productions or that it contains black goo. Anyway, I would also give it a 4/10 and an avoid.

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