Horror Movie Podcast Ep. 112: Get Out (2017) and A Cure for Wellness (2017) and Remembering Bill Paxton

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This is HORROR MOVIE PODCAST, Episode 112, another Frankensteinian episode where your regular hosts—Jay of the Dead, Dr. Shock and Wolfman Josh—welcome special guest “The Wild Man” Willis Wheeler and bring you reviews of new release horror films A Cure for Wellness (2017) and Get Out (2017). We also pay our respects to the late, great Bill Paxton (1955-2017), who unfortunately passed away last week. R.I.P.

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I. Introduction
— Welcome “The Wild Man” Willis Wheeler

[ 0:02:23 ] II. Remembering Bill Paxton (1955-2017)
HMP RIP Bill Paxton

[ 0:14:32 ] III. Feature Review: GET OUT (2017)
Jay of the Dead = 9.5 ( Theater / Buy it! )
Wolfman Josh = 10 ( Theater / Buy it! )
Dr. Shock = 9 ( Theater / Buy it! )
Willis Wheeler = 10 ( Theater / Buy it! )

[ 0:52:58 ] SPOILER Section: GET OUT (2017) (SPOILERS!)

Get Out Tweet 2

[ 1:26:58 ] IV. Feature Review: A CURE FOR WELLNESS (2017)
Jay of the Dead = 9 ( Theater / Buy it! )
Wolfman Josh = 6 ( Rental )

V. Wrap-Up / Plugs / Ending

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Willis Wheeler’s links:
Two-Drink Commentaries
NFW Commentaries Podcast
The Wild Man’s YouTube Channel
Willis Wheeler on TV’s Toy Hunter
Willis on the Terror Troop horror podcast
Willis on the Cinema Beef Podcast
Willis on Twitter: @NastyWillDC
Willis on Facebook

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Dr. Shock also appears on this horror podcast: Land of the Creeps

Dr. Walking Dead’s links:
Pre-order Kyle’s new book! How Zombies Conquered Popular Culture: The Multifarious Walking Dead in the 21st Century
Order Kyle’s previous books American Zombie Gothic and Triumph of The Walking Dead
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52 thoughts on “Horror Movie Podcast Ep. 112: Get Out (2017) and A Cure for Wellness (2017) and Remembering Bill Paxton

  1. I’m still listening through the episode but wanted to say I’m psyched about the movies being reviewed this episode!
    Also Daniel Kaluuya did a fantastic job in Get Out, I was hoping to see more from him after the Fifty Thousand Merits episode of Black Mirror, I understand now why there’s a running joke that white women as a downfall is a theme for him.

  2. Get Out also had a fair amount of faint subtlety with the racism theme which I enjoyed, I’m looking forward to a second viewing to pick out more. For example when Allison was eating froot loops, the cereal was in a bowl and the milk she was drinking was in a cup. This separation stood out to me. Jordan Peele did a fantastic job with his directorial debut and I’m hoping to see him create more in the future. It was beautifully shot and surprisingly well acted. I’m also glad the skeletal deer from the trailer was not in the movie, it seemed off in the trailer and against the flow of the other featured scenes. My last rambled comment about Get Out, I’m glad there was a movie about liberal white racism, it’s a thing that is entirely overlooked. The “I would’ve elected Obama for a third term” line really stuck with me because it’s something I hear all the time.

    • I read a lot of interesting things people took from the film such as the fruit loops scene. That scene stood out to me as well; it worked on multiple levels – the separation of race and the scene itself was so creepy because it presented the Allison Williams character in such a innocent and child like light as she was perusing the internet for her next victim.

      I also enjoyed the use of foreshadowing in this film. One thing that comes to mind is Bradley Whitford’s odd diatribe early on about his hatred of deer and then he is in fact taken out by a deer (sort of). Another was the Jesse Owens story and then Walter later running.

      • I was talking to one of my friends about hidden meanings in the film and she said I was reaching. I really think that most directors deliberately put everything into the film a certain way, even the pictures hanging on the walls down to the toothpaste in the bathroom. I think every choice Peele made was deliberate.

        • Even when it’s not necessarily the writer or director, the props masters and production designers and costume designers usually take their jobs very seriously and are looking for ways to enhance the film and play into the themes and story with design and color. They’re usually pitching the director ideas for every scene and sometimes just sneaking little details in.

          I’d also say to your friend that although it’s the filmmaker’s job to create the text, it’s the job of the audience and the critic to interpret the text. So if you can see something in there and support it with evidence, it doesn’t matter what the filmmaker intended. It’s still in there. The “omega” and the “sad American flag” in the article Dark Mark linked to are perfect examples. Whether intended (and I’d lay down serious money that they were) they are inarguably in there and enhance the theme and story. And I could see both of those ideas being spear-headed by a department head rather than a director.

          The fruit loops thing feels like more of an overt choice that would be put by a screenwriter or pitched on set by a props master, actor, or director.

          However these things made their way into the film and whether or not intentional, they are there and they are working.

      • Thank you for sharing this! I didn’t catch some of the things the article brought up such as the discomforting American flag Chris and Allison’s shirt form. I’m fascinating by how many little things people have picked up from the first viewing. Brilliant job

  3. Josh, I think you are in need of a cure. Your opinion of A Cure for Wellness was not well. But in all honesty, I think you should revisit this film, it’s actually a hidden gem and deserves another chance! The feeling of oddity, confusion, and dread experienced throughout the viewing is something unique. The dental scene was well crafted and discomforting to the point I cringed. You never know if you are in the present or the past, the wellness center is like another world. Although it was quite predictable with the twist at the end, the constant back and forth coupled with the fast pace to sputtering halt of the story line made this an experience. I won’t go on and on but do give it a rewatch, it may not be for everyone but I’m really shocked you did not like it.

  4. The review of Get Out was so good! I spent some time teaching Sociology at a local university and other than “White Man’s Burden” there aren’t many films that navigate race in a way that highlights privilege and racial microaggression. And unlike White Man’s Burden, Get Out is very accessible to those in a position of privilege. This is going to be used in a lot sociology and minority studies classes. I would love to see more films like this.

  5. Great show as usual guys, I’ve been picking up quite a few shifts at my night job lately so I’ve been plowing through the archives, did the Halloween episodes last week so this week I’m on the Friday the 13th reviews, but had to postpone for new content!

    I guess I’m a glutton for punishment as whenever I hear the possibility of spoilers I’m all over it, so I’m a little bummed at myself that I kept listening to your Get Out review, but that’s my own fault. I will say I’m even more pumped about seeing that movie as that premise you guys went into sounds even more intriguing than what I originally thought. I’m keeping it from my wife and I think when we get to it, seeing her reaction to what the film becomes will be satisfying enough for me. Hoping to get a sitter for the weekend and getting out since I pretty much only get to see movies like Monster Trucks lately (which had my 1-1/2 year old glued to his seat surprisingly enough).

    As for A Cure for Wellness the trailer has me thinking I’m gonna side with the Wolfman. I’m not opposed to movies that make you think but this just gave me the impression that it was gonna be a really pretty-looking mess of a movie. I will give it a chance though.

    Anyways, keep up the great work and I’m looking forward to the heavy metal episode. I’ve always been a metal fan (i choose to ignore the NuMetal phase of my life), plus Devils Candy looks intense, I’ve been a huge fan of Ethan Embry since Empire Records.

  6. Hey Jay and Josh (and Dr Shock). I fell a little bit behind on my listening due to work so I just now got to episode 110 and heard you and Josh discussing my email and wondering if I’m still a listener seeing as how you haven’t heard from me in awhile. I’m happy to say that yes indeed I am! I love the show. In fact I have made quite a few posts to you guys on twitter as well as commenting on the website. The confusion is probably due to the fact that my Twitter, Email, and website names probably differ a bit. For instance I know this email comes up as “Tiamat”, my Twitter is Josh Myers, Facebook is Josh Gastronomicon Myers, another email has me as “Hunkulees”, etc. but rest assured I am an active and loyal listener.

    I really like the community at HMP and keep intending to get more active with it. For instance I’m quite active on the “Podcast on Haunted Hill” and “Podcast Under The Stairs” Facebook pages, who also have fantastic communities, and HMP seems like another close group of horror fans that seem very welcoming. It’s more that I usually just get on Facebook and catch up with my peeps there. More of a habit.

    But I never miss an episode of Horror Movie Podcast (at least eventually, lol) and it’s def one of my very favorites, hands down.

    One of these days I’ll make it back over to the message boards Jay, promise :) Keep up the great work guys!

    Now…to get caught up

    • I’m going to check out “Podcast on Haunted Hill” and “Podcast Under The Stairs.” Thanks for the recommendation!

      • No problem :) Happy to help. The podcast on haunted hill is a great podcast hosted by a couple brits named Dan and Gav, and The Podcast Under The Stairs is a Scottish lad named Duncan and various co hosts including my favorite “The Baz” who soubds like a hilarious demented version of groundskeeper Willie

  7. Great episode. I love when you guys disagree on movie ratings! The difference in your opinions was so drastic. Wolfam- No go on Cure for Wellness? I was excited for this one but I have heard many mixed reviews. I am waiting until it comes to video.

    Some thoughts on Get Out:

    *First it’s difficult to discuss race honestly and your interpretations without worrying that you are coming off as insensitive or apathetic. I consider myself a very “color brave” kind of person.

    I really enjoyed Daniel Kaluuya’s character. I remember him from a Black Mirror episode. He emotes very well.

    There was humor injected into this movie sporadically. I feel Peele may have done this to make it more accessible to a wider audience. By adding a comedic element to the movie it lightened the very serious content a little.

    I thought the “sunken place” could have been amped up a bit more. I was hoping it had a more “Insidious” vibe to it. I thought it was a little too mellow. I 100% think that this was a mystery thriller with horror elements added. And the treatment of the sunken place exemplifies my point.

    I am wondering about the deer symbolism in this movie. Any thoughts?

    I agree that there was a lot crammed into the last 15-20 minutes of this movie. I feel like I wish they had introduced this earlier so that we could have seen the main character try to escape and run into more obstacles. I feel like it was a little too easy for him to “get out”. I think that also makes this more of a mystery thriller rather than straight-up horror.

    So thinking back about this movie and it’s portrayal of liberal racism it made me think… For some groups of people having a black or brown friend makes them feel good about themselves. I am thinking about privileged white folks when I say this. It’s almost like they may feel like it’s current and politically correct making them feel like they are cultured and the complete opposite of racist. This exemplified the white community in this film. The people that came to auction didn’t seem disappointed that it was a black man they were bidding on, rather “chomping at the bit” for the opportunity. He almost seemed a novelty. Like, an “everyone should have one” type of thing.

    My Get Out Review (copied from last podcast)
    I think they should have made the family even more over the top in a grossly satirical way. For instance, when he is playing with the lacrosse stick at the end perhaps it could have been a croquet mallet. Ya know, something completely, white, New England old money. And when the daughter is eating froot loops doing her internet search, they could have alluded to her masturbating to the pics. Just completely over the top.

    And for some of the messages I took away from the film…. They took this deeply sensitive, compassionate man and turned him into the antithesis of who he was. (Like how stereotypes literally work.) They turned him into the angry black man “the beast”. It was the actions of the family that made him this way. And, it’s almost like they were happy about that, like “I told you so.” Even when the daughter is dying at the end she is smiling. I took that as her way of saying, I am still better than you even though I am about to die. I still have the control. It’s only when she realizes she has lost control after his friend arrives does she stop smiling and die.

    And I thought the movie was a modern take on slavery. Even when the “grandma” and “grandpa” were “back” they were still put in the subservient roles as the “help”. I mean if everyone knew what was going on, then the family surely didn’t have to pretend they weren’t who they were. It’s almost like they knew they were the grandma and grandpa but still couldn’t accept that they didn’t have to play a charade anymore because of the color of their skin. And the slavery theme is obvious in the “white man” stealing the minds of the captors. And by knowing that there is still a sliver of the original consciousness left they are fine with that, making it that much worse.

    This is all from a one-time watching. I would have to see it again to really delve deeper into the meaning of the film and the imagery and symbolism. It wasn’t everything I was hoping for but it was pretty darn good. I will stick by my 8.5/10

    • I have a few differences in opinion here regarding the family… specifically regarding the portrayal of the family. While the croquet mallet may have been a nice touch, nothing really SCREAMS white aggressive north american teenage boy quite like LaCrosse for me. But that may be my experiences growing up. Additionally, I don’t see why the daughter would be masturbating… she was obviously sociopathic and held no desire one way or the other beyond a business transaction for her family. Her “smile” at the end was in playing with his emotions… it showed how easily she could turn it on or off at a whim and had him played the whole time. There was no longer a need for a pretense, it simply wasn’t going to work. She wasn’t really “human” in that sense… she’s a monster.

      A deer often symbolizes a peaceful messenger and the wounding or slaying of a deer could have multiple meanings. For me, It felt very much as though he were the deer in the road… he was going to get run down by something he just couldn’t see coming and he was helpless to stop it. It’s much like his blank stare during the trance… a caught in the headlight look. This may also go back to the satellite story surrounding his mother in the hit and run, how she may have been a deer in the headlight as well. The incident obviously held something for him with regard to his mother, seeing the helpless creature lying on the side of the road like that… like his mother.

      • Good points. It seemed like Allison William’s character got pleasure out of what she was rather than just trying to help her family. And I thought her pleasure would have been interesting if it was sexual. I am not saying that’s how it was portrayed. The fact that she hangs all of the past victim’s photos above her bed brought me to this thought. The son’s pleasure out of the situation seemed to be the dominant overpowering control he may have gotten on the victims while the father’s pleasure was being able to play god. I thought it would have been interesting if they each family member got a different satisfaction out of what they were doing as a family.

        I thought that the “white” car hitting the brown deer foreshadowed what was about to happen but it seemed to literal to me. I like the idea about the mother and the deer symbolism.

        • It was very much a predators pleasure in my mind… more Ted Bundy admiring his trophies and prospects than anything else. I guess there’s a bit of sexual sadism in it, but I think it was about the hunt for her.

    • ** Spoilers ** I guess they didn’t really utilize “the sunken place” to its fullest potential, but man was that a scary concept. Other than the intense racial discussion brought on by the film I’ve pondered about the sunken place quite a bit. It is a type of body horror that really gets to me so it is effective on that level, but also the idea of being powerless, a homunculus on a roller coaster, unable to interact with those around me and watching someone else experiencing life on my behalf. I really felt horrible about that aspect of the situation. I suppose that was probably a representation of subjugation and an extension of slavery and disenfranchisement. Chilling.

      • Somehow I kept being reminded of being john malkovich with the sunken place and it was distracting! I think it may have also had to do with the mother because she was in that movie as well. I did love the idea of the sunken place as well.

  8. Thoughts on Get Out:

    9.5 in this PERFECT exploration of racial tension through the horror lens. If you love horror, see this movie. If race relations concern you, see this movie. If you love brilliant direction and fine performances, SEE THIS MOVIE!!! Look, just see this movie… it is the best thing I’ve seen so far from 2017 and it’s going to take a whole lot to rattle this ones standing.



    So here’s the thing about the cotton thing and the way it was filmed and why audiences were probably a little lost… but it’s also very obvious. The guy I saw the movie with wondered the same thing, and I will tell you the same thing we talked about. Once I point it out, it’ll be pretty obvious. We are shown, as he’s tearing at the chair, that he rubs the cotton between his fingers… and he leans forward to take a closer look. He leans… closer. Very close, actually. All he needs to do is turn his head and twist his arm in the cuff on either side to stuff that cotton his ears. He’s not reaching up… he’s leaning down. Some people are automatically attuned to someone reaching up that they forget someone can just lean forward.

    Simple, huh? =)

    “A Cure For Wellness”

    Gore Verbinsky returns to the horror genre with this mind-bending tale. The film centers around a treatment center in Sweden where the rich and ailing travel for long term treatments. Dane Dehaan stars as Lockhart, a young executive sent to retrieve the company’s CEO from the center. Once there, he finds that the patients seem entirely satisfied to remain and convincing the CEO to leave may be a difficult proposition. Things become further complicated when a car crash forces Lockhart to remain in the center where he experiences the Center’s treatment plan as prescribed by the mysterious Dr. Volmer.

    Of course we know nothing is quite what it seems. Lockhart meets a number of patients at the center who raise the young executives suspicion. An elderly woman obsessed with mysteries, a successful pair of venture capitalists who seem far too happy to remain far from their business, the suspicious townspeople, and a young girl who seems to be a “special case” for Dr.Volmer. When the treatment begins to result in strange delusions, Lockhart races to piece together the mystery of the Center.

    Well, “races” is a subjective term here… Verbinsky is entirely too indulgent with his direction for the film and the story seems to stretch far beyond it’s capacity. At nearly two and a half hours, the film could easily shed around thirty minutes or more and maintain a much smoother narrative structure. As it is, the films momentum often sputters to a stop just when things are getting good. Dehaan is a fantastic actor, but he is often saddled with too many scenes that establish a lack of sympathy we should have for him.

    With allusions to Lovecraft and the gothic style of classic Hammer Films, “A Cure For Wellness” can be an enjoyable ride for fans of the genre.

    6 out of 10. Moderate recommendation.

    • Thanks for putting the cotton conundrum explanation up RCJ. I was yelling at my radio when they couldn’t figure it. I thought it was my duty to come to the message boards to try and be the brains, but alas you are faster than I 😉

  9. Very good episode gentlemen. Anytime a familiar voice rejoins the crew, you know it is going to be enjoyable. When Bill Paxton died, two roles immediately came to mind: Severen in Near Dark and one not mentioned, Chet in Weird Science. No, it was not horror, but to me it was memorable and iconic. For such a nice guy he plays an annoying pain in the butt very well, lol. The movie did have elements of science fiction and fantasy and at the end of the movie when he turned in to the “blob”, there were some very good practical effects and makeup that would make any horror fx master proud. And let’s face it, as a 13 year old at the time, who could watch that movie and nor forget the performance of Kelly LeBrock, lol. RIP Bill Paxton!

    • I actually did mention Weird Science, saying that Chet was one of his more memorable characters, but we didn’t give it enough time. I could tell Jay was looking to wind down that segment. I agree with everything you said about Weird Science and if you see the show notes about (as well as our Tweets or Instagram) you’ll notice some Chet-Monster love.

      The one I really regret not mentioning was Sam Raimi’s A Simple Plan. That’s a favorite of mine and although it’s a crime movie, I think horror fans could get a kick out of it. At the time it came out, it felt very much like a Fargo rip off, but I think it has aged pretty well and is a solid film, removed from that context. Paxton is great in it.

      I talked about falling in love with Bradley Whitford after watching so many episode of The West Wing. For Paxton fans, I’d say the same about Big Love. If you really love Paxton and wish you could get more of him, there’s really not a better way to experience an actor than in a long-running television series. Paxton is in all 53 episodes of Big Love and the show starts as a sexy drama about the ordinary lives of some cult members, but actually escalates to a pretty scary and gripping thriller at times, once you are invested in the characters and the s**t hits the cult fan. Highly recommended, if you like drama.

  10. I thought that I would share this given the ‘recent’ discussion about Adam Green’s Frozen. Looks like this IS something that can happen in real life Josh:


    The family of a snowboarder who suffered broken bones and frostbite after falling 30 feet off a ski lift to avoid freezing to death has sued the popular N.C. mountains ski resort where the youth’s nightmare unfolded.

    The Tennessee family contends workers at Sugar Mountain Resort in Avery County “were dismissive” when the youth’s mother reported him missing. Instead of immediately launching a rescue effort, staff speculated the youth “probably wandered off the ski slope or trails,” according to the lawsuit.

    Resort staff were negligent in failing to check the lift for any riders before shutting it down the afternoon of Feb. 14, 2016, the lawsuit claims.

    The youth and his parents, Robert and Wendy Elliott, seek at least $75,000 in damages, according to the lawsuit filed in federal court in Asheville.

    [RELATED: STORY UPDATE: Rescuers were near when teen decided to fall off ski lift, resort official says]

    After several hours stuck on the lift, the youth worried about surviving the night and jumped, the lawsuit says. It was snowing and about 14 degrees, with a wind chill of about 8 degrees when the lift closed. The lawsuit does not list the youth’s name and age.

    After about 2 hours on the lift, the sun had set, it was still snowing, wind increased to 5.8 mph and temperature with the wind chill dropped to about 6 degrees, the lawsuit says.

    Snow-making equipment and high winds drowned out the youth’s cries for help, according to the lawsuit.

    After several hours, the youth became sleepy, and he was afraid he would fall asleep and ether freeze or fall out of the chair.

    He took his snowboard off, crawled over the edge of the chair, grasped a metal bar below the chair, hung from the bar and let go, falling to the frozen ground below, the lawsuit says.

    The fall knocked him unconscious. When he came to, he crawled in pain about 200 yards out of thick woods via a service road to the adjoining Gunter’s Way ski run.

    He crawled another 300 yards down the ski run to the lighted terrain park area, which had since reopened for night skiing. Two members of the public found him and called ski patrol.

    Sugar Mountain Resort officials could not be reached by phone and email Tuesday night. A worker at the park said they would be available during regular works hours on Wednesday.

    Read more here: http://www.charlotteobserver.com/news/local/article135568343.html#storylink=cpy

  11. I’m saving this episode for the weekend but I thought I’d comment on the show notes. I’m glad to see some of the HMP team liked A Cure for Wellness. I’ve seen the movie receive mixed reviews but I really enjoyed it.

    A Cure for Wellness was weird and beautifully shot with several highly effective shocks. A certain scene involving a car surprised me like a slap in the face and haunted my mind for days afterwards which is just what I want from a horror movie.

    I’m looking forward to seeing Get Out which I believe opens next week here in the UK.
    Loving the podcast, keep up the good work HMP Guys.

  12. How come you only have episode 89 to 112 up on podcaster?
    Too bad it´s missing from there. Are you planning to put them up? Hope you do.

    Great podcast bye the way, Keep the good worl up. Always listen to you guys when i´m working!
    Take care, from a guy From Sweden,

  13. As a longtime metal fan, I’m looking forward to the next episode and hearing your thoughts on heavy metal and/in horror! I really enjoyed Deathgasm, although it was so over-the-top it was more funny than scary. Same thing with Stage Fright, which I also enjoyed (despite not liking 99% of musicals). And these films are built more for laughs than chills. I actually wish there were some more serious attempts to meld metal and horror. It seems that most times they play up the camp factor, which seems the easy route. A movie that captures the disturbing aspects of both genres would be satisfying. Any King Diamond fans out there? I would love one day to see one of his albums turned into a horror movie, as their stories always play out like a horror movie. Abigail especially–a woman possessed by the ghost of a vengeful unborn girl in an eighteenth-century mansion! Yes!

    Get Out is definitely going to be on my top 10 list this year. I can be confident of that despite only having seen a few 2017 releases so far. I appreciate your discussion of white liberal racism being a theme. So many people deny the possibility of being racist because they don’t burn crosses on black people’s front lawns or use the “n” word. They don’t realize that you can be racist without being intentionally malicious. Or that racism is a prevalent element of our culture and thus not just a matter of personal prejudice, but something that shapes everyone’s attitudes and actions related to race.

    On the other hand, I do think the social commentary is on more than just white liberal racism. I think it is also about how there are racists out there who are dangerous and perhaps even intentional about their racism, but whose behaviors and attitudes have become normalized so that to at least some “white liberals,” or the average person who doesn’t intend to advocate racism but isn’t that attuned to racial issues, excuse or fail to call out those people. And anyone who does call them out is labeled “radical” and overreactive. Some racists are good at disguising their racism. They might even deny it–“I’m the LEAST racist person you’ll ever meet.” Saying you admire Tiger Woods or Obama, as the white people in the film do, is a good way of disguising the fact that you’re willing to kidnap, brainwash, and enslave black people.

    Also, the exploitation of people of color is often about more than “mere” racism. There’s other things that feed it such as economic exploitation, and it can be hard to point to that and say it’s “racist.” Racism doesn’t always mean thinking white is better than black or brown; sometimes it just means being willing to harm or exploit brown or black people for your own gain. For example, the war on drugs, mass incarceration, and gentrification are all things that people have connected with racism, but some might have trouble seeing that because they depend as much (if not more so) on greed and exploitation of poor people of color, as they do on ideas of “whiteness” being superior.

    And this seems like what is going on in Get Out–despite desiring the supposed superior traits of the people they’re kidnapping, the white people in this film are fine with completely taking everything away from them, body and mind. With violating black people in the most intimate of ways, depriving them of their very selves. If it’s not as much about race as it is about simply taking over young, healthy, athletic or beautiful bodies (as I think the video that Chris watches says), why aren’t there any white slaves? Also, they probably figure that it’s easier to get away with abducting and disappearing black people, as the police might be less invested in tracking them down.

    On the other hand, and I hope this isn’t taken the wrong way, but I think this film works as a horror movie without the racial element, which is one of the reasons I enjoy it so much. Obviously, it would need some tweaks, but the whole premise is interesting enough that it could work as a “body snatcher” type film. There’s other ways that you could capture the awkwardness and signs of things not being right. It would probably be a less interesting film. Don’t get me wrong–the racial element takes this to a whole other level, and does a phenomenal job tackling a social issue that horror films have weirdly not touched on much in the past. But one worry that I had going into this was that the racial aspect would be too heavy-handed, or in some blunt the creepy/horror moments, which I don’t think was the case at all.

    I think Get Out does a good job going into horrific and satiric territory while being restrained. It’s been a few days since I listened to the episode, so forgive me if I mis-represent your thoughts, but the flaws that Wolfman and Jay seemed to find with the film, I actually think are strengths. I’m glad they didn’t go too far in hitting us over the head either with the presence of racism, or the creep factor. Any more than what they did incorporate, and I would worry either that the social commentary would seem too forced, or that they were trying too hard to please horror fans. I was fine with the way everything played out, and thought the pacing was perfect. Too many films rely either on giving us lots of creepy clues without tying them together, or keeping us in mystery until a big reveal that falls flat at the end. Here, you find out bits and pieces as you go along, and even though there is a big reveal toward the end, you get enough about what’s been happening before that that it feels organic. I didn’t have any problem with the explanation; I don’t find it any harder to believe than most of the other stuff we see in horror movies. I did find it kind of questionable how easy it was to hypnotize Chris, but once it became part of the film, I just rolled with, and his reactions were so well-acted that I totally bought into it.

    I personally didn’t find any flaws with the film. I think this will not only rank on my 2017 top 10 horror movie list, but perhaps high on my list of top horror movies of all time. I hope Peele continues to explore horror, and that we have other horror movies willing to de-mask the killer who doesn’t just lurk in the shadows, but has lately been attacking outright in broad daylight.

  14. Get Out has sparked so much fantastic discussion everywhere I look. Despite what some people might argue, I really think it’s brought people together. I love it.

    I’m sure you guys have a lot of planned episodes on the rocket docket, but I was thinking I’d run an episode or segment idea by you. I was just relistening to Comedy of Terrors (I still have yet to see Ghostbusters, but I feel I have a responsibility to you guys to watch it and settle whether Wolfman and Doc are truly wearing nostalgia goggles) and Wolfman told a story about his Lost Boys centric sleepovers. Jay said “Those are the kind of memories that make you a movie lover,” and I was thinking you guys do a retrospective on your horror history – what movies and associated memories turned you from Little Monsters into the Jay of the Dead, the Wolfman, and the Doc we know today? I love hearing stuff like that.

    Anyways, looking forward to next episode. You guys make every day of my life better, sincerely

  15. Hey, wolfmanjosh, I’ve recently been listening to earlier podcast and I heard that you might be making a found footage horror documentary. My dad has a story that Is perfect for that and I wanted to share it with you and hope you might consider using it. Today my dad still claims this story to be true…

    So, my dad is living in lower Michigan and he gets a call from his brother, Joel, saying that Joel’s car broke down in Connecticut and that my dad needs to come pick him up. My dad gets his friend Chris to accompany him to Connecticut. Once they get the car fixed they decide to rent a house for the night.
    The people had some extra rooms for my dad, Joel, and Chris. The people who lived there were hoarders and there was just stacks of junk everywhere. Chris and Joel were talking downstairs, but my dad went upstairs to sleep.
    A couple hours later my dad woke up and saw a little girl standing at the foot of his bed and not moving nor making noise. The girl ran out of the room. my dad waited a second then went downstairs. He wasn’t sure that is was a little girl because it was one of those weird things that Chris would do, and he had just been awakened. He asked Chris why he was standing at the foot of his bed and Joel and Chris’s face went white.
    Apparently when Joel and Chris were downstairs, they had found out* that, the house used to be a bed and breakfast. The girl of the couple that owned it entire missing and people said they saw her at the foot of their beds. Two weeks after she went missing, they found her dead in a well with her neck snapped.
    Later after they all went to sleep, Chris woke up and saw a huntsman at the bottom of his bed.

    *I think they found the story of the girl from the people who were staying there with them, but they could have looked it up or something. I’m not sure.

    If you do consider it contact me at cade.cade.ok@gmail.com for more info.


  16. So, I’ve gotta say that the discussion regarding “Get Out” this episode was insightful. I’ve yet to put my own thoughts on the movie down in written form yet but I do know that it was a tense and amazing experience that was made all the better by the audience I saw it with. I sincerely hope that it is not snubbed come awards season.

    The chat regarding “Cure for Wellness” also made me interested enough to go see the flick so I think I’ll catch that this weekend while it’s actually still in theaters. So thanks guys for all that you do and get well soon Jay!

        • I’ll be reporting back after the festival, for sure. I have tickets to seven screenings at the moment, but am hoping to catch a few more. The ones I’m seeing so far are:

          Lake Bodom
          The Transfiguration
          Dead Awake
          The Night Watchmen
          Dave Made a Maze
          Buster’s Mal Heart (not horror)

          I’ll be seeing Lake Bodom and Buster’s Mal Heart with Jody, so we might call in and leave a voicemail or something.

  17. Finally got to see Get Out last night and I’m gonna have to come in right at the same as Jay, this movie is easily a 9.5 to me, and there isn’t much more that I could explain that hasn’t been touched already. I will admit I listened to the spoiler section of the review just because I’m like that, if a spoiler is in front of me I just don’t have the will power to not listen or read. My wife however was completely oblivious to this movie as she rarely watches trailers anymore and hadn’t even heard of the film until I suggested we check it out, and I kept tight lipped about anything I knew. Seeing her reaction to the big reveal was pretty great, however going into it knowing of the brain swap aspect made the party scene a completely different viewing experience. As my wife had the “wtf is going on” look, I was able to appreciate the scene as the party goers feeling him out for the eventual bingo game.

    • ********SPOILERS FOR GET OUT*********

      I haven’t seen this film a second time yet but I’ll definitely buy it when it’s available. I think knowing that the characters have been taken over and are in the sunken place might make this film even scarier on a second watch (or if you’ve been spoiled). The first time watching, I knew they were acting weird and something was up but I didn’t know how messed up the situation really was.

      • Get out is one of those movies that you just need to rewatch. I convinced my dad to take me two days in a row. Hope you love it Dark Mark.

  18. Hello, again. My god, by the time I get to your podcast, it’s been 2 weeks and you already have 80+ comments. What a community!

    I wanted to talk a little bit about why Cure For Wellness might not have done well right out of the gate and Get Out did so well. Keep in mind, Wolfman, that word of mouth is first, fast (doesn’t take a week anymore) and also starts quite early in the process. The film doesn’t have to come out in order for word of mouth to take hold.

    I worked in a movie theatre for almost 20 years, and you could tell a film was going to work — or not going to work — weeks before it came out. Part of it was, of course the poster and the ads and etc. But an important part was also whether or not the idea was simple and “worked” for everyone who passed it online or in the movie poster case. Example of Get out is a great example. As soon as the film started being promoted, we all “got it.” A horror movie in which the white people are the “monsters” instantly was recognizable as a good idea and also a great twist on what might otherwise be some kind of Blumhouse home-invasion film. Plus, when you add “Jordan Peele” to the explanation, 90% of the people said “I’m in.”

    Compare that to “A Cure For Wellness” which has a great poster and trailer but the idea, some sense of sanitarium, some weirdness that looks like either a Crimson Peak rip-off or a bad Metallica video, and you had people saying “Hmm, that looks interesting, I wonder what it’s about.” You even said people would tweet you going “Hey, this looks like a horror film but it’s not, right?” Any kind of confusion in the audience there nearly kills it before it’s even been released.

    A 3rd aspect that can not be denied is “inside” info coming from press screenings and industry channels. Often not directly (I mean, how many people read Variety?) but the general sense an audience gets based on how they’re selling a film, what they’re telling you about it, and sometimes what they’re not telling you about it. You can often figure out the studio is nervous about a film by the amount of money the spend on it, and whether or not they’re willing to show you the cool scenes in the trailer, or for some reason being too cagey.

    Another example from my old days at the theatre.At about the same time, both Snakes On a Plane and Borat were to be released. And while Snakes had a lot of hype in the fan press, mostly because of the silly/fantastic idea and the story of how they crowd-sourced the famous line Mr. Jackson said (“…these m.f.ing snakes on this m.f.ing plane”), there were no studio screenings and any kind of word that it was indeed going to be worth more than a single drunken Friday night hoot you’d forget by the next Monday Morning. And yet the sense that Borat was something “special” was clear weeks before it came out. Screenings had been booked and people started to talk about it (“I saw the most amazing film”) before the posters had been shipped to theatres. The hype, buzz, word-of-mouth, whatever you want to call it, was from people who had actually seen the film (unlike SoaP) and had that much more power and authenticity.

    So by the time a film opens on Friday morning, I’d guess 50% of the audience has already made their decision based on what they’ve heard or what they think is wrong with it, before they’ve even read a review or heard from their friends about it. And if it turns out a film is really really good, it’s often impossible for a film with a bad idea, or no pre-buzz, to really break out and end up being a big hit.

    This is just my long-winded explanation that I don’t think word-of-mouth killed Cure For Wellness. I think the title (huh? what’s that mean?) and the idea (gothic hospital surrealism?) prevented it from planting itself in the audience’s mind, and no matter how good it might have been, it was probably doomed.

    Poor Gore Verbinski. I also liked Lone Ranger quite a lot, but the pre-release troubles damned it to the category of expensive studio bombs before it had a chance.

    Keep up the good work, guys. I always moan when I see you have a new 4 hour episode up but I end up listening all the way through anyway.

    Cheers, Roger

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