Horror Movie Podcast Ep. 118: Alien: Covenant (2017) and Raw (2017) and Zombie Holocaust (1980) and The Blackcoat’s Daughter (2017)

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This is HORROR MOVIE PODCAST Episode 118, another Frankensteinian episode where Jay of the Dead, Dr. Shock and Wolfman Josh bring you horror reviews of films both old and new like Raw (2017) and Zombie Holocaust (1980). The Wolf also brings you a review of the long-awaited The Blackcoat’s Daughter (2017) in his specialty segment “Screaming Online,” about horror films that are free to stream. And the main event is Jay’s feature review of the much-anticipated Ridley Scott sci-fi/horror prequel, Alien: Covenant (2017). Join us or be chest-bursted…

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I. Introduction
— The Dark Universe and the Universal Monsters Cast
— MPN Special Features: THE ANATOMY OF A KILL horror BONUS! Visit Movie Podcast.Network to find our Patreon page so you can subscribe and receive “The Anatomy of a Kill” on June 1, 2017.

[ 0:11:52 ] II. Feature Review: RAW (2017)
Wolfman Josh = 7.5 ( Rental )

Wolfman Josh = 8 ( Rental )

[ 0:33:35 ] IV. Blu-ray Reviews: Get Out and Split

[ 0:40:59 ] V. A Few Crumbs Regarding “Halloween” (2018)

[ 0:51:31 ] VI. Review: MONSTER DOG (1984)
Dr. Shock = 5 ( Low-priority Rental )

[ 1:04:42 ] VII. Review: SS HELL CAMP (1977) (aka “The Beast in Heat”)
Dr. Shock = 3.5 ( Avoid )

[ 1:18:00 ] VIII. Review: WHITE SLAVE (1985)
Dr. Shock = 5 ( Low-priority Rental )

[ 1:25:29 ] IX. Review: ZOMBIE HOLOCAUST (1980)
Dr. Shock = 5.5 ( Rental )

[ 1:35:30 ] X. Feature Review: ALIEN: COVENANT (2017)
Jay of the Dead = 8.5 ( Must-See in Theaters / Buy it! ) – but be sure to watch “Prometheus” (2012) first!

XI. Wrap-Up / Plugs / Ending
— Jay of the Dead’s Get-Well Wishes and Gifts from the HMP Community:
— Justin Wallace
— Armored Foe
Catch up with Armored Foe: Follow on Instagram: @ArmoredFoe and Armored Foe’s Etsy Shop (where you can buy the stickers Jay talks about, and learn an important distinction: The Jason Voorhees sticker that I love so much is technically “Roy Impostor Jason” — My apologies).
— Adam Michaels in Chicago
— Brian S.

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86 thoughts on “Horror Movie Podcast Ep. 118: Alien: Covenant (2017) and Raw (2017) and Zombie Holocaust (1980) and The Blackcoat’s Daughter (2017)

  1. It’s not often I’ve seen any of the new releases you guys are covering when the episode comes out, but I saw The Blackcoat’s Daughter in the theater a few months ago, and I’m catching Raw on VOD tonight. I might even check out Alien: Covenant this week too if Jay goes full Jurassic World on us and recommends it highly.

    It turns out The Blackcoat’s Daughter was shot about 20 minutes away from my city, so a lot of the crew and a few cast members were at the screening I saw in April for a Q&A. It wasn’t advertised that way, and I had no idea the movie had been shot in Canada, so that was a pretty neat surprise. It was a similar experience to the screening of The Editor I saw at the same independent theater.

    I had just moved across the province from my small hometown of 15 000 to Ottawa for my first year at university, and my friend who is also from the same hometown and I decided to go see a movie on a whim. He had lived in Ottawa for two years at that point, so he was familiar with this small theater, but I had only been in the city for a week or two so I was still feeling pretty homesick. We walked to the theater, looked at the posters of the three movies that were playing that day, and decided this movie called The Editor was as good a choice as any, since we hadn’t heard of any of the films that were playing.

    So we sat through about half an hour of faux-giallo kitsch, laughing and enjoying ourselves. I was pretty much in awe, since the theater back home only ever showed blockbusters, sometimes screening them for a month or two before switching it out for a new one. I kind of got it in my head that all theaters were exclusively meant to show Hollywood movies with massive budgets and wide appeal. As I was coming to terms with this and settling into this totally new experience, a new scene began on screen and I realized immediately that I recognized the brick wall the two characters were standing in front of.

    Without pausing to think about why I recognized the wall, I leaned over to my friend and said, “Hey, it’s Lakewood.” (Lakewood was our elementary school that I lived across the street from all my life. I had spent the previous summer taking my dog to the now closed down school every night where I would listen to shit like American Football and reflect on my fleeting adolescence). My friend, who also grown up only a street over from me, kind of laughed and said, “Yeah, right.”

    The shot that followed was a bit wider, showing more of the building, and at that it hit both of us that this was in fact Lakewood, and that this absurd film had been shot in our hometown — where the local newspaper’s front page story every week was something like, “Middle school basketball team plays a basketball game.” How had we never heard of this? And how had I taken a Greyhound bus thirty-hours from home only to be presented with such an explicit reminder of not only home, but the building that I would consider most representative of my entire childhood?

    The climactic car chase through the two streets that make up the city’s downtown (a one minute walk from my house) was the exclamation point to one of the most surreal experiences of my life — though, because of the film’s content, it’s likely the experience would have been quite surreal regardless of the connection I had to its location.

    After these two screenings, I’m pretty much convinced that the theater is enchanted or something. I’m writing this from the house I grew up in — I’m home for the summer — and as much as I’m enjoying my time here, I’m looking forward to returning to Ottawa and seeing what that theater has in store for me next.

    That being said, I’m looking forward to walking my dog across the street to Lakewood School tonight and listening to this episode even more. (HMP is way better than sad, emo math rock). Cheers, guys.

  2. I watched Raw tonight and just listened to Wolfman’s review and I thought I’d throw down some thoughts while they’re still fresh.

    This wasn’t a horror film to me, at least not in the way I was expecting. From the reports of fainting and the reviews I had skimmed over the past few months, I was expecting a lot of
    horror, and for the extravagance of that to be the focus, but instead the film offered to me a genuinely considerate look at the dangers of an eating disorder. I don’t want to get into specifics for fear of spoilers, but there were so many small, ostensibly trivial scenes and lines of dialogue that illustrated so accurately how someone can fall into that lifestyle and have it consume them terrifyingly quickly.

    Wolfman, you said that you didn’t feel the sort of universality of the story, and that the body horror elements are what stuck with you, but for me it was the other way around. The scenes of cannibalism were as shocking as they should of been, and they allowed for those images of “body horror”, but it was also such a poignant way to emphasize this troubled girl’s descent into herself. I haven’t seen Eat, or Wetlands, but from what you guys have said, those seem to be what I expected Raw to be: over-the-top, gruesome, and perhaps even bordering on tasteless. Of course, it’s ignorant for me to assume, especially because I was just proven wrong with Raw, but my point is you guys seem to be drawing comparisons based on the body horror elements, whereas I would compare Raw to something like Requiem for a Dream. Both are cautionary tales, and while Raw is a bit less literal in its presentation, it’s just as impactful. The occasional scenes of body horror are so secondary to me that I hesitate to attach the term “horror” to this film at all. I think Jay had the right idea when he asked if this is primarily a drama that is complemented by horror elements.

    My mind is still reeling due to the connection I felt with this film and there’s still a lot I need to digest (ha ha), but my immediate reaction is to say this will likely end up being one of my all-time favourite movies, horror or otherwise. The least I can say is that it’s just as affecting as the reports of fainting suggested — it’s just affecting in a far less visceral way than I expected. A truly beautiful and important film that, at the moment, is a 10/10 to me.

    I’m not sure I’d feel comfortable recommending it to anyone, but I know it’s one I’ll hold personal to me for a long time.

    • I agree with everything you said, Graham. Even though the movie didn’t impact me as much as it did you, I still appreciated it a great deal. As far as the themes or story not being universally appealing, what can be more universal than a coming of age tale? Sure, it’s a very dark and unusual take on it, but that’s what made it so interesting. It’s unlike anything I’ve ever seen before and it was done exceptionally well. The acting, especially from the lead actress, was remarkable. Her performance is probably what has stuck with me the most. My biggest complain was the ending. I didn’t love where it went or how it was presented. But this is most definitely locked in my top 10 of the year. There would have to be exceptional horror in the horizon to knock this baby out, but with top-tier movies like The Devil’s Candy and The Blackcoat’s Daughter and a few other great ones like Get Out, Split, Prevenge, The Girl With All the Gifts, and Alien Covenant already out, it seems almost impossible to imagine Raw outside of the top ten, at least in my list.


  3. I saw RAW last month (in the UK) and I absolutely loved it. It was the kind of horror movie that attacks you on all sides, nothing about the plot and execution was predictable.

    I don’t think I heard Josh praise RAW’s sound design and music, the screening I went to seemed quite loud and the audio definitely added to the film’s impact.

    RAW is a must see / must own 9.5 from me and a future cult classic.

    Sadly I have to disagree with Jay about Alien: Covenant and I’m puzzled by his positive review. As a lifelong Alien fan I have to say that Covenant sucked harder than a facehugger. The film isn’t simply bad, its ridiculous plot actually undermines the sense of mystery in the earlier films.

    Any drama in Covenant is artificially created by the almost comic incompetence of its characters. We see supposedly highly trained colonists propelling the story forwards by accidentally treading on things and slipping over.

    I usually like Katherine Waterson but here she was asked to play an unexceptional Ripley substitute with a boy’s haircut who seemed to spend the entire film crying.

    I spent over £20 to see this disaster, believe me afterwards I felt like crying.

    I’d like to ask Jay what kind of horror movie features an android flute lesson?
    The answer is, a dreadful one.

    My score 2.5, avoid.

    • I can understand your frustration with Alien Covenant, especially considering the changes it has made to the mythology, but I can’t agree with such a low score. It was a fine Alien/Prometheus hybrid, I thought. I know ever since Prometheus, Ridley’s take on the Alien franchise has been very divisive, but I for one have liked the direction he’s taken. That doesn’t mean that I agree with or love every single choice made in Covenant, but overall, it’s a fascinating idea. And look, the sense of mystery and wonder was my favorite thing about Alien (along with pretty much everything from the sound, set, and creature design, to the atmosphere which I still think is unrivaled), but I appreciate that Ridley is at an age where I’m sure his mortality is getting fueling his quest for answers and meaning and I love that. I love that he took a franchise he’s clearly invested in and is using it to ponder and I’m fine with that because he’s already given me Alien, and lets face it, there won’t ever be another one white like it. Covenant is a 9/10 for me and sure, that score is inflated by my love for the franchise.

      • Yes, maybe that ultra low score was an overreaction. I guess as a big fan of the franchise I took exception to Covenant’s revelations regarding the origin of the xenomorph, which I thought were ridiculous.

        Overall I thought, like so many of these stupid reboots and modern sequels, Covenant played out like a highlight reel, shamelessly repurposing much-loved parts of the series, in a cynical effort to draw in and placate fans.

        I think increasingly studio films are becoming bland products rather than well executed stories.

        • I think I would have liked it more if it dealt more with the backstory of “the creators.” I really enjoyed Prometheus and I felt this was disconnected. And, I didn’t think the acting was as good as Prometheus.

    • I liked Prometheus a little more, even though Covenant has more horror. But, I’ll probably rewatch Covenant more because of the cool alien kills.

      Thanks for mentioning that flute scene, Michael. I understand there was a difference between the droid’s ability to create but why was that scene so sexual?

  4. “I just get the feeling that there’s more dong than anything else in this movie” – Dave “Doctor Shock” Becker

    That so needs to be a pull quote on a future dvd release of SS Hell Camp.

  5. Excellent episode, as always.

    As I believe that at least a couple of our hosts are men of faith (I know Jay has stated that his faith is very important to him, and I believe either Josh or Dave has mentioned that they’ve done missionary work in the past), there’s a question I’m hoping you guys will weigh in on.

    In both “Prometheus” and “Covenant,” much of the decision-making is driven by persons of faith (Dr. Shaw in “Prometheus” and Oram in “Covenant). Yet, in both films, decisions made by these persons have resulted in catastrophic consequences for themselves and their crewmates (not to mention, potentially humanity at large).

    Do you feel that Ridley Scott is criticizing the idea of faith (and more acutely, faith in an era of science/technology)? On its surface, it would seem like that is the case. But it is also worth noting that one of the films Scott directed in between “Prometheus” and “Covenant” was “Exodus: Gods and Kings.” Faith plays an enormous role in that film as well, and—while the sacrifices made in that film by Moses and his countrymen are enormous—it seems to end on a much more positive note than the faith-driven characters in the two most recent “Alien” installments.

    • Unfortunately I can’t comment. Maybe when I eventually see this film I’ll have a take. Jay is defintely the most devout of the three HMP hosts. I’d like to here Brain’s take, from The Sci-Fi Podcast, as he’s a man of faith AND a scientist.

    • An interesting idea. I don’t believe Scott’s intention was to make people of faith look like fools or to be critical of faith. In reading an interview with the actor who played Oram the idea was quite different. It was meant to show someone who is complex, at odds with themselves. A man of science and of faith both. And if I remember correctly, his faith has little to do with his decision to go to the planet. So for it to be a criticism of faith would be a stretch, as faith played little to no part in his decision. In fact, his scientific curiosity was a more likely driver.

      It is easy to play into the simple binary narrative that is laid out before us, that Science and Religion are opposing and can never be reconciled. However, this idea is false at it’s very foundation. Science is a way to test the things we see for what we think to be true about them, and when it turns out we were wrong we test again. And again, and again….until we have a slightly better understanding of the world around us. The universe, the planet, the ground, the air, the sky etc…

      Religion asks “where am I from? what is my purpose? where will I go when I die? what is the best use of my time while I am here?” At their most base level, every religion shares those tenants. It is a search for what we cannot see, what we cannot feel, or touch, or smell. Science and Religion are not opposed, they are two different methods of doing a very similar thing. To use a cliche, they are two sides of the same coin.

      Now, is that how they are used? Is that how mankind has put religions and science to work? No. We all suffer from the same illness, “If only people would do things the way I think they should, the world would be a better place.” The unfortunate side affect of this disease is that these disciplines of searching for truth (BOTH OF THEM) have first become tools to that end, and then weapons.

      As a human who is both a scientist and religious, I see no difference. Perhaps that is because I am not looking at science and looking at religion. In effect I am science, and I am religion. I house both ideas, both philosophies, and both sets of principles. And I find nothing at odds with the two. Another possibility is that I am simply an outlier. A sociopath, with a dysfunctional set of DNA to cause my mind to hold two seemingly contradictory ideas while believing fully in both.
      The unfortunate nature of humans is to try to keep things the same as long as possible.

      But tradition is the enemy of progress. Religion is us asking where are we from and why, it was almost like the first science. At the time of its inception the tools we had to find the answers were rudimentary and crude. And so our knowledge was rudimentary and crude. Our habit to hang on to tradition drove these ideas into a worshiped state. So much so that when people started to create better tools and better methods of divining our true nature, they were driven out and sometimes persecuted. This was not religion that acted this way, it was people, using religion as a weapon, to hold on to tradition. And so the ideas that differed from the established religion became separated, secularized, and called something new. “Let the traditionalists have their beliefs, and we will set a new course.” And the two diverged and have been misused and mistreated ever since.
      Science and Religion are not actually two sides of the same coin. They are a brother and a sister born from the same parents, those parents being mankind’s desire to know itself, and to know the world around it.

      I think Scott is trying to address an idea similar to this in his new films. The inner turmoil of fighting siblings in the mind of a man, or woman shows true humanity. Perhaps by the end a character will recognize that as the parent of these two ideas, any person has the ability to reconcile both of them to find an absolute truth, and find that the two can actually compliment one another. It would be sad to lose half of our humanity by choosing only one of the two to rule our lives.

  6. I’ll be honest, I’m chomping at the bit for another in-depth themed episode but this Frankensteinian offering was too good to complain about. I love when we get a good clutch of 70’s/80’s sleazy trash from Doc and I thought the discussion about the Nazisploitation genre was fascinating. Those movies seem to push the boundaries of taste to the point of becoming some kind of shock-value art-form. And there could be something in Jay’s theory that such films might represent a way of processing societal guilt; keep in mind that Italy was a prominent member of AXIS in WWII. Ultimately though, it probably is just shameless exploitation.

  7. Just finished the episode. Can’t wait to reply later. I’ve been MIA for the past 4 episodes.

  8. I haven’t seen Raw yet but it’s on my watch list. I’m actually vegan and am wondering if there is any commentary on consumption and gluttony. I’m not too much into body horror so I hope it’s not too gory. Thanks for the review.

    Blackciats Daughter. Ok, this will definitely be in my top ten, probably top 3. This movie just really resonated with me. I saw it four months ago and I still think about it and it creeps me out. This is how you do a slow burn. I feel like the entire movie built up a sense of dread. And I disagree with you josh about not everybody liking this. I thought this was the scariest movie I’ve seen in a long time. And I also like how not everything was spoon fed to you. I think they “basic” horror fans are just that…”basic” solely relying on jump scares and boobs.

  9. It seems like I will love raw but, I can’t find it anywhere. Where did you guys find it.
    Also, have you discussed your favorite kills? If not, you should.

  10. I’ve got a decent VOD recommendation: The Dark Song.

    I went into this movie not knowing a thing about it. Very basic plot- A woman hires a man to help her perform rituals that will grant her a wish if done correctly. It is definitely an indie slow burn which revolves around the main characters and their dialogue and interactions more than anything else. This movie had me guessing the entire time. I was back-and-forth on what I thought was the truth. I think that alone is why I am recommending it. And, the ending was totally creepy. There is one sequence that had me actually uneasy. There is one kind of cheesy part at the end but I looked past that. Overall I give it a 7

    Anyone else seen anything good?

        • Do you have a Letterboxd? These guys ( Dino, Juan, Jody, Mark, Sal, etc ) finally convinced me to start an account and I’m been trying to log everything I watch since about February.

          • I should make one because I watch at least 10 movies a week, 1/2 horror, 1/2 indie, drama, romance. How do I connect with other HMP peeps on there?

            Have you seen Bokeh or Aloys yet? Both I think you will enjoy. I know you liked upstream color and digging for fire so this is why I recommend.

    • I actually just noticed that A Dark Song is on my watch list. I don’t know when or where I heard of it, but I guess I was interested at some point. Supernatural horror is not one of my preferred sub genres, though. Indie horror slow burns are pretty great theee days, though. I should check it out?

      • Yes, definitely. I’m a bug slow burn horror fan. I also prefer indie horror that centers around the characters interactions with each other…Trash Fire, Always Shine. Don’t hate me if you don’t like it. I’ve been told my tastes are a little all-over-the-place. Let me know what you think!

        • I actually had Trash Fire on my list too, and saw your post on the top 10 of 2016 show the other day where you said you were a big fan, so I was planning to watch that one too. I’ll watch them both and get back to

          • Well, here I am to say both were very great recommendations. Trash Fire was pretty hilarious at times, and I was amazed that the character work brought me to such extreme feelings – especially in the case of the main character, who I disdained in the first half and loved in the second half. I thought those feelings were very intentionally provoked, but he still didn’t feel like a caricature on either end. The very ending, however, seemed to try to provoke extreme feelings without it feeling earned. Still, I had a great time.

            When it comes to A Dark Song, I was surprised at how much it did for me. Horror films that deal with rituals or the occult, or just supernatural stuff in general, typically don’t resonate with me very much, but this one ended up dealing with themes much bigger than the devices used to present those themes. In this case, I really liked the last twenty minutes and thought it capitalized on everything that had been established prior

          • Glad you liked Dark Song. I have a feeling that will be popping up in conversation soon, or I hope so. There is so much to discuss there. I agree with the multiple themes. Do you have any recs for me. I have seen soooo much so it’s rare to find anything good anymore that I have’t seen.

    • This one is on Netflix and it’s Housebound (2014.) I don’t think they’ve discussed it on the podcast and it’s pretty good. It’s about a woman who thinks her house is haunted but, she’s under house arrest. It started off solid horror and turned out to be more of a comedy horror. The comedy and horror mixture was done really well and I’d give it a 7.

      • I just cannot get into comedy horror. I have tried and I can’t make it through an entire movie. Maybe I don’t like to laugh.

        • Really? That’s very interesting. Do you regular comedy? And at what level of comedy do you tune out when it comes to horror comedy. Is it just the really whacky stuff, or do you even dislike wry wit? Let’s dig in here, PV. Give me some ratings.

          Satirical horror comedy like Shaun of the Dead?

          Meta horror with a self-aware comedic edge like Scream?

          Over the top wacky comedy with gross out horror like Dead Alive?

          Comedy with some horror tension and monsters like Tremors?

          Twisted dark comedy in a horror scenario like Sightseers?

          What are we talking here?

          • Satirical horror comedy like Shaun of the Dead?
            I cannot watch 5 minutes of that movie.

            Meta horror with a self-aware comedic edge like Scream?
            I liked it when I was in high school.

            Over the top wacky comedy with gross out horror like Dead Alive?
            I can do this but don’t seek it out.

            Comedy with some horror tension and monsters like Tremors?
            I like watching these movies with my nieces but don’t seek them out.

            Twisted dark comedy in a horror scenario like Sightseers?
            Hmmmm, haven’t seen this one.

            What are we talking here?

            Basically I am not into regular comedy either. I can’t remember the last comedy I watched. I did however love I do not feel at home in this world anymore. That comedy I can dig, and it also had some over-the-top gore. I guess I also kind of liked Night of the Creeps. But that was way back when I was a young gal! Ava’s Posession had some comedy aspects and I did like that movie. I guess I am more of a doom and gloom kind of girl. Trash Fire also had a comedic element to it and I loved that movie. Maybe you can give me some more recs.

      • They have reviewed it on the show in episode 36 which was actually a great episode. I loved their takes on The Babadook.

        • Glad you liked our Babadook discussion. That is one of my all time favorites. Especially how real it gets with Jay.

          I love Housebound. It’s a film that has grown on me more and more over time.

    • I watched A Dark Song last night and loved it! The music might have been my favorite part. Can’t figure out why it’s called A Dark Song though.

      And yea, projectile varmit, join Letterboxd! One of us, one of us…

  11. Solid episode fellas.
    I caught up with RAW and Blackcoat’s Daughter just prior to listening to the episode. Great timing on my part. Both stellar films, but RAW was phenomenal. A slow methodical film with payout. Yes, I did get grossed out briefly, but otherwise nothing too shocking.
    Blackcoats Daughter is another entry to a strong horror year and with it streaming on Prime makes it accessible to the masses. This film had me guessing to the very end and it wasn’t even that kind of film.
    Of course the grindhouse films Dr. Shock presented cross my path often and yet continue to elude me.
    I’ve been horribly absent from the theater, but hope that changes soon.
    Keep up the amazing podcast.

  12. EAT is available on Amazon Prime.
    I’m tempted, yet, I don’t know if I can stomach another film with this subject matter.
    I’m still trying to digest RAW.

  13. Sorry that this is so unrelated but, in English class we had to write a letter to the incoming sixth graders about things we wish we would have known coming into sixth grade. The first half of my letter was pretty much what we were supposed to do. The second half was me just listing movies they should watch and telling them to go to horrormoviepodcast.com. Then I realized that someone was actually going to read that and that my name was on it. I smiled. I also happened to get an A+.

  14. I was looking at RAW on Rotten Tomatoes and it has a 10% higher rating than The Shawshank Redemption.

  15. Hello HMP.

    I’m reaching out to the message boards with a bit of unrelated business. I am currently reading Stephen King’s “Gerald’s Game”, and I saw that it has an IMDB profile with an adaptation set to release in 2017. Mike Flanagan is writing/directing, which is phenomenal news. And to sweeten the pot, Carla Gugino will be playing Jessie Burlingame. I can hardly finish counting my lucky stars.

    The trouble is, I’ve heard little to no promotional talk about this film, and I’m wondering if it will get the theater treatment or ship straight to video/DVD/streaming/whatever the hell we call it these days.

    Hosts, have you discussed the upcoming release of Gerald’s Game yet? I’m an avid listener, and it’s possible it has come up within the several Mike Flanagan film conversations of late. However, I can’t point to a specific episode.

    I know this isn’t Horror Book Podcast, but if any King fans haven’t made their way to Gerald’s Game yet, I would advise you to do so. I have read the majority of his work, and nothing of his has unsettled me quite like this novel. It is upsetting on a level I can’t go into without revealing too much, but I can truly say that it is the only book I have ever had to put down because I thought I was going to pass out while reading it. For those of you who have read it, I’m sure you know the scene I’m referring to.

    The book really “goes there” in terms of horror, and I’m oh-so-curious to see how far the film will go. The story is not for the faint of heart or stomach, but it is certainly worth a read before the film comes out. But like I said; read this one with a friend, or a person nearby to catch your fainting head before it hits the pavement.

    • It was produced by Netflix and has been completed (at least a rough cut) since at least February when King saw it. It’s scheduled to hit Netflix before the end of the year.

      I’ve liked all of Mike Flanagan’s film just fine, and he’s definitely a talented guy, but I haven’t loved any of his movies. That being said, Gerald’s Game is one of my most anticipated of the year. I’ve thought for over a decade that, if King was race enough to write that book, there’s got to be someone brave enough to bring it do the big screen, and after Hush, I can’t say that Flanagan isn’t brave. I’m not familiar with the lead actress, but it’s going to be a fascinating watch. I’m confident in the tension that’s bound to be created with the bedroom stuff, but I’m really hoping Jessie’s backstory underlies all that tension, as it did in the book, and I really hope they go for it in the third act. You know, the big reveal. It’ll be so tough to do, and I think I’ll like the movie if it just sticks to the PG-13 stuff, but the heavier scenes could really make this movie stand out even further.

      • Sorry, I meant to say if King was *brave* enough to write that story. I too tend to HMP while I’m on the go

        • And the Haunted Marshmallow saved the day, as they say! Thank you Graham for the details. I will be eagerly awaiting its arrival in my queue. For Carla Gugino, check the Spy Kids series, Watchmen, and San Andreas for her more famous roles. However, none are horror, except maybe for Spy Kids. (Some of the characters in that film came from a special kind of deranged imagination.)

          • I looked her up (something I should have done before I said o was unfamiliar with her) and wow, she was the Silk Spectre! What a honey. I remember thinking her and Patrick Wilson embodied the roles I imagined from reading the comic the best, but it’s been a few years since I’ve seen it.

            It’s been more than a few years since I’ve seen any of the Spy Kids movies (including the fourth in theater…) but I’d absolutely call the first one a horror movie — those walking thumbs have haunted my memories for over a decade.

    • Thanks for the question, King Ghidorah, and for the response, Haunted Marshmallow.

      One thing I can add is that we are doing a Stephen King episode very soon, something akin to what we did with our HP Lovecraft 101. So look forward to that!

      Maybe we should wait for the release of Gerald’s Game.

  16. Nice call on that Percy Shelley poem in Covenant, Jay! Of course, he’s Mary Shelley’s wife who wrote Frankenstein or also titled The Modern Prometheus. See that cool Frankenstein connection with these last two Alien films. It’s all creator/creation stuff.

  17. Another great episode. I love these Frankenstein episode where they are not as rigid thematically. You never know where the hosts will take you. I had not heard of The Blackcoat’s Daughter and look forward to seeing it. I was also happy The Beast in Heat, as I have always known it, was reviewed. I was surprised Dr. Shock did not mention it was on the video nasty list. While not a great film, I will never forget the “beast” grabbing a handful of pubic hair. Cinematic gold, lol. A future show idea could be each host chooses 2 of their favourite video nasty films and review them. Usually not great films, but definitely fun. Finally, I just read this article about the troubles in Tobe Hooper’s life and thought everyone would like to know about this and show the need to make aware the problem of domestic violence http://ihorror.com/tobe-hooper-viciously-beaten/. Have a good day all and I look forward to the next episode.

    • Thanks for the Tobe Hooper article.

      Glad to hear that you like the Frankenstienian episodes, even though I don’t. Seems we have listeners on both sides of the fence, so we’ll just keep doing what we’re doing.

      A think a Video Nasties themed episode is defintely something worth looking at. Need to bring in a solid British podcaster as a guest for that.

  18. Wolfman,
    I sent an email Jay to get some of your info. I know you are all over these message boards, so I thought this might be the fastest way to reach out to you. Don’t know if you guys share the hmp email account, but if you do, check the email I sent. I’d like to send you something.

    Mr. Barlow

  19. Like The Witch last year, apparently I’ve been too hard, by our community’s standard, on The Blackcoat’s Daughter and Raw by not universally praising them, despite enjoying and recommending both. :)

    I will give both another watch before making my lost at the end of the year, but I do think the originality of the films is being overblown.

    On Twitter, Juan said:

    “I feel like I’ve never seen anything like Raw or Blackcoat’s Daughter. Themes and subject matter, sure, but their treatment was very unique, I thought.”

    And Dino said on Twitter:

    “I don’t know that I’ve seen a coming of age tale with cannibalism as the manifestation of sexual and social awakenings.”

    Maybe not exactly, but isn’t it a pretty common female monster trope to mix or confuse sex and death, whether intentionally or unintentionally. I’d suggest that the film Teeth, which I referenced in my review, has a very similar arc to Raw. But just as recently with The Lure and Siren on the previous HMP episode, we were dealing with these loveable lady killers who fit many of the same tropes.

  20. I just watched Raw and wanted to write down my thoughts while they are fresh. To start, I thought the movie was shot beautifully. It had a certain fresh feel to it, and it had a sense of the college experience (I really miss those days!). I did get that Animal House feel but kicked up a notch, lol. I thought it was well acted, and there was a subtlety to the characters that few movies in the genre reach. Here is where my dilemma lies. I hesitate to call this a horror. Yes, there are horrific elements, disturbing subject matter and gore scenes, but there are not many of the tropes of a traditional horror. You never get the feel that any of the characters are in peril or that anything supernatural would occur. At times it felt more like a movie about the hardships of college or a building of a torn relationship between sisters. Dark, for sure, but not necessarily horror. I find a movie such as Silence of the Lambs, which is much debated, more of a horror than this film. I also found the movie dragged in the middle, and was only redeemed in the last 15 minutes. I would say this will become a cult movie and find an audience much like Cronenberg’s Crash became. In my opinion it is a must see rental but not a buy.
    I also wanted to mention I watched a 2017 release, Seven Witches, last night. It was lower budget, was slow to build, and had adequate acting, but had a certain creepiness to it, was dark, and had a last 15 minutes that made the film at least interesting. Those in to modern witch movies, or someone looking to watch with no expectations might enjoy. Is a low priority rental but you could do worse.

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